As the 2008 CFB season kicks off, the journey towards redemption for the Buckeyes also begins. Obviously making it to the title game two years in a row (and three out of the last six) isn’t good enough. Sure, actually winning the title games would be more impressive, and not losing so…well…ungraciously would have been better. However, three title game appearances in three years are impressive. Before the haters begin to spout forth their typical “weak conference” and “backed in” nonsense, try to focus on just the accomplishment of getting to a title game. The current system makes the journey one-part luck, one-part clout, and one-part performance for any would-be contender. Oklahoma has lost four of their last five bowl games, yet nobody is saying they will be eliminated from the equation if they show up for the party in December with one loss. Ohio State HAS to win every game this year, and do it convincingly, in order to be considered for another NC game berth. Why? Is it because the last two years they were less than victorious? Or is it because it is just time for somebody new to enter the fray?
The system is what it is. If Ohio State wins all of their games, or loses one along the way and is one of a handful of one loss teams (example) vying for one of the spots in a title game, why shouldn’t they be considered? Oh, the Big Ten is weak you say? Great, let’s punish a team for their conference affiliation. Wait, I know…teams should be able to switch conferences every year to the perceived “strong conferences” so they will have enough clout by selection time to be considered. No, I think a team’s conference, for better or worse, is a team’s conference. So let’s not include the Buckeyes because they can’t beat an SEC team, who will always be in the title game by default from now on apparently. I’m sorry, where was the line to receive magic crystal balls? I am certain mine would have shown the 2008 Buckeye team losing again to another SEC team in a title game, right? As much as people would like to chalk that one up, the reality is that the 2008 team is not the 2006 or the 2007 team. Do I need to offer proof? Time marches on and although I will readily admit that the SEC is a tougher conference top to bottom than the Big Ten and that the Buckeyes have lost convincingly to SEC opponents in back-to-back title games, I must ask the haters to admit that this year is a new year and has nothing to do with the last two. Additionally, they lost to the best SEC teams, not some middle of the pack squads.
Ohio State, USC, Texas, LSU, Florida, Oklahoma, and all the other perennial football powers all recruit the same athletes and the parity is only getting stronger. The winning programs must adjust to the times in order to compete. Ohio State has recruited more speed, athlete/DB position types, and slimmed down their linebackers and D-lineman in the past two recruiting seasons. Gee, do you think they might be making some adjustments in order to compete with fast, spread offense type teams? Nah, Tressel and his staff are a bunch of morons! They lost two title games and backed into another title because a ref couldn’t throw a flag fast enough. The program is second rate and should probably be disbanded or at least drop down to Division II. I can become a Columbus Destroyers fan no problem. Fire sale on Buckeye gear!!!
Sarcasm aside, the Buckeyes will be in the mix every year for a long time. Everything is cyclical and the Buckeyes are due. The USC game will be the measuring stick early on, but regardless of the outcome of that game, the Bucks will be lurking around for a third straight title shot come December. My request of the Buckeye hating world is that this year’s team be given the chance to prove on the field that they do or do not belong among the elite teams THIS season. Nobody is going to throw LSU down the well if they lose a few games this year and don’t repeat as champions. In fact, it is deemed a “re-building year” for LSU, so a title game berth seems a little far fetched. A bunch of their guys were drafted and they lost their starting QB du jour in Perriloux. So, if LSU has a miraculous season and “backs in” to the title game this year, will they be unworthy? Hell, they probably aren’t even favored to win their own conference.
It seems to me that I have heard that story before……
The Buckeyes have an enormous fan base and some well connected alumni in the sporting world. You can find a large fan base and alumni gathering spots in every major city in this country. The Buckeyes are good for business, so they get forced down a lot of throats. How many people hate the Cowboys or the Yankees? People despise success, especially when it is not occurring for their team. That is the real reason there is an anti-Buckeye groundswell in CFB. The 2006 team was super-hyped and got waxed by Florida. If that team had not been so heavily favored, the loss would not have been such a big deal. Bad timing last year, in that a young Buckeye team with a first year starter at QB has to play a veteran LSU (who they out gained in total yardage BTW) team IN New Orleans, contributed to another title game let down. The point is that last year’s squad wasn’t even supposed to win their own conference, let alone contend for a national title. If other teams had handled their business, then we aren’t even discussing an OSU v. LSU title tilt!
