Got Milk ? Got 'tude ! Real Attitude Say What ?
by: tophatal
So There Was A Game Played Afterall And Who Knew ?
Nov 19, 2007 | 1:12PM | report this

Major   League   Soccer    had  its     showcase   event   played    over     weekend   between   the   two   best   teams    deemed     within   the   respective    Eastern    and   Western   conferences.      And   who'd     have    known   that   this   event   was   taking    place   ?     And  even   though    it   was   televized    was   there   infact   a  great  deal   of  interest     shown   by  the    most   ardent   of    fans    of  the     sport  here    in  North  America  ? 

WASHINGTON - NOVEMBER 18:  Joseph Ngwenya #33 of the Houston Dynamo is tripped up by Khano Smith #18 of the New England Revolution during the 2007 Major League Soccer Cup at RFK Stadium on November 18, 2007 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Jonathan Ernst/Getty Images) Joseph  Ngwenya   of  the   Houston   Dynamos  is  tripped    on  a   play  during    the  MLS  Cup   game   between   the  Revolution  and   the   Dynamos   played  at  RFK  Stadium   in   Washington  ,  DC.   He's  covered   by  Khano  Smith and   Michael Parkhurst  of the  Revolution.  picture  courtesy   of  getty  images  /Johnathan  Ernst.....

The   game  played   between   the  New  England  Revolution  and   Houston  Dynamos    champions    of  the  respective   eastern  and  western  conferences  of  Major   Leauge  Soccer  hoped   to   showcase    what  was  indeed   the  best  of    what  the  league   had   to  offer.    And  at   the  same    time       ground  itself    into   the  psyche   of   its    alleged     growing   number   of   fans.     That    initself   would  be  a  feat    if    were   not    for  the     somewhat     farcical     introduction  into  the  league    of   the   oft    hyped     superstar   David  Beckham    who   made   his  league   debut    with the  Los  Angeles  Galaxy. 

Houston Dynamo's Dwayne De Rosario (L) jumps for the ball with New England Revolution's Shalrie Joseph in the 2007 MLS Cup soccer match in Washington November 18, 2007.  REUTERS/Molly Riley  (UNITED STATES) Dwayne  De Rosario  of  the   Dynamos    goes   up   for     ball  against  the  Revolutions'  Shalrie Joseph    in the  MLS   Cup     game   won  by  the  Huoston  Dynamos   2-1.    picture   courtesy  of   reuters/ Molly  Riley......

In  the  Houston  Dynamos    we  had  the  defending   champions   who  were  intending   to  repeat   the  feat   as  champions.  And in  their   opponents    we  had  the   New  England  Revolution   who  were     trying    win  the  title     for  the  first  time.     And    with    the    reinvigorated    interest      in  sports    in  the   New  England  area    because  of     the    success   of  the     professional   franchises   in  the  area  of  the  Patriots,  Red  Sox   and  the  Boston   Celtics.  It  was  felt  that       the  Revolution   could      join    in  on   the   excitementof  the  furore  created.

Houston Dynamo's Joseph Ngwenya (C) celebrates scoring a goal with teammate Brian Mullay (R) against the New England Revolution in the 2007 MLS Cup soccer match in Washington November 18, 2007.  REUTERS/Molly Riley  (UNITED STATES)Joseph  Ngwenya  of  the  Dynamos   celebrates his   goal     scored   against  New  England    in their  game  played   RFK  Stadium . His   teammate   Brian  Mullay  races  over   to  congratulate    him .  picture courtesy of   reutrers/Molly Riley.....  

Whatever    success   that   could  be   gleaned   out  of  this   for   the   Revolution   would  definately   put   it   on   the  map  in  the  New  England   area.    That  being   said    it  wasn't  going  to  be  an   easy    task   going      against   the   reigning   champions   of  the  MLS.      They're  a  team    known   for  the   steadfast  commitment   and   play   an  exciting   brand   of    soccer   not  often  seen   within  the  league  itself.     Something   that's   not   entirely  indicative   of  what's    happened    within   the  league.     It's     been   slow    to   adapt   and  attract     large    enough   crowds     that'd   enthuse   even   the  most   congenial  of  fans.     But  there's    still   support      there   gor  the  game  and  the  league  itself    in   an  ever   widening   fan   base.     It's    coverage     on   television  has  been    somewhat  sparse    and    has   only  been   heightened    with   David  Beckham's    introduction  to the  league.  That   has  only  brought    out the  more   curious   of  fans  for  the   raribility   of  seeing   the  superstar  himself  at play  with  his  team.

