But It's A DRY Heat . . .
by: ricko
This Is Damage Control To Major Shawn. You've Really Made The Grade . . .
Oct 02, 2007 | 11:47PM | report this

{Or, for those of you not familiar with the David Bowie number, I’ll translate the title: “Moving Marion Would Mark Beginning of End for Suns”}

 

The Phoenix Suns’ 2007-08 marketing campaign carries a heavy dose of the phrase “Planet Orange,” though it was unsure as this went to press whether the team was referring to one of the Suns’ colors, along with purple, or the area’s lucrative citrus yield. Suns forward extraordinaire Shawn Marion made it public recently that he would like to be traded, citing a weariness of being mentioned in trade rumors during the last few off-seasons. Contrary to popular opinion, there’s not always fire where there’s smoke, but to think the team hasn’t at least had a serious discussion or two on the matter would be naïve. Which can be taken one of two ways; the Suns think that swapping Marion for a player or two would ease their financial situation, or that the rest of the league thinks enough of the Suns highest paid player that a plethora of inquiries have been made regarding his availability.  

 

It would be easy to criticize Marion in this situation, as some of his recent comments may have been a little hard for Suns fans to ####, such as “It’s like a bad marriage. It doesn’t matter who’s right or wrong, both people should just move on,” or, when asked if he was excited about the prospect of joining the Lakers, replied, “Why wouldn’t I be? You have a great organization, a great ownership there with the Lakers.” And when you sharpen your pencil and devise a Matrix with the following given equations--Kobe Bryant has requested to be moved from the Lakers more than once due to a poor, feebly-run management, and Marion’s apparent desire to play with Bryant and his “great organization,”--the contradiction screams louder than the rim does after a half-court alley-oop from Steve Nash to the outstretched right arm of a soarrrrrrrring Marion, floating in a most peculiar way.

 

 

Yes, the comments were a little much. However, I for one will cut Marion some slack, due to the frequency and significance of deposits he has made into the appreciation account, so to speak. In other words, considering the comments came from a player who was picked out of UNLV as a relatively unheralded first rounder, (if that’s possible for the ninth overall pick--hire THAT scout as your next GM, sports fans), then worked his rear end off to be the best small forward in the game today, whether the Suns were an also-ran or a playoff team, he gets the benefit of the doubt here. Hard to imagine what this team would be without him.  

 

With Amare Stoudemire out for the ’05-’06 season and two other starters from the previous year’s western conference finals team gone-Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson-most pundits wrote the Suns off. But after a season in which Marion reached rarified air-more on that later-they found themselves in the conference finals again. A perfect example of Marion’s worth came just prior to that, during the second round playoff series against the Clippers, when Marion guarded point guard Sam Cassell one game and power forward Elton Brand the next. He also spent a significant amount of time defending Corey Magette. It’s also worth noting that he averaged 25.6 PPG and 12.6 RPG in that series. Is there a player in the league whom you would trade Marion for that would be as adept at carrying out these assignments? Maybe a couple. And could one argue that Marion is more valuable to the Suns than Stoudemire? Perhaps. 

 

