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MVP'S 2006-07 Stats
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MVP'S 2006-07 Stats at a Glance & TEAM'S STATs

NASH IS THE WINNER…….BY OVERALL SECOND IS DIRK…..BY RPG & 3-S THIRD IS KOBE…….BY PPG and by him doing only what his coach told him to do, HE IS OUR MVP……..He is doing his best and @ the same time making a little history.

Player Games PPG RPG APG FG% FT% Points Rebounds Assists Steals Blocks 3-Point % Turnovers

 Nowitzki, D 74 24.7 9.2 3.4 0.468 0.81 100.42 42.14 20.02 6.77 5.06 0.384 14.01

Nash, S 70 18.8 3.5 11.5 0.496 0.802 110.2 40.56 25.9 6.63 4.81 0.401 14.81

Bryant, K 71 31.3 5.6 5.4 0.465 0.75 103.09 41.06 22.55 7.34 5.21 0.353 15.85

Wade, D 46 28.8 4.8 7.9 0.464 0.689 95.15 41.28 20.67 6.81 5.38 0.338 14.4

James, L 73 27.6 6.8 6 0.443 0.698 96.63 43.48 20.44 7.48 4.35 0.352 14.28

Gilbert, A 74 28.4 4.6 6 0.453 0.775 105.64 41.28 20.4 7.89 4.57 0.35 13.85

QUESTIONFOR YOU ALL....

HOW DO YOU INSERT YOUR WORK FROM EXCELL TO THIS BOARD. WE DID NOT LEARNED THAT YET. WE ARE NOT ABOUT TO ASK OUR NANA. WE JUST GOT OFF FROM TROUBLE.PLEASE HELP..THANK YOU.

 

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fit4fyre
Apr 9, 2007
11:01 AM
How can Nash be the MVP when he has proven, even when he was with Dallas, that he is a defensive liability? He is a product of the system, a good player among other good players. If you put him on the Lakers, and Kobe on the Suns, the Suns would be the NBA champs, and the Lakers would be one of the worst teams in the NBA.

wildfence
Apr 12, 2007
2:57 PM
fit4fyre....you couldnt be more wrong? If you put kobe on the suns, that would be a disaster. Do you think Marion and Amare would be happy with kobe taking over 30 shots a game?? Do you think Bell, barbosa, diaw and anyone else would be nearly as good as they are without nash?? hahah

ENO
Apr 12, 2007
3:09 PM
I agree with you fit4fyre. Why does everyone believe Kobe is not a team player. He only avgs. 5 plus assists with NBDL players. I think Marion & Amare would love having Kobe on their team. Wait till you see Kobe in the Olympics, you will see what a difference he makes in Team USA winning the gold medal.

LEECH420
Apr 12, 2007
3:27 PM
KOBE'S THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER OF ALL TIME, HE'S A CRY BABY BALL HOG! HE KNOWS HE WISHES HE STILL HAD SHAQ CARRING HIM, AT LEAST THEN THE LAKERS WERE CONTENDERS IN THE PLAYOFFS AND NOT HOPEFULLS. NASH HANDS DOWN, AND BEING A PRODUCT OF A SYSTEM? WHAT WAS THE SUNS RECORD BEFORE HE BACK, NOW LOOK AT THEM NOW, THIER THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF NASH. THIER LUCKY TO WIN IF HE'S NOT ON THE COURT!

has10
Apr 12, 2007
3:27 PM
How can Kobe not win MVP is supposed to be valuble to his team. Kobe is most valuble because Nowitzki has Josh Howard, Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse, etc. Nash has Amare, Marion, Barbosa, Raja Bell, etc. Kobe only has Odom and Luke.

benjamin
Apr 12, 2007
3:59 PM
ok. this point has been made over and over. it doesnt matter which teammates each candidate has. i suppose paul pierce and michael redd should rank pretty high in the race considering their teams' records without them, no?
an argument can certainly be made for kobe, but that one has to be the most foolish

has10
Apr 12, 2007
4:49 PM
how can the teammates have nothing to do with it. having bad teammates makes you waste possesions which means less points, assists, rebounds, etc. if Kobe had better teammates he would get more assists because when he passes his teammates will make the ball not like now when they make 1 out of 3. also he would get better passes and score more.