Well, trying to make a case for national respect with regard to the Buckeyes is akin to #### Cheney running the Boston Marathon (or around the block for that matter)…it just ain’t happening. My guess is that even with a victory over USC, the Buckeyes will still be odd-man out if the final choice comes down to three or four teams from the SEC and/or Big 12. It is unfortunate, but at this point it is all speculative as well. I intend to enjoy another roller coaster ride from August to January on board the best coaster in all of sports…College Football.
See you on the gridiron ladies.
Oh, and for all you _ichigan fans out there, I thought you might like a little shot to get the ball rolling.
"My request of the Buckeye hating world is that this year’s team be given the chance to prove on the field that they do or do not belong among the elite teams THIS season."
The Buckeyes can't prove on the field that they belong because the fields aren't the same. Kent State doesn't really prepare you for the SEC. Here's an example: I listened to a podcast from ESPN from a couple of years ago when OSU faced Florida and all they could talk about was the hope that Florida could make it an interesting game.
Then, I listened to last year's podcast and they only talked about whether LSU deserved to be in the title game. The question that should have been asked is "Why OSU?"
The thing that seems to be overlooked is that OSU cannot prove on the field that they deserve to be there. The last two seasons have proven that out because no matter how well they do on the field, they don't belong in the title game. There are a variety of reasons for this, which you seem to want to overlook: no conference championship, backing in to the title game, etc.
So, until OSU can realize this and make amends to change it, they will always be undeserving of the title game.
"Kent State doesn't really prepare you for the SEC."
You are absolutely right. Neither does Ohio University, Youngstown State, or basically any MAC team. That is why they schedule Texas, USC, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, and other tough OOC opponents. The problem isn't the fluff on the schedule, it is the conference slate. If the conference as a whole becomes more competitive, then the game experience and tough conference sked will provide that for OSU. Until that happens, how are they supposed to prove it? Switch to the SEC? Play indepedent and schedule every tough team in the country during the regular season? OSU lost to the two best teams in the SECthe past two years, respectively. Anyone who states that middle tier SEC teams could beat the Buckeyes just as easily is speculative ####. Kentucky beats LSU, so therefore UK can beat OSU??!! (just an example I have heard before) Great teams from doormat conferences have dominated championship games in the past (Miami-Big East, FSU-ACC). It isn't the schedule as much as it is the game plan and the players. OSU was behind the learning curve the past couple of years, but that is changing.
Florida embarrassed OSU no doubt. That score could have been worse. LSU out performed an OSU squad that wasn't supposed to be there, yet OSU still outgained them over all. That game was a lot closer than people like to admit if you take away a couple of bad plays and several penalities at key junctures. OSU was beating LSU at home early but lacked the experience to finish the job. However, all anybody of your opinion wants to see is
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another loss to an SEC champion. Other Big Ten teams are beating SEC teams in bowl games so I'm not buying the lowly Big Ten argument full bore. Is there an athletic advantage in the SEC over the Big Ten?...in general I would say yes. However, OSU is an elite team and recruits elite players. It is only a matter of time before that translates to titles regardless of their reg. season sked.
Your argument is the standard, and my point is...What do want them to do? Schedule USC, Texas, and LSU as their OCC sked? Leave their conference? As I mentioned in my post, it is all cyclical and OSU will beat an SEC team in a game of consequence sooner than later.
You ask how they are supposed to prove it? How about adding a conference championship? How about supporting a playoff system? Both of which would be detrimental to OSU.
Adding a conference championship would instantly make the Big Ten more competitive, thereby increasing their chance of performing well in the BCS championship.
Supporting the playoff system would also make OSU more competitive because OSU would know they couldn't back into the BCS championship. OSU would have to man up to get there.
There's just a couple of pointers. Until then, why don't we just realize the obvious, which is OSU doesn't deserve to be there, unless the other conferences just have a horrible year, which is unlikely.