WASHINGTON - NOVEMBER 18:  Taylor Twellman #20 of the New England Revolution scores the first goal of the game past goalie Pat Onstad #18 of the Houston Dynamo as Eddie Robinson #2 and Craig Waibel #16 look on during the 2007 Major League Soccer Cup at RFK Stadium on November 18, 2007 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Jonathan Ernst/Getty Images) Taylor   Twellman   of   the   New  England  Revolution   scores  his   team's    only  goal    in their   loss  to   the  Houston  Dynamo's   the  MLS  Cup.   picture  courtesy of   getty   images/ Johnathan  Ernst......

The  game   itself   would  prove    to  be  exciting   for  those    with  a  thorough   knowledge    of  the  game.    But  for   the  uninitiated  they    may   have     found  it a  bore    from   start  to    finish.    As    the  game     of   soccer    here  isn't  initially  seen    as  action  packed    with      an   end   to  end    flowing   brand   of  soccer  often   seen   on  display  in    Europe.    The  game   was   filled   with   excitement     and  for  the  fans    in  attendance    they    well   have    felt  that   they  got  their    monies'  worth    from   the  spectacle.    But that   initself   would   be    a  joy    for   MLS  Commissioner   Don    Garber.  If  this      showcase   can  could   prove    to  be   the  attraction   that  he's    come  to   anticipate  over    the  years.    Then   his  justification   in   wanting   to   expand  the   league   with  a   further    9   franchises  could  very   well  be  fulfilled    over  the  next    couple   of    years.

Houston Dynamos Dwayne De Rosario kisses the trophy for the most valuable player in his team's win over the New England Revolution in the 2007 MLS Cup in Washington November 18, 2007.  REUTERS/Jim Young     (UNITED STATES) Dwayne  De   Rosario  of  the  Houston  Dynamo   celebrates  his   team's   win   of  the  MLS  Cup  as  well  as  his  own    winning   of  the  MVP  trophy   as  the  game's   best  player.   picture  courtesy  of  reuters/Jim   Young....

The    Revolution     were   somewhat  tentative    in  their  play   and  one   would   determine     that   this   was  from   their  lack  of   inexperience.  But   that  shouldn't  have    been  the  case  as  they'd  been   in  this    position   before.    Only    to  fail     at   the   final   hurdle     in  pulling   of  the   win   that'd  ensure    a  win   the  MLS'  premier   showcase    event.    Having    reached  the  finals  of  the  event  on  three   previous    occasions   they've  failed   to win   each   time.        The    Dynamo's    own    play  itself   was    skillfull   though     tempered     with   bouts  of   over    creativity.   But   when     judged    against   the   play   of  their    opponents    they  were    indeed  the  better    team     on the   day and  deserved    their   2-1   victory.

Houston Dynamo's soccer player Dwayne De Rosario celebrates his game winning goal against the New England Revolution in the 2007 MLS Cup in Washington, November 18, 2007.  REUTERS/Jim Young     (UNITED STATES)De  Rosario    celebrates   his   game   winning   goal    in the  Dynamo's  2-1  defeat  of  the  New  England  Revolution   in the  MLS  Cup   game   played  at  RFK Stadium  in  Washington,  DC.   picture  courtesy  of  reuters/Jim   Young......

 For  the  game   to   flourish    in  North   America    one  would  expect    that   the  fans    in    particular     with   what  has   happened in    the  decade    that  MLS   has   been    in  existence.     The   game     though    played    widespread   across   the   country    in    schools   and   unviversities   has  yet    to    meet   the   expectancy      of    what   may    had   thought    it'd  be  able  to  approach.   Though    fans    at  first     remained   to   indifferent   to  its  plight.     It  seems   to  have   caught     on    in  various     parts     of  the  country.   And  in     aparticular  where     there's  a  strong     Latin   or   European    influence   and   demograghics.  Added   to  that  fact  now     that    there's  also    a   growing    number   of    the  indigenous     population   that    taking  their   families  along   to  see  a  game.    That    may  well     have    been   brought    on   by  the   inevitable   expectations   of  seeing     a   player    like   David  Beckham   on  display.

