I would first like to thank all of you out there who posted
comments. It's always nice to see so many people passionate about a topic, and
from all the feeback I've gotten, it's certain that this is a subject that is
near and dear to many hearts. With that said, it's time to answer some of the
emails and comments...
Mailbag
Gene in fl - Hank signs checks on the 1st & 15th of
every month totalling over $17M for these underachievers. He has every right to
speak his mind. I'm a Yankee fan who wanted Johan. Tell me what Hughes has
shown in now 17 starts that gives any indication he could even remotely
approach Santana? Ditto Kennedy.
Gene, there are a couple of things I'd like to point out in
regards to the Santana deal. Many of the problems over the past 5-7 years for
the Yankees have stemmed from them thinking short-term as opposed to long-term.
With this trade however, it would have affected them in both ways.
Let's say for instance that they make the deal, who plays
center field this year? Johnny Damon? Do you really feel comfortable having
Damon play center for 162 games? I know every other team in the league would, but not the Yankees. Damon was
never a good defensive center fielder to begin with (that's why signing him to
a four year deal when you already had several other DH's was a problem), and
teams started taking advantage of his arm far too often. So if you trade Melky Cabrera, Phil Hughes,
and Ian Kennedy for Santana, who do you plug into the other slots? The Yankees
would've been a worse team this year, and in the future, had they made the
deal.
Now in regards to Santana, people point to his age, 29, and
say he's not your typical stud pitcher to hit the market. Well, I understand
he's young, however he's already had the burden of being a true ace in the game
for four years, and if you look at the real aces in baseball over the last
15-20 years, their run of dominance does not last much more than 5-7. Take a
look:
Pedro Martinez -
Pedro's run from 1997-2003 was arguably the greatest a pitcher has had since
Sandy Koufax, yet if you add up those years, that's a span of seven. What did
Pedro win in those seven years? Three Cy Young Awards and nothing else. His
World Series ring came after his run had ended.
Randy Johnson -
Johnson's run was 8-10 years, but how many pitchers come along that are 6'10
and can throw like him? Furthermore, during his run he won 5 Cy Young Awards
but only one World Series, and that was when he joined forces with Curt
Schilling, and was forced to close out Game 7 in order to get the victory.
John Smoltz - Had
his run divided by injuries and a move to the bullpen. He won one CY Young and
one World Series title.
Greg Maddux -
Statistically he's an anomoly as his run lasted roughly 14 years, however while
he has been great in the regular season, he was never a pitcher I would want on
the mound come postseason. And I'm sorry to say this, but if you're an "ace,"
you better exude that confidence in a must-win game. During Maddux's run he won
four CY Young's, and one World Series championship.
Tom Glavine -
Glavine had a run of seven years with a couple of others coming intermittently
later. He won two CY Young's and one World Series title. Oh, and by the way,
the Braves had all of three of these "aces" on one team, and still won only one
title!!! You know why? NO BULLPEN!!!
Roger Clemens - Clemens
had a run of seven years, and then some other good years dispersed later in his
career, but I guess that's all in question now, eh?
What it comes down to is that while reputation may last longer, true dominance on the mound does not.
And that's the reason it would have been even more short-sighted for the
Yankees to make the deal for Santana. Sure, he may have given them a good year,
but I believe he's on the decline now, and will only get worse over the next
couple of years. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, I'm
just saying he's not going to be an "ace" for the duration, or even half of
that contract they would've had to give him.
And one more thing, don't be misled by the numbers he puts
up with the Mets. By going to the NL, Santana could add another three years to
his run as he's taking advantage of a crummy league.
Zdeane343 - you really have no clue what you're talking
about when it comes to red sox.
(1)Theo Epstein quit before the Red Sox traded for Josh Beckett! He did not
want the trade, did not agree with it, and did not support it, he loved hanley.
(2) Jacoby ellsbury played in 35games in low a baseball in 2005, so don't tell
me Epstein knew he was a star and that's why he didnt pay Damon.
Yankees and the red
sox have the same team. Both have an ace, a #2 pitcher, a veteran and two kids.
Both have good setup man-closer combo. Both teams have speed and power. and
both teams have health concerns, whichever team stays healthy wins.
Ellsbury is one of
the most overrrated players. all of the scouts says hes johnny damon with less
power. and pitchers have already adapted to him, they know he cant hit inside
fastballs.
Zdeane343, you are correct in that Theo Epstein did not make the trade for Josh
Beckett, thank you for pointing that out. He did, however, sign him to the
extension, and helped build the rotation around him. As for Ellsbury, the Red
Sox did have high hopes for him despite only playing in 35 games, but more
importantly, saw that signing Damon to a four year deal for as much as the
Yankees did would be a detriment and a burden to their team. Instead they made
the deal for Coco Crisp, yet still knew they had a fallback option in Ellsbury.
With regards to Ellsbury, you make some valid points in
regards to his deficiencies against the inside fastball, however I do not see
him as being overrated. I think it all depends on how you're judging him. Is he
going to be a 25-30 homer guy? No way, but he will hit for average, probably in
the .285-.300 range, get on base a bunch, and steal 50 bases a year. On top of
that, he'll play great defense wherever you put him in the outfield. Is his arm
weak? Yeah, but its light years ahead of Damon's. Frankly, and this is not
meant to be a shot at Damon, but Ellsbury is a far superior natural baseball
player than Damon, and that will only help him throughout his career.
Now in regards to the Yankees and Red Sox being similar, I
couldn't agree with you more. Entering the season the two staffs seemed almost a
wash. Number 1 went to the Red Sox, 2 to the Yankees, and 3-5 totally up in the
air. In the bullpen, I gave the edge to the Yankees with Joba-Mo compared to
Okajima-Papelbon because I wasn't sure Okajima would have the same effect he
had last year. The biggest difference between the teams though is the Red Sox
have Manny and Ortiz, and no matter how you slice it, the Yankees don't have
anything close to that. Those two guys are two of the most clutch performers I
have ever seen, and probably will ever see in my life.