has10
Apr 12, 2007
5:06 PM
Of course it matters which teammates surround you. That’s what makes you the type of player you are. If Steve Nash had a bunch of nobodies that couldn’t score the assist he dishes out, you think anyone would consider him an MVP. Paul Pierce, Michael Redd, Chris Bosh, and Elton Brand the list goes on and on. If any one of these player had 1 or 2 players that can on a consistent basis compliment them they would also be considered in the MVP race.

Chasmann8
Apr 12, 2007
5:43 PM
Nash is the MVP! The argument that he has too many supporting players is bogus. Nobody knew who Raja Bell was before Nash made an impact on him. Nobody knew who Boris Diaw was before Nash made him into a star player. Nobody knew Leandro Barbosa before Nash turned him into the 6th man of the year. Nash makes these players great. Look what a difference he made with Quentin Richardson a couple years ago. Now Q is back to being a nobody in the league. Sure, Amare and Marion were good before Nash came, but they are 3 times better when he is in the lineup. Nash is the MVP!!

hawt_link
Apr 12, 2007
6:05 PM
Nash for Kobe would be disaster for both teams...but more so for the Suns. The Suns would still win more games though with Kobe.

I think Dirk has to win it this year...their record is too good and his stats are too high. I just didn't see Nash winning enough in the big games against elite opponents to say he deserves it - even though he is more deserving of it this year then the last 2.

fatmaw1
Apr 12, 2007
6:15 PM
underage...If i get the chance at work tommorrow...i'll try and set your numbers up in excel for you. the problem is...i really need to email the spreadsheet to someone there. if you're willing to give up an email address, i'll do my best to get you a spreadsheet.

aceperson
Apr 12, 2007
7:20 PM
Every time I hear that Kobe is the MVP, can not help but laugh as Most Valuable Player should be one that lead to team win.

To parahase T-Mac, Kobe is Best Player in the league, but not MVP.

So, is Dirk the MVP for this year ? If not for Nash, then definitely. The underlining fact is that without Kobe and Dirk, both Lakers and Mavs win games, actually, with Kobe reduce to second scoring option, Lakers are more potent offensively ! However, without Nash, Suns are actually below average and any game is a struggle, which put to rest of all the great players labels on Marion and Amare.

The thing is that unless you ever PLAYED BALL SERIOUSLY, you will not know the world of different Nash makes to his team mates. No disrespect to Marion, Amare, Diaw, Bell and Barbosa, but they are definitely NOT great or franchise player, just ask Kenyan Martin (who owed his max contract to J Kidd)

Finally, if Dirk win this year, it will only because most voters feel sorry for him, kind of ironic, isn't it ?

Last edited by aceperson on April 12th at 7:21 PM.

GR8UN54
Apr 12, 2007
7:29 PM
By JAIME ARON, AP Sports Writer
Posted Mar 15 2007 2:18AM
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Suns 129, Mavericks 127
Amare Stoudemire had 41 points and 10 rebounds, carrying the Suns to a 129-127 double-OT victory over the Mavs in a thrilling game between two top teams.

Between points and fouls that got Dallas Mavericks starters disqualified, Stoudemire's strong start got the Phoenix Suns going toward a 129-127 victory Wednesday night in a tense, thrilling game between the league's two best teams.

"He's a great finisher,'' marveled teammate Steve Nash. "That was quite a performance.''

Stoudemire had 41 points and 10 rebounds, and Nash played like a two-time MVP down the stretch. He scored 10 points in the final minute of regulation, capped by a tying 3-pointer with 2.7 seconds left. He finished with 32 points, 16 assists and eight rebounds.