Houston Dynamo's Wade Barrett (C) holds up the 2007 MLS Cup after defeating the New England Revolution, 2-1, in the league soccer final in Washington, November 18, 2007.  REUTERS/Jim Young     (UNITED STATES) The  Dyanmos'  Wade   Barrett    holds   aloft    the  MLS  Cup  after     Houston's win   over  the   Revolution.    His   teammates  are  at   hsi  side    for  the  celebrations.    picture   courtesy of   reuters/Jim  Young.....

As  a  showcase  piece    of  the  league's    product  to  the  fans    it  was  a  spectacle   that    very    few    would  be  able   to  identify   with.  But   for   the  fans   with  a  knowledge  of the   game    it was  basically   their    own    Superbowl,  World    Series   all   wrapped     into    one.      At the  end   of  the  game   it  was the   Dynamos    who    swept   the  game      with   a     proud    win  for the  franchise  repeating   as  champions.   And  some   may   feel   a  beckoning    of   dynasty    to rival    that  of   DC  United    who've     won   the   MLS  Cup   on  four  occassions   since    the  league   came     into   existence.  

New England Revolution's Michael Parkhurst and Houston Dynamo's Joseph Ngwenya battle for control of the ball during the second half of the MLS Cup championship soccer game Sunday, Nov. 18, 2007, in Washington. The Dynamos defeated the Revolution 2 -1 to win the MLS Cup championship.  Michael  Parkhurst    of  the   Revolution  and   the   Dynamos'  Joseph  Ngwenya    tussle   for  the   ball   during   the  MLS   Cup   game.    picture  courtesy of   ap/photo/Pablo  Martinez   Monsivais.....

Much  can   be   said   for  the  state    of  the  game   here    in  the   United  States  as it  tries    to  find   an   audience   that  can  identify     with  the  game.  It  has  a  built    in  audience amongst      the   minorities   from  the  Caribbean  , to  Latin  America  and   beyond.    But  for   most   North  Americans  it'll    be  seen   as  a  game    that's    only   marginally  entertaining   to   them    from  an   observation   standpoint.     Their   avowed    love    of  the   more   popular   sports     such  as  baseball, basketball  and   football     make    the  sport   of  soccer    seemingly   facing  an    uphill   battle    to   find    avaoed    audience    that'll   have   an  avowed    affinity   for   it  once  and   for  all.     The  likelihood   of  that    happening   seems     even   far   more    difficult      with the  fact  that    in  terms  of   a  television   audience     it   barely   registers   a   blip    in  the  Nielsen's   ratings.      But  seemingly    its    popularity   amongst   the    high  school    and   university    players     has  never     been   greater.    

WASHINGTON - NOVEMBER 18: The Houston Dynamo celebrate after defeating the New England Revolution by a score of 2-1 to win the 2007 Major League Soccer Cup at RFK Stadium on November 18, 2007 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Mitchell Layton/Getty Images for MLS)Members   of  the  Houston  Dynamos    gather    together    for    the    post   game   picture   to   officially    celebrate   their   winning   of  the   MLS   Cup.   picture  courtesy of  getty images/ MLS/ Michael   Layton......

 On  the   international    front  the    men's    team      has      had   its    up's    and  down's.         But  if  the   game    is   to prosper    then      fufill   the   ambitions  of  the  league   and   Soccer   USA.   Then    it'll   have   to  market    itself    and    their  players    with  a  lot  more   resolve  and   at  the  same    time    garner   success   in  order    to   create   a   much  greater     stir     amongst  the  fans   on  the  homefront.   In  doing   that   then   they'll   be  able to    garner   the  respect  they   look   to    obtain.     Also    the  players    seeking  to    gain     fame     from   playing    the  game    will   also   have   to   be   more    adroit     and    exceptional    in  their    skill  level   to   gain   the  respect  of   the   peers    abroad.    As  it  is   the   US   has       yet    to   really  earn    the     respect    of   its   fellow    soccer  playing     nations.  

