Your Name Here! Park
by: talkingsportsLIVE
Bobby Knight Wants To Slap Your Kid
Nov 15, 2006 | 1:33PM | report this

There is a difference between what's new and what's news. When, not if, say a Britney Spears or a Mike Tyson does something stupid, it's hardly new. Yet, it is still news, given their respective track records and predisposition for doing stupid things.

When Bobby Knight slapped that Texas Tech player the other night, it was nothing at all new -- unfortunately -- but it was indeed news, given Knight's history of bullying people and otherwise embarrassing his employers.

Having covered Big Ten sports for a quarter century, I have my own personal experience in watching Knight's act from an uncomfortably close vantage point. Other than a few sad folks in downstate Indiana, there's no one in the Big Ten who wishes to see Knight come back...ever.

So, it wasn't new, but was it acceptable? No one in the coaching fraternity will utter the least little discouraging word on the subject. As is the case with wife-beaters and  other addicted abusers, there will always be the enablers who will rationalize the sad, hateful behavior of Bobby Knight.

Bobby Knight is addicted to mistreating people in the mistaken belief that he's right and the rest of the world is dead wrong. And unfortunately, in 2006, there are still many who think it's acceptable to slap your kid or spouse around.

Still, the enablers all point to the facts that both the school (Texas Tech) and the player's mother both said that they collectively had no problem with Knight slapping a player under his control. Therefore, we should all get a life and leave Knight free to slap whom he pleases.

I will answer those points thusly.

First of all, there is a reason why Knight now coaches in Lubbock, Texas. And that's because there's no way he could pull this same sorry act in a large metropolitan city or anything resembling a liberal arts college. After Lubbock, the only place Knight could get such a position of responsibility over young people would be back in Kazakhstan with Borat as his assistant coach.

Now, as to his mother claiming that Knight slapping her kid was perfectably acceptable, let me make a point that should be self-evident. If you send your kid to play for Bobby Knight, if you allow your child to be under his watch, you are giving tacit approval for his actions. In other words, you are sending your kid to Texas Tech knowing -- KNOWING -- that eventually Knight will bully, slap and otherwise humiliate your child.

There were two emails to ESPN.com that cut to the heart of this matter. One was from a former college wrestler who revealed that he had been bullied as a schoolboy and went out for the wrestling team to defend himself. On that team, the letterwriter claimed to have learned the difference between bullying and discipline -- adding that he also thought that Knight's actions were nothing out of the ordinary.

My first point is that Knight lost the distinction between bullying and discipline so long ago that he now believes they are one and the same. That proverbial ship sailed eons ago.

The other writer made the salient point that there is a disconnect in how you view Bobby Knight, if you are under or over the age of 35. You'll find not one person younger than 30 who would allow themselves to mistreated in that same fashion.

And that's why Knight will never win again and why Texas Tech will not come anywhere close to winning an NCAA title. The best players may be spoiled rotten, but they ain't about to let no old man slap their faces.

Knight, then, is little more than a beligerant dinosaur. Twenty years from now, people will look back with amazement that parents actually sent their children off to be slapped and abused by such a contemptable ogre. And all of Knight's enablers are dinosaurs, too.

We learn somewhere in grade school that the dinosaurs eventualy died out and in the next few years, the old school dinosaurs who find it perfectly acceptable to mistreat their players will all die out, too.

And I would argue that is a good thing.

So, Bobby Knight slapped another player, eh?  Wake me up when it's over.

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Papipoul
Nov 15, 2006
7:15 PM
I concur with an earlier similar post that Bobby Knight should coach NBA players so as to stop his antics.Many observers have been surmising Knight coaching a DENNIS RODMAN, a SPREEWELL, a MARBURY,a CHARLES BARKLEY, a RON ARTEST, a JACKSON to name a few..That scenario will be the equivalent of a 4th of July firework..Amazingly,Bobby Knight would not be STUPID ENOUGH to slap a CHARLES BARKLEY or A DENNIS RODMAN...He may be crazy but not stupid..

Last edited by Papipoul on November 15th at 7:16 PM.

FlyingPig
Nov 17, 2006
10:08 AM
I disagree with you WHOLEHEARTEDLY!!! Media types who feel that they have to inform us of the number of years they have been covering sports...are the biggest problem in my opinion. You say that you were close to this uncomfortable "slapping" by coach Knight.

Well...I have seen it disected on television about 50 times already and I have to say that you need a little time out. GIMME A BREAK...the liberal media has now spilled over into the last great bastion of journalism and that is the sports realm. Sensationalize it all you want...spin it up all you want...light your tourches and grab your pitch fork..."We gonna go get us a basketball coach!!!"