___________________

scoring 10 points in the final minute of regulation sounds pretty clutch to me.

making a game tying 3 pointer with 2 seconds left sounds pretty clutch to me.

against the mighty mavericks no less. pretty elite.

cuziffer
Apr 12, 2007
7:29 PM
i cant believe it. someone mentions who should be mvp, and a huge debate breaks out between kobe's klan and nash-backers.

even more asonishing is that someone from kobe's klan uses the "if kobe was on the suns..." argument.

the table is hard to read...but if i did read it right, i think something is wrong....nash is shooting over 53% from the field, and .893 from the FT line. others may be wrong also, but his FT % stuck out to me, so i looked it up.

after everyone's FT%, it just gets too hard for me to comprehend.

it's a 2 man race for me between dirk and nash. wade is out because he missed so many games (and somehow, the heat won without him), and kobe is out because i understand the standard is if you dont win games, you cant be mvp.

lebron is out because he cant finish games. gilbert is out because he is now injured, and doesnt do all that much other than score. he shoots alot, and his % isnt that good.

i didnt pick kobe, so of course, my opinion either doesnt count, or makes me a "kobe hater." either way, i'm ok with it.

GR8UN54
Apr 12, 2007
7:34 PM
By BOB BAUM, AP Sports Writer
Posted Apr 1 2007 8:36PM

Suns 126, Mavericks 104
Leandro Barbosa scored 29 points and the Suns beat the Mavericks for the second time in 18 days, 126-104 on Sunday.


PHOENIX, April 1 (AP) -- If Phoenix plays the Dallas Mavericks a few weeks from now in the Western Conference finals, confidence should be no problem for the Suns.

Not with the way they handled the Mavericks on Sunday.

With Leandro Barbosa leading a parade of big scorers with 29 points, the Suns beat the Mavericks for the second time in 18 days, 126-104.

Amare Stoudemire added 24 points and Steve Nash had 23 points and 11 assists as the Suns snapped Dallas' nine-game winning streak and finished the season series 2-2. After a scoreless first quarter, Shawn Marion had 20 points on 8-for-10 shooting. He also frustrated Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki most of the afternoon.

"That's about as good as we can play,'' Phoenix coach Mike D'Antonisaid.

The Suns shot 65 percent (46-of-71), the highest in the NBA this season and a record for any team at US Airways Center, formerly America West Arena.

Phoenix shot 86 percent in the fourth quarter (13-for-15), 4-of-4 on 3s.

"We were getting good looks,'' Marion said. "Everybody was rotating, making the extra pass. When everybody makes the extra pass, you get open looks and you're going to knock down some shots.''

Stoudemire, who scored 41 in the Suns' come-from-behind 129-127 double-overtime victory at Dallas on March 14, made 10 of 13 shots Sunday. In the last two games against the Mavericks, Stoudemire was 26-of-32 f

jackxx
Apr 12, 2007
7:37 PM
how can steve nash continue to win the mvp and he can't stop anybody last couple of weeks iverson scored 44 on him,mike bibby scored 37 on him, and then tony parker scored 35 on him.If you go back to last years defensive player votes nash didn,t get one vote,check it out.kobe was first team all nba and first all defence.Is it because Nash is white

jackxx
Apr 12, 2007
7:49 PM
maybe the league should have the players vote for mvp instead of the white bias nonathetic sports writers. I heard one jerk writer say It's Steve Nash and 4 guys from the YMCA It's a joke to the whole to keep giving this guy the MVP,I use to like Nash but the white media make me hate him.Scott Skiles said he was the best player on the planet and no one else is even close that might be the biggest mistake in the history of the nba

jackxx
Apr 12, 2007
7:52 PM
he can get all the MVP's he want he'll never get a ring or beat anybody in a best of 7 winning a championship is all that matters

jackxx
Apr 12, 2007
7:58 PM
IT would be great for dirk win MVP great player,great guy ,great team but he has a disadvantage, he's from germany not american or canadian,thats a shame

smartaz156
Apr 12, 2007
8:21 PM
Kobe for MVP? I don't that such honors should go to someone who goes around raping retarded girls.Good for street cred though.

