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As far as the witch hunt to cut off Barry Bonds' balls, honestly, I am just tired of seeing things play out like this.

A positive steroid test from 2001? Oh come on!

When did this magically appear?

Its 2007, don't think he's on steroids now.

Saying you were not aware of something, is not lying, if you were not aware of it.

Having initials on a piece of paper is not proof...Barry Bonds....Bobby Brown...Billy Blanks.

His trainer being released from prison is not proof of wrong doing and it is not proof he's going to drop a dime if there is a dime to drop.

All of these things are being done to make Bonds, pull a Marion Jones.

Well don't let them break you, Barry. These people have had it in for you for so long and this was all they could get. The declarations about your arrogant attitude, didn't do it.

I guess a man isn't allowed to gain weight anymore. He's supposed to look the same way at 23 and 43.

I only ask who are the alleged other players that get to keep their names out of the spotlight? I want the full list and I want the proof. If someone would be evil enough to give a woman the date rape drug, I wouldn't put it pass someone to give an athlete some an undectable steroid formula and tell him that its a supplement to get them hooked.

If only Barry Bonds were white. So many people like to pretend that their perceptions are not shaped by racism, when sometimes, indeed they are. This is not a statement that goes across the board but it applies in a lot of ways. The accusations about Barry Bonds never went away. So even if he did use steroids, when? It couldn't have been during the years following the investigation. Did the Giants know? Did MLB know about this alleged positive test from 2001? Of course, the Giants made their money and then tossed him as only a good slave owner would. MLB is tainted and its not because of Barry Bonds, its because the entire system let the integrity of the game get lost in pursuit of billions of dollars. Dollars that Barry Bonds help generate. Dollars that Pete Rose help generate. Two great players that belong in the Hall Of Fame.

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UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 17, 2007
11:36 PM
Excellent take on the issue, and I'm glad to see it's coming from a fellow Philadelphian.

I go one step further on the Bonds issue though. I think steroids, amphetamines, and all that stuff should be legal. They're no more performance enhancing than Cortizone shots, energy drinks, protein shakes, etc. and they're all legal.

Bonds is only guilty of allegedly using a substance the U.S. government has arbitrarily demonized because they're puppets of the pharmaceutical industry, which views drugs like steroids and marijuana as competition to prescription drugs (which are way worse in terms of addiction and lethality).

thomas37_62
Nov 18, 2007
3:41 PM
Big Deal, so Barry might have lied about taking steroids! The government which would like to ruin his reputation has lied to all of us for many years. It is hard for me to get upset by this. The government should be spending our tax dollars on something more useful to society than Barry's possible steroid use or lack thereof. When all is said and done Barry's only crime is not copping a plea and I hope he doesn't.

Dusty_Outlaw
Nov 18, 2007
4:42 PM
What amazes me here is that the most tested player in the history of MLB never tested positive YET the feds come with a non MLB positive test supposedly BALCO sent in on their own violition of Bonds using steriods in 2001. Seems to me considering the BALCO guy has been willing to spend a year in prison in order to not talk about Bonds for whatever reason, if he was testing to see if it could be detected he sure wouldn't have used Bonds for the test. Some guy not even playing ball would have been the tsst submitted.

In my view this is a prosecutor determined not to be trying shoplifting cases for the rest of his career but in all liklihood will ensure that he's doing just that before it's all over.

themsguy2
Nov 18, 2007
4:54 PM
Sorry,but I disagree with you.You say,that this stuff,should be legal.If you have never been on it,then you dont know what it does,to the human body.
I do steoids for my M.S.
It is an absolute rush,to the body,that you feel invincable.
The body uses this drug,to energize and give it a lift,beyond what any normal body,or workout,can give.
But the other problem,is IT IS ILLEGAL!!He broke the law!!!Bonds says he never tested positive.But hen he says,if it was in the cream he was using,he didnt know about it.
I guarantee you 100%,if you or anyone else used that cream,you would know,something is up.
Thats the effect it has on the body.
Sure the Govt.has many other problems,that they can tend to.
But when the laws of the land,are being broken,and nothing is getting done about it,then a 3rd party needs to step in.
Do I like it?NO!!!But whats the sense of having laws,when it excludes some and prosacutes others.