By the way, I like your enthusiasm. I'm not coming down on you, just the system.
Good points (conference championship and playoff support). While I agree with the playoff model, I am unclear how a conference championship game will beneifit the team's case for overall toughness? If the conference is sub-par, then what does beating one more team from the conference prove?
In terms of a playoff, I completely support a playoff as the only legitimate way to determine a champion. However, OSU and the Big Ten are not the only participating entities to reject a playoff system in favor of the current bowl/beauty contest format. Since that is the current format, OSU losing two title games should not ommit them from future consideration. If abstaining from the playoff model should equate to a punishment in terms of not being considered for BCS title-games, then any team from the Big Ten, Big East, and/or the Pac 10 should be eliminated from consideration, right? If OSU was the lone team/school/administrative body preventing a playoff system from being implemented then I would agree with your point completely. However, they are not, so why should they be punished?
Not having a conference champ.game, not supporting a playoff system, and not winning the title game twice have nothing to do with this year's team playing in the current, existing system.
The conference championship will benefit OSU because teams are better later in the year than earlier in the year. So, let's say you divide the conference in two, you can generally say that OSU will at least have to play the best team from the other division later in the year when the team is at its best. OSU will benefit from having to play a tough opponent. Assuming OSU wins.
I don't think the fact that OSU lost two title games should omit them from playing this year. I think playing in a weak conference should omit them from playing this year. If not, why don't we let Boise State or Hawaii play for the championship? Same difference.
Not having a conference championship (thereby diluting the competition faced by OSU), not supporting a playoff system (thereby precluding the competiton faced by OSU), and not winning the title game twice (thereby proving OSU is at a disadvantage from the lack of competition played) has EVERYTHING to do with this year's team.
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Boise St,Hawaii please!! Are you serious? Look sec an big 12 started the conf. champs for extra coverage an income to boost their conf.,Big 10 doesn't need to nor does it need to bow to any outside influence. Buckeyes take care of this years schedule an they'll be back for a 3rd str8 championship. Cry all you want.
I don't have to cry. The "great" Buckeyes lost the last two championship games and are 0 and 9 against the SEC.
It just so happens that the SEC and Big 12 benefit from having a conference championship. However, it would be to OSU's detriment to have a conference championship.
Extra coverage? Are you serious? Do you know anything about the SEC? The SEC has led stadium attendance for the last quarter century.
I agree with you, the Buckeyes will take care of this year's schedule and be back for a 3rd time. Not because they are good, however.
The sec is a good team. I looked at the top 10 stadiums yesterday. Go look yourself. Your right, not because they are good, they will be GREAT! Lived in Tennessee the past 15 years or so. Sure glad we had no subpeonas served on a coach at the media day.
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Yeah, I checked them out to. The problem is OSU isn't in the top 10. They aren't even the second best stadium in their conference. See http://msnbc.com/modules/sports/col legefootballstadiums/conference_ran kings.asp
Next, the SEC has led fan attendance for the last 9 years straight. So, why would they need coverage by adding a championship game? You make no sense.
Finally, here's some interesting stats for you Big Ten boy. The SEC went 7 and 2 last year in the bowl games. The best conference wins in a single year.
Further, not because they are "Great" either. Because they backdoor into the BCS game with a weak conference play. Poor OSU.
The SEC even beat the Big Ten in the Superbowl. Ha Ha !! Eli (Ole Miss) vs. Brady (Michigan) LOL !!
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University of sec math 9 yrs = quarter of century,makes sense to you. I believe it's top 3 stadiums is PSU 107,000+,UM(team up north)106,000+,then either OSU or UT. Another University of sec math equation top 3 or 4 does not equal top 10. I know makes sense to you. We'll be backing in with wins over @ USC, @ UW, @ ILL, home PSU,and UM
I don't think that the Big Ten can be compared to the WAC or Sunbelt my friend. It may not be as competitive (currently) as the SEC, but top to bottom it is certainly better than the afore mentioned conferences.
If OSU plays Wisconsin during the regular season and spanks them, and then plays them again in a conference champ. game w/ the same results, how does that qualify as a quality win. I can hear the SEC pundits now:
"They beat an overrated, weak Wisky team twice...what does that prove!"
