So I was checking out the stats for fumbles by a Chicago Quarterback, and it looks like if Rex shouldn't get all the blame. Maybe it's Olin Kreutz's fault, but it's hard to blame him since he is one of the best centers in the NFL and if you would tell him that, your jaw will be broke.
Here are the stats:
Bears QB's and Fumbled Snaps (2001-2005)
It
looks like every Bears QB has had this problem. It makes me wonder if
this isn’t more of a Kruetz issue than Grossmans.
2001 Regular Season
Mathews – 2 games -1
Miller - -14 games - 4
2002 Regular Season
Miller – 10 games - 5
Chandler – 5 games - 1
2003 Regular Season
Stewart – 7 games – 2
Chandler – 7 games – 1
Grossman – 2 games – 2
2004 Regular Season
Grossman – 3 games – 0
Quinn – 2 games – 0
Krenzel – 6 games – 3
Hutchinson – 5 games - 4
2005 Regular Season
Orton – 14 games – 5
Grossman – 2 games - 0
These stats are all from NFL.COM
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Looking at that, makes you think, maybe it is Kreutz. That or fumbled snaps are more common than most think they are.
By the way did anybody catch David Ball's once handed catch? THAT WAS SICK, THE BEST CATCH I'VE EVER SEEN! Too bad he caught it out of bounds. Hass has a pretty sick catch as well that resulted in a touchdown.
Interesting, but did you compare these stats to those of quarterbacks on other teams? Perhaps it could be a case of, like you said, fumbled snaps being more common than we realize.
Hey Krunchin247 - talk about a rival team's Qb when you have one that can actually lead your team to a Super Bowl. We'll see if he can be anywhere near as good as Donovan McNabb as stated by your head coach.
BTW - your best coach from last year is now in Pittsburgh. Good luck attempting to have a Defense thats is at least ranked #3 in the NFC North. They're the only reason you guys were anything last season.
Cap'n Krunchin, you are seriously a twelve year old boy aren't you? I get such a thrill out of reading your posts on all the articles that have nothing to do with the Viqueens. Have you figured out why there aren't any articles on the Viqueens? Because they are going to be complete bottom-feeders this year. When your QB has more than 2 games under his belt, then it might be appropriate to bash other teams QB's. Right now, it just makes you look stupid.
I am not a Bears fan at all, but think it's rather ridiculous how much #### this guy takes...and serves the Bears fans who are complaining right. He's played one full season, and like every other QB in the history of the NFL, he had some problems in that first full season. He also had some great games and they made it to the Super Bowl.
Now, the Bears fans that are tearing him down, have done just that...they've torn him down and wrecked his confidence. You could have at least backed the guy for a full season. As I said, you reap what you sow. You tore him down, now live with it
My apologies to those fans that have actually backed him, and there must be some.
Also, many of those bashing him may be in the national media, but if you haven't realized this yet, they are full of #### and will write or say anything to draw a reader/viewer.
These are the same guys that labeled Bush a bust last year after a couple bad games, and then fell in love with him all over again after one good game. They are also the same people who have named Vince Young the greatest QB in history after one half of a completely average season. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he's far from proven himself as an elite QB in the NFL.
One final thing, I know the article wasn't bashing Rex...but some of the posts were and it's become a very rare event to hear Grossman's name without it being something negative.
Actually this year is Rex's fifth year in the NFL (Compare this year to Peyton's Second year Stats). He has plenty of playtime to be a leader on the Offence. Enough excuses an offence should score the points not the Defence/Special Teams. Rex will remembered as just another bad quarterback like the rest on the Bears.
Last edited by fatboy321 on August 31st at 3:48 PM.
Actually, when injury takes away pretty much two to three complete seasons you can't count them, because he couldn't even practice during those times. Also, comparing almost any QB in history to Peyton (other than perhaps Marino) and you will make the other guy look like ####. Also, I don't remember Peyton getting to the Super Bowl his second year of playing, or even winning a playoff game
And only by the warped standards of an unreasonable fan is 1.5 years (yes, exactly 24 games played) plenty of playtime. Now, go look at Manning, Elway, Aikman or almost any other great QB's first 24 games. My guess is that Rex is either right with them or just behind them, especially in win-loss record.