Barry Bond,is a prime example,of where sports are heading.Down the drain.
If he would have come out,and admitted it,he wouldnt be having these problems now.
Look at Mark McGwire,A HERO one year,and then he made himself look FOOLISH,AND WEAK,hiding behind his lawyers skirt!
Talk about a fall from grace.
So in closing,I have first hand knowledge what this stuff does to a body.
You might not agree with me.But thats your opinion.
Thats what is great about this country.People can express their opinions,and get away with it.
Mine is if it,s illegal,then it,s AGAINST THE LAW FOR EVERYONE!
TAKE CARE

Last edited by themsguy2 on November 18th at 4:58 PM.

whiteflyer
Nov 18, 2007
4:55 PM
It's idiots like you that keep this an issue. 'Roids no worse than milkshakes? #### - tell that to Lyle Alzado.

What if Bond's were white? Then he'd be like McGwire, another shamed loser. But, he's black, so that means he gets looked over? #### - tell that to Palmero.

If you can't do it within the rules, deal with the punishment. You know, in a way this is racist - blacks always scream prejudice when they're busted. Now, tell me how Vick was runned ober by da man...

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 18, 2007
5:04 PM
If you have never been on it,then you dont know what it does,to the human body.

It doesn't matter. If we're outlawing stuff because of what it does to the human body, then we should be outlawing fast food, alcohol, tobacco, and untold amounts of other substances ingested.

IT IS ILLEGAL!!He broke the law!

U.S. law? The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was passed in January 2005 to make possession of steroids without a doctor's signature a federal offense.

It was against MLB's rules since 1990, but the rule was never enforced until drug testing was implemented in 2002.

Barry Bond,is a prime example,of where sports are heading.Down the drain.

MLB just set yet another attendance record... the sport couldn't be better.

If he would have come out,and admitted it,he wouldnt be having these problems now.

Obviously, since he's been indicted for obstruction of justice and perjury.

whiteflyer
Nov 18, 2007
5:30 PM
Ultra -

Yes. It does matter. A lot.
Alcohol in small amounts is good for the body, increases life expectancy. Tobacco is illegal to sell to minors. Control what we eat? You want socialism, move.

Yes. US law, genious.

Pro sports were going downhill. That's why the crack down on off the field behavior, the way athletes dress when representing the sport, tough penalties for rule violations. These are the reasons it's turning around, not because of apologists like you.

He should have lied, never admitted his steroid use - gosh, good point, Ultra.

Rose is out, and he did nothing wrong while playing.

And what about people that play the game right, in the rules? Like Griffey Jr. Should he be pushed down the list a notch because of cheaters like Bonds? Guess that doesn't matter either, huh?






US law.

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 18, 2007
5:42 PM
Alcohol in small amounts is good for the body, increases life expectancy.

Steroids are also good for the body in moderation... hence why you are using them. Hence why athletes use them.

Tobacco is illegal to sell to minors.

Is this supposed to be a point, or just a statement of a fact that does nothing to help your case?

Control what we eat? You want socialism, move.

You missed my point. I don't want the government telling me or anyone else what can be put in our bodies.

Government involvement in social issues isn't socialism, by the way. Socialism is an economic ideal that has a lot of merit.

Pro sports were going downhill.

Prove this, instead of just pulling it out of thin air and claiming it as fact.

These are the reasons it's turning around, not because of apologists like you.

Again, prove this, instead of just pulling it out of thin air and claiming it as fact.

thetrueanalyst
Nov 18, 2007
6:00 PM
Does anyone remember the "come back player" award given to Jason Giambi, who ammitted using steroids? MLB loves any type of attention, "good or bad", it saved MLB and broke several fans attendance records, yet no one suggested an asterisk!

whiteflyer
Nov 18, 2007
6:33 PM
Artificial steroids are not good for the body. Ever. But, their side effects are sometimes better than the illnesses/injuries they can treat.

Tobacco is illegal because it too is harmful. That's my point. Raise your hand if I'm going too fast.

Wrong, as usual. Socialism attempts to control every aspect of your life -including what's available to eat. How does religion fit into your socialism economic model?

Oh, and socialism has never worked. Ever. And, it won't because there is no reason or motivation for anyone to work harder than the next person. But, liberal's like the sound of it because it is total gov't control - and, that's what they want - total control.

So, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. First, you say you don't want gov't control. Then you say socialism has a lot of merit. Obviously you are a very bright, educated person - and, you sound an awful lot like Hillary. Hmmm...