I understand your point about competition, but a conference championship game is just another game. SEC fans tout the game because they tout the conference, therefore another SEC game is as tough as it gets. By that same train of thought, another Big Ten game is meaningless because the conference is weak.
OSU played aguably the best team in the SEC last year. Surely by the end of the season when every one was all healed up they were the best. They played a veteran team in what was essentially a home game and lost. How does that make them undeserving of being in the game? I suppose you think they would have lost to Georgia, USC, WVU, Oklahoma, and any other non-Big Ten team? The SEC is a great conference and they won 7 bowl games. They even beat the Big Ten 2-1, but Tennessee was lucky to win and Michigan stomped Florida, so I think you and everybody else who takes shots at the Big Ten may be a little biased.
As I mentioned before, OSU is not the only school who creates opposition to a playoff model and I'm sure the players don't care one way or another.
Yeah, I was being a little loose with the facts. It's actually just been 10 years (that's how long they've been keeping records). Check the NCAA website.
As for being the top three stadiums, you're just going by stadium attendance, which doesn't help you by the way. If you go by stadium attendance, the SEC still leads over the Big Ten even if you throw in PSU and Michigan and OSU. What a joke !!
UW?? Ill?? PSU?? UM??? Stop it, you're killing me !!
I've noticed you just refuse to address the 0 and 9 record or the fact that OSU doesn't even rank in the top 10 of stadiums according to MSNBC.
Further, OSU can be compared with Boise State and Hawaii. The reason they don't let them play for the BCS is because they have a weak conference. (Just go ahead and substitute OSU for Boise State and Hawaii here).
Hitting a little close to home, I see.
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Now I know you are busting the chops of our pal BWA, but seriously you must stop with the Hawaii and Boise ####. You obviously know your college ball, so I know you don't really believe that. Hawaii would not have beaten most, if not all of the teams in the SEC last year. Is that what you are insinuating about OSU?
I'm not saying that OSU would lose to most teams in the SEC. But, I'm saying that if we don't let Hawaii and Boise State play for the national championship because they play in a weak conference, why do we let OSU?
The Big Ten is less competitive than the SEC and maybe the Big 12 the last few years, but it hasn't always been that way. The Big Ten teams have held their own in bowl games for years, even against SEC teams. The Buckeyes have stunk it up to be sure, but the talent is better in the Big Ten than the WAC and the Sun Belt, c'mon?!
The BCS is ####, I agree, but it is the system so you can't just label the BIg Ten suck-#### and omit their teams. If Hawaii can go undefeated and get enough voters to get them into a #1 or #2 position bt the end of the year, then they should be in the title game. If OSU sucks as much as the popular SEC opinion suggests, then they will not earn the votes they need to be in Miami.
speaking of Miami, I suppose that the title we did win in 2002 is #### too? That Miami team was composed of slouches who had no business being in a title game either? Times change and two years is a small slice of history to be sure. If OSU is still getting waxed by SEC teams two years from now, then we'll know you were right.
Atticus...how does adding a conference championship make the conference more competitive? A CC makes it a divisional race.
If division A has two teams with 12-0 and 11-1 records, and divivion B has their leader at 7-5, please explain to me how the 7-5 team deserves to play in the CC over the 11-1 team? It should be #1 and #2 playing in the CC.
A CC doesn't determine a true champion...but it does generate huge revenue for a conference. Don't kid yourself. Conferences race to add a 12th team (see ACC) for one reason- MONEY.
A very, very good write up pete, and you echo my sentiments precisely.
They can hate on Ohio State's BCS title game losses all they want; their team probably wasn't there. No team has been there two years in a row EXCEPT the Buckeyes. I'm saying here and now that it will three years in a row, and four years in a row isn't out of the question.
To those fans of other teams who might think their team(s) have more talent or deserve to get there instead, I say "Get to the BCS, THEN we'll talk!"
Till then, get used to seeing the Buckeyes in the BCS title game.