 (Obligatory statistics paragraph to follow. Please bear with me). Many have said that the addition of Steve Nash prior to the 2003-04 season has inflated Marion’s value, and that Marion is a “product of the system.” I won’t address the latter because, in a team sport, how many athletes’ productions are NOT results of the system? Very few. As for the former statement, let’s ponder that more closely. Over the three year period before Nash joined the Suns, 2001-2004, Marion scored 4741 points in 242 games. In the three seasons since, Marion has scored 4761 points in 241 games. Note the consistency in those numbers for a minute, and take note of his games played in all six of those seasons: 81,81,79,81,81,80, with more than one of those games missed being a late season rest. Marion’s average PPG pre-Nash; 19.6. With Nash; 19.8. Now let’s look at Nash’s numbers over the same time period. In the three seasons before joining the Suns, 2001-2004, Nash had 1919 assists in 242 games. After joining the Suns, he accumulated 2571 assists in 227 games over the last three seasons. The bottom line? Nash before; 8.0 assists per game. Nash since; 11.2 assists per game. It goes without saying that there are several other factors involved in these stats, and that they are simply that-stats. But can one make the case that Marion has made Nash better? And while I’m on the subject, I’m still trying to figure out how the Matrix could have a season like he did in ’04-’05, when The Matrix was in the top 20 in the following categories: Scoring (17th-21.8 PPG), Field goal pct. (52.4, 18th), rebounding (4th-11.8 RPG), blocks (18th), steals (6th), minutes played (7th), double-doubles (tied for second), Pts./Rebs./Assts. (11th), and 3rd in the league in ‘efficiency rating,’ whatever that is. Sounds good, though. Not to mention he shot 81% on his free throws during the season and 88% in the playoffs. Yet got all of one fifth-place MVP vote. ONE.  If you can find me another player who had a season like that -who isn't 6'10" or bigger- and he’s probably in Springfield or will be someday. Perhaps the hurdle facing Marion and his level of appreciation is that he is definitely a unique specimen, or at least one who hasn’t achieved this level of success, and we really don’t know what to make of him. We’ve seen great leapers, great defenders, great dunkers, and great quickness from the forward position. We’ve seen all the attributes Marion possesses, but never rolled into a single package like this. Not to beat a dead horse, but it’s hard to say Marion is fully appreciated when what he does for a basketball team is put into full perspective. And when you consider what the main cogs of the Marion trade rumors are being compensated and what they provide for their teams, one could almost make that case that Marion is underpaid. Almost. 

 

Players involved in the Marion trade rumors the past year or so have included Jermaine O’Neal, Kevin Garnett, Lamar Odom and a Laker to be named later (I’m on the edge of my seat), and Andre Kirilenko. Let’s eliminate three of them from realistic consideration right now. O’Neal, Odom, and Kirilenko all come with caveats. O’Neal could be a big help to the Suns if he’s motivated. Odom could fit in with the Suns if he can stay healthy. Kirilenko may be able to regain the form he showed a couple years ago, if he can gain the confidence of his teammates and coaches. But Jazz point guard Deron Williams’ recent comments stating that Kirilenko is the first to leave after practice after arriving last, and that Williams wouldn’t trust him as much as other teammates with a big shot, tell me all I need to know about him. I would want no part of AK47, which, in a bit or irony that is begging to be mentioned, could blow up the Suns for the foreseeable future.  

 

Regarding Garnett, he is one of the very short list on players who may bring the Suns equal value. However, that move would give them a more specific type of player who would work well in certain matchups, rather than the flexible Marion, who works in nearly every matchup. Garnett playing  the opposing team’s point or shooting guard is hard to imagine. Which would force the Suns to add yet another player to fill the bill. And since the league only allows five men on the floor at one time-unless you’re the San Antonio Spurs, of course-that deal makes little sense as well. And it must be pointed out that any of the above names don’t address the issues that really kept the Suns from winning the title last year; quality depth, D’Antoni’s unwillingness to go deeper than eight to see if he had quality depth, and a defensive upgrade.  

 

{Note: as this went to press, word out of Suns’ camp is that Amare Stoudemire is going to undergo arthroscopic surgery on his right knee. Not the knee that he had the microfracture procedure done, and he should only be out about a month. But this development does shine the light on Marion’s durability and value even more.}  

 