Yes md77, I TOTALLY agree. As a Pats fan, I am not too fond of the bears. However, give the poor guy a break. Last year was in essence, his first season. Plus, he takes the team to the SB, and all the fans do is bash him. Chicago doesn't deserve a team. How do they expect a man or a team to represent them when all they do is bad mouth him. Fairweather fans are lowlifes and the media are oportunists that belong in a sewage recycling plant along with politicians. If Rex chocks this year, it is the fans fault, no one elses. We all know this is true, and you fans know who you are.
Yea Fatboy you're an ####. First off it's 'offense' ...not spelled with a c. Anyways, last year was his first full season. Like md77 said he couldn't practice, play, etc. And you, like about 90% of the people who know anything about football, are forgetting about his first 7 games last season. He had the most TD passes in the NFL and was on track to be the MVP. He still had over 20 TD passes this season, in an offense thats based on running the ball. Plus about the fumbles, I looked up Kurt Warner's fumble stats. He had 10 by himself in 2001. And theres no arguing he was a Super Bowl caliber QB (in fact he won it a few times)I'm thinking they are more common than we think and Rex's fumbles are just being more scrutinized because hes Rex. I also have to add that fumbles that occur while Rex is trying to pass are also being counted against him(How can he be expected to know that there is someone coming from behind to try and strip the ball? No other QB is scrutinized for this)
Last edited by DaBearBus on September 1st at 6:36 AM.
Rex is by far not the best or the worst qb in the league.
Romo is the worst.
Brady the winnest
peyton the best.
Rex is the best for the bears right now.
But the good thing is, if he goes down, the bears can still win, can New England or Indy say that?
I think the Media spins things too much.
Romo plays 2 good games in the middle of the season and goes to a probowl!
Rex plays some bad games and everyone has him in the doghouse.
Rex threw a pick in the superbowl, big deal. the Defense lost that game not rex and on the chicago team they know it and will make amends for it this year.
It's just like bathman lost the chance for the Cubs to get to the world series. Yea right the ball going thru the short stops legs on the next play, sure double play ball too, dosen't count.
In the superbowl last year Tank johnson had his arm around Manning when he threw the TD, as I watched the play I thought that pass was going to be intercepted, but then the camera paned over to show blown coverage and a TD.
But Rex throws a pick for a td and its all his fault.
I think the Bears screwed up in the Superbowl last year by not going after Manning early and often, they were playing with house money at the time, and everyone knows Peyton dosen't play well with a dirty uniform.
Any way this is a new season. Rex is playing for a contract, and I think he will play better than last year.
The Bears set thier team up every year to win with out a great QB and this drives the media crazy when they win more than they lose.
Thats just the way football is played in Chicago.
Don't forget the Bea
Last edited by calbearlover on September 2nd at 5:49 AM.
You can break down most of them on video and place blame on either one. I have seen, as well as commentators, Rex pulling out a split second too early on some, while others could go either way.
Awww, Rex is almost getting the Brett Favre treatment.
Our QB doesn't turn the ball over ever, if it's an INT it's the WR's fault for running the wrong route, if it's a fumble... it's the Center's fault for his bad snaps.
Next up, the "official" stats keepers are going to start crediting Kreutz for the fumbles just like they do in Green Bay whenever King Overrated turns over the ball.
Last edited by Moesogoth on September 1st at 10:27 AM.
Yeah, it's amazing how everybody harps on Rex throwing an INT that got returned for a TD in the Superbowl... but, umm, Manning threw two passes in a row that were just absolutely horrid, both of them went directly into a defender's hands, the second one being the Chris Harris INT. Grossman was doing fine most of the game, but the Colts actually had a run defense that day. Yeah sure, he shouldn't have thrown that pass to Berrian in double coverage at the end, but the pass that got picked off and returned for a TD was more the defender making a good play on the ball than anything else. Grossman has the same problems as most young QB's, give the kid a break.
The Bears have been the worst team in the league since the beginning. Bears fans have expected to be disappointed year after year. Last year looked like it was there second 85' season, maybe that is why the fans are so hard on the players. Rex needs to lead the offense no different than Urlacher leads the defence. This year will be harder for Rex because he doesn't have a dependable running back with Cedric Benson. Enough talk watch the season for some more disappointments. Futhermore you idiots Rex didn't take them to the Super Bowl, Urlacher and his defence did!!!
Last edited by fatboy321 on September 1st at 1:24 PM.