kevinridge
Apr 12, 2007
8:23 PM
here we go with the racial drama again. Has Jackxx checked the history of the mvp and really seen the award recipients over the last 20-40 years ? Come on, the mvp goes to the guy with the greatest impact on the sucess of his team. Kobe thought he could carry a team by himself so he got rid of Shaq because he couldn't share the glory. If I recollect Shaq has won a ring without Kobe but Kobe dwells in the shadow of other great players and languishes in the archives of great players that can't win a championship without other great players around him. One big problem, the game is only played with one ball and Kobe controls it. Didn't the Lakers beat the Suns without Kobe ?

has10
Apr 12, 2007
8:53 PM
This is a response to Chasmann8. Raja who, Boris who? Kobe averages more than both of them combined. People still don't know who they are Boris Who only averages 9.6 ppg and Raja Who averages 14.6 ppg which is mediocre not great. How many times has Kobe been clutch and made a buzzer beater: about 100, Nash: 5 tops, Nowitzki: 25. That shows you the Lakers are nothing without him because noone can shoot that shot. The Mavericks can give the ball to Terry, Stackhouse, Josh Howard, etc. The suns, according to you can give it to Marion, Bell, Barbosa, Amare, etc.
Without Kobe the Lakers would be drafting Durant, the Mavericks are incredible without Nowitzki the Suns are championship contenders.

Bottom Line KOBE 4 MVP

Last edited by has10 on April 12th at 8:55 PM.

smitd23
Apr 12, 2007
9:02 PM
Nash is the MVP. look you can all argue about who's the better player is but the MVP isn't about the player. When you define MVP its the player who makes his teammates better and takes his team to the next level. Nash does this better than anyone in the league. Thats what his role is on the floor, to make his teammaters better. Nash fits the MVP mold while everyone try's to make it fit Dirk. Lastly, look at how the offenses are run. Dallas runs the same players for Jerry Stackhouse and Josh Howard (a.k.a. Isolations) that they run for Dirk, making him expendible. However, when Nash is in the game, the Suns offense has a whole different flow. He changes everything and makes the suns a winner

cuziffer
Apr 12, 2007
9:28 PM
"Raja who, Boris who? Kobe averages more than both of them combined."

hey, you can add AND subtract! all you're doing is trying to make "mvp" all about scoring average with that statement.

"People still don't know who they are Boris Who only averages 9.6 ppg and Raja Who averages 14.6 ppg which is mediocre not great."

again, you're turning this into a "ppg = greatness argument." ppg is only PART of being an mvp.

"How many times has Kobe been clutch and made a buzzer beater: about 100, Nash: 5 tops, Nowitzki: 25. That shows you the Lakers are nothing without him because noone can shoot that shot."

so wait...now he should get it because you throw out some completely non-factual numbers about "buzzer-beaters?" oh, and this is not a career acheivement award, so even if kobe does have 100 of them, only those from THIS season count. the lakers are only about 20 games behind the suns right now, so at the most, kobe could have about 32 game winners...and i think we both know thats not true either.

cuziffer
Apr 12, 2007
9:29 PM
"The Mavericks can give the ball to Terry, Stackhouse, Josh Howard, etc. The suns, according to you can give it to Marion, Bell, Barbosa, Amare, etc.
Without Kobe the Lakers would be drafting Durant, the Mavericks are incredible without Nowitzki the Suns are championship contenders."

nah, the mavs are pretty good without dirk, not incredible.

didnt the lakers win a few games without kobe this year? i guess they really can win without him.

the suns were awful without nash.

"Without Kobe the Lakers would be drafting Durant, the Mavericks are incredible without Nowitzki the Suns are championship contenders."

that statement doesnt make any sense. does dirk play for both the mavs and suns now?

jackxx
Apr 12, 2007
9:48 PM
IT is going to get embarrisng for nash to keep giving him something he does'nt deserve, he can keep playing that same game year after year and win mvp for the next 5 years and probably never win a championship.He'll be the only 9 MVP with no ring.Other than Karl Malone I can't think of another guy that did,nt win a championship.Just keep voting him in like sanjaya . I won't be surprized if he wins it next year.