I will be the first to say that Bob Knight has stepped over the line a few times. I will say that Bob Knight has some anger issues. However, I will also say that this latest "incident" was absolutely NOTHING and has been blown up by the likes of you and most every other sports writer.

You make many general statements about age and geography and curriculum with out any type of criteria or science to back your words up. Suffice it to say that this is simply YOUR opinion and the number of years you've been covering sports really doesn't matter here. RIGHT?

Last edited by FlyingPig on November 17th at 10:15 AM.

mtcmtc33
Nov 17, 2006
10:58 AM
Johnny you sir SHOULD BE SLAPPED!

I understand you speak for all of the Big 10, that is what you said in your article. Seems a little pompous but OK!

The addiction that has a hold of Mr. Knight is that your expert medical opinion.OK!

Your reference to Lubbock sounds alot like the rambling of Rep. Rankel from N.Y that said "Who the hell would want to live in Mississippi." I don't want to play a race card but did you just say that. REALLY!

I guess you could send your son to big metro areas and have them exposed to rape, murder, drugs, abuse mentally and physically. Johnny these things are every where. Pleas get off your liberal high horse.

To the chase I am not a Knight fan, I don't live in Lubbock and don't condone abuse of any kind. It is apparent to me that you have the following problems: YES THIS IS MY EXPERT MEDICAL OPINION:

You have a personal dislike for Bobby Knight. Did he abuse you?

You are able to speak for thousand of people in the Big 10? What year were you elected?

You compare Lubbock and the fine people there to Borat and Kazakhstan? Why couldn't you just call them crazy old fashioned CRACKERS!

You sir should be slapped time and again for putting this article anywhere that another human being could read it because you sir have ABUSED your right as a journalist.




mtcmtc33
Nov 17, 2006
11:01 AM
Oh one other thing, and I don't want to be offensive but am just curious are you ####?

gcoach
Nov 17, 2006
11:43 AM
While I couldn't care less about mtcmtc33's last question for you, I agree with the gist of comments from mtcmtc33 and FP. Old school dinosaurs? Old school worked for years and years before people like you with your don't touch me, don't raise your voice to me attitude came along. Why do you think those "best players" are spoiled rotten? People like you! I notice you were quick to blast parents who sent their kids off to be abused by the belligerent old dinosaur or the contemptable ogre. Maybe they want their kids to get some old school from someone who knows the game instead of some sniveling little #### who couldn't lead fish to water. Hey, maybe the kids want to play for Bobby Knight. You obviously didn't think of that did you? "Kitties?" Us old schoolers call them cats. Of course that would be dependent on their age. Young cats us old schoolers call kittens. Sounds more mature and intelligent than a grown man talking about his "kitties" doesn't it.

Last edited by gcoach on November 17th at 11:44 AM.

dustylaker
Nov 17, 2006
12:02 PM
I agree with this writer 100%. Couldn't agree more. As for what I think about Bobby Knights supporters? Read my blog.

talkingsportsLIVE
Nov 17, 2006
12:20 PM
My jokes are just as funny as John Kerry's, but that's another column. Strip away all the "youre a #### 'cause you got kitties" crapola and you're left with this: All of you who say 'go ahead, slap my kid,' raise your hand.

How hard he slapped was hardly the point; In fact, the very idea of slapping even your kid around is dying period in the 21st Century, whether you voted for Bush or not.

And save me all of the "good ole' days" garbage, I was there and they weren't so great as today's "angry white men" make it out to be.

I guess it all comes down to a point I was trying to make in the column: There's a fine line between bullying and discipline and some folks don't know the difference.

Finally, I think your mother might have told you this, but you shouldn't slap anyone that you don't want to slap you back.



Last edited by talkingsportsLIVE on November 17th at 12:22 PM.

Papipoul
Nov 17, 2006
1:50 PM
WOWWWWWW!! This post is amazingly generating a lot of excitement today. This burning potatoe has been sitting there for the past 48 hours without anyone paying attention. Fabulous!!C'mon..That 's what blogging is about..Do not be afraid to opine on even a politically charged topic.I respect FP, MTCMT, GCOACH 's opinion..but do not insult each other, Please! "Smart individuals can agree to disagree" to repeat an old adage.

edclinch
Nov 17, 2006
2:25 PM
Go Knight. Go away from the weak namby pambies.

dustylaker
Nov 17, 2006
2:28 PM
Talking? Since you are from the midwest, a professional and feel similar to what I do would you mind going to my blog and reading "The real reason Bobby Knight is bad for the game" and letting me know if, although crude and unpolished, if my views coming from far away los angeles of your area Knight supporters are close to what you see as that professional local, to the problem history?

mtcmtc33
Nov 17, 2006
2:34 PM
Johnny,

I appreciate you responding.

