I’m one of those people who just have never liked sequels. Or remakes, for that matter. Once I’ve seen a movie, the sequel(s) usually turn out to be more of the same, and don’t live up to the hype. Sure, there are a few exceptions: Back To The Future II was pretty good, but that was planned from the get-go. Although the third installment, true to form, left something to be desired. All three Final Destination flicks were pretty good, too, if you like that genre. There are a few others-very few. But I stopped after the second Rocky, the first Rambo, and the first Lethal Weapon. I guess I just didn’t see the point. My kids did convince me to watch the remake of When A Stranger Calls about a year ago. Having seen the original, the second offering was a waste of time. Even they thought so, and they hadn’t seen the first one. But want to.
As the Phoenix Suns are once again flying high, though the recent back to back losses have them sitting at 11-4, (yawn), I can’t help but think that we’ve seen this all before. As usual, their big three of Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudemire will guarantee that they are one of the more formidable teams in the league, and a joy to watch. And again, their top seven players-add in Raja Bell, Grant Hill, Leandro Barbosa, and Boris Diaw-are probably as good as anybody’s. Throw in Brian Skinner, who has been a pleasant surprise in the middle with his athleticism, shot blocking, and ability to connect from mid-range AND the free throw line, and you have an eight man squad that I’d put money on against anyone. Just as I would have on last year’s eight. Problem is, NBA teams are allowed to dress 12. Which most nights are wasted wages to those who collect a paycheck for laundering the Suns’ jerseys.
That wasn’t the case in the preseason or the first couple weeks of the season. As head coach Mike D’Antoni does every year, he gave decent minutes to backup point guard Marcus Banks, frontliner Sean Marks, and sniper Eric Piatkowski. And the team’s two rookies, D.J. Strawberry and Alando Tucker, saw significant time in the preseason, adding an energy on both ends of the court that stuck out like a sore thumb. Tucker was recently sent to the developmental league, and Strawberry may be headed there too in the not-to-distant future. I have a hard time believing that another team as much in need of young, quick guard play as the Suns are wouldn’t be able to find a spot for these guys in the rotation.
It appears that D’Antoni’s main problem with Marcus Banks is that he’s not Steve Nash. But nobody is. And after some steady performances and a solid game against the Kings just over a week ago, in which he was leading the break, throwing some no-look passes, and playing solid defense, Banks hasn’t seen the floor. In the same time, Nash’s average minutes per game have risen slightly, from around 33 prior to just under 36 since. And while Nash is playing at an unbelievable level right now, there are still 60-plus games to go. This is not an indictment of Nash, but everyone knows that, while in excellent condition, he would be best served by scaling back on the playing time a bit. Common sense would say that an average of around 30-32 minutes per game, and 16-18 for Banks, would serve both players much better come May. But unfortunately, I’ve seen this before. It won’t happen.
Grant Hill was immediately anointed a starter upon his inking the contract, and I’m not sure why. Not that he doesn’t have a starter’s ability, but his current average of 35 minutes per game-we’re still in November-doesn’t bode well for the spring. The optimum situation would have been bringing Hill off the bench for 20-25 minutes, to keep him and everyone else relatively fresh throughout the season. But as we have seen, a definite pattern has been established. A prequel, if you will.
Today, D’Antoni lamented in the East Valley Tribune (www.eastvalleytribune.com) that his team doesn’t seem to be enjoying themselves much these days. While they’re still winning, they don’t have the enthusiasm of the team from three years ago. Which is somewhat understandable, since the pressure then was almost non-existent compared to now. But at the same time, a deeper rotation and an infusion from the bench, including the afore-mentioned rookies, could do nothing but help the overall attitude. He went on to say that his team was playing uptight and without the free flowing energy of years past. Hey coach, you think it’s bad now? Wait until the end of the season, when those top seven or eight guys on your roster have the off-season in the back of their mind so they can get some rest. You no longer have to defend yourself when it comes to your style of play. We saw last year you have no qualms about going head to head with Dallas or San Antonio. Nor do you have to explain your team’s lack of consistent defense. It has shown that, in a big game, it can play it when it has to-provided you have all yours weapons at your disposal. More on that to follow. But, as has been written by yours truly in this space in the past, you have yet to answer the shallow bench criticism. And therein lies the problem.