Do you read? Then you know how bad the economic forecasts for professional sports were several years ago - losing their audience, priced the average american family out of ever seeing an event, destroying their image, on and on ad nauseum. That's why Stern, Goodell, et al have been cracking down on rule breakers. And, forecasts are turning around.

So, find another you can try and baffle - but, get your facts straight first.

Redline MAX
Nov 18, 2007
6:47 PM
mizz amerika, you owe me two dollars for waisting my time reading your racist drivel. p.s. i prefer cash if you dont mind. Barry who?

btk85
Nov 18, 2007
7:14 PM
Ultra--
Check your facts. The Anabolic Steroid Control Act was actually passed by Congress in 1990. There was an amendment to it in 2004 that included certain steroid precursors, but the ones Barry Bonds allegedly took were included in the original act.

Miss America--Rather than counteract all of the ridiculous points that your article makes, as whiteflyer has already done well enough, I would just like to comment how de####able it is that Bonds apologists like you still have the chutzpah to make this about race. Mark McGwire took a steroid that was legal at the time, both in MLB and in US Law. Jason Giambi was given leniency because he voluntarily cooperated with the Steroids investigation, against the advice of his lawyers and the MLBPA.
As soon as a white superstar is as guilty as Bonds, I say throw the book at them. But don't bring race into this...you demean yourself and everyone who agrees with you.

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Redline MAX
Nov 18, 2007
7:14 PM
no wonder your still single at 27, your as dumb as a post.LMAO. you are further proof to my assertion that young people arent smart enough to pour pizz out of a boot with the instructions on the bottom. have a nice day and quit being so full of yourself.

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 18, 2007
7:31 PM
Tobacco is illegal because it too is harmful.

No, it's not illegal. You can buy tobacco once you turn 18.

Wrong, as usual. Socialism attempts to control every aspect of your life

No, it is simply an economic ideal. Dictionary.com:

"[...]advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

How does religion fit into your socialism economic model?

Religion = bad.

Oh, and socialism has never worked.

Look at the 2006 HDI. Most of the top-ten are either socialist or socialist-leaning.

First, you say you don't want gov't control. Then you say socialism has a lot of merit.

I prefer no government control on social issues; government control on economic issues.

Check your facts. The Anabolic Steroid Control Act was actually passed by Congress in 1990. There was an amendment to it in 2004

That's what I said. "The Anabolic Steroid control act of 2004 was passed in January 2005."

If I hadn't added "of 2004," then you could have told me to check my facts.

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 18, 2007
7:35 PM
Then you know how bad the economic forecasts for professional sports were several years ago - losing their audience, priced the average american family out of ever seeing an event, destroying their image, on and on ad nauseum. That's why Stern, Goodell, et al have been cracking down on rule breakers. And, forecasts are turning around.

I hadn't heard of this. First, I don't believe it, so I ask you to find some evidence to convince me otherwise. Second, I believe you're falling into the trap of thinking that correlation = causation in saying that Stern and Goodell's rule-breaker "crackdown" is responsible for the sports' economic turn-arounds.

But you could very well be right, I just see no evidence for it.

missamerica
Nov 18, 2007
7:53 PM
@ Redline: There is nothing racist about my post. Its just apart of the discussion. I don't get what me being single at 27 has to do with anything, its by choice. But reading the rest what you have to say, its clear you have no life and just want to insult people you don't know:) STICK WITH THE TOPIC!!!

@btk85 - I would have liked for you to point out what was so ridiculous about my article. I wouldn't call myself a Bonds apologists, I'm just tired of seeing, yes, Black superstars get thrown in the lion's den. And yes when an athlete is Black the treatment is far worse. Bonds can't hide or be redeemed like his white counterparts because people already have it in for him just because he doesn't kiss anybody's a**. But he is one hell of a player and should be celebrated for what he has done, at least until he is proven guilty of lying. I previously wrote a blog about the destructive nature of steroids and also the benefits, as with all drugs. I just think, there shouldn't have been a cloud over his head and talk of asterisks when the accusations haven't been proven. It would be demeaning, if race was not brought up because these stories always play out the same way when there is a Black athlete involved. There is always a rush to judgement. There is always a deliberate attempt to take something and blow it up and destroy a person's reputation. An apology is never enough. Like I tell everyone that reads my blog please read $40 Million Slaves by William Rhoden, and try to gain a perspective from the other side of the fence.

