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Tommie Harris is the most over-rated
4 months ago  ::  Aug 12, 2009 - 10:27AM #1
EagleTide
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That would account to limited attempts to play but sounds like it was a cleanout procedure so he may still be ok for the start of the season.
4 months ago  ::  Aug 10, 2009 - 3:57PM #2
heron25
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Bears' Harris admits to March surgery

August 10, 2009 3:42 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- Greetings from Olivet Nazarene University, where I quite literally stumbled into a newsy day in my first hours at Chicago's training camp.

I'll get you the basics before coming back with a follow-up: Bears defensive tackle Tommie Harris had been targeted to return to full-contact practice Monday but instead watched everything while wearing full pads. Afterwards, Harris admitted for the first time that he had a second surgery on his left knee in March to address scar tissue that had been bothering him.

That helps explain why Harris sat out most of the Bears' offseason program. It doesn't totally explain why he hasn't done much in training camp. Harris said Monday that his hamstring is sore, while coach Lovie Smith said the knee had developed soreness. As we have noted multiple times, Harris is a key to any resurgence the Bears defense might accomplish this season.

More in a bit.
9 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2009 - 1:06AM #3
mccann40
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So you have nfl rules? thats interesting i wish i was young enough to do that.enjoy it.;)
9 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2009 - 1:03AM #4
mccann40
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well thats pretty cool at least your still playing,ever think about tring out for a pro team?:)just curious.
9 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2009 - 12:40AM #5
Scorpious
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mccann40]Well i have alot of faith in Marcus Harrision this season he didnt get that many spaps last year to see if he can stay on the field a whole game yet partly because we thought dvorcech was gonna be the force we needed but trust me with marinelli we will find out quickly if any of our lineman will work out or not and move on from there.So you play semi pro ball huh what city?.I played high school and part of a season in coll. I miss it every day. Just getting around the ball always takes me back.:)


I'm in a small 8-man league here in the Dallas area, 9 teams, 100 yard field, NFL rules. It's a lower-tier league at best, but it gives me a chance to suit up on Sundays, so I'm wrote:

Well i have alot of faith in Marcus Harrision this season he didnt get that many spaps last year to see if he can stay on the field a whole game yet partly because we thought dvorcech was gonna be the force we needed but trust me with marinelli we will find out quickly if any of our lineman will work out or not and move on from there.So you play semi pro ball huh what city?.I played high school and part of a season in coll. I miss it every day. Just getting around the ball always takes me back.:)[/quote]
I'm in a small 8-man league here in the Dallas area, 9 teams, 100 yard field, NFL rules. It's a lower-tier league at best, but it gives me a chance to suit up on Sundays, so I'm happy.

9 months ago  ::  Mar 21, 2009 - 12:12AM #6
Scorpious
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mccann40]But in the Pros if the D backs cant cover then the QB doesnt have to hold the ball too long thats why they call them coverage sacks.We did it in the 80s all the time with Ryan but we had the talent to cover from the LBs @ the DBs and the QBs always went down ball in hand.:) But you have to have a healthy secondary that can make the QB hold the ball.Wich means you have to be able to cover man to man so you can use the safeties over the top.


I agree, the DB's have to be able to cover. However, I don't care what league you're in, the QB should NEVER be allowed to have the ball in his hand 5 seconds after the snap. The D-line or someone coming through on a blitz should be in the QB's face long before that. Once the QB has the ball for 5 seconds or more, the play almost always results a completion. The best cover corners in the league can't be expected to cover a receiver for more than 4 or 5 seconds. Most receivers hit the end of their route by then, and if the QB is scrambling around they'll break off that route and try to find open space. Cornerbacks know the routes just as well as the receivers do, and once they see what route the receiver is running, they know exactly how to cover it. Once that receiver starts improvising to get to open space, there's no way for the corner to have any idea where he might decide to go. Coverage sacks generally happen when the defense drops 2 or more defenders into coverage than the offense has eligible receivers. If there's more people covering than the offense has to throw to, chances are they're not going to get open. If you run straight-up man coverage with one DB/LB on each WR/TE/HB, and the QB has enough time, someone's going to get open. It's a fact of football. In Cover 2, it's even easier. So the D-line has to be improved this offseason, or it won't make a hill of beans difference who our corners and safeties are.