New England Revolution's Avery John sits on the field after the MLS Cup championship soccer game Sunday, Nov. 18, 2007, in Washington . The Houston Dynamo defeated the Revolution 2 -1 to win the MLS Cup championship. A   dejected   Avey  John   of  the  New  England  Revolution   looks  on  while    members   of  the   Houston   Dynamos      celebrate   their  2-1 win   as  the  game   ends   in  the   MLS    Cup  played at  RFK  Stadium   in  Washington,  DC.  picture  courtesy  of  ap/photo/ Pablo  Martinez  Monsivais.....

When   and   if  they   should   attain    this    level   of    overall   competency    perhaps  then   the  game    will   be  taken    more   seriously   amongst    the  indigenous    population    as     a  whole.     Once  that     happens  then   the  game    will    attain   its     own   standing   within   the public's   conscience    here    in the    US.     And    in    the   hope    also     that    they'll   also  be  able  to   brandish  their  own     legion  of  homegrown  international  stars  not   only   domestically  ,  but  also   abroad.

 

tophatal

 

 Actress   &  comedienne   Jenny  McCarthy .....

 Wash  that  pain  off   Jenny  as  we'd   all   like   to  see   what's   underneath   it all  !

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The_Sports_Intellectual
Nov 19, 2007
2:03 PM
You're absolutely right. I remember hearing last week that the big MLS game was this weekend, but, until now, I completely forgot about it due to all the NCAA and NFL football games this weekend- not that I would have watched it anyway lol.

Kudos to Houston, I guess (just looked it up)... Forgive me if I'm too "Americanized" to care about soccer.

Jenny McCarthy, on the other hand...

MoonDogLeft
Nov 19, 2007
8:53 PM
It proves an irrefutable fact soccer will never come close to being as popular in the U.S. as it is everywhere else around the globe.

Americans have been raised on sports involving a lot of action. Even in baseball where the pace is slower, a scoreless game going into the bottom of the 9th means we've had an incredible pitchers duel. In soccer, a scoreless games means we've had an incredible bore.

What's Jenny trying to tell us with that hose?

FlyingPig
Nov 20, 2007
4:05 AM
Hey RampantAl...Just stopping by to say hi. You know I'm not a kick ball fan so I can't comment on your post. Nice pic of Jenny though.

nospin
Nov 20, 2007
7:23 AM
MLS will probably not be watched as much as other sports. It will catch on in certain parts of the country and both my boys play it. I believe it will be a popular youth sport but not as popular an adult sport. The World Cup will always be a little bit more watched because of the size and level of the competition.

Forensic2
Nov 20, 2007
8:29 AM
tophat- great post, Being over here in London and watching the matchs and seeing how the home crowds sing and chant all togather is really wild to see that loyality to their home team. I think the only time I ever saw that in a team sport was football NFL Houston Oilers in the dome.

I know some places can make some nosie, but can they sing. lol Hey all your babes from past post are disapearing ?

gambitxxx
Nov 20, 2007
9:46 AM
top, not a fan of Soccer but sure am a fan of Jenny.

Moondog, what I'm thinking she is trying to say isn't even appropriate for this website.

pete_nice
Nov 20, 2007
2:11 PM
Man I was clued in to the results on Saturday night as I was watching ESPN News for football scores. Otherwise, unless the hometown Crew had been involved, I would never know or care. I have been to Crew games when there is nothing else going on, and that would include the AAA Clippers minor league baseball during the summer, but usually because the tics are free and its just another excuse to drink beer and look at women.

None look like Jenny, but did I mention the beer?