Barbosa
Apr 12, 2007
9:57 PM
Hey fit4frye, sorry dude your very wrong, kobe is not an mvp, i keep saying this but how do you give an mvp to a guy whose team is barely over .500 and just barely in the playoffs, it aint right, its not going to happen, Nash deserves to win it again, hes numbers are all better across the board, he is not there for his defense dude, you don't think dirk is a defensive liability, everyone runs past him for layups and dunks, for his size, its pathetic the wayh plays defense, its a shame. And you say kobe on the suns, I hope not, I will kill my self, and amare and shawn will do the same, they wont recieve any shots at all, you won't even hear about Barbosa, bell or diaw if kobe were on the suns, you got your facts wrong dude, kobe is selfish ####, he will never win another championship again, he only did so cuz of shaq, we will know that, Nash on the lakers would make everyone allstars in 1 year, just like how he made diaw, barbosa, and those unexpected players famous, thats a true mvp, a real mvp, a soon to be three time mvp baby, a future hall of famer hands down, peace. Suns all the way, Peace suns fans, You rule.

jackxx
Apr 12, 2007
10:06 PM
Im so so sorry if anyone thinks this is racist but i do apologize Nash will win again because he is white and there is no other reason lets have the guts to keep it real.Ballplayers have been dishing the ball off for years. If michael jordan was'nt around, john stockton would have been a 6 time MVP, Nash is not doing anything different, instead of giving it to Kobe like you should you are paying back for not giving it to Stockton,10times the ballplayer than Nash,and played in 2 championship series.You need to rethink Nash.PS Nash has not played in any and never will

Barbosa
Apr 12, 2007
10:20 PM
hey jackxx, Nash is winning because he is the real mvp of the league alright, you ask anyone, expect shaq, cuz hes a racist, ask any black, white, spansih, chinese player, i dont care, the league and their players will say Nash, they are right,no one else in the league can make their teammates better than nash and get everyone involved and happy then nash does, its not about colour, its not about talent, he is the most valuable player, no question about it, the critics and the haters can say what they want, just because your home boy mr. rapest bryant isnt gonna win it dont be hating on nash, kobe is a hog, a selfish cocky #### who thinks hes better than everyone else cuz he drops 40 a night, woww, you know nash can do the same, hes a much better shooter than kobe, look at the field goal percentage over the last 5 years and their careers, he can easily drop 40 a night buts he would rather win and have everyone on the team happy and be successful, i think thats an mvp dude, ask anyone if they would rather play with that selfish #### kobe or nash, who do u think they will say, i think u know the answer. By the way I ain't white, I choose Nash as the mvp, and rightfully so, I hope he wins it, hes played his heart out, this is the suns year, forgot fat charles and his comments, he is a trader, a fat slob, and all the critics will eat their words, you will see, Suns baby, Peace Suns fans.

Last edited by Barbosa on April 12th at 10:21 PM.

cuziffer
Apr 12, 2007
10:22 PM
"Im so so sorry if anyone thinks this is racist but i do apologize Nash will win again because he is white and there is no other reason lets have the guts to keep it real.Ballplayers have been dishing the ball off for years. If michael jordan was'nt around, john stockton would have been a 6 time MVP, Nash is not doing anything different, instead of giving it to Kobe like you should you are paying back for not giving it to Stockton,10times the ballplayer than Nash,and played in 2 championship series.You need to rethink Nash.PS Nash has not played in any and never will"

obviously, you're also one of those people who still hasnt figured out the mvp has NOTHING to do with the playoffs, much less getting to or winning an nba championship.

but, since you brought it up....how many championships has kobe won since shaq left town?

if nash doesnt deserve the mvp because he hasnt been to the finals, then why exactly does kobe?

galoiauss
Apr 13, 2007
12:26 AM
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Last edited by galoiauss on October 3rd at 8:40 AM.

