DALLAS (AP) -- Detroit's goal with a guy barely in the crease, if at
all, didn't count. Dallas' goal with a guy clearly in the crease did
count.
Apparently, that's what it takes to slow the mighty Red Wings.
I don't suppose that this is the kind of publicity that the NHL wants.
I was curious about the Interference of the Goalie call, and so I went to the rulebook. The rule is pretty clearly stated, but here's the part that really gets me. "Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be exclusively enforced in accordance with the on-ice judgment of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review."
In watching the entire reply of the controversial non-goal, Holmstrom slid across the front of the crease in front of Turco, but never actually got into the crease. The shot was fired, and Holmstrom basically screened Turco - a perfectly legal move in hockey. But the refs were immediate in their decision. Waved off. No goal. Evidently it was reviewed, but I guess that the underlined part of the rule was returned by Toronto - its the refs call. They waved it off. Toronto was not in a position to overturn the call.
One rather astute Detroit Red Wings fan tonight in the ESPN conversation suggested that the reason that Holmstrom's goal was disallowed was to send a message to Detroit that his incessant crease-crashing antics were not going to be tolerated any longer. Maybe Dallas' coach finally got the ear of the refs. Maybe Gary Bettman or Colin Campbell informed the referee group tonight of exactly what Interference of the Goalie meant. No matter what you believe regarding that particular comment, what is not disputed is that the ref was immediate, and obviously believed that he saw something in Holmstrom's move that constituted goalie interference. He was not wishy-washy about it - he simply waved it off. Period. End of story.
Obviously, tonight or tomorrow on referee review, this particular call is going to be discussed heavily and at length. The ref is going to have to explain what he saw, and why he made the call when he did, especially in the light that it was the wrong call.
Now I don't tend to bash refs. They have an impossible job. They are simply wrong 100% of the time in the eyes of the fans no matter what they do. Allow the goal and Dallas goes ballistic. Disallow it and Detroit loses their mind. We, as fans, and TV hockey analysts get the benefit of four or five angles of the play, slowed down a great deal so that the details can be reviewed carefully and at length, and then they get to criticize all that they want. The same is true in the NFL and Major League Baseball especially. But when you see a play that takes less than two seconds in real time to occur, you have to call what you see. There's no other option. The ref saw goalie interference. He saw what he saw. No one else knows what he was thinking except him. And now that we can review it in slow motion, we can all complain a great deal. And yet, watching that same reply in real time - it was so quick. Shot, goal, celebration, dismay. In the time is takes you to read those four words, the play happened. That quick.
I am not a believer in conspiracy theories, nor do I think that the refs are biased one way or the other. It seems everyone has been down on officiating this year, but as more cameras and angles come on line, it's more and more obvious that no matter what the refs do, they're just wrong. So - it's not a conspiracy. It's not that the refs were out to get Detroit, force a game 5, generate more revenue, or any other wild and crazy half-witted theory that's been going around on the 'net tonight. It's that a split-second play resulted in a split-second decision, and tonight it was the wrong one. Hey, it happens. It's too bad, but it did. No use crying over it. But I think that nearly everyone that watches the NHL or takes an interest in the sport ought to read the rules. They are what they are. It could not have been overturned. It was a split-second decision on a split-second play. That's how it goes.
I jumped from NBA to NHL to the WWW all night. It's all been great and if someone didn't expect the Stars to come out playing to survive, they probably lost money tonight.
When I was in little league football, I had a coach who told us that there will always be good calls and bad calls made in your favor and against you and at the end of your career, if you could add them all up, they will come out even. Sports fans at every level should heed those words. That being said - GO WINGS!!!
Now, how about doing something about it? Are these new refs? Has thier vision been checked lately?
One thing, for sure, is that one individule, who obviously was wrong, cannot be judge, jury and executioner.
I guess it's past time to go to video review. We can't simply keep letting bad calls go or we will continue to lose new fans becuase they think the game is rigged.
We can do something like football, where the couch gets X number of plays to review; if he is right he gets to keep his review, if he is wrong he loses it...
As the zebras get worse, and the fan base gets larger, we are going to lose fans because of these injustices.
And slshusker, guess who lost some money last night!
I'm a Stars fan.... I know why this call happened-NBC has a slot to fill on Saturday afternoon! No, seriously with all conspiracy theories aside, the Stars had a game last round where 2 goals by Brendan Morrow were disallowed. Bad calls happen-just like in Game 1 when the Wings were on a power play and Dallas got a roughing call after a Turco save to give the Wings a 5 on 3. There was not one punch thrown-just some shoving. You just have to move forward and not let the bad calls affect your play.
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I am a ref and I only do youth hockey. It is as you say an impossible job where no matter what you are wrong in the eyes of some. No doubt the Dallas fans think it was the best call of the playoffs.
Obviosly the call was made incorrectly. Even Melrose was mad about it. Detroit just can't let this affect them and I don't think they will.
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same thing happened to crosby a few nights ago. its not going to change ever.I not knowing every thingsays baseball needs replay,what do you think Mike?the k.c-cardinal game about 20 years ago made a bad call at first base and he still has to live with all the living h--- to this day from cardinal fans.thanks Mike. jim
Mike, I don't remember the umpires name but it was a world series game that could have turned the series around.But he did miss the call.The commish. even told the umpire that he blew it.thanks Mike. Jim
jlptn - no, it's not going to change. I don't remember that call - what I remember is one fat umpire's name (Eric Gregg) and how he single-handedly got the Florida Marlins into the world series because of his horrible strike zone that night...and how Atlanta couldn't do a thing because Hernandez was getting the huge corners. It sucks because umpires, refs, zebras, the works have to make split-second decisions, and each person seems to have a different tolerance level, even tho the rule books say this is the call or that is the call. How the heck can any team figure out the rules when it changes each night? But it's part of the games that we love, and when we get hosed by officiating, we all complain and when we get the benefits, we complain to the whiners to stop whining about it! Fans have something to say regardless I guess. Reply only adds to the chaos I think - especially when you're talking judgment calls. Looking at the Dallas/Detroit replay, I would have said that it wasn't goalie interference. Personally. But as replay has shown in other sports, when the reviewed play is a judgment call, there's simply no good way to figure the outcome. Sure, it was supposed to be a goal, but then I've seen NFL replays that to me, the fans, announcers and coaches asking for the review that they all expect it to go for them...and then doesn't. Replay only adds time and pain to a game. The refs make mistakes. We all know this - and when our player makes a mistake, we chastise them the same as the ref. So we just have to deal with it I guess, no matter how badly we want i
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