Of course all of this brings us back to the subjects at hand; A) would the Suns be better off dealing Marion, and B) if not, can he and the team smooth over the perceived chemistry issues that may arise? Any trade attempted would be difficult to pull off salary-wise, and just as difficult to get equal value in return. Why? Because the time has come to declare Shawn Marion and his league-leading nickname, The Matrix, an elite player. And without an elite player coming back in the deal, it would be the beginning of the end for Suns chances to poke their head through the championship window that may be on the way down. There have been a few pundits who have made a significant issue out of the fact that Marion’s numbers have dipped in the playoffs. But after further review, that can be said about most players, since the playoffs pits the best teams against each other. And without Marion, the Suns can forget about winning 60 games during the season. Rather, they would settle in at around 45 to 50, and be no more than a five seed in the ultra-competitive western conference.  As for the chemistry issue, if leading by example accounts for anything, the last member of the Suns who should be subject to criticism is Marion, as he more than any other Sun in recent history has been through the playoff wars. I find it hard to believe that he would play at anything less than what he has in the past. And frankly, if Boris Diaw and head coach Mike D’Antoni had progressed from the ’05-’06 season to last season like they should have, we may be talking about the Suns going for two straight. In short, Shawn Marion is not the problem, and trading him solves nothing, especially given the names that have been bandied about in return. And to avoid ignoring the obvious, if root of the problem is Marion’s request to be traded, address it. The Suns need to explain to Marion that a raise is simply not an option, due to the fact that they are already up against the cap. But a three year extension at a workable salary, with a no-trade clause, may be enough to placate him. That would end the trade rumors immediately, which should have been nipped in the bud two off-seasons ago. Would an extension somewhat handcuff the Suns? Maybe. If you can call having Marion, Nash, and Stoudemire under contract for the next three seasons a handcuff.  

 

On the other side of the spectrum, the Suns’ organization may want to point out to Marion and his agent that a trade would do nothing to solve the recognition and respect issues he faces. He would be the same type of player on another team, and if that team is an also-ran, he’ll fade even farther into the NBA masses. Case in point-what would Dirk Nowitzki be on a .500 team? Come to think of it, not much different than last year. A very good player whose team got bounced in the first round. Or at best, an athletic seven footer who scores a lot. And Marion needs to look no further than former Sun Joe Johnson, who was quoted in the April 23, 2007 edition of ESPN magazine with the following comment, “I got a sense of satisfaction by showing my all-around package. But when the playoffs come around, I’ll be at home again.” Is this the sort of recognition you want, Shawn? The Matrix deserves to be on the NBA all-defensive team, and has for a few years now, as well as the first or second team all NBA, but being on a less successful team won’t help him one bit in either of those quests. 

 

 If an extension cannot be worked out over the next few months, the trade rumors will surface yet again next off-season, since the Suns are certain not to trade Marion while on their way to another very successful season. Act now, Planet Orange. Because when it comes right down to it, you have one of the most well-trained, well-conditioned, and talented basketball players in the league in tow. A player whom Don Nelson calls, “as important as anyone they’ve got.” Nelson played on Celtic championship teams and has subsequently coached in the league longer than many of its players have been alive.  

 

In light of all this, The Matrix stated last week, “I’m a professional. I will be where I’m supposed to be.” And if you’re not, Shawn, Planet Orange will be blue, and there’s nothing we can do. 

 

Thanks for taking the time to read. And thanks to www.eastvalleytribune.com, www.nba.com, and www.basketball-reference.com. And thanks to Shawn Marion. Shawn, your fans here love you very much, you know? I hope the Planet Orange spaceship knows which way to go. Can you hear me, Major Shawn?

 

 

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ricko
Oct 3, 2007
12:36 AM
Sorry the pic is so small, folks. I messed around with that and a couple others, to no avail. Hopefully you get the idea.

RickAZ
Oct 3, 2007
7:47 AM
Good points made. Bottom line, Marion is not a superstar. He is a VERY GOOD player on a VERY GOOD team. The AK-47 trade didn't make sense for the Suns because it would make Utah very scary. A frontline of Marion, Boozer, and Okur would be one of the best in the league. I don't think the Lakers trade would make LA any better. The Suns will need to trade Marion next summer because they obviously aren't going to resign him for big money, nor should they.

