The Floyd Flip Flop will someday be as famous as the Fosbury Flop, or maybe as infamous as the other is famous. The Fosbury Flop is a method used in the high jump while the Floyd Flip Flop is the method that Floyd Landis is using to defend himself from the terrible accusations that he "doped" while participating in the Tour de France. Landis was interviewed by Matt Lauer on the NBC Today Show Monday and in it he said he did not ingest anything that would cause his high testosterone level. Then last night on the Jay Leno show, he said that one theory is that he may have ingested something that would cause these high levels.
Floyd, get your story straight. You are blaming the press because you can not come up with theories to match the information being leaked and then you go and refute everything you say in one interview on the very next one. Does anyone really believe he is innocent after hearing him defend himself on national television? I don't. At least Lance Armstrong has always steadfastly maintained his innocence and never changed his answers on his potential doping whereas Floyd can't keep his stories straight. Would his attorneys please keep him off of television too. He has the worst "poker" face. He just looks all nervous and guilty when he speaks. Oh well, it's not like they are going after him for tax evasion.
Landis is guilty. Strip the title. Laugh at him. Make fun of him. Blog about him. Make him retire. That should teach him a lesson about cheating. Well, check me out. I've got myself a question of the week! Try http://community.foxsports.com/blog s/FootballDude34 and you might get something. The beginning of the future, VOICES.
Ed, I want nothing more than to believe him, but he has been so inconsistent with his stories that it makes me believe he is lying. I watched him on the Today show say, "I did not ingest anything." And now he says on Leno, maybe I ingested something. He can not have it both ways.
I like your blog about Floyd Landis, because it's true he always changes his story. The more he changes is story he gives more people reason not to believe any word that he say's.
And thank's for giving me your website address, I will be visiting it. My website is www.fanofsports.blogspot.com
If you define cheating as doing something against the rules, then yes, I believe Landis cheated.
If you define cheating as doing something that puts you on a higher competitive level, then no, Landis did not cheat, because a healthy portion of those cyclists were "cheating" as well.
Personally, I think if they're going to test, they should test everyone after every lap (I think they use "lap" in cycling, I'm not sure). Either that, or not test at all, which you know I personally would prefer.
Lance got away with it, and Landis probably will too. Cycling is a joke of a sport.. the daredevils doing all the outrageous stuff on Xgames last week, which by the way barely got any mention online by Fox or ESPN, are better athletes than these guys so why is their so much hype every year over a race named after another country in a sport with testing guidelines no better than say a liquor store would test its employees for blood alcohol levels.. This sport is just like MLB. if the testing was accurate they would have to kick out half the teams, and a lot of people would lose a lot of money.. Money runs the USA and that includes sports. The days of people that do it for the love of the game are getting fewer and further between
I don't get how Landis could test negative on 4 previous tests, and then test 4 times the normal reading for testosterone on the day he wins a critical stage, then tests normal again two days later. The body's endocrine system does not work that way. Besides, testoterone takes weeks to have a positive effect on performance. Most cyclists get busted for EPO which increases oxygen carrying capability of the blood. I don't trust the UCI testing organization, they hate Americans, as they showed with Armstrong, who was tested-and passed- more than any other racer, yet they came back 6 years later and tried to claim his 1999 sample had dope in it. Give me a break. I am not saying that Landis is definately innocent, but I am saying that the testing organization is not exactly credible either.
Yeah I actually watched the Leno show last night. Why do these guys do this to themselves? It will always mistify me that they do such stupid things. WHo is this guy's legal team anyways? Deny, Deny, Deny is always the advice given to these types of things. How about just admit your guilty and move on. It is always worse to prolong it and act like everything is peachy.
LSU, the reason they go on these show is to solidy their fame or infamy, you choose.
Samfatboy, it does not make sense that tests prior to that day were negative or ones after that date were negative unless he took testosterone. His body would have cleared it out over a 24 hour period of time. By the way, you are correct that it would not give him any real physical advantage, but mentally it gave him the boost he needed to ride like a bat out of hell. There is no explanation for a spike except taking something. As for the labs, the UCI did not test Lance and find him positive, the French Newspaper took his 1999 sample and tested it. Had the UCI tested it, Lance might be in trouble, but they are out of samples now from that date. Also, I would add that a sample that is 6 years old may have degraded, but they were looking for EPO, not testosterone in Lance.