Thanks for visiting;)

whiteflyer
Nov 18, 2007
8:05 PM
What do you think 'etc' means in your definition? Think about it.

I have lived many years in Europe - in many of the countries listed - believe me, this liberal HDI is useless if you're trying to compare living in some of the 'top' countries to the US. Go and see for yourself. That's why many of the historically liberal countries are going conservative. Working people do not want to support non-working people - period.

Nobody in their right mind wants more gov't control unless they are lazy, or a part of the gov't. Gov't is people. So, you are saying you want other people in control of your life? And, as Marx indicated, socialism is just the step before communism.

OK, I'm bored. Go visit some of these great countries that beat the US in a liberal index supported and used by the brilliant people that make up the UN. Judge for yourself.

whiteflyer
Nov 18, 2007
8:12 PM
Missamerica - you are racist. Give examples of Black athletes being treated unfairly because they are black.

You must mean, let's see,
OJ
Michael Irvin
Vick
Bonds
Isiah Thomas
PacMan Jones
Tank Johnson

The fact is, black athletes get better treatment because it's part of their 'culture', and anyone who challenges that (black's included) are racists or Toms.

Sad, but true.

whiteflyer
Nov 18, 2007
8:24 PM
BTW, Rhoden is giving his opinion in the book. Their are many rich athletes of all colors that care not to get involved in politics. And, to point out the black one's that don't agree with his way of thinking, Rhoden is actually demonstrating a racist viewpoint.

The real crime is that black's still see rappers and athletes as their role models, heroes, etc. Black America could send a much stronger message if the father's stayed home and helped raise their children; and black women didn't tolerate the black man's behavior and allow them to run around with no share of the responsibility.

Now, that would send the right message. Much louder and clearer than MJ voicing what Rhoden think's is the correct viewpoint for black america, ie, liberalism.

longwaller
Nov 18, 2007
8:27 PM
Barry's #### kissers, just keep on cheering. Hey, look at the guy's body change. Just a natural change? Duh! Get your head out of it, cheerleaders.

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 18, 2007
9:51 PM
this liberal HDI is useless if you're trying to compare living in some of the 'top' countries to the US.

1) Don't use an ad hominem argument. The HDI isn't useless because it's liberal. How is it liberal? Because it comes from the U.N., which the U.S. routinely ignores for invalid reasons?

2) Please explain how it's useless, instead of just pulling it out of thin air and claiming it as fact.

That's why many of the historically liberal countries are going conservative.

Like which country...

Working people do not want to support non-working people - period.

You misunderstand socialism. That's not just what it is. It's the elimination of economic classes. Everyone is treated relatively equally.

Nobody in their right mind wants more gov't control unless they are lazy, or a part of the gov't.

Or has a different opinion than you?

And, as Marx indicated, socialism is just the step before communism.

Think of communism as a square, and socialism as a rectangle. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.

Communism uses a socialist government. Socialism does not use anything communist...

myboobaloobaby
Nov 18, 2007
10:23 PM
I do not believe it has anything to do with Race. Yes I am a woman and Yes I am white. But I believe with all my heart that people cant stand to see someone on top. They have to knock them down. Barry Bonds is one of the best. That is why he is getting ripped apart! I dont mean to down play this in anyway. I just get so sick of the Race Card being thrown on the table all the time. As far as the Hall of Fame goes he has every right to be in there. But if not then they need to go back and take a good long look at people they have put in. I'm a Yankee fan and Babe Ruth was always drunk at the game so was Ty Cobb and Ty also sharped his spikes on his cleats!!! Yeah thats not taking Steroids but its not how the game should be played. This is not a popularity contest this is about skill and Barry has it. Give him his spot! He has worked hard and that shouldnt be taken from him.

StevoinHTown
Nov 19, 2007
5:41 AM
I really believe that people who play the "race card" in this controversy might have some "race" issues themselves...Personally, I'm pi*sed because a white guy (Mcguire) wuz ALLOWED to pass another white guy (Maris)and a black guy (Bond's) wuz allowed to pass another black guy (Aaron)by being allowed to cheat...and I blame a white guy for the whole debacle (Selig)...I'm a caucasian, btw...It ain't about black/white...It's about "61" and "755"...period.