Last edited by RickAZ on October 3rd at 9:04 AM.

missal
Oct 3, 2007
8:26 AM
I appreciate the 'slack' and kudos given to Marion. However, we've allowed some very young, phenomenally rich athletes to live in fantasy land. The day to day grind for most folks makes Marion's complaints seem utterly petty. I understand the ego issue; all of us would rather feel that we are indespensible. But, as I and everyone else has learned as adults, you aren't. Two seconds after you leave a job, it's filled and few remember you. That's reality. He (Marion) really does have a remarkable situation here...good money, actual respect, no matter what he thinks, and a real chance for more than one championship. So why do a Joe Johnson? Good grief. I'm not a basher. But goshamighty, appreciate what you have, Sean. My daughter, at age sixteen, said this morning that what she dislikes most in people is that they don't appreciate what they have. Generic comment. Wish she and he could spend a few minutes talking...he'd get an earful.

cuziffer
Oct 3, 2007
9:00 AM
ricko, you're such a friggin homer!

seriously though, i dont think marion would be as effective offensively without a nash-type (by that i mean pass first, because there really isnt another nash-type PG) to get him the ball where he's wide open.

as for his defense, rebounding, efficiency (i kinda understand that one, but not completely), and everything else, i'd love to have him.

milwaukee fans (per usual, apparently nobody who is a fan of the bucks, brewers or packers has anything better to do than dream up trades) are coming up with some doozie trade proposals that would get marion here. forget the fact he'd never agree to come here. he is a FA after this season i believe, so i'd rather not give up michael redd (1 trade proposal) for him, not to mention we'd then be without a consistent scorer (other than our PG) who can get his own shot when necessary.

another proposal was bobby simmons, dan gadzurich and charlie villanueva (3 guys with 2+ years and a ton of money coming) for marion and marcus banks.

now i doubt phx would want simmons AND gadz, but i've been wanting to unload them both since the day they both became members of the "grossly overpaid, no chance in he11 anyone would take on their contracts" club. however, i dont want to give up CV at this point, and we dont need another 3rd string PG on this team.

i dont think marion's issue is about money. it's about hearing every 10 minutes that phx is trying to trade him. and i dont think he's the kind of player who will let it affect his performance on the court.

Last edited by cuziffer on October 3rd at 9:01 AM.

ThaBullDawg
Oct 3, 2007
10:41 AM
As much as I would like to see Marion come to Utah (he would fit into the system nicely),in the end its Marion's and Marion choice alone.
If he isn't happy in Phoenix, its time to let him go.
Ricko lol I got the Bowie reference, nice by the way.

Last edited by ThaBullDawg on October 3rd at 10:44 AM.

pumpdude
Oct 3, 2007
12:27 PM
Yo Ricko...I was wondering when I'd see a post from you. Pretty intense work here buddy, nice job. I'm not going to go into alot of detail except to say that any and all indications from the people I know, believe Shawn won't be moved. HOWEVER, if a move was to be made, Memphis has the player(s) to make it happen.
Iavaroni and Shawn are very good friends and Mark is a big believer in the D'Antoni system.(who better than the Matrix to help that transisition along) Add the fact that Mr. Gasol has wore out his welcome by asking for a trade also.
I personally do not want to see Shawn go but hey, I'll be too busy watching the refs to worry about if Shawn is giving it his best.
Just some scuttlebutt I've heard.
again, nice work on the blog

tophatal
Oct 3, 2007
12:43 PM
ricko
It's patently obvious to anyone who knows about the sport. That letting Marion go would be the worse thing that the franchise could do. And thinking that an aging and barely mobile Grant Hill will bring anything but joy are going to be in for a real big surprise. He'll be barely able to play anything more than ten to twenty minutes per game. They ought to give Marion what he's looking for by way of a four year deal. He surely can't be asking for that much ?

tophatal

pumpdude
Oct 3, 2007
1:02 PM
top...he wants a 3 year @ 60 mil.

J-DIZZLE
Oct 3, 2007
1:36 PM
You brought up a great point when you compared Marion's pre- and post- Nash statistics and Nash's pre- and post-Marion stats.

You can almost say that Marion has made Nash better, because when Nash played with Dirk and Finley (equally as good offensively as Marion/Amare) he was not MVP caliber.

