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The Holiday Trifecta
Jul 06, 2007 | 6:33AM | report this

Good Morning Trifecta Contestants.

Doesn’t it seem when you’re on holidays that your schedule gets turned upside down. Sorry for being a day behind and I hope it doesn’t effect the turn out. Enough with the excuses though and on to the other FOX NASCAR bloggers contest. We’ll leave it up for debate which one is more fun.

This week will start out with the Nextel Cup race, the Pepsi (formerly Firecracker) 400 from Daytona on Saturday 7:30 ET. Being dubbed the last restrictor plate race with the old car, it will take place Saturday night.

Next the F1 race at Silverstone on Sunday morning (8:00am ET). Hamilton returns home to show his country how to get it done. Will he cave under the pressure or rise to the occasion. You decide.

And lastly we will have the IRL race from Watkins Glen 3:30 ET Sunday afternoon. Finally they go to a track where throttle control is important and then the Nascar guys will be holding it wide open. Ahh, the irony of it all.

I also wanted to know how many of you are interest in champ car racing? It seems to me to be the bottom of the heap, because of instability and predictability. They are racing through the exhibition grounds here in Toronto this weekend and I think the only ones who are still interested are local media. No points for this one but you can tell me who you think will win.

I’ll do a wrap up next week from the past 2 weeks(when I have time back at work). I just wanted to get this out before it was too late. Picks are due…. lets see… we’ll change it up and say before the start of the Saturday night race (7:30 ET)(yes that is after F1 qualifying.)

Same rules apply for double picks.

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Dave_in_Indy
Jul 6, 2007
8:13 AM
Cup - Johnson
F1 - Hamilton
IndyCar - I wanna say Marco comes through this week, but will play it a bit safer and go with Dixon

Dave_in_Indy
Jul 6, 2007
8:16 AM
Oh, and Sebastian Bourdais for Champ Car.

HotfootLori
Jul 6, 2007
8:17 AM
Good luck everyone.

Cup: Tony Stewart
F1: Fernando Alonso
IRL: Sam Hornish Jr.

14Falcons
Jul 6, 2007
8:33 AM
Cup - Kenseth
F1 - Raikkonen
IRL - Meira

Yes I follow Champ Car. Tracy.

Last edited by 14Falcons on July 6th at 8:40 AM.

Dave_in_Indy
Jul 6, 2007
9:11 AM
Falcs -

I'd love to see Meira pull out a win; the best driver on a non-Penske/Ganassi/Andretti team in IndyCar.

I thought Tracy was out - still will stick with Bourdais ...

williamwilman
Jul 6, 2007
9:17 AM
ya paul is back. i think he has already won one dave. and thats what i mean about champ car being predictable. after those 2 im not sure of a name i could pick. but who doesn't want to see d'matta make a full recovery.

JayJayDean
Jul 6, 2007
11:19 AM
I'm not a big Champ Car guy. I like my open-wheel racers to have to tackle ovals and road courses (F1 excepted, of course), and I think Champ Car is not as high-quality as the IRL in terms of drivers. I think if they merged into a 22-car single series at least 14 or 15 drivers would be IRL-based.

Cup: Jeff Gordon
IRL: Dario
F1: Massa

photogr
Jul 6, 2007
1:03 PM
Formula 1 Robert Kubica A shorter long shot

INDY Tony Kanaan maybe a win

CUP Denny Hamlin Back to back wins?? Maybe

Champ Servia..

Of course I do still have the option to switch.

Dave picked Johnson to win??? Bad idea..

Last edited by photogr on July 7th at 2:06 PM.

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
1:21 PM
Cup - Kevin Harvick
F1 - Lewis Hamilton (I'll take the penalty points)
IRL - Helio Castroneves

CCWS - Robert Doornbos (on that, we don't get any coverage at all for these guys....that really p***es me off since this was the series that got me interested in oval racing in the first place! RIP Greg, you would have been a multiple Champion, mate)

Last edited by Tezgm99 on July 6th at 1:28 PM.

photogr
Jul 6, 2007
1:25 PM
TEZ:: You get the double wammy this week end..Helio just took the pole away from Dario.

Hey look at Matsuura.. up in the top 5..UMMM I will be right back.

Last edited by photogr on July 6th at 1:42 PM.

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
1:27 PM
Why? If Lewis wins the worst I get is 6 points....a far cry from my recent F1 performances, lol

And if he finishes last....well, then I keep my status as leader of the 'Stoppers' :P

I have a soft spot for Helio; he was the guy Roger chose to replace Greg at Penske after that horrendous shunt in Fontana (last race of the '99 season)

Last edited by Tezgm99 on July 6th at 1:31 PM.

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
1:37 PM
what odds that Seb will replace Scott at STR for the 2008 F1 season?

I know he's done a couple tests with them....and Adrian Newey knows how to design fast cars. I don't think there will be a Yank on the grid come Melbourne.

JayJayDean
Jul 6, 2007
3:04 PM
"what odds that Seb will replace Scott at STR for the 2008 F1 season?"