Soccer will never reach the popularity in the states that it enjoys internationally simply because it wasn't established here first. Period.

tophatal
Nov 20, 2007
2:36 PM
pete nice
The problem with the game here is that it won't reach the rapturous heights of say the NFL or NBA. Because the public at large feels that the sport is pedantic. It's not as actioned packed as they'd want it to be. And at the same time the homegrown talent possesses none of the charisma or talent of their counterparts playing in Europe. That being said it'll find a place here and have an affinity for many of the immigrants who grew up playing or watching the game. As for Jenny you're not going to find chicks looking like her attending a game.

tophatal

tigervidmar
Nov 20, 2007
3:45 PM
Soccer has never reached the level it should in the USA for a few reasons ,but mainly because it IS an intelectual sport without violence per say, (CEPTIN FANS ) almost like our baseball but the reaL REASON is its a goofy bettin' sport like ice hockey ... as stated for 3 years on my website and blog without the pointspread and gamblin' the NFL would not exist as it does... this years super bowl will have a MONEY HANDLE THAT WILL SURPASS ALL MAJOR SPORTS FOR THE TEAR TO INCLUDE SOCCER BY 10 FOLD THAT'S ONE GAME ...ALL OUR KIDS HAVE PLAYED SOCCER AND MOST OF US HAVE COACHED , BUT even the most consevative people in america will bet on the super bowl be it an office pool in vegas , on-line , or wit the local bookie ... as always your da man ....BIG TIME IN THE STATES NOT IN OUR LIFE TIME ....

craigy_f
Nov 20, 2007
4:42 PM
0-0 does not necesarily equal boring. For two ace pitchers just swap in two outstanding 'keepers.

football might be a big minority sport but never a big sport. the american mind either can't grasp the nuances of the christmas tree versus the 451 or just doesn't 'get' the lack of violence or the low scores.

Maybe if 6 points were awarded for a goal more americans may watch. After all a 21-7 win in football is only 4 scores, in one hour.

You can watch 1 hour of acion which may take 3 or 4 hours to be completed
or
you can watch two 45 minutes halfs with one 15 min interlude.
Easy choice for me.

tophatal - good post and as usual great pics.

tophatal
Nov 20, 2007
6:49 PM
craigy_f
There are far more people playing the sport of soccer now. Than there are playiing football and baseball combined. But the real problem is that the sport has never got the exposure it deserves. And at the same time Garber as commissioner isn't all that knowledgeable when it comes how to handle the real issues facing the sport. It's like watching the Keystone Cops at play.

tophatal

slshusker
Nov 20, 2007
6:49 PM
It's a Texas Dynasty in the making. Nice to see a team from New England lose.

Where are Ringo's comments?

tophatal
Nov 20, 2007
6:59 PM
tigervidmar
There are now far more kids playing the sport in college and high school than there are playing the sport of football. That initself should tell you all you need to know. However it's being marketed in the wrong way to the fans and public alike.
Whatever you might think about the game it'll never win over the fans completely.
If however the national team starts to have some success then perhaps we'll see a genuine change in the attitude of the public. But for now it'll just remain an affinity with the immigrants who love the game and those who have a real interest in the sport.


tophatal

jon_464
Nov 20, 2007
7:53 PM
Tophatal, great post. Could you imagine if New England had won?? OMG, we'd NEVER hear the end of how great a sports region New England is!! Depending on the two teams involved, a 0-0 score could mean great goalkeeping or a total bore. If it's two great teams such as Arsenal and Manchester United, a 0-0 score could well mean both goalkeepers were sharp and on their games.

Nice pic of Jenny McCarthy. I'd love to smear some more of that paint on her! Of course it would have to be edible...

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
8:33 AM
jon 464
The game itself proved as such that the game will be able to find its own niche here. But beyond that who can really say what'll happen ? What's needed is the national team to have more success on the field. And then perhaps the rest of the nation would sit up and take notice ? But as of now the game here is still struggling to find its overall audience in terms of the indigenous population. As for the Revloution Saturday just wasn't its day. As the Dynamos were the far better team in all facets of the game.

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
8:42 AM
slshusker
I think that RINGO has got his head buried into a pint of Guinness. As for the Revolution losing . It just wasn't meant to be their day from the outset. They weren't as determined as the Houston Dynamos.
The Revolution have now become the Buffalo Bills of the MLS. See my post written under the rampantfanatic guise about Saban and his latest rant. It's titled Yes It Was A Tragedy But All 'bama Did Was Lose A Game ! Let me know what you think as to the merits of the piece ?

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
9:16 AM
gambitxxx
No matter on the soccer front as it take all sorts to make the world go round. As for Jenny whatever she wants to do with that hose pipe is fine by me. I'd dare say that she's as playful as she looks ?