Marion is the consumate team player who does his job with passion and his work ethic and durability is like that of a Kobe Bryant. And he has valuable postseason experience which is huge. There's no question why the Suns should keep him.

And the fact that he excels at what he does and that he is constantly top 10 in so many different categories on both side of the ball makes him an elite player.

If Phoenix trades Marion for Odom they will have made a huge mistake.

Cuzzifer is right when he says it's not about the money. It's about the Suns shopping him.

Frankly, it's nothing but window shopping. He ain't going anywhere because I'm sure all it would take is for Nash to convince him that his chance at a title rests in the Valley of the Sun.

Last edited by J-DIZZLE on October 3rd at 1:39 PM.

rocemare
Oct 3, 2007
5:26 PM
Very interesting piece! I've always been a Marion fan and a Lakers fan so I will be very happy if the Matrix ends up wearing a Lakers uniform playing alongside my main man Kobe. But let me get to that later. Thanks for pointing out Marion's stats before and while playing with Nash. It just shows how valuable this do it all guy is for the Suns. It is unfortunate how things are for him now.

Should Marion end up wearing purple and yellow, it may not work out right away but given what Marion can do, I think in the long haul this could be good for the Lakers. This goes without saying that LA still needs more help but the Matrix is definitely a better player than Odom and whoever that other player may be. But I will also have to say that letting Marion go won't do the Suns any good. In fact should they trade him to the Lakers .. this could be the season the Lakers eliminates the Suns in the playoffs.

Last edited by rocemare on October 3rd at 5:28 PM.

ricko
Oct 3, 2007
5:54 PM
Hey folks, thanks for the comments.

RickAZ-Perhaps you need to tell me your definition of a superstar. And yes, Marion would make ANY team's front line better instantly.

missal-I understand your point fully. And in response, I have two points about Marion. First, he's earned his keep. Secondly, 20,000 people don't plunk down $100 a pop to watch most folks do their job. Like it or not, their is a difference, and he is not living in our world. My point is that he is one of those high-paid athletes who is worth it, relatively speaking.

cuz-A homer? Who me? Actually, my appreciation comes from having the pleasure to watch Marion play 70 plus times each season during his career. It's amazing what he does for them while people mention Nash first, then Stoudemire. Wait, did you say Charlie Villanueva?? Now you got me thinking. Been a long time since the Suns had a decent 3rd string point guard. In fact, I don't think we ever have . . . Hmm.
I agree, it's not about the money, though that's the first thing people point to in a situation like this.

ThaBullDawg-Funny that I see in your comment yet another fan who would like Marion on their team. I'm sensing a pattern here. I've thought about what he would bring to the Jazz, and I think he would make them instant contenders.

ricko
Oct 3, 2007
6:05 PM
pumpdude-I've been wanting to post a blog on this subject for about a week now. Just haven't had the time. I finally was able to finish it last night in my hotel room. It didn't come out quite the way I wanted it to but I was tired of doing a little here and a little there when I had the time. No, I don't think Shawn's going anywhere either. And Pau Gasol? Then I'll really need to take my protein pills and put my helmet on. I hope Memphis would throw something else in. There are about five players I would trade Marion for, and Gasol's not on the list. Seriously pump, how many players can replace what Marion gives the Suns?

tophat-I agree about Hill. Some people got pretty excited when the Suns signed him, but what are we really talking about here? Like you alluded to, ten to twenty minutes per game. And I think twenty is a reach. But that's not to say he can't help the Suns, because he can. But people need to be realistic in their expectations.

ricko
Oct 3, 2007
6:18 PM
J-Dizz-Well said, all of it. I have nothing to add. Thanks.

rocemare-Thanks to you as well. Good comments. And as J-Dizz would attest to, I will absolutely shudder should Marion become a Laker. I may trade Marion straight up for a Laker, and Odom isn't the one.

xphoenix87
Oct 4, 2007
12:21 AM
What you're missing in your analysis of pre-Nash to post-Nash is how efficient Marion was on the offensive end. Since Nash arrived, Marion is shooting a much higher percentage, has a much higher offensive efficiency rating, and subsequently has put up much larger Win Shares numbers. Basically, before Nash he was getting his points by putting up more shots on a mediocre to bad team. Now, he's far more efficient with less attempts and, although his statistics may look similar, he's been much more valuable.