PF
Apr 13, 2007
12:35 AM
I like Dirk Diggler for MVP.

jackxx
Apr 13, 2007
7:42 AM
barboasa like i said before, he can win all the MVP'S he wants to, but most players only care about a ring,as long as the top guards in the league keep dropping 35-40 on him everynight because he and the other players can't play defense, he will never be regarded as one of the top guards in history. give him 50 more

Last edited by jackxx on April 13th at 8:05 AM.

cuziffer
Apr 13, 2007
8:10 AM
"I don't understand why so many people bring up the argument "Kobe hasn't won a championship without Shaq, but Shaq has done so without Kobe. So obviously Shaq is more valuable." Do you people even know how to argue logically? That is a statement made in isolation without understanding the context. Do you people understand "ceteris paribus"? You can't compare Shaq's success after leaving the Lakers to Kobe's because Shaq went to a team that had a player almost like Kobe......So until Kobe gets another similarly dominant center as Shaq on his team, it is illogical and inaccurate to compare "Shaq's" 1 championship to Kobe's 0."

if this comment was directed at me...i'm not saying anything about shaq's championships without kobe. the ONLY thing i'm talking about is kobe's championships without shaq. translation: kobe was so sure he was good enough to win it w/o shaq, yet he hasnt. what that proves is it takes more than 1 very good player to win a championship.

i didnt bring up the championships in the first place, because for this debate, it's irrelevent, since its for the REGULAR SEASON MVP. all i was doing was using the twisted logic all the kobe lovers try and use to explain why nash isnt deserving. "nash hasnt won a title, so he doesnt deserve the mvp." yet kobe hasnt either (since shaq left), so why does he deserve the mvp? because he scored alot of points on an average (at best) team?

...and no, i have no clue what "ceteris paribus" means. almost looks like a name for some ED prescription though...

jackxx
Apr 13, 2007
8:29 AM
are you people on meth or what ,Steve Nash is a very good player around very good players,omare,marion ,bell,barbosa,these guys are horses and to put Nash on this pedestal is a slap in the face to all the players in the league.If you ask Kobe(3 rings or Wade 1 ring)what they would rather have, 6 MVP'S or 1 ring ,Ithink we know already

jackxx
Apr 13, 2007
8:38 AM
and one more thing ,for all you haters of Kobe, if you can't even admit that on the internet that he is one of the most outstanding players that ever played in the history of this game you are not true basketball fans, I am a true fan of the game and i would be a hater like some of you if I denied what my eyes can see,he is truly one of the greats of the game of basketball,the last time we saw his kind was playing in a Chicago Bulls uniform

Last edited by jackxx on April 13th at 8:39 AM.

cuziffer
Apr 13, 2007
8:38 AM
"are you people on meth or what ,Steve Nash is a very good player around very good players,omare,marion ,bell,barbosa,these guys are horses and to put Nash on this pedestal is a slap in the face to all the players in the league.If you ask Kobe(3 rings or Wade 1 ring)what they would rather have, 6 MVP'S or 1 ring ,Ithink we know already"

wait...you cant argue that because nash has good players around him, he's not deserving of the mvp...that's like saying that when guys like bird, magic, jordan etc won it, they didnt deserve it because they had other good players on their teams.

yeah, i guarantee you steve nash would rather have a ring. the thing is, he never said otherwise. and if you ever really watched a suns game, you'd see he doesnt even care about his individual stats, and he takes more blame for stuff that really isnt his fault and less credit for plays HE created than anyone in the league.

and if it's so obvious to everyone that kobe would rather have rings than mvp's, why cant all his fans let it go? if its not important to him, why should it be to anyone else?

those guys on the suns may be good, but they're nowhere near that good w/out nash. on the flip side, the lakers showed they could win without kobe a couple times this year. so, how is kobe more deserving when his so-called nobody teammates can win without him, yet nash's "horses" cant when he's not in the lineup?

galoiauss
Apr 13, 2007
9:26 AM
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Last edited by galoiauss on October 3rd at 8:40 AM.

underage
Apr 13, 2007
10:34 AM
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS:
We disagree with you...Chasmann8
The argument that Nash has too many supporting players is NOT bogus. Nobody knew who Raja Bell was before Raja Bell, CLOTHSLINE KOBE....
Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa are both better player and Nash makes them more better. Amare and Marion were stars before Nash came.

