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perfectpatriotsfan]Top 10 Running backs

1. Walter Payton Chicago
2. Jim Brown Clevland
3. Ladainian Tomlinson San Diego
4. Laurence Taylor
5. OJ Simpson
6. Emmitt Smith
7. Terrell Davis
8. Marshall Faulk
9. Adrian Peterson
10. Jerome Bettis

* Please note that some of these may not be acurete and please feel free to correct me.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with Payton over Brown too, but that's just apples and oranges. They both deserve to be in the top 3. When comparing the 2 you must remember that Jim Brown rushed for 12,312 yards in just 110 games. It took Walter somewhere around 135 games to break that record. For his career he averaged 4.4 yards per carry and 88.9 yards a game. Jim Brown averaged 5.2 yards per carry and 104.3 yards a game in his career and retired while still in his prime. If Jim Brown had played as many games as Walter Payton, he would have rushed for over 20,000 yards. It's also too bad that for all of Jim Brown's career, the NFL season was only 12 or 14 games while Payton had the benefit of a 16 game season for 'most' of his career. One final stat: In his 190 games in the NFL, Walter Payton rushed for 110 touchdowns. In his 110 games in the NFL, Jim Brown rushed for 106. That's 4 less touchdowns in 80 fewer games. Payton had 15 receiving touchdowns, Brown had 20...again in 80 fewer games. It was a sad day for the NFL when Jim Brown decided he wanted to be a moviestar.

And Barry Sanders does deserve to be on any list as does a guy named Gale Sayers. BTW, I don't know if I'm having a brain cramp or if you made a mistake, but who is Laurence Taylor? All I can think of is LT, the Giants' linebacker. Maybe Jim Taylor??? Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Larry Csonka, Curtis Martin, Franco Harris, and Tony Dorsett would all be worthy of consideration on any top running back list. It's WAY too soon to be including Adrian Peterson. I'd even take Bo Jackson before him at this point. Someday AP may be near the top of the list, but he's not an all-time top 10 after just one season.

Well Walter Payton also played on a much worse team in the begginning years of his career. Hes also our career leader in receptions. Not for a runningback lol the whole team. He was the offense. And lets leave active players out of it. Gale Sayers redefined the position at the time. And as long as were going guys who may have gotten snuffed on that list, like Barry Sanders, i think that Earl Campbell might be top 10.

I completely agree about Adrian Peterson not deserving placement on the list. I have problems however with A) your logic about Brown over Payton, and B) a couple of your replacements for the LB and for Peterson. First off Barry Sanders. If you watched him play, he had just as many runs for negative yardage than positive, and if he did get positive yards, it was either 2 or 62, there was no middle ground. He was no doubt one of the most explosive backs in history, but he was not one of the greatest. Second Larry Csonka. He played fullback, so statistically, he shouldn't be in consideration for this list. I personally think we should be looking at a guy like Christian Okoye, who absolutely pounded people (hence the nickname "Nigerian Nightmare") and got gobs of yards doing it. He was a very consistent back who played very agressively. And I also think we could look at Red Grange, the 1st hall of famer. He is the one who almost single-handedly put the NFL on the main stage.

Moving onto the arguement about Brown over Payton. You make some very solid arguements, but think about this. Brown wasn't nearly as versatile as Payton, and he played in a period in which teams ran the ball alot more than they did when Payton played. Brown couldn't throw the ball and Brown couldn't block nearly as well as Payton, and playing RB isn't about just running the ball, its also about protection and being able to act. Play-action was crucial in the Bears super bowl win, and Payton was the one doing all of it.

Top 10 Running backs

1. Walter Payton Chicago
2. Jim Brown Clevland
3. Ladainian Tomlinson San Diego
4. Laurence Taylor
5. OJ Simpson
6. Emmitt Smith
7. Terrell Davis
8. Marshall Faulk
9. Adrian Peterson
10. Jerome Bettis

* Please note that some of these may not be acurete and please feel free to correct me.[/quote]
I'd have to respectfully disagree with Payton over Brown too, but that's just apples and oranges. They both deserve to be in the top 3. When comparing the 2 you must remember that Jim Brown rushed for 12,312 yards in just 110 games. It took Walter somewhere around 135 games to break that record. For his career he averaged 4.4 yards per carry and 88.9 yards a game. Jim Brown averaged 5.2 yards per carry and 104.3 yards a game in his career and retired while still in his prime. If Jim Brown had played as many games as Walter Payton, he would have rushed for over 20,000 yards. It's also too bad that for all of Jim Brown's career, the NFL season was only 12 or 14 games while Payton had the benefit of a 16 game season for 'most' of his career. One final stat: In his 190 games in the NFL, Walter Payton rushed for 110 touchdowns. In his 110 games in the NFL, Jim Brown rushed for 106. That's 4 less touchdowns in 80 fewer games. Payton had 15 receiving touchdowns, Brown had 20...again in 80 fewer games. It was a sad day for the NFL when Jim Brown decided he wanted to be a moviestar.