If you believe Robin Miller (who is pretyt much right about EVERYTHING except when it comes to NASCAR) that's already a done deal.

photogr
Jul 6, 2007
4:41 PM
Well Well.. NASCAR just called qualifying due to rain. Every body starts on points.. Poor Boris Said..

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
6:07 PM
OH FOR F#@%S SAKE!!!!

Right, I hate this; NASCAR, grow a brain and spend some of that crapload of money you have to make a bloody track with a roof over it so we can see some #### racing regardless of the weather!

It works for tennis (Melbourne), it works for football (also Melbourne)....take the lead for once and DO something about it.

ok, my rant's done now, lol :P

williamwilman
Jul 6, 2007
6:42 PM
whats the forecast for tomorrow tez do you know? i just checked. chance of thunderstorms till next saturday. they wont be getting this one in.

Last edited by williamwilman on July 6th at 6:47 PM.

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
7:00 PM
Will, stop trying to ruin my day :P

Is that really the outlook? Man....so when was the last time a race got cancelled (not just raced the next day, but scrapped completely) for #### weather?

JayJayDean
Jul 6, 2007
7:12 PM
You think they should put a roof on a little ol' 2.5-mile track? I don't think even NASCAR has enough dough to pull THAT off.

williamwilman
Jul 6, 2007
7:23 PM
jjd they should crush daytona and talledega. i can't stand "hold it wide open" racing. i say that knowing full well that my beloved winged sprint cars do exactly that, but i think that is why i'm not an avid IRL fan. why do i like sprint cars and not plate racing?
and check out hotfootlori's blog for more of my thoughts on the weather.

Last edited by williamwilman on July 6th at 7:24 PM.

photogr
Jul 6, 2007
7:38 PM
Here is a crazy idea.. Rain tires on a super speed way. That should be a crash fest.

Tez: I don't know nothing about weather. Nothing..

William:I guess they are called outlaws here.. Sprint cars have not changed their shape or power train in over 30 years. Could the fans relate to that more..UUMMM.

Last edited by photogr on July 6th at 7:41 PM.

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
7:57 PM
photo; that "I know nothing" thing seems to be your favourite saying right now, lol

JJD; I was just thinking of a different idea instead of bashing them for not using rain tyres like photo is :P

photogr
Jul 6, 2007
8:23 PM
TEZ: ME BASHING NASCAR? Never..

My idea of rain tires makes better sense than putting a roof over a 2.5 mile track. No let me rephrase that> both are in the lunacy range. Rain tires on a road course is better. Untill technology catches up rain tires will only be good on road courses.

Ok I have run "I don't know nothing" for too long. Would you prefer I say "I am a know it all?"

Last edited by photogr on July 6th at 8:27 PM.

Tezgm99
Jul 6, 2007
8:38 PM
You mean to tell me that all this time that I thought you did know everything has been a sham? My idealistic view will be crushed if that's true.

JayJayDean
Jul 6, 2007
8:46 PM
"they should crush daytona and talladega"

I'm gonna have to take away your NASCAR fan-card, man!

williamwilman
Jul 6, 2007
9:01 PM
jjd. your right, i'd better keep some of my opinions to myself or i'll be lynched. you know what i am saying though, they don't embody "real" racing.

JayJayDean
Jul 6, 2007
9:39 PM
I wouldn't say it's "not real racing", it's just different. I think NASCAR ought to at least consider having the engines be smaller on a superspeedway, so the cars don't need restirctor plates.

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
2:47 AM
Meira finished second at "The Glen" last year. I think he gets his first. Of course Franchitti should be tough. His car was just off last year.

Tracy is back (no pun intended). He won Cleveland June 24. One tough son-of-a-gun.

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
2:50 AM
JJ,

I like the fact that the IRL is ovals and Champ Car is road courses. I am beginning to think they need to stay apart.

IRL is running some road courses. I do not think that is too smart. But I wouldn't want to ignore the Buffalo market either. Champ Car is going over seas later this summer. Not too smart in my opinion.

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
2:53 AM
Tez,

I own a hill in Tennessee (or my family does). Want to build a track with a roof on it?

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
2:54 AM
photo,

We have both, Sprint cars, and WoO.

Sprint cup is going to confuse that something silly.

HotfootLori
Jul 7, 2007
8:42 AM
Great point Falcons. The Sprint Cup and Sprint Cars will be confusing for some.

I guess cup will now be NSCS (Nascar Sprint Cup Series) - sounds like a TV show, like CSI Miami or something. LOL

JayJayDean
Jul 7, 2007
10:32 AM
I'd prefer they merge just because the driver depth would be a LOT better and the Indy 500 would benefit.