GR8UN54
Apr 13, 2007
10:54 AM
if it is reality you seek.........

simply look into my avatar...........

underage
Apr 13, 2007
11:38 AM
To: fatmaw1
Thank you, my nana got me an e-mail address,but she control every thing, Please send only what I am allowed to received. Your help is very much appreciated.
Thank you,
Mike
mikesfirst@hotmail.com

Barbosa
Apr 13, 2007
11:57 AM
hey jackxx, you don't think nash wants to win a ring, he has said it over and over he would trade a ring for the mvp, anybody would, only the selfish guys in the league would disagree and prefer fame over glory. Nash will get his ring, and a couple more I believe, he gets better with age, and the last couple years the suns would have won had injuries not killed them in the playoffs, i aint one to make excuses, but be real man,lets be honest, amare was and still is in his prime and you take him out of your lineup is like taking kobe or dirk out of the lakers and mavs lineup, and the suns still advanced to the west finals while playing shorthanded basically, without a future mvp in Amare. not to mention the knee problems of bell and kurt being out. the mavs were completely healthy. Nash is very competitive and wants to win more than anyone, only a true suns fan would know that. Ohh he will get his rings to add to those mvps you will see, your home boy bryant and his team will feel the pain once we knock them out this year in the opening round. its kobe vs 6 basically. okay we will say kobe and odom vs 6. good luck to your home boy dude, bye bye lakers, can't wait. ohh yea u guys barely in the playoffs, lets hope u guys make it first, loool. now thats an mvp kobe, with his team barley over .500 and in the playoffs, thats pathetic dude.

Last edited by Barbosa on April 13th at 11:59 AM.

Barbosa
Apr 13, 2007
12:06 PM
and whats this talk about everyone dropping 35 to 40 points on him every night, nash can easily do the same to the opposing guards, expect his team blows the other team out by halftiim and the 3rd quarter and he sits and watches the rest of the game, hes only playing 35 minutes a night which is 3 quarters basically. sure he isnt the best defensive player, he doesnt have to be, he isnt the teams stopper, thats why they have marion, bell, barbosa and james jones and those guys. He has actually drawn the most offensive fouls and his team, they say hes actually underrated on defense, people overlook him, but considering his size, many other point guards are taller and bigger than which plays a key role as we all know but for you to say nash is horrible on defence and the suns will never win is pathetic, and you couldnt be more wrong. the critics will continue to talk bad of the suns and thats fine, its the suns versus the world, we don't mind. Nash and the suns will do their thing, I can't wait for the playoffs.

cuziffer
Apr 13, 2007
8:07 PM
"cuziffer- No, if you must know, my comment was primarily directed at kevinridge. Nevertheless, I'm discussing all this without any reference to the MVP race. I don't care who wins the MVP, as long as people understand what really went on between the two players and how to properly analyze Kobe's and Shaq's situation. If you look at any credible source, you'll see that Kobe was not the one who drove Shaq away. It was Shaq himself. Of course the animosity between the two was a factor, but the fact is that Shaq was the catalyst for his trade, not Kobe. I don't know if Kobe thought he himself could win a championship, but if he did, that would be highly improbable. But in the same way, if Shaq thinks he can win a championship by himself (without Kobe or Wade), then I'd say he's delusional."

and here i thought this post and the ensuing debate in the comments section was about who should be the mvp and why, NOT why shaq left LA and how very little of it (according to you) has to do with kobe.

anyway, here's another reason kobe shouldnt be the mvp just because his teammates supposedly stink and he carries the team. 1 thing i keep hearing/reading is how kobe can score against double and triple teams. if he is THAT good, he should be able to find an open teammate for an EASY shot, and not have to force his own against multiple defenders. its a nice advantage to have at times, but not all the time.

cuziffer
Apr 13, 2007
8:08 PM
underage- nash knew who raja bell was. they were teammates in dallas, and nash was instrumental in getting bell to come play for phoenix. not only did he convince bell to come there, but i'm guessing he whispered a few nice things about him to suns management.

underage
Apr 13, 2007
8:53 PM
cuziffer, sorry we don't know.....thank for the info....
but really...we barely see him until that incedent with Kobe.