Three years ago, the revamped Suns sprinted to the best record in the league, but lost to the Spurs in the conference finals, even though Stoudemire was a beast, averaging 37 points per game. A healthy Joe Johnson, who broke his face against Dallas in the previous round, may have helped. But not to worry. This was a team on the rise. Two years ago, Stoudemire was on the shelf and two new starters were replacing Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson. But despite all the doom and gloom predictions, and thanks to Nash’s second MVP season and a season for the ages from Shawn Marion, the overachieving Suns once again slipped into the conference finals, where they lost to the Mavericks in six games. We could’ve done without Raja Bell pulling a calf muscle, though. Especially since the rotation was already stretched about as thin as could be. Last season, I was convinced that the Suns were getting over the hump. Their two long winning streaks, their late season erasure of a 15 point fourth quarter deficit at Dallas to win in overtime, and their victory at San Antonio in game four of their series after trailing by 11 midway through the fourth told me the Suns were tough, hungry, and ready. Well, at least eight of them were. But when the eight became six, they came up short yet again. Even in game five, without Stoudemire and Diaw, the Suns led throughout until late in the fourth. Then they ran out of gas. Kind of like a sequel that tries to thrive off the previous edition. It just never seems to work.
Perhaps next off-season, the trade rumors regarding Shawn Marion will be replaced by the search for a new coach. Which would make a lot more sense. Without Marion, the Suns are no better than a five seed. After all, the Suns have won with a ####ed-up-Nash. They’ve won without Stoudemire. But without the ever-durable and supremely consistent Marion, they would be at a loss. And without D’Antoni? Who knows. But his window, if not the Suns', is about to be closed for maintenance. I know. I've already seen this movie.
I agree that most sequels are a waste of time, though there are rare instances where they work. Even though the second "Wayne's World" reused a lot of the jokes from the first one, it was still a pretty funny movie in its own right. I didn't think the third "Back to the Future" was that bad either.
As for the Suns, I wish D'Antoni would heed your advice. Finishing with the best record doesn't matter if you're going to be worn out for the Playoffs. I'm not a Suns fan, but after this incredible run they've been on the last few years I'd like to see them get at least one championship to show for it.
ian-I have nothing against D'Antoni's coaching style, other than the depth issue. What really emphasized the point is that he more than anyone should have learned over the past few years that you need to go deeper than eight. Same stuff, different year. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Hey Ricko, I feel your frustration. So does the crowd at AmWest. The excitement level is way below last year for both the team and the fans.
I would like to believe that injuries have played a part in the rotations, but that should mean just the opposite by letting the full roster get playing time. Nash is pressing (too many TO's) and Amare still can't get a call. Marion is the one who's carrying the team right now. As a team, they only played one good game so far. Perhaps expectations are too high.
Why can't they keep winning and use the complete roster? Lack-luster defense.
sorry this is so jumbled...keep getting interupted
what is it going to take for the suns management to realize the biggest obstacle this team has is that their coach refuses to use his bench to keep guys fresh?
i hadnt heard they sent tucker to the D-league, or that strawberry may be headed there as well. that's just stupid, and to make matters worse, they're playing grant hill 30-some minutes a game?
i guess i can understand starting him, so he doesnt get stiffer than the other 70 year olds in the stands watching the game, but at this rate he'll be on social security by christmas. of course, maybe d'antoni just figures he'll be injured and out for the season by then anyway...
at least the suns arent like the bucks...beat cleveland, LA and dallas within a week, then turn around and get blown out of the building by philly and atlanta (and i've got $20 that says the knicks unload on them and win by 30).
pump-commentus interruptus, huh? Yeah, I hate when that happens. Those pesky tasks at work can really get in the way, can't they.
I'm as big a Suns fan as their is, but I'm also a realist, and expectations should be high. Unfortunately, I don't think D'Antoni can live up to them. Like I've said before, if they don't win it this year, I get someone in here who can. The current core has what, two more years after this at the most? And I extend Marion's deal NOW. If they fall short, I'd also move Diaw and get whatever you can for him. But it's a Catch-22. You have to have a coach who'll play some depth, and with D'Antoni it's proven to be a moot point.
pump-Just finished watching the Suns/Magic game. I was thinking of your comment about Amare not getting any calls. I'll guess that you watched it too, and Dwight Howard is on the verge of becoming the next Michael Jordan. Or Shaq. As in officials looking the other way and creating a superstar. Holy freaking cow. I've never seen a player in the NBA push people around, I mean literally push people around, like Howard does. No wonder he's hard to handle. Can you imagine what Stoudemire would do with the same carte blanche? Wow.
The #1 seed, and home-court advantage in the Western Conference is EXTREMELY important. Take a look at the road records of San Antonio, Dallas and Utah if you disagree. D'Antoni is right to aspire to the #1 seed and I support using whatever 'minutes' he needs to from his starters, or top 7 or 8, to achieve that.