If Floyd Landis cheated, he should be stripped of his title and banned for life. Is nothing sacred in sports anymore? It seems every sport nowadays gets rocked by a doping scandal.
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Socal Sportsfan
You are right, UCI did not test, it was the newspaper, but how did the newspaper get the sample? They are supposed to be confidential and protected. Hmmm, if a sample could get into the hands of a newspaper, who else could get their hands on one? I am not a chemist or sports physiologist, but there are several other blogs out there, by lab rats, that raise the question of how long it takes the body to process testosterone, and how long it takes for testosterone/epitestosterone ratios to change. All of them question the short term spike in the Landis' samples. Nobody in the press, or elsewhere has sufficiently addressed this issue.
Sam, I agree that the Newspaper obtained the sample illegally or at the very least inappropriately. I would also argue that in all doping cases the information is leaked by someone who is either paid or wants a minute of fame. Look at how Barry Bonds has been treated without one positive test, but yet sealed Grand Jury testimony is leaked to two journalists so they can write a book. That is a crime, but no one that I have seen has taken issue with that except me on my blog. I have defended Lance in that his whole situation was handled wrongly as is Bonds, but both probably did take PE's.
As for Floyd, he is his own worst enemy. If he never injected or took something, then he should stick with that statement, but instead he says one minute he did not ingest, and in the next breath he says, "maybe I ingested something." As for your so called experts, if you inject synthetic testosterone, your levels will go up immediately. A similar analysis is if you drink alcohol, our levels will go up in your blood immediately. In 24 hours, they will be gone. Your liver is amazing.
LSU, I am with you, and while you have his pants down, take out a big paddle and beat the heck out of him.
Socal, it seems to have gotten to the point where he can't even remember what it is he's supposed to be saying today. I think that must be due to his Mennonite upbringing - he's still new to this "lying through your teeth" thing. I'm sure that with practice, he'll get just as good as everyone else....
He's on everything. Let's get over him already! Sorry for any incovienecies, but I am now Chorizo245, so come check me out there as I won't be using this much longer. Thank you.
Socal Not so long ago we'd have been saying that Landis was being persecuted by the French as they couldn't handle the fact that another American had usurped them in their favorite outdoor spectacle. But Landis has proved to us and the nation in particular that he's just not that credible. His lack of a forthright answer when facing Leno last night was incredulous. If Leno had been much harder on him dare I say he'd have ended up crying like a child that had been found out. He's got an uphill battle to prove his innocence and I doubt that the CAS will lean favorably with regard to his accounts and explanations.
Can you say 'dead man walking' ?
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How can you have multiple tests over the course of years as well as MANY tests during the same event all show up negative and then all of a sudden there is a single positive test result?
Taking steroids mid race is not going to instantly bulk you up and make you win anything. If people honestly believe that they are insane.
I'm not big on conspiracy theories... Oswald did kill Kennedy and Roswell is nothing more than a military base however I firmly believe this is being done by the French intentionally because they are quite upset that an American has won this race for virtually a decade.
This is a country who tried to smear the repuation of Armstrong as well as a country of people who were SPITTING on him as he rode by.
If I had to wager, My money would be on a spiked sample by the French to discredit another American victory.
It's laughable that he woke up and said hey, let me take some steroids today, by noon I'll be superman!
teye is right. steriods are going to improve your performance so why take them. and after lance's mess you really think landis is going to mess around. and after all these test only one has steriods, and why did they wait till after he won to accuse him. (im not sure on this one but i believe the 2nd place finisher is french). believe landis or the french.
I agree with Italy's laws that make it a crime to use performance enhancing drugs. In this case, it's stealing a lot more than a jersey.
Even my friend who traveled to France to be a part of the scene lost something of value.
For me, it calls into question the legitimacy of the whole pro sports scene. Greed, competition, and winning at all costs. What ever happened to just playing for the fun of it?
SoCal, I believed he was innocent and that this was just another French attempt to try and discredit an American Cyclist from the prize as many tried with Lance Armstrong.