Tommyeagle - Zdean343
Either you have a short memory or no memory at all...or maybe you just don't
have a grip on good baseball sense. Your claim that the only lefty that is a
problem in the lineup is Giambi...you got to be kidding me! What post season
play have you been watching? For the past 4 years the Yankees have been sitting
ducks when it comes to producing late inning runs in any post season
game...that was the trade mark of past championship teams. The Boston Red Sox
realized this so much that they went out of their way to sign Hideki Okajima
for late inning post season relief...he has murdered the Yankee lineup
consistantly.
Cashman has not done
anything during his tenure with the Yankees that says he is an elite GM...the
Yankees can afford his departure. The Yankee lineup is overloaded with aging
lefties who have not performed well in postseason play for years now. The
Yankee outfield and first base defense is weak. The pitching staff is a couple
of years away from championship caliber if all positive expectations play out.
This year the Yankees will struggle to win 85 games.
Tommyeagle, the problem with the Yankees in the postseason
the last 4 years has not been their lefty hitters, rather it's been the lack of
a balanced lineup, and I don't mean lefty-righty balance either. When the
Yankees won their championships they were a versatile hitting team, they could
hit for power, could hit and run, sacrifice bunt, and score with two outs.
Unfortunately, due to George Steinbrenner's love of the home run, they got away
from that balance, and thought they could bludgeon teams to death. Well, in the
regular season you can, but come post-season, sorry, it ain't gonna happen.
It's the same reason that the Detroit Tigers could find
themselves in trouble if they make
the playoffs. While Curtis Granderson and Placido Polanco can play small ball,
Magglio Ordonez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Cabrera, and Carlos Guillen are not
exactly known for that. All-Star teams don't win championships, baseball teams
do.
Now, in regards to Cashman, I completely disagree. Yes, he
has made some bad decisions, signing Kei Igawa (which seemed like a total
reaction move to the Sox getting Dice-K), signing Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano
as opposed to signing Jon Lieber, however he has made smart moves when he was
allowed to do so. Remember, from 2001-2005 he wasn't calling all the shots,
Steinbrenner and the Tampa people were, and I don't think you're giving him
enough credit for keeping the dynasty alive.
Think back to 1998 when Randy Johnson was on the market. The
Yankees were terrified that the Indians would get him, but Cashman was able to
stay in the negotiations long enough where neither he nor Cleveland got him.
Instead he switched leagues and went to the Astros. Brilliant.
In 2000 when Steinbrenner and the fans were calling for Juan
Gonzalez and Sammy Sosa, Cashman made the trade for David Justice. Could there
have been a better fit for that team than Justice?
In the 2000 offseason he went hard after Mike Mussina as
opposed to going hard after Manny Ramirez. While it hasn't worked out the way
New York had hoped, it was absolutely the right move at the time. And honestly,
if I had to do it over again, I would do the same thing.
In the 2003 offseason the Yankees were looking at Curt
Schilling and Javier Vasquez. The Diamondbacks wanted both Alfonso Soriano and
Nick Johnson for Schilling, so Cashman traded Johnson for Vasquez, and then
later in the offseason, he dealt Soriano for Alex Rodriguez. Again, I think
those were two pretty wise moves despite Vasquez not working out the way they
had hoped.
With that said, a HUGE reason why Vasquez didn't work out
was because he was supposed to be in addition to Andy Pettitte, not instead of
Pettitte. But because George Steinbrenner was so fixated on everyone else's
free agents, he never gave Pettitte the respect he deserved, and Pettitte
bolted for Houston. To this day, that was the single biggest mistake the
Yankees have made in the last 25 years (sorry, Mr. Costanza but it makes Jay
Buhner for Ken Phelps look laughable). If the Yankees keep Pettitte there is no
way they lose the ALCS to Boston in `04!
People don't give Cashman nearly enough credit. Let him call
the shots, and the Yankees will once again be on top of the baseball world.
William - This guy looks like he's 12 years old.
William, thanks for the compliment. I only wish I was still
12. That was a good year for me in Little League.
Cowboysnyankees -
Funny thing is that the Yankees are not
in trouble in the future for this team looks a lot brighter with loaded farm
system. No need to win this year they will win at least 5 championships in the
next 10 years.
Cowboysnyankees, I agree that the Yankees future looks a lot
brighter than it has in years. My concern is that if Hank Steinbrenner runs
Brian Cashman out of town, then all of a sudden, all the work Cashman and the
other baseball people have done could go for naught. As for five championships in the next 10
years, well that's a bit much, but I do believe they could win a couple.
Yankeesfan - Clemens,
Pettitte, Cone, El Duque NO 2 starters I think that most people would agree in
the mid nineties any one of these pitchers could have been the ace of a staff.
The Yankees at this point of the season don't have a No 3 starter to go after
Wang and Pettitte. Joba would give them some depth up front and allow the
Yankees to make a move for bullpen help which is much easier to come by.
Yankeesfan, there is no question that any of those pitchers
could have been the ace of a staff, however that doesn't make them an "ace."
There are a lot of number one pitchers out there, as a matter of fact there are
32 of them, but there aren't 32 aces. In my opinion there are five and maybe
seven "aces" in the game today: Josh Beckett, Jake Peavy, Brandon Webb, Johan
Santana, and Roy Halladay. C.C. Sabathia, Justin Verlander and Cole Hamels, have
the stuff, but I need to see more than one dominant year before I consider
someone an "ace."
Thanks again to everyone for their comments, and the
fantastic discussion. Keep the emails coming...