I don't know who Atticus34 is but from my side this guy is a ####. Why all the hate. Did your mama go their ? Your Daddy ? Mistreated by Buckeyes. The actual team, coach. What bothers you man. You may have all valid points, or not. Even if I wasn't a fan, I would be so tired of the hating going on with tOSU, I just wanna #### slap someone. Dammit, let me guess as I couldn't stand to read all your comments. You are an SEC fan. We all are.
I think that when people go way above idiotic fanaticism, especially for their conference and team, thats the time they need to step back, try to love the whole sphere of College Football. Why limit yourself to one team.
It's all the same, in every community, in every State, that people like the teams close by. That's what makes it great. But when you don't keep it all in perspective, you sound like Atticus. Why oh why are people like him. I thinks it's great to love your conf and team. But expand your fandom. So many teams. Why limit yourself to one or two. Along the way I've followed South Carolina, USC, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Michigan, Purdue, Texas and lately Urban Meyer and Florida.
Take a look at yourself Atticus. Did you think you changed anyones mind. Get them to think exactly like you do. Do what you want. Thats what it sounds like. You want to control everyone. Too bad.
Atticus.....wrong!
It was the same talking heads wondering if UF would make a game of it that currently doubt OSU.
These guys get it wrong more than they get it right so who should really come into question,the so called experts who picked Miami in '02 or OU in '04 or Texas in '05 or OSU in '06, or the Buckeyes who seem to have had their worst game at the worse possible time.
Atticus
Conference Championship to prove they belong? Great idea but Championship Games for Conferences with less than 12 are not permitted by the NCAA. Why don't you propose something that is permitted!
Great position for a Buckeye hater to take, NCAA Rules prevent OSU from proving themselves
But for arguments sake.....let's say OSU's out wouldn't we also have to throw UGA out for a 21 point loss to Tenn. and UF out for losing 4 games,one to a "lowly" Big10 team....OU's out as well obviously and an argument for USC being out since they lost to a team that couldn't crack the top 100..how about WVU..yep they'd be out of contention for the Pitt loss...wouldn't be long and we'd have to move into the AA ranks to try find a couple deserving teams.
And people think the BCS has problems now,it would really be #### up with your way of thinking.
Name me a conference who's bowl records don't ride on a rollercoaster.In 04&05 the SEC only had 3 of their 12 teams win bowl games in 06 they won 6 and 07 they won 7.The Big10 is a great conference but not immune to the lows of CFB and surely capable of reaching the heights as well.
OK I'm done
Good Luck all and I hope your guys stay healthy.
I've been gone from these blogs for about five months and it's nice to see that since I left you still have the same thought on your mind and chip on your shoulder. I so enjoyed antagonizing you, my Buckeye fan family and all of Buckeye nation last year.
Making it to the number of Championship games they have is impressive and noteworthy. Also, Ohio State's chances in the title games would have greatly improved if they had faced different opponents, I have to admit. I think in the past couple of years if they had faced USC, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas or Hawaii they would have won.
What they did face were teams perfectly manned to expose their biggest weaknesses: team speed on Defense and lack of size and speed at the tight-end position on Offense.
Defensively, they played mostly a 4-3 defense and then went into what they called a 6-1 defense, which is basically having the linebackers cheat closer to the line and a step towards the sideline in order to make up for a lack of defensive speed around the ends. With the vaunted linebacker corp they have had, it was more than enough to overwhelm most of the teams that they played during the season.
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In the championship game, they ran into teams that were big enough on the front to hold them up that extra second and fast enough in crossing routes behind these backers to pick them apart. When the backs had to drop back to cover the short crossing routes, they were beaten for some large running plays and succeptible to a mobile quarterback. Finally, when they went into a sort of match-up mid-field zone, they were burned over the top with some big plays.
Both Florida and LSU were able to sufficiently stop State's running game enough to allow their DB's to focus downfield. OSU could have picked them apart across the middle with any speed on the end, however, the speed of the linebackers were enough to cover both the run and sufficiently cover the middle.
Tressel has recruited well in the past few years in order to compete with the schemes he has come against. I believe he may have what it takes to beat a Georgia or Florida team this year. Unfortunately for Buckeye nation, I don't think they get past USC & even if that is OSU's only loss, I think that other 1-loss teams will get the nodd with voters over them because of their championship game melt-downs the past couple of years.