Then I saw both his interviews and thought the same thing you did. One being "geez this guy cant speak straight to save his own life much less clear his name", and the second being that he has the worst lawyers in the world because he either should have been prepared better or denied TV appearances because of his performance during those preps, because as you said he is just making himself sound guilty as hell and his facial expressions add to that.
NBa, eye, Oscar Pereori is Spanish not French. He will be given the title. As for taking steroids midstream, it will not help physically, but it will mentally. As to why he did it, why do robbers rob banks. By your reasoning, then Barry Bonds is innocent and its all a conspiracy. No positive tests and everyone hates him. No my friends, we can never guess why anyone does what they do, but two samples were positive, not one, and he has no alibi. In a court of law, he would be found guilty. In a court of public opinion, he would be found guilty. Only those who want to hold out for the goodness of mankind and somehow do not want an American found guilty still hold out hope.
bonds is guilty no doubt. landis anyone have real proof except ny media and we defently know there not lying. and how in hell would it help mentally, all you would be thinking is i hope i dont get caught. its not that hard to create a posotive test. the odds are still on landis's side no matter what the french say. and with bonds you dont go from skinny to monster. are you french?
It is so easy to condemn Bonds who has never tested positive. The facts are that Bonds weighs considerably more than he did when he was 20. I weigh 50 pounds more than I did when I was 20. That proves nothing. He has been tested many many times and always tests positive, yet you can accept the word of the reporters for the San Fran Chronicle. Landis has tested positive twice. We don't have to figure out what he was thinking to say he is guilty. The tests say he did it. He changes his story every five minutes, and Bonds has been saying the same thing all along. I am not French, I am American. I think Bonds used steroids, but I can't prove it. I believe Landis used, and he was caught. You can continue to live in a fantasy land LA NBA fan but it won't change the facts. Landis will lose his title. This is not France hating America. If they were going to conspire to stop anyone, it would have been Lance, but they never did that. Common Sense man, use it.
Socal, did you notice they put the link back for the comments sections? You can once again read the work of those that post comments to your blog. Now lets hope the pic feature is corrected.
My bad, pictures are back in affect as well. It seems Foxsports does listen!
where the hell is yours MAN!!!!!!!! bonds didnt only gain weight he bulked up more then his frame can handle unless you use drugs, i have the same frame young bonds had and i also do a good amount of body building and it is impossible to get that big for this type of frame. a trainer will tell you this, a body builder will tell you this, even a person with a small frame will tell you this, common sense MAN!!!!!!!! and for landis give me something that some #### in a ny newspaper did not write. use some common sense
NBA, you are a naive #### if you refuse to accept "test" results. It is not a NY newspaper, it is a reputable test lab. This same lab never went after Armstrong, but did find Landis guilty. Who do you think the French hate more. IF they wanted to set some one up, it would have beenArmstrong. Grow up.
test results are confidental how did the ny newspaper get the results, last time i checked test labs aint running any news stands. im not saying landis is completely inociont he might have used drugs he might have not. i just want some real facts, not just one test result that happens to apear after his victory but before his great run. i aint saying nothing, you have your opionion i have mine. im just hoping for the best. not the worst.
Socalsports I've been reading some of the latest responses to the subject on your blog....where have some of these guys been ?
They seem to be not taking into account some of the evidence put forward or are just deem it too illogical to understand.
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NBAfan, hoping for the best is one thing, ignoring facts is another. I completely agree leaked results are no good, but it does not change the results. The results were later confirmed by the authorities and Landis himself. His team fired him. These are facts. Why do you believe leaked results about Bonds. He has never, never, never tested positive and the only word you have is from a lying mistress and reporters. You trust those reporters but not the NY times? Weird.
Tophat, heads are buried in the sand.
Hoffman, I belive that JWIll has incorporated a style into his persona, but he did not pick that up culturally from living in WV. I lived up there for a year growing up as a kid. I speak from facts I know, not anything esle that was said on that post. I think using derogatory terms by some is not appropriate, but I do believe some of JWill is a put on.