I don't think anyone is going to ACTUALLY confuse a "sprint car" and a "Sprint Car", because, no one really cares too much about sprint cars. (Speaking only of casual fans, of course.)

williamwilman
Jul 7, 2007
10:43 AM
the thing about sprint cars is i have brought a few folks to the races who have never seen them go. every time people come away thinking man those things are WILD. yet it continues to be an attendance driven series with very little t.v. coverage. IMHO it is the premier type of racing in this (well your) country.

photogr
Jul 7, 2007
2:10 PM
William: We have a sprint car series track here in Cincy.Would you believe a 1/8th mile track. Yes the races are action packed but very little attendance unless the World of Out Law boys show up every once in a blue moon. I would imagine the poor condition of the track has some thing to do with attendance.. Owners are milking the track dry.

If they would put some money back into it and make it at least a 1/4 mile track attendance might pick up.

Last edited by photogr on July 7th at 2:16 PM.

Dave_in_Indy
Jul 7, 2007
2:17 PM
Sprint cars on a 1/8 mile track - - holy $#@*! I've seen midgets, although mostly quarter-midgets, on 1/8 mile tracks. That must be a weird show.

Tezgm99
Jul 7, 2007
2:22 PM
The 'Sprint Cup'? I'm sorry, did I totally miss something due to the time difference? It sounds like they nicked my idea of a qualifying title if you ask me.

Falcons; well, we're both CE's so I'll help in the design of it....just to prove to NASCAR that it can be done, lol

Last edited by Tezgm99 on July 7th at 2:24 PM.

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
3:02 PM
william,

Sprint cars are cool live. No doubt.

"they should crush daytona and talledega"

I think it would be best to just reduce the banking and make them brake. Then you could take the damn plates off.

But no, let's race in packs because newbies like it and it looks good on TV. Let's just kill people. It ain't no big deal.

COT and safety, it's a joke as long as Daytona and Talladega are on the schedule. It is just more pc ####.

Last edited by 14Falcons on July 7th at 3:05 PM.

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
3:06 PM
photo,

There's your chance. Buy the track.

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
3:10 PM
tez,

In reality I think I'll turn it into a disc golf course. I'll need some sweat equity with that if you want to come over and help. LOL

photogr
Jul 7, 2007
4:12 PM
Falcons: Nope.. The owners want too much for it, not a sanctioned track, and no room to expand.

Dave: Exactly. Just a dirt track circle. Not much room to do any thing with it..

JayJayDean
Jul 7, 2007
4:26 PM
"But no, let's race in packs because newbies like it and it looks good on TV. Let's just kill people. It ain't no big deal.

COT and safety, it's a joke as long as Daytona and Talladega are on the schedule. It is just more pc ####."

Hold on a second, Mr. Drama.

Last NASCAR racing fatality at Daytona: Dale Earnhardt Sr., 2001
Before that: Neil Bonnett and Rodney Orr, 1994 (both on Hoosier tires)
Before THAT: Bruce Jacobi, 1983

They aren't exactly dropping like flies at Daytona. How about Talladega?

Last NASCAR racing fatality at Talladega: Tiny Lund, 1975 (!)

Most of the more recent fatalities have been at Loudon, Texas, and Charlotte.

williamwilman
Jul 7, 2007
4:27 PM
cup kurt busch( i hate to say it)
f1 hiedfeld
irl patrick

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
4:33 PM
jj,

You are a math man. How about computing some rates on those fatalities such as deaths per million miles raced? Then see what you get. To keep it simpler, use Cup fatalities only to begin with and keep it to the last 17 years.

JayJayDean
Jul 7, 2007
5:43 PM
OH SNAP THERE GO THE GIBBS CARS!

williamwilman
Jul 7, 2007
6:38 PM
tony was none too pleased either. im surprised no one took robby gordon or clint bowyer. 7 on 777 or 07 on 7707

14Falcons
Jul 7, 2007
6:56 PM
Tony has even pissed Lisa off.

JayJayDean
Jul 7, 2007
7:59 PM
You CAN'T be not loving this right now. This has been an AWESOME race.

JayJayDean
Jul 7, 2007
8:36 PM
I can sum up that finish in one word.

"Magic."

williamwilman
Jul 7, 2007
8:40 PM
a lot of yellows though. and i think wally said it best "the 26 just got a surge right at the end". to win a race because you got a surge? this is plate racing. no i didn't really want to see the 5 car win but to win because the accordian effect coming out of turn 4. its just not a judge of who was a better driver or who had a better car set up for a long or short run. he won because he got a surge at the right time. i don't see the difference in having the race decided by dice or a rollet wheel. that being said at least daytona does require a decent handling car.

williamwilman
Jul 7, 2007
8:48 PM
oh ya and the update i almost forgot.

williamwilman--------3
JayJayDean-----------5
14Falcons------------8
Dave_in_Indy---------10
Tezgm99--------------34
HotfootLori----------38
photogr--------------43(nice job in pickin' the stopper photo)

and now on to the F1 race. the only person i want to beat here is tez cuz i picked after him and he intentionally double picked even though lewis is the odds on hometown favorite.
and of course bowyer finishes 7th

Last edited by williamwilman on July 7th at 8:49 PM.

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