My thoughts for this year is that a 1-loss Buckeye team beats a 1-loss USC team in the Rose Bowl, while a 1-loss Georgia team plays an undefeated Oklahoma team for all the marbles.
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I know a couple who are die hard BUCKEYES Fans and always love it when they can outscore their opponet especially when it is Michigan. Always a rivarly when my wife is from Michigan and her friend in Columbus talk on the internet or e-mail. Me I am GO-LONGHORNS , But those Buckeyes spoiled our running one year for the BCS standings.
But I hope the Longhorns get a rematch with the Buckeyes. GO LONGHORNS.
I went and checked other teams sites. I had to see if they were as popular as the Buckeyes. Not only do they have hundreds less of posts, but lack of intelligence by the home fans is overwhelming. I may have lost a point or two on my I.Q. by scanning the sec schools.(found out sec is not a school but a conference)LOL
slshusker put the weed down, your forgeting that 02 season, and that the pollsters gave Osborne a championship over a much more dominate, undefeated Penn State team.
dolfan your team is going nowhere w/ McCoy.!.
dashman what team do you root for, or do you just root against the Buckeyes. You make some good points I'll give ya that. A one loss Buckeye team will be in the Rose bowl.Buckeyes will go undefeated before the boomers or sooners,whatever.Georgia one loss HAHAHAHA,thwy quit too easily, maybe Fla.
One team everyone is overlooking is WVA. We'll see.
Don't matter, this is the year the Buckeyes do it all. GO BUCKEYES!!!!
it's great to be back home and reading Pete Nice blog. Pete the Buckeyes will be in the national championship game again this year. They will win the Big 10, with either the badgers or Illinois in second. Then one of those team being third then Penn at the four spot. I predict Michigan loses at least 4 games.
Buckeyes are loaded with talent but can they compete with another SEC team if it comes down to it?
Why is USC #2? Or do they mean they are a #2? Someone please clarify?
Okay, the hardest part about this is where to start.
Lisa H, you ask how adding a conference championship game makes it more competitive. Let me help you out. IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO WIN 13 GAMES THAN IT IS TO WIN 12. It's that simple. By adding one more game against the best team from the other division, you become better. It's not often the other team will be 7-5 (of course it happens, but there are exceptions to everything so let's talk about the general rule). A CC doesn't determine a true champion? Who are you kidding? I guess that's why they don't hand out a trophy at the end. Oh wait, they do. That's because it does determine the champion. Come on !! Nobody has said they added the CC for anything other than money. But, the by-product is a better team coming out of the conference. That's why OSU isn't as good as they can be.
By the way, I'm of the opinion that OSU will be back in the title game.
Marty Walker, the problem with OSU fans is that they are so fanatical about being Buckeyes that they overlook their own flaws. You call yourself "THE Ohio State University" for crying out loud. I'm a huge fan of college football. I just disagree why the other conferences let the Big Ten get away with backdooring into the BCS game. That's not good for college football. (It's just good for OSU and that's why the Big Ten doesn't want to change it). I don't care if I change anyone's mind. It's obvious I'm hitting close to home by all of your comments. A little sensitive about the losses, I guess.
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MegaBuck, you're wrong. The same talking heads are saying OSU will be in the title game, of which I agree. Are you serious? UF shouldn't be in because they lost to a lowly Big Ten team? You do know that Florida played Michigan in a bowl game, don't you? That's like saying the Patriots should be kept out of the playoffs because they lost to the Giants in the Superbowl. You make no sense.
Okay, the pot has been stirred. See you in a little bit.