Marion is a great player, he's perfect for the Suns and they'd be fools to trade him, but he's not an MVP. He's the ultimate complementary player, but he's not a great ball handler and he's not the guy you want with the ball in his hands to create a shot with the clock winding down.

longrange
Oct 4, 2007
1:00 AM
I am so sick and tired of these atletes that are getting paid millions of dollars a year doing what they love to do and complaing like little children is so disgusting it makes me sick. I've got one thing to say....SHUT UP AND PLAY!!!!!! There are people out there that don't know where thier next meal is going to come from and you guys are complaining???? Kobe for example.. he has won how many championships and he is complaining that the Lakers are'nt doing enough so he can get more championships!!! Shut up and play, Kobe. You are nothing more than a whinning little #### All you athletes are blessed in so many ways you are blind to the fact that you can't hear yourselves anymore. I'm so disrespected,no body appreciates me,poor,poor pitiful me. well kiss my ####...It is us fans who keep your pitiful #### on the court because we spend our hard earned money to watch you play...So shut up and play. Don't forget one thing...when your career is over you will still be filthy rich from the sport you cried so much over. look around you and see the rest of the world.

kingcharles
Oct 4, 2007
4:19 AM
longrange
you are a tard. everyone complains about their jobs
athletes are no different. it is how a person feels that makes them complain. here in cali i make $ 25 per hour, but in florida at the same company doing the same jobe the guy makes $15 per hour and in malaysia the guy makes $0.75 per hour. so they make more money but at least we can leave and go to a job we feel better about, they cant. not without switching proffessions. if a person dosent feel loved or wanted at there job they dont want to be there. so he has to ask to leave when if your not happy you can leave burger king and go to McDonalds. people like you make me sick. just because they are rich dose not make them less human. your a whinning little #### cause you are not rich

pumpdude
Oct 4, 2007
7:48 AM
Ricko...notice I had player(s) in my post. I threw Gasol in the mix simply because he is unhappy in Memphis. The connection with Iavaroni is what made sense with the scuttlebutt I heard. I don't want to see Shawn go. I didn't want to see Joe Johnson go either.
I think D'Antoni will design a couple of iso's for Shawn to let him show (put up) or figure out his role (shut up) with this team is what it is. Either way. I love the fact that the Suns did exactly what they said they were going to do. Keep the core, balance out the cap and mix in some vets with some new blood. I'm looking foward to the season.
How's the golf game? Got my handicap down to 3.2. Going to Stone Ridge in Prescott this weekend. Most of the courses are on overseed in the Valley. Go Dbacks & Devils, lata

JCScheffres
Oct 4, 2007
9:33 AM
I think the Suns could still contend if they traded Marion. Wouldn't it kind of depend on what they got for him though? First, they still have Nash and Stoudamire. Plus, if Marion is going to cry all season long if they kept him, wouldn't it be addition by subtraction if they just ridded themselves of the distraction on the team?

The big thing is though, what will they get for him. Here in Chicago, one sportswriter says the Bulls should offer Luol Deng and whatever to get Marion. That wouldn't kill the Suns. It might actually help them in the long term given Deng is only 23 and is going to still get better. Just a thought.

Last edited by JCScheffres on October 4th at 9:34 AM.

Nooch
Oct 4, 2007
10:50 AM
Ricko,

As always, good stuff.

Agreed, the Matrix does so many things well that it would be very difficult for the Suns to get true value for him in any trade. Also, as you mentioned, the Suns chances for a championship may be winding down with their present cast. Perhaps, it would be best for them to take one last shot with the guys they have and then let chips fall where they may after that.

Good job. Keep up the good work.

ShooterB
Oct 4, 2007
12:17 PM
I honestly don't get it. Some players whine about not being on a championship team, and want out of town. Others whine about their role in the offense, essentially saying that they would prefer to be the star of a lesser team.

I'm not sure what issues Marion has in Phoenix, but I think you are right on with your assessment of his value. There is no guarantee that he will fit like that somewhere else.

Kirilenko is also wanting out of Utah...guess he wants to shoot more, or some bullspit like that. He shoots 21% from 3-pt range last year, but blames it on the system. Personally, I would like him stay for his defense...but that doesn't look likely.

How about a Marion for AK swap, straight up? Utah gets a versatile impact forward, and Phoenix gets Ivan Drago on crack.

J-DIZZLE
Oct 4, 2007
1:21 PM
"Utah gets a versatile impact forward, and Phoenix gets Ivan Drago on crack."

I still can't stop laughing.

ricko
Oct 4, 2007
9:39 PM
xphoenix-There's some truth to what you say, no doubt. And he is the ultimate complimentary player, especially for the Suns. Which makes you scratch your head even more that he has been mentioned in so many trade rumors.

longrange-I understand your frustration, but Marion's situation is a little different.

kingcharles-Well, I guess that's one way to put it.

JCScheffres-I don't think the Suns could contend w/o Marion, but that's just my opinion. Regarding Deng, he would be a nice addition to the Suns, if they were a couple years away. But they aren't, and Marion give them a better chance to win now. Thanks for the input.

Nooch-Always a pleasure to see a comment from you. Part of the problem, like I mentioned, is that I don't know what equal value for Marion would be. I'm not sure anyone does. But I have a hard time believing someone else would fit in as well. Thanks for stopping by.

Shooter-Can Ivan Drago, on crack or otherwise, bodycheck? If so, he would certainly help in a series against the Spurs. And I agree with J-Dizz, that was a great line. It's ironic you mention Drago though, as a local sports radio guy refers to AK as Drago.

ricko
Oct 4, 2007
9:45 PM
pumpdude-I too am glad they have kept the core together. I was very sorry to see Kurt Thomas go, but that's the reality of the business. I think with the main three in tow for the next three years, they can replace any other role player they may lose. But the window is still open for them, despite any naysayers who spew the contrary. Re: my golf game, I haven't been able to play nearly enough lately-as if any amount could ever be enough-and my handicap shows it. It's around 9 right now. BTW, golfnow.com or maybe the teetimesinaz site has an overseeding schedule, if you haven't seen it already.

Last edited by ricko on October 4th at 9:47 PM.

gojimmy
Oct 4, 2007
11:03 PM
Ricko, loved your Bowie reference and well researched (from all viewpoints) situation with the Matrix. How many times since he joined the Suns has 'someone' stated that 'as the Matrix goes, so go the Suns.' We all take for granted he is, and has been, a key part of this team's success as the ulta complimentary player, as pointed out here. Its disappointing his agent has lead him to believe his contract of $20M/yr is realistic and the way to negotiate it is to go public. Its time to negotiate now, with two years left, but not insulting that they haven't before now. There are other primary players in the league in the same situation who haven't started negotiations either. He is going to be 'trade bait' simply because is he the highest paid and the need for salary cap relief. The trades rumored weren't even close to being comparable in worth for him, with the exception of Garnett. The players all say their goal is to win a championship....the Suns need the Matrix, but doesn't the Matrix need the Suns, too? Hope Strawberry, Tucker, or the new 'big' guy will be able to replace Kurt Thomas. BTW, what do you think Sir Charles will have to say about this?

ShooterB
Oct 5, 2007
9:45 AM
AK is a pretty solid defensive player, but I'd say he's slightly overrated. His shot-blocking ability is tremendous, but is probably more valuable on help-defense. It can also help him in one-on-one...but he isn't a "stopper" by any means. He struggled trying to guard McGrady (so did everyone) last year...although he did make some key stops.

I wouldn't mind keeping Drago...but if it were a choice, I'd definitely have to go with Marion.