Actually I said why is it so personal with Knight?

Are you a racist?

Were you elected leader of the Big 10?

Why did you attach the good people of Lubbock?

Seriously are you ####?

dustylaker
Nov 17, 2006
2:41 PM
Why is it that everytime someone disagrees with the Bobby Knight hick supporter mentality the hick responds with "are you ####?" No I'm not ####. But I don't caze if you are. This in a nutshell, is why it is hard to even consider the supporters of Knight as anything more of value than the 1950's HICK cracker mentality. If you people support Knight then Knight must be wrong.

gcoach
Nov 17, 2006
8:09 PM
You barely even mentioned the difference between bullying and discipline. This was a full scale attack on Bobby Knight and your title tells it all. What happened, did Coach Knight tell you to pi$$ off one night and now you are mad at him? You attack Knight and an entire group of people who you call old school dinosaurs. Who made you the voice of reason? I'll give Papipoul his request. I don't need to get in a pi$$ing contest with you. I haven't the time or the energy to waste arguing a subject that you are so obviously biased about. Whatever happened to objective reporting or commenting or did that go away with sports columnists? If you are going to tell us the difference between bullying and disciplne then maybe some of us would like to hear it. As for your all out attack on Bobby Knight and the old school dinosaurs, it gets older and lamer everytime I hear it.

Last edited by gcoach on November 17th at 8:25 PM.

Texascudaguy
Nov 21, 2006
11:08 PM
Again... Too much ESPN..its funny how Knight and the Prince kid had a little playful pop to the back of the head in the very next game and then walked off giggling. I'm sure they bopth know these Drama Queen bloggers and idiots like Jermey Schapp or Chris Mortneson will eat it up. Its ridiculous how many people in this country are influenced and actually beleive every stupid little thing they see on TV.

jgold72288
Nov 24, 2006
1:09 PM
If Coach Mike Kryjkdfhaugjsngurgslirhihfjdnsky down at Duke did the exact same thing, no one would care. But you need something to fill up a 24-hour sports network and ESPN found it. The fact is, the "slap" was really not all that bad. I've seen high school coaches do much worse, like yanking the face mask of an inattentive kid. Look, Knight never really "hurt" anyone. He never did any physical or mental damage and people used to coach like him all the time. People get more disciplined under him, and generally, his squads win (or at least achieve more with their athletic ability than they have any right to). Any comments I've ever read about Knight from his players are POSITIVE, because discipline is what young people, deep down inside, crave. He's made them better, successful people. This style worked in the old days back then, and it can still work now. You people remind me of those bleeding hearts that want to get rid of red pen on tests because it hurts the kids' feelings.
Oh yeah, and where the hell do you come from, because it's sure as hell not the midwest. I live in Big Ten country and almost everyone agrees that Knight was a great coach and a great man. (That's not to say he's infallible. He's made a #### of himself on occassion, especially with the chair throwing. But the goods (making kids go to class/ graduate, no scandal whatsoever, visiting little sick kids who want to meet him, etc.) far outweighs the bad.

Last edited by jgold72288 on November 24th at 1:51 PM.

talkingsportsLIVE
Nov 28, 2006
6:55 AM
I most certainly live in the midwest -- although to some societal neanderthals, Madison, WI might as well be San Francisco.

Many have brought up Coach K -- that is, if he did the same thing, nobody would have said boo. Okay, and if someone other than OJ wrote a book about how he did it, maybe it wouldn't be as creepy, but it is what it is.

Again, how hard Knight slapped the kid is hardly the issue. In this day and age, if you admit that it's perfectably acceptable for another adult to strike your child, you are in the minority.

talkingsportsLIVE
Nov 30, 2006
2:57 PM
One more thing...yes, Knight did win three titles at Indiana, but John Wooden won 10 with UCLA and treated his players with class and dignity. In short, a better coach and better human being -- what a concept!

dustylaker
Dec 21, 2006
10:59 AM
I can think of something silly britney can do with me. Anyhow you said email you? what's your email? Or you can email me at velvetproductions.com

bayoudog
Dec 21, 2006
11:44 AM
You call that a slap... ####... come down to Louisiana and I'll take you a swamp tour and smack the hell out of ya and show you a slap that will make your daddy look like pee wee herman... these kids today need a foot in the #### not a kiss on the cheek

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John Shivers is in his 25th season as a journalist -- for the least two years producing and hosting a funk music show -- Back In The Day w/ Johnny Rasta -- on WSUM 91.7FM Madison, WI. Started in radio as a Morning Sports Reporter and Late Night DJ with WMAD 92FM. Served a quarter-centu
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