Having said that, we all know that the Suns are a STRONG team and frequently blow out weaker opponents. It is in these games that the starters should be rested, once the game is in hand. It's true that at the pace the Suns play, a 20 point lead is like a 10 point lead for slower paced teams, but I agree that in these types of games the bench should be emptied, and those players allowed to improve their skills on an NBA floor.
"The #1 seed, and home-court advantage in the Western Conference is EXTREMELY important."
Uh, no, it's not. But thanks for stopping by.
Take a look at Dallas last year. And the Suns having home court vs. the Spurs. Home court is overrated. Give me ten or eleven guys that can play and I'll feel pretty good anywhere.
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Ricko, it seems to me that as teams get better; and some bigger, defense and rebounding is becoming a bigger issue for the Suns.
I also think their lack of defense has made Stoudemire foul-call prone; even when he is trying to play D.
Just like I said Yao's perception for being soft has made him subject to be hack acrossed the wrist and have it called a turnover; Phoenix lack of defense has put stoudemire in a position to take a clean swipe at the ball, or clean block and still have a foul called. That how it is in the NBA. Though I think they are a(slightly better than Thomas) big man from really contending for a ring.
On a side note. I really have a lack of respect for guys that give 1 teams years of injury prone crappy service; just to come back playing quality minutes for a championship caliber team. Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning are the first 2 to come to mind. At least Houston was going to attempt to return to the Knicks. Lord knows, he owe them that much.
lyrikell-You could be right about Stoudemire's reputation. Though he made a huge block late in the game and blocked Howard's dunk earlier in the fourth. That was a play to see, let me tell ya. And while I hated to see Thomas go at the time, I'm totally surprised that Skinner gives the Suns what Thomas did and then some. But as I stated in this post, I've watched the Suns extensively since I don't remember when, and their head coach is the only reason they haven't won a title, for the reasons I pointed out.
As for Alonzo Mourning, I remember when he was the best center in the league for a few years. And I won't hold his heart and other injury problems against him. I think he's proven to be the real deal. Regarding Hill, I have two thoughts; I understand Magic fans', and other's, frustration toward him. But I seldom say him play the last few years, so I don't have a legit response. But I do remember his early years, and I always thought he was a classy guy. I could be wrong. Secondly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he misses a significant amount of games this year. There was a graphic during tonight's Suns game that showed that he has played no more than 20 straight games in the last three seasons, or something like that. Again, I could be wrong, but with D'Antoni playing him the minutes that he has, I can't see him holding up very well. Like I said, I've seen it before.
CAMike-I appreciate the point you're trying to make. Home court advantage is important-to some extent. But let's look at a few facts. Since you specified the western conference, we'll focus on that. Last year, the Mavs had home court, and the Suns were second. We know what happened to the Mavs, as they lost to the eighth seeded Warriors. Coming in at #3 was the Spurs, and we know how that turned out. And no, I don't think Popovich was overly concerned with home court. His team was ready come playoff time. Especially Horry, who had been practicing his forechecking in case his team got punked at home. You know, gave up an 11 point lead in the fourth quarter or something. Which would have put the Spurs up 3-1.
Anyway, I think it's all about preparing your team for adversity, for your opponents, and for a stretch run. Not playing your main guys a bunch of minutes to get to the end-of-the-season finish line first. Like I said, I've seen that scenario. It means nothing.
Last edited by ricko on November 30th at 11:25 PM.
Ah Ricko, nice to see that you put up this blog at just the right time, so that fellow teammates NASHTYBALL, PUMPDUDE, and CUZIFFER don't get all too excited way too soon.
When you SUNS fans talk amonngst yourselves about the SUNS, you actually all make a lot of sense.
Then all that stops when the Lakers come into the picture.
Boy would I love to be in a room with all four of you guys (throw in Jazz man AK47SPIDEY as well) going at it full-force debate-style like Kornheiser and Wilbon.
The season is young. The Lakers are slightly better than last year at 9-7 only for the simple fact that Bynum and Farmar are coming and Odom is most likely going to another team real soon.
The Suns, meanwhile, are doing what they usually do. Beating up on the weaker teams, getting outrebounded by the elite teams. No surprises at 11-4 and among the leaders in scoring.
What D'Antoni doesn't realize is that in the playoffs regular season records don't matter and what matters is how your team fares against the elite teams. In the postseason, you won't play the Seattles, the Atlantas, the Milwaukees. Instead you face the Utahs, San Antonios, Dallas's, Houstons.
How does your team fare against the big dogs is the question. And if you don't utilize your depth, chance are you won't beat the deeper teams.