MidniteCowboy
Oct 5, 2007
2:49 PM
Great read. Well unfortunately for me, as a Mavs fan, I'm reading that there's nothing but love and smiles from Marion at Camp D’Antoni. I figured this would all blow over after he hit the hardwood with his teammates. This new season poses Marion's best chance in his career to get a ring. He was just venting over being mentioned as trade bait off-season again. You couldn't drag him away from Phoenix with a tow truck.

slshusker
Oct 5, 2007
8:13 PM
How did I miss this post. I have to spend less time at the office.

Players who sit out a year, due to injury with $gazillion dollar contracts amaze me. They're living in their own Private Idaho and have no idea what the real work world is.

Playing for the Lakers...nonsense.

ricko
Oct 5, 2007
8:52 PM
gojimmy-I'm not too sure I'm buying the reports of a 20 mil request from Marion. But if it's true, I must say it could be justified, based only on what some other stiffs are making out there who aren't half as important to their teams. And I think Sir Charles will say that Marion is ticked off over the constant trade talks over the last few years and rightly so.

Shooter-AK is a very good basketball player. Unfortunately, he comes with one of those caveats I mentioned. Something along the lines of "if he's motivated" or "if he can get along with the coach," for example. And I think he's making around 14 mil, right? For a couple mil more, (and let's face it, it's all relative nowadays) I'd take Marion any day. That's all I'm saying and it sounds like you agree.

Midnite Cowboy-I agree. And I think it needs to be brought up that the reason Marion hasn't been traded by now, if indeed the Suns were shopping him, is that the number of players out there who would bring equal value is very small.

husker-Not too sure where you're going with the sitting out a year comment, but you are right about one thing. Pro athletes DO live in their own private Idaho. And we as sports fans, with the way we admire them and expect what we do out of them-make sure of that.

Last edited by ricko on October 5th at 8:53 PM.

ricko
Oct 5, 2007
9:03 PM
husker-To expound on what I was saying, when a basketball player is one of the .2% of all basketball players who dreamt of greatness and actually achieved it, and gets not only the fruits of his labor but ths slings and arrows as well, sometimes unwarranted-yes, it does skew everything a bit. Their perception of reality included. But I watch sports as much as the next guy, so their world becomes reality to them and to me, in a way. In other words, did you find it at least a little bit out of line that a lot of Padre fans blasted Trevor Hoffman for his failure to close the one-game playoff vs. the Rockies, but nary a mention was made of Peavy getting knocked around the park? Know where I'm coming from?

OneLastOutlaw
Oct 7, 2007
6:10 PM
I never believed it would happen even for a second but as a Laker fan I just drooled (well OK, I drool anyhow but this was over the top drooling) at the thought of Marion and Kobe together. I can't even conceive of what Kobe could do with a guy like Marion who would keep his guy and probably a double team cheating to his side of the set up. Kobe would average 40 on 50% shooting.

Ah well. Unfortunately you have to build the field of dreams for them to come. Dreams alone are not enough to get them.

I told the #### who labeled Marion at #25 he should write about something he knows something about. Marion is top 12 in my book. At the worst. I'd personally rather have him than Dirk with Kobe.

Last edited by OneLastOutlaw on October 7th at 6:11 PM.

ricko
Oct 8, 2007
9:02 AM
OLO-Yeah, it's too bad so many take Marion's play for granted. Like I said, the reason the Suns haven't traded him despite all the rumors probably has something to do with getting equal value, which consists of only a handful of guys in the league. And I agree about preferring him over Dirk-any day of the week.

Mr_Showtime
Oct 11, 2007
9:18 AM
Hoffman says you'd love this pic.




Back to DIME!!

ricko
Oct 11, 2007
3:41 PM
Showtime-I think you stopped by here by mistake. Were you looking for Bruce Bowen's blog?

Actually, I like the picture of Tony Parker on the floor dazed, while Nash, with his nose split wide open, checks to see if he's okay. Good thing Parker didn't get kneed in the groin. He'd probably still be out.

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