Barbosa
Apr 13, 2007
11:28 PM
Hey jackxx and all those upsessed kobe fans, what happened in phoenix. Suns win, suns win, suns win, thats right, a matchup of two possible mvp canidates, Nash clearly outplayed your home boy bryant, heck he took enough shots (26), bell was all over him, and you guys say the suns dont play any D, well there D has continued to improve over the last two years, they are very underrated on D but thats ok, its good like that. the only time the lakers beat the suns this year was when kobe didnt play on opening day, so the lakers play the suns better actually without their hog, ball control irrogant so called leader and mvp candiate, his team is now .500, and barely hanging onto the last playoff seed or 2nd last whatever, you call that an mvp, i dont think so, no way in hell is he going to get it, it would be a shame if he did, 40 and 40 record, thats pathetic, especialy when u play in a division with the blazers & kings,i dont care if hes averaging 40 ppg, it aint about that, any suns star player can average that if they wanted to, but they play together and thats why the chemistry is so great in phoenix and is why it aint so great in la, his big ego lets the team down, he has odom, and walton, some good young talent but doesnt use those guys to his advantage, if nash were on the lakers he would make ronny turiaf an all star for gods sake, thats the difference you sorry laker fans and bryant lovers, keep talking people, kobe will never get an mvp again or a ring, Nash will get his ring very soon, its our time. Nash is your MV3, fully deserves it. Eyes on the Prize Baby.

Last edited by Barbosa on April 13th at 11:33 PM.

GR8UN54
Apr 13, 2007
11:38 PM
i've been trying to open thyne eyes for quite some time.

nana. you may want to have a talk with the boys.

jackxx
Apr 14, 2007
9:10 PM
this is what bothers me about Nash is that he is given the vote because he is white,that is the only reason,I know that might sound racist but it is what it is ,we still live in the United States of America.If the black ballplayer and the white ballplayer are equal,the white ballplayer will win 99.9% of the time as long as you have the majority of little weasely white sportswriters voting,is this guy really the MVP 3years in a row ,if he puts up the same stats till the end of his career and Phoenix has the same records year after year than he"s MVP forever until he retires .Dwayne Wade did a pretty good f*****G job last and he was barely even considered. Forget that regular season b***#### ,the man who takes his team to the pinnacle should win ,bottom f*****g line.

Last edited by jackxx on April 14th at 9:14 PM.

jackxx
Apr 14, 2007
9:35 PM
Barbosa: I respect what you say but keep it real,you know deep down in your heart this guy is not a 3 time mvp,you are now putting this guy at the level of a MICHAEL JORDAN, MAGIC JOHNSON,LARRY BIRD,ISAIAH THOMAS, TIM DUNCAN KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR,RICK BARRY,BILL RUSSELL,JULIUS ERVING,JERRY WEST,MOSES MALONE,GEORGE GERVIN,WILT CHAMBERLAIN, TINY ARCHIBAL AND MORE LEGENDS OF THE GAME, CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY STEVE NASH IN THE SAME BREATH WITH THESE LEGENDS ,OH! ONE MORE,( KOBE BRYANT) WITH THESE LEGENDARY CHAMPIONS OF THE GAME, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.AND ONE MORE THING,STOP BRINGING UP KOBE, IT'S STARTING TO SOUND STUPID,THERE'S OTHER GREAT PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE TOO!

Last edited by jackxx on April 14th at 9:41 PM.

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