There is no doubt that Larry Johnson was the second-best running back behind LaDainian Tomlinson over the last two seasons. Johnson isn't in training camp with Kansas City because he wants to be paid like Tomlinson and wants his $1.7 million base contract torn up. The Chiefs will give him a raise, maybe, but they will never give him the $28 million in guarantees that Tomlinson received.

I don't see how Johnson's holdout - apparently he listens a lot to his mother - comes to a satisfactory conclusion because Chiefs President Carl Peterson is pretty stubborn and firmly believes that no other team would give Johnson that kind of bonus money, either.

The Chiefs might go halfway with L.J., but there are reports that Coach Herm Edwards wouldn't mind trading him, believing the holdout distraction is not worth the aggravation. And if Johnson waits until the 10th game in order to get credit for this season, you can bet that next year the Chiefs will slap the franchise tag on him if they negotiate a fair contract.

Translation: he may never receive what he thinks he deserves out of the Chiefs.

No one knows whether Priest Holmes can really replace Johnson until he plays in a preseason game and displays his old magic. The Chiefs are taking a very hard-line stance on Johnson, and without him it won't matter who the starting quarterback is. KC won't win.

Packer prediction

The Packers were the 11th team I've seen this summer and I must say that their starting cornerbacks, Al Harris and Charles Woodson, may be the two most engaging players on the same team that I've met in a long time. Both veterans are great talkers and know the game. Both also played at a very high level last season, even though Woodson was hurt in 10 of his 16 starts. Another thing, they like small town Green Bay and their fans.

White or black, "we're all in the same boat," Harris said. "There aren't a lot of things to do. But our fans love their Packers and they love football. They are better fans than those in Philadelphia. I mean some of their fans rented a bus simply to go boo Donovan McNabb on one of his biggest days of his life when he was drafted in the first round."

But Harris made a bold statement to me. Harris said second-year safety Atari Bigby reminds him of Brian Dawkins, the Eagles' All-Pro. Harris thinks Bigby, who is working on the second team right now, can be that good.

"I really like him, too," Woodson said of Bigby. "Keep an eye on him. You'll see what we like when the (game) lights come on."

Bears won't deal Orton

Kyle Orton, who won 10 games as a rookie quarterback, is now third on the depth chart behind Rex Grossman and Brian Griese. And he's a quarterback that the Falcons are keeping an eye on just in case Joey Harrington busts out. But the word in Chicago is that Orton isn't available at any price. "If we wanted to do something like that, we never would have allowed J.T. O'Sullivan to end up in Detroit," said one Chicago insider.

We all know that Chicago has never had the greatest quarterback situation, but the front office likes these three players and won't make a deal with the team on a Super Bowl mission. Another thing to consider is that Rex Grossman is in the final year of his contract.

Bucs to collect?

Tampa Bay has filed its grievance against quarterback Jake Plummer to recoup $7 million in signing bonus money that the Broncos paid him. It is an odd situation, but the Bucs technically view Plummer as a holdout because they did trade a seventh-round pick to Denver for his rights. And when team acquires a player's rights, they technically are obligated to the terms of that player's contract. This is why it's the Bucs, not the Broncos, seeking the money.

The Bucs believe they will eventually get the money from Plummer, who claims he's retired. Remember, if Plummer would actually change his mind and play for the Bucs, they owe Denver a fourth-round pick.

Bulletin board stuff

Todd Monken developed a few NFL receivers while coaching at LSU and now he's a first-year assistant for Jack Del Rio in Jacksonville. He really likes Mike Walker, a third-round pick out of Central Florida. The Jags play the Saints this season and Monken started to make some comparisons.

"When Joe Horn went down, the Saints had (Devery) Henderson. What was that other guy's name? Colston, Goldston (rookie Marques Colston). You can't tell me Mike Walker is not as good as that guy Goldston or Colston. And they had a good quarterback and had explosive guys and just put them in the right spots to make it work. Why can't we do that?''

Colston, a seventh-round pick last year, is billed as the Saints' No. 1 receiver. Meanwhile, the Jaguars former first-round picks at the position - Matt Jones and Reggie Williams - continue to struggle. Jones has another sore hamstring while Williams is listed as third team on the depth chart.

"It is what it is. Guys take reps based on where they're at. If they (Williams and Jones) can't figure (it) out, you can't paint more of a vivid picture,'' Monken said. "It's time for Reggie and Matt to do it. If not now, when?''

Every kid's favorite

Hats off to Tennessee quarterback Vince Young, who takes plenty of time to sign autographs after practices. But what was really impressive was when it was Young's official team day to sign, hundreds of kids showed.

Young signed for everyone, spending more than an hour.