And Barry Sanders does deserve to be on any list as does a guy named Gale Sayers. BTW, I don't know if I'm having a brain cramp or if you made a mistake, but who is Laurence Taylor? All I can think of is LT, the Giants' linebacker. Maybe Jim Taylor??? Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Larry Csonka, Curtis Martin, Franco Harris, and Tony Dorsett would all be worthy of consideration on any top running back list. It's WAY too soon to be including Adrian Peterson. I'd even take Bo Jackson before him at this point. Someday AP may be near the top of the list, but he's not an all-time top 10 after just one season.[/quote]
Well Walter Payton also played on a much worse team in the begginning years of his career. Hes also our career leader in receptions. Not for a runningback lol the whole team. He was the offense. And lets leave active players out of it. Gale Sayers redefined the position at the time. And as long as were going guys who may have gotten snuffed on that list, like Barry Sanders, i think that Earl Campbell might be top 10.[/quote]
I completely agree about Adrian Peterson not deserving placement on the list. I have problems however with A) your logic about Brown over Payton, and B) a couple of your replacements for the LB and for Peterson. First off Barry Sanders. If you watched him play, he had just as many runs for negative yardage than positive, and if he did get positive yards, it was either 2 or 62, there was no middle ground. He was no doubt one of the most explosive backs in history, but he was not one of the greatest. Second Larry Csonka. He played fullback, so statistically, he shouldn't be in consideration for this list. I personally think we should be looking at a guy like Christian Okoye, who absolutely pounded people (hence the nickname "Nigerian Nightmare") and got gobs of yards doing it. He was a very consistent back who played very agressively. And I also think we could look at Red Grange, the 1st hall of famer. He is the one who almost single-handedly put the NFL on the main stage.

Moving onto the arguement about Brown over Payton. You make some very solid arguements, but think about this. Brown wasn't nearly as versatile as Payton, and he played in a period in which teams ran the ball alot more than they did when Payton played. Brown couldn't throw the ball and Brown couldn't block nearly as well as Payton, and playing RB isn't about just running the ball, its also about protection and being able to act. Play-action was crucial in the Bears super bowl win, and Payton was the one doing all of it.

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perfectpatriotsfan]Top 10 Running backs

1. Walter Payton Chicago
2. Jim Brown Clevland
3. Ladainian Tomlinson San Diego
4. Laurence Taylor
5. OJ Simpson
6. Emmitt Smith
7. Terrell Davis
8. Marshall Faulk
9. Adrian Peterson
10. Jerome Bettis

* Please note that some of these may not be acurete and please feel free to correct me.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with Payton over Brown too, but that's just apples and oranges. They both deserve to be in the top 3. When comparing the 2 you must remember that Jim Brown rushed for 12,312 yards in just 110 games. It took Walter somewhere around 135 games to break that record. For his career he averaged 4.4 yards per carry and 88.9 yards a game. Jim Brown averaged 5.2 yards per carry and 104.3 yards a game in his career and retired while still in his prime. If Jim Brown had played as many games as Walter Payton, he would have rushed for over 20,000 yards. It's also too bad that for all of Jim Brown's career, the NFL season was only 12 or 14 games while Payton had the benefit of a 16 game season for 'most' of his career. One final stat: In his 190 games in the NFL, Walter Payton rushed for 110 touchdowns. In his 110 games in the NFL, Jim Brown rushed for 106. That's 4 less touchdowns in 80 fewer games. Payton had 15 receiving touchdowns, Brown had 20...again in 80 fewer games. It was a sad day for the NFL when Jim Brown decided he wanted to be a moviestar.

And Barry Sanders does deserve to be on any list as does a guy named Gale Sayers. BTW, I don't know if I'm having a brain cramp or if you made a mistake, but who is Laurence Taylor? All I can think of is LT, the Giants' linebacker. Maybe Jim Taylor??? Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson, Larry Csonka, Curtis Martin, Franco Harris, and Tony Dorsett would all be worthy of consideration on any top running back list. It's WAY too soon to be including Adrian Peterson. I'd even take Bo Jackson before him at this point. Someday AP may be near the top of the list, but he's not an all-time top 10 after just one season.

Well Walter Payton also played on a much worse team in the begginning years of his career. Hes also our career leader in receptions. Not for a runningback lol the whole team. He was the offense. And lets leave active players out of it. Gale Sayers redefined the position at the time. And as long as were going guys who may have gotten snuffed on that list, like Barry Sanders, i think that Earl Campbell might be wrote: