The Phoenix Suns won their sixth straight game Friday night, defeating the Milwaukee Bucks 122-115. The Suns had four players, Shawn Marion, Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, and Leandro Barbosa, score twenty points or more, and one more, Raja Bell, who just missed, finishing with 18. The Suns had actually been playing adequate defense during their winning streak, but that showed only in flashes, at key times, against the Bucks. Stellar play from Buck guards Michael Redd and Mo Williams contributed to the offensive fireworks. The duo combined for 68 points and made 27 of 42 field goal attempts. Redd was also 12-15 from the free throw line.
Amare Stoudemire appears to be about 80-90% back from his knee ailments, which included microfracture surgery about a year ago. He can dominate at times, which makes me think he is 100% recovered, until I remember things like his average of 37 points versus the Spurs in the ’05 Conference Finals, when he was nearly unstoppable. At this point, he may not be all the way back physically, but he is a smarter and a better-rounded player than he was two years ago. Stoudemire will never be known as a defensive stopper, but he has picked up a knack for blocking shots. He moves better without the ball and understands the game more. He has also improved his outside shot and is getting back into the habit of going to the free throw line, a definite positive considering his free throw percentage. Ever since his little sit down with Mike D’Antoni in the pre-season, in which D’Antoni diplomatically informed him that the Suns were moving forward with or without him, Stoudemire has stepped up his progress and seems to be getting better gradually with each game. The bad news? He still has a tendency to get into foul trouble. And he’s already 24 with only about eight or ten good years left in him. Pretty scary.
Steve Nash’s ability to see the floor and distribute the ball is surpassed only by his ball handling prowess and the ability to shoot with either hand around the rim, often finishing drives with playground-like moves. He has shown an uncanny knack to knock down a couple of big hoops, often three-pointers, when the Suns become stagnant and are in need of a clutch basket. There has been much debate over his worthiness of the two MVP awards bestowed on him, but few players are more valuable to their team than Nash.
Leandro Barbosa has been a pleasant surprise this season. Except perhaps to the Suns front office, who gave him a contract extension in the off-season. His game has improved dramatically the last couple of seasons. He has learned how to use his exceptional quickness, now confidently taking the ball to the hoop on a regular basis and finishing when he gets there. His three point shooting forces defenders to work hard when playing him, and his offensive arsenal continues to grow.
Raja Bell has proven to be a deadly marksman from the outside, which is a bonus considering he was signed to play tough D on Western Conference foes like Kobe Bryant and Manu Ginobili, players who have really hurt the Suns in the past.
Kurt Thomas was the subject of many trade rumors in the off-season, though I couldn’t figure out why. When Thomas is in the game, he give the Suns a defensive presence down low, and he’s got a very good mid-range jumper. He doesn’t have the size to be a big shot blocking threat, but he allows the Suns to play most big men straight up without double-teaming, a luxury the team hasn’t had in quite a while. (In fact, in light of the team’s long drought at the position, when America West Arena was changed to U.S. Airways Center after the merger of the two companies, one local radio personality quipped, “Finally, the Suns have a center.”)
Boris Diaw was also given an extension in the off-season. He is off to a slow start, perhaps in part because he hasn’t played alongside Stoudemire before, and spent much of the season playing without Kurt Thomas as well. Thomas was injured down the stretch and in the playoffs, so Diaw’s role has been changed a little, but he’s a solid player who can do a little bit of everything. His unselfishness sometimes lands him in D’Antoni’s doghouse though, as he regularly passes up open shots. Sounds like a dilemma a lot of coaches would like to have.
To a fan who’s seeing the Suns play for the first time or seldom sees them, the player who stands out consistently is Shawn Marion. Based on his versatility, The Matrix seems to be a perfect nickname for him. Marion does the little things, and some not-so-little things, that affect the outcome. Some don’t show up on the stat sheet, but one would be hard pressed to find a player in the league who does more things on both ends of the floor.
For those who are somewhat familiar with my writing, you’ll remember that this isn’t the first time I’ve extolled the virtues of Marion. You may have heard me mention the fact that Marion was in the top 20 last year in seven categories, including minutes played. I always think it’s going to catch up with him, but so far it hasn’t. The guy’s all over the place. Even though Nash is looked at as the leader of this team, it’s hard to imagine where they’d be without Marion. To go along with his 27 points, he had 14 rebounds, three blocks, four steals, and hit 11-11 free throws in the fourth quarter against the Bucks. Believe it or not, that was not an atypical game for The Matrix. Both Stoudemire and Marion have stated that they want to be the best at their positions in the game. That tandem is a handful for most teams to deal with. Incidentally, as a credit to the Suns drafting prowess, both were picked ninth in the first round.
The Suns currently have a solid seven man rotation. By his own admission, Coach D’Antoni needs to find another player or two to fit in there and get regular minutes. The main candidates:
- Marcus Banks, a backup point guard signed to spell Nash. Banks is getting more and more acclimated to the Suns style and players, and with continued improvement, should see his minutes increase.
- James Jones, a small forward type in his second year with the team. Jones is a decent defender and a good fit to spell the big guard/small forward type spot. He would be getting a lot more playing time on most teams, but hasn’t seen a lot with the Suns yet.
- Jalen Rose, recently signed as a free agent. His playing time has been limited so far, and Rose is perfectly fine with that. He’s stated that it will take some time for him to fit in, but the fact that he can play a few different positions and has invaluable experience only figures to help the team later in the season.
Of course, the Suns Achilles heel has been defense. Their best defenders are Marion, Bell, and Thomas. They actually have several players who are pretty good defenders, but the concept of team defense is one that needs to improve. During the winning streak, they have shown the ability to get stops at crucial times, as they did late against the Bucks. They’ll never be confused with the best defensive teams in the league, but with their offensive style, a marked improvement may be good enough. The Suns have also done something the last few games that they hadn’t shown before-pulling away in the fourth quarter. They still have a propensity to give up big leads, but apparently have learned to weather the storm and grab the momentum back. If they can stay away from major, long term injuries, they stand a good chance to make their third straight Western Conference Finals. And now they seem well-equipped to advance beyond that.
They proved last year they are for real. Sure they lost to Dallas in the Conference Final but they did a few things that were impressive:
1) They came back against a team who supposedly has the best finisher in the NBA, Kobe Bryant, 3 games to 1 down.
2) They played without their biggest offensive weapon, Amare Stoudemire, and was forced to play Boris Diaw at center because of an injury to Kurt Thomas. They still nearly made the finals.
3) They did not use it as an excuse to lay down and quit. They battled and gave Dallas a good push. Dallas was much healthier and stronger, but who knows in 2007.
As a Laker fan I never had doubt one that if Amare's knee was OK (and it's looking better and better isn't it?) that they would be right in the mix. Congratulations.
Dan and dusty-Thanks for stopping by. I must say things are looking pretty rosy here in Sunsland.
dusty-I'm ready for another Suns-Lakers playoff series, how 'bout you?
LOL you want the honest truth Rick? I would much rather someone else take out the Suns. Lakers match up better with anyone in the West than the Suns. Hahaha
And you just got me in trouble with the wife Rick for singing "Here comes the suns dut un doo doo" for the past half hour straight. STOP THAT. LOL How bout stopping by my blog and letting me know what you think?
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Hey guys I need some help here. I wrote a column on my blog called "Cowboy kicker reminds me of when....."and it's the best thing I done in a while and I'm pretty proud of it but can't get any hits because of this BCS thing. Would you mind taking a look and if you think it's decent, posting?
Now Ricko has somethng to be happy about/a winner!!! Besides the Red Birds won away from home, he can get off the ledge now. Has your dry heat cut back in yet?? My sis in St looie is still without power/350,000 estimated without power.
I LOVE the photo of Nash ... that smile says so much.
I hate the photo of Marion taking the Chris Paul charge though -- only because I think it is the most abused rule in the NBA and needs serious revamping.
ricko .... I've always thought the Suns a dangerous foe for anyone to have to meet. Because if they could somehow harness some of that offensive presence and place it on the defensive side of their game. They'd scare the hell out of the rest of the Western Conference contenders ! That being said I'm hoping that they'll be able to produce some of the stellar form they showed last year. The season is still young so we don't know what's ahead in the offing.
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The Suns are playing much better lately. But of their recent winning streak, only the win against the Rockets was really worth celebrating. Stoudamire is recovering well, but I don't think he will ever get back 100% physically. However, he can become a better player by being more skilled, there is more to basketball than dunking on everyone.
But the bottomline is that they don't have the defense to contend. They are not just bad at defense, they totally suck. In fact, I don't ever remember a better team with worser defense.
But it's still early, so I guess anything is possible!
Good job on the team summary here. The Suns have to be considered especially dangerous with Stoudamire back. Plus, Barbosa has really continued to build on his big playoff performances from last year. And the Matrix has looked as steady as ever.
Kevin Johnson is still the point guard in Phoenix, right?
Maybe not...
Solid team, Stoudemire's health is a big factor. They proved they can play without him, but to be at their best...he needs to get back to 100%. And I think you're right about him, he's almost there...but not quite.
Marion is just one of those amazing players that can control a game without scoring a point. Very rare to find someone like that - Jason Kidd, Grant Hill, etc. The Matrix can score too, but it's all the other things he does well that truly makes the difference for his team.
Miracle-Hmm. Let's see. If the Cardinals win the rest of their games, they'll be 7-9. And if the Falcons, Panthers, Giants, and Eagles all lose the rest of their games, they'll all be 6-10. Can you say wildcard, baby?? (buurrrrpp! Oh, this Budweiser is good. I think I'll have another!)
Mean-You're right, I did. When they started out slowly, I pointed out that they started out 4-5 last year. But honestly, I didn't think Stoudemire would be this good this early. Regardless, I still liked their chances with any kind of contribution from Stoudemire and a healthy Kurt Thomas. I'm a realist though, Mean, and I know there's a long way to go yet.
fuzzboss-I woke up this morning and started laughing and shaking my head. I had dreamed the Cardinals won a road game. Weatherwise, it's about 70-something here during the day now. Was pretty chilly last week. Had a couple days of cold wind and highs about 60. Shoot, you can hardly even play golf in that ####. I'm thinking of moving to someplace warmer.
Tom7-I admire your obvious enthusiasm for the game of basketball, but the charge/block is far from the most abused rule in the NBA. Carrying the ball, moving screens, traveling, calling a timeout when you're falling out of bounds, (do I need to go on?) TV timeouts at the first whistle under the nine, six, and three minutes marks of every quarter, players getting in the lane before the ball leaves the free-throw shooter's hands, calling timeout after a made basket and getting the ball at HALF-COURT????
I'd say all of these are incredibly abused and in need of revamping before the charge/block, which is always a judgement call anyway.
Thanks for stopping by, though. Appreciate the input.
tophat-Believe it or not, they actually ARE starting to play some D. We'll see if they can continue to improve at it and take a run at the title.
mungo-thanks for the kind words. Everyone likes to hear stuff like that. I'll check out your blog, but probably won't get to it tonight.
bbing-You need to check out a few Suns games. I think you'll be surprised.
Nooch-Great insight as always. You're dead on about Barbosa and Marion. I must give kudos to the Suns front office. They gave Marion a max contract a few years back and apparently knew what they were doing with Barbosa, also. I can't believe the improvement that guy's made, and he's only scratching the surface. Always a pleasure to see a "Nooch" comment pop up.
Shooter-I think Kevin Johnson is one of the most underrated point guards I've ever seen. Played in the shadow of Magic out here in the west for so many years, though.
When I first watched a game with my son a couple years ago-I mean the first time we really WATCHED a game intently together-I told him to just watch Marion until the next commercial. Over the next several minutes, he became almost as big a Marion fan as I was. Almost. Far and away the best small forward in the game today.
ricko .... I'm so glad you mentioned Kevin Johnson as I also believed him to be an underrated player even in his prime. They were so many great point guards around then. Needless to say though he was the consummate professional on and off the court.
Chris Paul of The Hornets will be another truly great point guard over time particularly if his learning curve continues to rise the way it has. He's the engine that's driving that Hornets' team and if they could surround him with some more aggressively minded offensive players. I'd expect them to be doing a lot better.
Another great surprise for me this early in the season has been the play of the Bobcats' Adam Morrison. It's as if he hasn't skipped a beat since entering the NBA from college. He's scoring at will and has provided the Bobcats with the player that they so desperately needed to provide that quick scoring impetus. Morrison seems to have that in ####s. A gifted scorer but still somewhat lacking on the defensive side of the ball. He'll make up for that in other ways most certainly.
You have a point about Kevin Johnson. He was overlooked in the West. Of course, I wasn't allowed to like him being a Stockton & Malone fan...but I respected the hell out of his game.
How about a straight up trade, Marion for Jarron Collins? Talk to your people, and see what they say.
Shooter, I don't remember the exact stat, but KJ was one of I think only three players to average 20 pts. and 10 assissts in back to back seasons, or something like that. Magic and Oscar Robertson were the others, I think. Going from memory here, but I'm in the ballpark. He was a pretty damn good defender, too. He's probably the best PG I've seen outside of Magic, he just didn't have the longevity.
As far as the trade you propose, I got with my people. It took some convincing, but I got them to agree. You can have Marion Ross for Collins. (We'll even throw in Chachi, but we're keeping Joanie).
(grin) Would you stop already Rick? I already said that the Suns match up better with the Lakers than anyone in the West and I already predicted the Suns would win the west if Amare's knee was OK and we haven't heard a thing about the knee in a while.
Just can't stop gloating can you? LOL
Here comes the sun dut en doo doo Here comes the sun dut en doo I say it's alright........
Last edited by dustylaker on December 9th at 4:46 PM.
all i have to say is that utah jazz have owned the suns this year, and are well set to own every single team in the NBA to come. carlos boozer is a much better player than amare stoudamire in every aspect of the game. maybe if the suns would give up 30 or 40 point leads all the time they would be a decent team. and until they get a great coach like jerry sloan they will never win a championship.
dusty-I wasn't gloating, I mentioned to bengals when he said he was singing the song, that I had said the same thing in my comment to you when you said you were singing it.
Ttime and the Fro-Squawking after one fourth of the season? A little premature, I'd say. Check back with me in a few months. Sloan is definitely a great coach, though.
bengals-I hope they do tour-I've never seen them, which I find hard to believe myself. No M. A. would suck, but if they're with DLR, I'll go.
Thanks for stopping by, bob. I know it's early yet, but they seem to be putting it all together nicely. They have more depth and balance than they've had the last couple years. They definitely are fun to watch.
ricko, I don't understand the sit-down talk D'Antoni had with Arame.?? in the pre-season?
You point to the lingering defensive issues, what are the real issues? I'm assuming their in mostly zones, are players not grasping the zones well enough, or do you think D'Antoni's zones & Defensive strategy is somehow lacking. They seem to have the athletecism to where they should be able to handle crisp defensive rotations.
jesus-the fact of the matter is that Amare was coming along slowly in the preseason the first few games. D'Antoni had assurance from the doctors that his knees were okay. He told Amare, not in so many words, that the team wasn't going to wait for him. Shortly after, D'Antoni inserted Amare into the starting lineup, and he has answereed the call. In my opinion, Stoudemire thought he was a little more important than he was. He is important, make no mistake about that, but the Suns got to the conference finals without him last year, so they were going to be good either way. Now he wants to be a big part of it. As for their defense, they actually have several good defensive players. With them, it's a mental thing. The players have to get over the idea of simply outscoring everyone. Shawn Marion talks about their defense all the time when they have a bad game defensively. Marion is easily their best defender, (guarding a big man and point guard sometimes in successive games, or even in the same game), and I think he gets frustrated when they give up big leads.
Hopefully that cleared things up. Thanks for stopping by.
dusty-I don't need to give my boys anymore respect. I told you they were coming . . . .
(doot en do doo)
But I say, it's all right.
I'm still trying to figure out if that 'snowed out' game in Denver last night was an omen for the Nuggets and Iverson or for the Suns. Guess it doesn't matter-unless of course the Suns can't make it back for their game vs. the Wizards tomorrow night.
Interesting to learn all these things, including the mental aspect you pointed out. I wonder too though if perhaps D'Antoni does a little more work on offensive fundamentals compared to defensive. In either case there seems to be an acknowledgement on the part of the organizaton in general about the importance of playing defense, & some of their most important recent acquisitions seem to reflect that.
jesus-Thanks for stopping by. It's easy to say all the stereotypes about the Suns (no "D"-too many threes, etc.) and dismiss them as a serious title contender. But I think they are still trying to get comfortable in their roles. A lot of their current guys hadn't really played with Stoudemire before, since he was out all of last year except for three games. Throw in a healthy Kurt Thomas and some of the acquisitions they've made recently, and I like their chances. Hopefully they've learned how to get to the next level after the last two seasons.
Ya know the Suns are the most exciting team to watch in the NBA but I have to be a little sceptical due to the fact that they have not beaten the Spurs,Lakers,Jazz or Mavs.I feel they will even get better as the season goes on but it is a question you have to ask yourself.
You are exactly right, longrange. They can answer a few questions tonight when they square off against the Mavs in Dallas. Very much looking forward to the game.
ed-Thanks for stopping by. I thought Isiah was a fabulous player but as a front office type he makes me scratch my head sometimes. I don't know if he's the answer, although the Knicks have somehow won four straight since their melee with Denver. Good luck and have a Happy New Year!
As for doing Suns fans favors. I've been with these guys since 1968/69. Its time we go all the way. They started off missing alot of shots today.
But never fail they came through. There is something about these guys they must like getting behind then comming back. Davis/Westphaul/Adams/Heard came close. Barkley and company should have but the three point shot by Paxson gunned them down or game seven would have been favored Suns.
Don't tell me I don't know basketball ! Chamberlin and West had my respect. The Hawk had his hands full but remember he pushed the Lakers to seven then. I always liked Magic, Jabbar and Worthy. us Suns fans had a good team but the likes of that team and the Celtic teams no one could deal with. Now we have the team. And I'm talking about it !
So Suns fans step up ! If you think I'm letting a Laker fan talk bull then your not doing the Suns fans any favors.
Sun 1-0 over Lakers !!!!!!!!!
Kobe is not Jordan and never will be ! If Jordan had Shaq think he'd let him slip away ? Don't think so !!!! Kobe could have had several more rings by now if he were not all into him self. And yes I don't like him along with Denis Rodman and Sprewell. These guys all bring negtive vibes to teams. LA you should have kept Shaq and built around him. Don't you remember Chamberlin and Jabbar ? Of course you had the Great smart Jerry West pulling the strings then. Bring back Jerry !
Like I said in the beginning Suns in 5 at worst 6.
Spent half my life in North Dakota. The other half, so far, in the Valley of the Sun. As a kid, I was always playing, watching, reading, or writing about sports. I lost most of the "playing" along the way, but the rest remains the same. I pledge to refrain from commenting on a blog unless I've read it in its entirety. If I have time, of course.
Carry on.
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