Once again, J-Dizz, I have always been a realist when talking about the Suns. And always try to "make sense." If you can find an example to the contrary, I'm all ears.
Regarding the Suns, they have very well against the big dogs in recent years. But fall just short for the reasons I outlined. And I said as early as last post-season that D'Antoni should have no more margin for error. Hopefully that made sense in your eyes.
Funny how you mention cuziffer as a Suns fan. He's a Bucks fan actually, so I think it's rather shallow of you to classify him just because he is sane enough to see that your constant drivel about the Lakers' aptitude is transparent.
One last thing; just who in the heck do you think is going to take Odom off your hands? Hell, if you could get even a third round pick, I'd jump on it with three feet. Guess you weren't "making sense" when you sang his praises for the longest time, huh?
Phoenix Suns coach Mike D'Antoni looks like a younger version of King Friday from Mr. Rogers. Rumor has it that D'Antoni is the love child of King Friday and heir to the Throne of The Land of Make-Believe. for this reason, I do not like the guy. I know, it's a shallow reason to dislike someone, but that King was a tyrant. He ruled the Land of Make Believe with an iron fist. So to Hell with Mike D'Antoni, Steve Nash, and the Phoenix Suns in general.
midnitecowboy-Shallow? Nah, just typical reasoning from a cowboy fan. Be careful where you tread, or I just may have to open up a verbal can of you-know-what on your sorry #### and your sorry team.
Well it's a bit shocking that you would answer a bit-o-humor with the "threat of the wrath" comment.
Funny that you can be the protoypical #### to Cowboy fans (which I can take in stride), and be so "sensitive" to their posting a harmless comment on your blog. Go figure. I couldn't help but notice you were all under the Suns nuts last season like sweat in a sauna. Suns fans are the prototypical little bed wetters who, like the Cardinals fans, think a new season brings redemption. Go ahead ... be a jerk about it. I have been nothing but polite on any blog I've visited. Your behavior is uncalled for.
Go ahead oh mighty spiter, spite me. This makes about 1,000 great people I've met in my short time here... only one azzz. Great distinction you have there. Kinda separates yourself from the crowd.
"So to Hell with Mike D'Antoni, Steve Nash, and the Phoenix Suns in general."
Nothing but polite? Midnite Cowboy: I'd say you were justly slam dunked.
Getting back on topic for a bit... The whole issue of D'Antoni I, II and III can only be called into question because of the Suns playoff record. I know were supposed to be big boys, not make excuses and deal with adversity, but Mike and the Suns have had some TOUGH breaks in each of those 3 playoff runs.
Are we really ready to pull a SD Chargers move and call for D'Antoni's ouster this soon? I say we play OUR game another year and show everyone that this style of ball CAN win a title in the NBA.
Pie in the sky? maybe... that's still up for debate, but we are a helluva lot more fun to watch than teams like the Spurs, and every bit as competitive.
CAMike-I didn't feel like getting into it w/that midnite fella. You stated a pretty good example as to why.
Re: the Suns. I have written many times that D'Antoni's style CAN win. I have no doubt about it. But he constantly harps about getting an eight man rotation set, which is all fine and dandy. Unless something happens. Which has three straight years. They could very well win it all this year, but I'm just sayin' . . .
Being in California makes it difficult to know what the fans feel in the arena. I thought it was odd that D'Antoni called them out for not 'being excited.' Is there a large groundswell of "this year or else" among the locals?
I don't think so. Many of them are probably just waiting for the post-season. But I think there is a large portoin of the fan base that see it as I do. There is no excuse that Nash or Hill should be playing the minutes they do. Or Marion, for that matter. D'Antoni can't use the excuse of a thin bench-this is fourth full season, and if he hasn't acquired bench players he feels comfortable with by now, he never will. Banks and the rookies I mentioned should be playing more. They've got fresh legs and can get after it defensively, not to mention they can score a little.
ricko
I've a new post up alluding to the postion that Ditka now finds himself in as a so called advocate of the retired players.
I don't know that you've heard about the allegations concerning him and his charities. But check out my latest piece titled I Take From The Needy To Give To The Greedy But At Least I Don't Pocket The Dough !
Let me know what you think as to the merits of the piece ?
I'll look forward to reading your comments.
Spent half my life in North Dakota. The other half, so far, in the Valley of the Sun. As a kid, I was always playing, watching, reading, or writing about sports. I lost most of the "playing" along the way, but the rest remains the same. I pledge to refrain from commenting on a blog unless I've read it in its entirety. If I have time, of course.
Carry on.
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