By the way, the Bears' all-time franchise leader in sacks happened to play DE in the 80's. Not to mention the two DT's he played with most of those years were absolute beasts, and one of them is in the Hall of Fame (Hampton). The Bears had the best D-line in the league, hands down, that's why nobody could run OR pass on the Bear wrote:

But in the Pros if the D backs cant cover then the QB doesnt have to hold the ball too long thats why they call them coverage sacks.We did it in the 80s all the time with Ryan but we had the talent to cover from the LBs @ the DBs and the QBs always went down ball in hand.:) But you have to have a healthy secondary that can make the QB hold the ball.Wich means you have to be able to cover man to man so you can use the safeties over the top.[/quote]
I agree, the DB's have to be able to cover. However, I don't care what league you're in, the QB should NEVER be allowed to have the ball in his hand 5 seconds after the snap. The D-line or someone coming through on a blitz should be in the QB's face long before that. Once the QB has the ball for 5 seconds or more, the play almost always results a completion. The best cover corners in the league can't be expected to cover a receiver for more than 4 or 5 seconds. Most receivers hit the end of their route by then, and if the QB is scrambling around they'll break off that route and try to find open space. Cornerbacks know the routes just as well as the receivers do, and once they see what route the receiver is running, they know exactly how to cover it. Once that receiver starts improvising to get to open space, there's no way for the corner to have any idea where he might decide to go. Coverage sacks generally happen when the defense drops 2 or more defenders into coverage than the offense has eligible receivers. If there's more people covering than the offense has to throw to, chances are they're not going to get open. If you run straight-up man coverage with one DB/LB on each WR/TE/HB, and the QB has enough time, someone's going to get open. It's a fact of football. In Cover 2, it's even easier. So the D-line has to be improved this offseason, or it won't make a hill of beans difference who our corners and safeties are.


By the way, the Bears' all-time franchise leader in sacks happened to play DE in the 80's. Not to mention the two DT's he played with most of those years were absolute beasts, and one of them is in the Hall of Fame (Hampton). The Bears had the best D-line in the league, hands down, that's why nobody could run OR pass on the Bears then.

9 months ago  ::  Mar 20, 2009 - 10:39PM #7
mccann40
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But in the Pros if the D backs cant cover then the QB doesnt have to hold the ball too long thats why they call them coverage sacks.We did it in the 80s all the time with Ryan but we had the talent to cover from the LBs @ the DBs and the QBs always went down ball in hand.:) But you have to have a healthy secondary that can make the QB hold the ball.Wich means you have to be able to cover man to man so you can use the safeties over the top.
9 months ago  ::  Mar 20, 2009 - 10:34PM #8
mccann40
Posts: 362
I think our main weakness on Defense was lack of leadership on defense.:)
9 months ago  ::  Mar 20, 2009 - 10:33PM #9
mccann40
Posts: 362
Well i have alot of faith in Marcus Harrision this season he didnt get that many spaps last year to see if he can stay on the field a whole game yet partly because we thought dvorcech was gonna be the force we needed but trust me with marinelli we will find out quickly if any of our lineman will work out or not and move on from there.So you play semi pro ball huh what city?.I played high school and part of a season in coll. I miss it every day. Just getting around the ball always takes me back.:)
9 months ago  ::  Mar 20, 2009 - 9:21PM #10
Scorpious
Posts: 443

mccann40]:D I think Harris did well while playing injured the last 2 years he will be faster and meaner than ever before.He will lead our d-line to the next level.:) From what i saw this season he had at least 5 sacks and put alot pressure in the backfield but when coverage breaks down and the pass gets off then they blame our line.:D


The problem is the line isn't getting ANY pressure. That's why the coverage breaks down. I'm currently playing for a semi-pro team and our team has the exact same problems that the Bears suffer from: Great defense, but the offense is only on the field for about 25% of the game because our o-line can't block and we go 3-and-out almost every series, and our D gets burnt because our DE's can't get to the QB. I don't care who lines up behind center, if you give him 4-7 seconds, someone's gonna get open. 1-3 seconds, not so much. The Bears give the opposing QB's the 4-7 seconds, but only give theirs 1-3... translation: the defense is on the field the whole game.

Harris will do better when the Bears get a real #2 DT and an ends who can actually rush the QB. Until then, he'll be an above average DT who sucks against the run. That's been this line's problem all along, Smith built this line strictly to go after the QB, but without that run stuffing #2 DT, opponents can draw and dive them to wrote:

:D I think Harris did well while playing injured the last 2 years he will be faster and meaner than ever before.He will lead our d-line to the next level.:) From what i saw this season he had at least 5 sacks and put alot pressure in the backfield but when coverage breaks down and the pass gets off then they blame our line.:D[/quote]
The problem is the line isn't getting ANY pressure. That's why the coverage breaks down. I'm currently playing for a semi-pro team and our team has the exact same problems that the Bears suffer from: Great defense, but the offense is only on the field for about 25% of the game because our o-line can't block and we go 3-and-out almost every series, and our D gets burnt because our DE's can't get to the QB. I don't care who lines up behind center, if you give him 4-7 seconds, someone's gonna get open. 1-3 seconds, not so much. The Bears give the opposing QB's the 4-7 seconds, but only give theirs 1-3... translation: the defense is on the field the whole game.

Harris will do better when the Bears get a real #2 DT and an ends who can actually rush the QB. Until then, he'll be an above average DT who sucks against the run. That's been this line's problem all along, Smith built this line strictly to go after the QB, but without that run stuffing #2 DT, opponents can draw and dive them to death.

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