StevoinHTown
Nov 19, 2007
5:56 AM
One more thing:...Some of you may be too young to remember this but, back in 1961, a lot of fans gave Maris grief because they wanted Mick to break the record, if anybody...Ford Frick even went out of his way to propose an asterisk because of the 8 extra games..

I guess my point is, some numbers are "hallowed" and they are revered because they were earned legitimately and achieved on the same level playing field...Steroids simply make a mockery of the ballplayers who played the game "right"...

To me, it's simpler than most people make it..

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 19, 2007
6:28 AM
The problem with that, Stevo, is that you're putting all your eggs in the government's basket. We're talking about a government that just vetoed healthcare for children and routinely ignores injured war veterans they eagerly sent into harm's way.

So, pardon me if I don't put my eggs in the basket o####overnment wholly owned by the pharmaceutical industry, and subsequently demonized steroids for no other reason than that, like marijuana, it is competition for the "one pill per issue" scheme the pharmaceutical industry runs (steroids alleviate a wide array of ailments).

Playing the game the "right" way is as arbitrary a term as you can come up with. If you're a moral absolutist, you will probably never agree with that, but there is no such thing as a "right" and "wrong" way to do something.

Bonds is only guilty of using a substance that is competition for the real owners of this country. If coffee was competition to prescription drugs, that would be clamped down.

clintandjan
Nov 19, 2007
6:40 AM
ok1988 You gotta be kidding. You oviously never have taken steroids. Make it legal. What about our youth. Do we want kids using steroids? I don't think so. If you think taking steroids is like drinking an energy drink I think you should get some steroids and take some for awhile and then get back to us. I think you'll have a different opion.

JUNEBABY
Nov 19, 2007
7:02 AM
miz america is right, it is about his race. and all of you who say it isn't are lying through your teeth. everyone in baseball, including the fans had heard of conseco and big mac's connections to steroids as far back as their oakland a's days. nothing was done or said! it didn't matter that the homerun record was in jeopardy of falling, when big mac broke maris's record, nothing was said about steroids, although when henry aaron was chasing ruth he was vilified. but, that's conveniently forgotten, in the rush to villify barry bonds. case in point: now that more and more white players are being linked to ped's, everyone want's to ignore it. by saying they're tired of talking about it, but not when it was all on barry!i've said before, and i say again, 90% of steroid abusers are white players. make of that what you will.

Last edited by JUNEBABY on November 19th at 7:04 AM.

mr858
Nov 19, 2007
7:08 AM
I hear both sides of the issues and I dont think race had a lot to do with it.(I am Black..African American..Non-Hispanic..or whatever you want to call it) I think that Bonds and his ways caused a lot of this backlash on himself. His bigger than life ego should have either not said anything or told the truth! I am a B. Bonds fan and I dont see the big deal about it.
What pi$$e$ me off is the fact the gov spent all this money and time on this when this country has some real issues to deal with! Like spending money to help the Katrina victims or giving the troops a bigger pay check for all the BS we get put through! We need better leadership!

StevoinHTown
Nov 19, 2007
7:17 AM
"Playing the game the "right" way is as arbitrary a term as you can come up with. If you're a moral absolutist, you will probably never agree with that, but there is no such thing as a "right" and "wrong" way to do something..."

Ultra..
Well...the fact that steroids are illegal pretty much makes them as "wrong" as you can get..

June
I've already stated how I feel and to ME..race has nothing to do with it...I don't hold it against anyone for playing by the rules and doing thngs legally..

The fact that someone thinks that this is a race issue is on THEM....not ME...lol

Last edited by StevoinHTown on November 19th at 7:20 AM.

Azh
Nov 19, 2007
7:27 AM
For those attempting to argue with Ultra... he's speaking rather clearly and specifically and a lot of the replies you guys are making to his points aren't quite on target.

As for Socialism, Ultra's points are pretty right-on. However, I don't quite have the tinfoil hat required to agree with the points about the pharmaceutical industry. I see suppliments as foods to increase the vitamins and minerals that your body needs to perform at high levels (hence the reason they are called suppliments - they help to suppliment your intake of nutrients). Drugs, such as steriods, are chemical reactions to produce a specific effect.