Just want to ask if you can check out what I just wrote called 'What would you do'. You are probably familiar with the story I talked about. Would love to get your thoughts Socal. Cheers!
what facts? one failed drug test that appears before his run. what if the teststarone is some medicine, or food/liqued he consumed. that could be a fact. how much does one failed drug drug test really prove. the drug test could have benn contamnated. there are so many options, if they find just a little more proof on him i'll say he did do drugs. i would rather have him say he's guilty then go thru this.
NBA, it was not one failed test, it was two samples tested independently, then retested to prove that the high levels came from an outside source. Besides, if he ingested it or it could come from that way, he has denied that. He has said he never ingested anything that could cause this. Now he has flipped, hence the point of this post, and said maybe he did ingest something. Of course realizing that means he did put it into his system either intentionally or unintentionally, he now says he did not ingest anything. Make up your mind Landis, and for that matter you too NBA. Choose to believe whatever you want, but the facts say he did it.
It seems obvious that Landis' command of the English language isn't that comprehensive, otherwise he'd be able to explain himself a lot more clarity and not be stumbling with his answers.
He reminds me of Howard Stern's ex co host 'Stuttering Dave'' or is it 'Ed ' ?
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nbafan Not just one test was conducted, there were two. Only one sample taken and seperated for the two independent tests. That's the way it's coonducted under the rules set by the WADA and the ICU and administered by the laboratory in question.
The ignominity here is Landis' reluctance to be truthful hence the ever changing statements and explanations being made by him. He's not been consistent with his answers at any time.
There were four tests on two samples. Two were tests for epitestosterone/testosterone ratios both tests came back with exceedingly high ratios. Then there were two more tests on these two samples called a carbon isotope test which checks to see if the testosterone was synthetic or normal. In those two tests it came back positive that the testosterone was synthetic.
NBA, even Landis' attorney and personal physician have confirmed that these tests are accurate, they are stumbling to find a way to explain the high results, but they do not deny they are false nor have they said the lab is a bad lab. They have hinted at someone giving him something, to beer, to stress, to dehydration, to naturally occurring, but never the lab fixed the results. The results are admitted by all as fact. His own team fired him. If you have any facts which clear him, share them. I understand, he is an American and we all want him to be clean, but he isn't.
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Socal I can tell you this for starters I never thought from the outset that Landis was innocent. He was too naive and secretive from the start and the fact that Phonak almost immediately fired him from the led me to believe that they never had any faith in his pleas of innocence. I certainly hope that the punishment is immediate and swift. Unfortunately though it'll be dragged out either in the court system or in front of the arbitrary CAS whose judgement will be binding. A 5 year ban would seem appropriate don't you think ?
Tophatal, from the morning I woke up and saw he won back all but 30 seconds from that 8+ minute deficit, I thought he was guilty. Now proving it is another thing, but the urine tests did not lie. I do not believe he is being set up, because if the French wanted to set anyone up it would have been Armstrong, and they never did. Newspapers made accusations, but no labs while he was riding said he tested positive.
As for Landis, no matter how long it takes with the arbitrators, his legacy is tainted. I do not care if they ban him or not. His team has deserted him, his fans are doubting him, and he will never win a Tour de France which is the race that matters most. His hip needs replacing and he will be lucky to be in a Schwinn shop selling bikes when this is all over.
landis's comments were not conclusions, they were posibilties on what might of happened, there was only one test that was tested twice(sampled). im not saying landis is not guilty and im not saying he is, i just want more facts, not one test than could have been contaminated, lied about the steriods, or even could have been a body function from something he did.
NBA, you need to learn what tests are and what samples are. They ran four tests, count them, four, on two samples. The samples were taken at the same time. So if you mean he was tested once as in they took urine at one time, then that is correct, but they ran four tests on that urine at two different dates in time. Two were tests for ratios and the other two tests were to confirm the presence of synthetic steroids which means they were not naturally occurring. This shoots down all of the scenarios that his body made it.
this will be my last comment. i dont know what really happened. he might be guilty he might not be guilty. i hope he isnt guilty, i like cycling, but you might be right. the truth is we really dont know what happened or at least for the most part, until they get some more dirt. I'm full of it. have a good day. im 17 years old. i might check back
NBA fan, I can agree with everything you said in your last comment. Being 17 is fine too, just thought you had to be young based on several comments. thanks for the conversation.