Your posts are typical of a SEC fans... belittling and degrading of the Big 10. You base everything off of what your biased opinion of the SEC would do to the lowly Big 10. Yes, the Big 10 is not as competitive, and some Saturdays I would much rather watch AU vs. LSU or Texas vs. Texas Tech, but that does not mean that the Big 10 as a whole sucks like you make it out to be. OSU did one heck of a job last year and I really don't mind that they lost to a superior LSU team. Don't get me wrong, I would have liked to see them win, but they were out matched on the field. That does not mean anything this year. You are basing everything off the past. This is the present. OSU will have a much harder time this year with running the table in the Big 10 with teams on the rise like Mich St. and ILL. Not to mention the date with USC. By your own admission you are saying that they will be back in the title race, so you must admit that they do have the talent to reach the game. Please stop with the "backing their way in" comments. They didn't back their way into anything. They beat the teams they were supposed to beat and other teams lost. Don't begrudge the Buckeyes because they lost to the top team in the SEC two years in a row. At least they made it there. Oh and if they win it all this year, I will be looking for an apology from you and the rest of the SEC crowd.
GO BUCKS!!!! COMEON CFB can’t wait for the season to start!!
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Pretty busy today, but thanks for all the comments and it is great to be back. I have been away for awhile as well Bayou, but I'm glad you're back safe and sound.
Atticus-Welcome to the land of Scarlet and Gray glasses. I understand your points and it is ok to stir the pot. Marty, Mega, Buckeye, etc.....sic balls chopper.
Thanks for the spellcheck Reverend Tressel. Make sure you don't get a wool sweater vest, very itchy.
BTW, pictures of Pryor all over the place on 1st day of practice....look out!
Atticus, if you are a Buckeye fan, you get used to losing so thats not it. I said the other day in someone else's post that I'm going to start getting pissed as all these not called for "hate posts" or comment come out, and I'm gonna continue. I'm not gonna get childish, just say something. I can't see the Big Ten backing in to Bowl games. With the records they made over the last five years, it's not the players or the conferences fault. They didn't vote themselves in. Truth be told, they way the fans travel, it's always about money. Thats the bottom line.
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After the Buckeyes win it all this year, it will be funny to watch all the 'backpedaling'. From the fans who hated, the bloggers here who said they didn't belong, the commentators, and most importantly the all-too-often CLUELESS sportswriter.
No doubt many of them will say "They knew it all along!" or words to that effect. And suddenly their past depreciating comments about Ohio State and the Big Ten will be 'spun' to look better. If they don't disappear from view altogether that is.
Yeah, I'm a little bitter. But that's because I see so much uninformed bias from a profession that should and ought to be held to a MUCH higher standard than it currently is.
All right everyone listen up. I'm reading these comments and most of them make no sense. First of all the BigX is 4-3 vs SEC teams the past 2 seasons. And is 14-13 vs SEC teams in bowl games in the BCS era. So, why anyone thinks the BigX teams are slower or less athletic, etc..... is beyond me. And Ohio State is not 0-9 vs. SEC teams. WTF? We are 1-1-1 versus LSU alone.
Also, the SEC is a whopping 1-7 versus the Big East the past 3 seasons. So anyone that says they are the best conference is ignoring facts. Maybe idf an SEC team could actuially beat an Big East team once in awhile I would take this suppossed sec superiority #### seriously.
And, what is the point of a conference championship anyway? Only SEC champ game I remeber being an upset is the 2001 LSU win over Tennessee. Seems to me it is more of a formality. And, fianlly the SEC went 12-9 vs BCS teams last year. BigX went 11-9. ANyone want to tell me the difference?
And last year the SEC went an amazing 7-7 versus other BCS teams in the regular season and still claimed how they were more competitive than anyone else. No wonder it is sometimes referred to as the Special Education Conference.
BTW, there is a perfectly good explanation for The being used before Ohio State. It has nothing to do with arrogance either.
Atticus you dont seem to get it. Also its not surprising is the fact you are a loser SEC fan and like all ####-talking SEC fans you cant hide from the facts Gwen just pointed out. She forgot to mention, in the last 5 years(period of relevance as i call it), SECvsBig10 are 9-9 in bowl games. Where is the supposed dominance? I am a Michigan fan an I can tell you are trolling here cuz OSU is the only team that you loser, "fans of the SEC" can really beat on right now...btw, what SEC team do you root for? that point seems to be missing from your small-minded, ignorant, blogs...Ole Miss, Vandy, SC, Kentucky...Who?