First, Fatboy, run a spell check before calling people idiots. You were already corrected on the spelling of offense, now look at your "defence". Perhaps the same theory in grammer applies to both those words. Do some research and get back to us.
And Second, to address your point. Football, more than any other American team sport, requires a complete team to win. Defense (see what I mean) can keep you in a game, and even win a few, but by itself it will not deliver you to the Super Bowl...unless they get rid of the playoffs.
Hey Fatboy... aren't you forgetting that the Bears were the FIRST professional football team (the Decatur Staleys, a.k.a. the Chicago Staleys, a.k.a. the Bears, were the first team to pay players to play football)? Not to mention the 7 NFL championships and the '85 Superbowl, the second winningest coach in NFL history in Halas, and being the owners of the most lopsided victory in ALL of professional sports, EVER, in their 73-0 decimation of Washington in the 1940 NFL title game? (College games don't count, they don't play for money.)
doughboy, what difference does it make whether Rex took us, or the defenSe took us? The result was still a trip to the SB. nIf Rex is so bad, then our defense must be of legendary proportions. (which I happen to believe they are). I've said it before fatboy, but I think the Bears would beat a majority of the teams with you at QB. Rex is the best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime, and unless you were around for Sid Luckman, then he's been the best in your lifetime also. Barring injuries, the Bears defense should set records this year. They have a Pro-Bowl caliber player at almost every defensive position. I'm not sure that there has ever been a better defensive team at forcing turnovers. Bringing it back home to the NFC, this year, where it belongs.
Interesting comment by Phillip1234567891011 - I couldn't agree more. It is the duty of the coaching staff to play the guys that give them the best chance of winning. The coaching staff is obligated to consider alternate players when individuals struggle. This is even more true for the younger guys. You just don't leave them out there to get shellacked. You pull them out for a few plays or more and help them collect themselves. Ideally, you put them back in after you get them settled down, and try them again because they are probably your best athlete at that position. That doesn't mean that you pick those guys Sunday morning and stay with them all game unabated. If a player is playing poorly that day, you play your back up until he demonstrates diminishing returns. Then you bring your starter back in after giving him a chance to regroup. That doesn't happen with the Bears coaching staff (especially on offense, but, was also obvious under Rivera). Rex Grossman is a good QB. When he struggles the coaches need to send out Brian Griese to manage the game awhile and 'fix' Rex. Get him calmed down and give him a game plan he can succeed with (meaning lots of running and short passes and can we PLEASE see him in the shotgun??? Huh??) so that he doesn't just go out there and go from bad to worse. That is what a coach must do! I mean you bring him to the sideline and coach him up! Get him jacked up mentally and when you feel he is ready, send him out for another try. When are the Bears coaches going figure out this standard coaching move? Get mentally flexible for God's sake!
Last edited by siliconman on September 2nd at 1:59 AM.
Not a Bers fan. Howevr I do think Rex Grossman is a below average QB. He gets bailed out by his defense in many games. The run game bails him out in others last year. I will agree he has his very good games, but he also has his very very bad games. You can possibly say the fumbles are Grossman's fault or Kruetz's fault - more likely a combination of the two. More reps between them will decrease the likelihood of it happening. With this his 2nd full year and his contract year - we shall see. I personally don't think he had a good year last year at all.
262 out of 480 for 3193 yds w/ 55% completion. he only averaged 6.7 yards per pass. had 23 TD's and 20 INTs. Basically that tells you he is suposed to be taking care of the football - and cannot even accomplish that. The 5 games he posted QB rating below 40% were awful. He had 2 TD's and 15 INT's.
He better hope the Bears defense plays as good or better then last year. Otherwise he'll be looking for job elsewhere.
Well, Well, Well.. I see that the opinions here differ greatly, may I remind everybody that a future hall of famer QB was as bad as Rex his first 2-3 years. Only his problem was throwing INT"S that cost his team the game. Brett Favre! He never beat that problem which shows me that you need to have an O-line and at least 2 good receivers. Now that we have a tight end..Maybe?
But any longtime TRUE Bears fan would know that their history has ALWAYS been a bruising running game backed by an exceptional punishing defense. This year I look for my bears to once again represent the NFC after all the smoke clears. Sorry Indy fans I truly believe that San Diego will tear you a new one in the playoffs. Hee Hee Hee
It's not so much about the snaps themselves but the competency of the players involved in the act itself.
If they aren't up to it then there's bound to be problems.