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
9:27 AM
Forensic2
This was the MLS' showpiece and it barely registered a blip amongst most here. As if the sport has really become all encompassing with the public at large ? They still feel as if it's effeminate and not warranted paying any real attention to. The only real fans the game has here are primarily amongst the immigrant population and the more curious amongst the indigenous population as a whole. As for the pics don't worry about it. I'll always post up more of the same as usual.

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
9:35 AM
nospin
Things'll change once the sport is marketed in such a way where the public realizes its merits. As of now the success of the national side has limited its success domestically. However that wasn't the same for the women's game here once they'd won the Women's World Cup. The problem there was that they never converted that success commercially nor domestically. And even though they're about to start over once again with a women's professional league. They'll have to rethink their strategy this time around to ensure their success. On the men's side lets just say that the Beckham experiment was as close to a bust as one could wish for. He came here injured and never once was he able to reproduce his supposed talent. To my mind he'll be nowehere near the success they're expecting. He'll be commercially viable for the Galaxy and MLS as a whole and that'll be about it. The team just isn't good enough to win anything domestically.

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
9:45 AM
Flying Pig
No worries my man ! Just glad to know that you're alive and kickin' within the forum. I've been extremely busy on the job front. As I've been working on a couple of special expansion projects for the boys of Brown(UPS).
At the same time some professional buddies and I are trying to get something off the ground in cooperation with a local vets' organization. We're trying to help out that front with regard to assisting the guys returning from the Middle East assimilate back into a normal working life. One of our closest friend's had recently just committed suicide after suffering from PTSSD (post traumatic stress syndrome disorder). All they could do for him at the local veterans' administration hospital was to pump him full of pills. And they did nothing for him psychologically. To me that has been the disgrace of what's been happening.
To say I'm saddened by this loss is an understatement. So we're trying to do as much as we can in cooperation with the local VA and some other private establishments.
Hopefully it'll amount to some good ?

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
9:54 AM
MoonDogLeft
That's not necessarily true as the players here aren't as physically adept as their counterparts in Europe as well as other parts of the world where the game is played. That being said the game isn't being marketed right. Also how is that as of now there are far more kids in high school and players in college playing the game than there playing football and baseball at the high school and college level ?
There's got to be an interest there as of now.
The fact of the matter is that the game will have an affinity here amongst the immigrant population and the more curious amongst the indigenous population.
And until there's success at the international level there'll woin't be a real interest shown in the game domestically once and for all. It's exposure on tv here is only marginal as of now.

tophatal

tophatal
Nov 21, 2007
10:49 AM
The Sports Intellectual
Never mind that the game had about as much publicity as you'd find with a PSA being given by some neophyte. But there wasn't that much of an interest overall. Other than from the immigrant population and the more curious amongst us who might still have an affinity for the game. That being said the game won't prosper here until the national side gleans some success internationally.
As for Jenny McCarthy I hear that within reason she's open minded and would share a hot tub with even the most amenable guy.

tophatal

fuzzboss
Nov 21, 2007
8:34 PM
Top: Nice post; though I am not into soccer (at all). It is really a tough sport, lots tougher than our football. Course I am in to Jenny anytime. Fuzz

tophatal
Nov 22, 2007
4:50 PM
fuzzboss
It doesn't matter whether or not if you're a fan of the sport. What matters is that we acknowledge that it's now gaining a foothold in the US. That if anything is worthwhile I feel. At the end of the day what'll matter is whether or not the product will find an identity within the sporting diaspora.
A belated Happy Thanksgiving to you and your immediate family my gracious friend !

tophatal

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Born in the UK of Caribbean parentage and having lived in the US for the last 15 years. A keen martial artist (Black Belt 2nd degree in karate. I also practice savate , tae - kwondo ) College Grad BA's in Econ and Int' Fin. Served five years in the British military. I've gotten use to the American way of life and the language. The women on the other hand, that's something else ! Sports is my great passion along with music and the movies. However I feel that having resided here for all this time , I still somewhat miss the land of my birth. That being said I 'love this great country and all that it has afforded me' An avid Pats and Spurs' fan. Soccer Chelsea , tophatal.....
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