Conference championships are all about the money. PERIOD! That is why there are, "special rules" your dumb #### is just not getting. AGBuck said this already but you might have missed it.
In order to host a CC game that conference must have a minimum of 12 teams! So until ND or Missouri join the Big10 its not even worth arguing cuz it WONT happen!
Plus, those game are "unfair" because until we have a real play-off, its just another game a team has to win to get to a BCS bowl. I would HATE for my team to go into a CC game undefeated and blow it agaisnt a 3 loss team(for example) for a game that is there purely for money!
Hawaii would be a 4 or 5 loss team if they joined the BIG10, and thats with LAST years team! They had to come from 21 points behind against the Pac-10's worst team last year. I knew they would get pummeled by Georgia...The MWC, gimme a break! lol.
You're giving yourself too much credit. If I go outside and there's snow on the ground, I don't have to guess whether it snowed or not overnight.
So, if the Big Ten is having a championship game, I don't have to guess whether they added another team. Of course they did !! Or they wouldn't be having the game !! Stop looking at the trees !! You're missing the forest !!
By the way, you saying that Conference championship games are all about money is like saying the sun is hot. Who is saying that it's not? You're arguing something that nobody is disputing. Conference championship games make the winner better. It's that simple. So, if the Big Ten would add a conference championship game, it would make the winner better and, perhaps, a better opponent in the bowl game.
What are you going to say next? "I don't care what anybody says, the sky is blue!!" Come 'on, Man, you couldn't logic your way out of a paper bag.
So what is your team atticus?
Who is the twelth team atticus?
How does winning a CC make a better opponent for the winner in a BCS atticus? DUH?!?
Might wanna wet that paper bag before attempting to escape it atticus.
Last edited by BUCKEYESWINAGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on August 6th at 3:12 PM.
atticus atticus , yeah, 0-9 in bowls , but the big ten leads in the head to head 95-89-7 . to follow your logic , alabama should never get to play texas in the NC because they aere 0-7 lifetime vs. texas . lsu cannot play vs. nebraska because they are 0-5 lifetime . florida and tenn. are a combined 0-5 vs. nebraska also . so they are out . tenn. is 0-4 versus southern california so they can't play in the title game this year . and, one of my favorites is , georgia cannot play southern california this year because they are 0-3 lifetime vs.usc, losing a whopping 101-3 in those games . The mighty sec plays 80% of their bowl games in familiar stadiums or in their home states while the lowly big ten travels to sec country and is 12-12 in bowls this decade vs. the sec . look it up . Lsu has played for 3 titles , all 3 in louisiana . lol . good luck to your team and conference everyone.
i also just needed to add that florida cannot play texas (0-2) michigan (0-2) and , yes , villanova (0-5). college football is funny , michigan is 6-2 the last 8 vs. the sec , and ohio state is 6-1 vs. mich . their last seven . hmmmm....
okay last one , maybe , georgia will not be allowed to play the pitt panthers , because they are 0-3 lifetime vs. them . neither florida nor georgia can play miami of ohio cause they are 0-2!
Atticus: Your arguing something that CANT happen! Wheres the logic in that?
Let me cut a few holes in that paper bag to help you out...thats after 'buckeyeswinagain" wets it down first.
Also, if you want to get techinical, blue isnt "Real" its only real cuz we as humans have labeled it that way. So while yeah, me or you would say its blue, its not real to a blind man. So how would you even go about describing it to one?
Same thing here. You are set on this CC game cuz your conference has one. So according to you, any team that gets to a BCS championship should have to play in a CC game first to "prove it". That is absolutely absurd.
We are still waiting with baited breath to hear who your team is...
My problem with OSU is not there conference schedule, but there non-conference schedule. I mean come on go out and get teams to play that will challenge your team especially if your conference is a weak one. look at OSU 2008 schedule
youngstown state, ohio, USC(great),troy, minnesota, wisconsin, purdue, michigan state, penn state, northwestern, illinois, and michigan. that is pretty weak. 6 teams on that are pushovers. a conference championship game is not going to help the only thing that is going to help OUS get back there respect in college football is get a better non-conference schedule and prove week in and week out you can beat the good teams, not just one or two a year.