So... Ultra, I mostly agree with everything you've said. I'd be indifferent to legalizing steriods, however. Regardless of making them legal or not, I can't crusify Bonds like most people can. He hasn't tested positive. He's 40something years old, and he looks like it. People gain weight as they get older. It happens. All the time. To everyone. So, until you can prove it with a drug test, the dude is innocent.

StevoinHTown
Nov 19, 2007
7:45 AM
I don't necessarily disagree with Ultra's points and I'm not even arguing the "right" or "wrong" issue (ergo the quotes around those words). His political acumen is probably superior to mine and I have no problem with that...

To me...this is simply about the decay o####ame that I loved as a kid growing up...No more...No less...

jamie
Nov 19, 2007
8:30 AM
who ever write this article isa jerk off if you have to turn this into racism you are no better.This dumdass should keep his #### quiet because Hank Aaron is black and i dont have a problem wharn he had the record. its just people like this who are going to you that card fourever,Im am sick of it get out of the past.

Balco_Barry
Nov 19, 2007
8:34 AM
What bothers me about this is the time table 4 plus years of this and now they are basing there indictment on a dirty test in 2001 please. What a waste of our country's money. I am a Barry Bonds fan and i am white. He is not a friend nor would i have him over my house for dinner, you see i don't care what he does on his time, all that counts is what he does on the field. If he did lie he has to live with that not us. Also as a person that lives in the Bay Area no one ever talks about what he does for the community or his charities why would they right he cheated why talk about the positive. All you had to do is go down to Stanford in the early A.M. and you would see just how dedicated of an athelete he is, nowadays it would be the beaches of Los Angeles, or UCLA track this man is a machine and very concious man. Wait til George Mitchells report come out, will he still look as bad to you people when probably more than 100 other players names come out. Bonds attitude hurt only himself not me or anybody elses(atleast thats what i think) I mean he could have made millions with endorsements probably surpass Jordan and even Tiger, but thats all on him. Innocent until proven guilty in this people are making him guilty before proven and that is sad.

brownsuga
Nov 19, 2007
8:37 AM
I truly respect everyones opinion but openly agree with what Azh has to say especially his point that I can't crusify Barry either because he hasn't been tested positive for anything and until the federal government prove that it with a drug test then as far as I'm concern Barry is innocent.

Last edited by brownsuga on November 19th at 8:38 AM.

missamerica
Nov 19, 2007
8:47 AM
@whiteflyer - know what being racist is before calling people that. Having an opinion and a perspective does not make you a racist, only when it is negative and directed at a particular race.

"Give examples of Black athletes being treated unfairly because they are black.

You must mean, let's see,
OJ
Michael Irvin
Vick
Bonds
Isiah Thomas
PacMan Jones
Tank Johnson"

Jack Johnson, Jesse Owens, Bill Russell, Joe Louis, Deion Sanders, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Chris Webber, Hank Aaron, Venus & Serena Williams, Ray Lewis, Willie Mays, Michael Jordan...there are just too many to name. The fact that you came up with your 7 only proves my point, even though you were probably just being sarcastic.

Let it be known that being Black is not about a race card, its a fact of life. When I discuss race, its NOT about having violins being played its just real talk. I think people get tired of hearing it because they don't want to face reality and that is why it continues. Its time to face it head on so that it can be out in the open. You can't eliminate a problem if it is never addressed.

Wrong is definitely wrong, in the cases you mentioned as well as some of mine, but more often Black athletes are villianized for the smallest of things - subtract the violent offenders that's whole different blog. It mostly through media that these messages are communicated not through the everyday fan in the stands or watching it on television. Most opinions on various subjects are formed through how it is communicated by your favorite sportscaster or journalist. Anyone without th

whiteflyer
Nov 19, 2007
9:34 AM
Ultra - thank you for proving my point. The interesting thing is, liberal's say they speak for all and yet they are the first ones to jump on one of their own if they 'leave the reservation'.

Did you hear France's newly elected speak last week? Who was more liberal than France?

You obviously know nothing about the UN. The crooks, the nepotism, their complete inability to make decisions. They are a complete joke - look at the decisions they have made, and not made, in their history.
But, Ultra, since you know more about this Utopia than it's creators, I'll just let history speak for itself. But, notice, even you can't separate socialism from communism. They are linked, always.

Missamerica - being black is no different than being any other 'color'. Why do other 'colors' succeed in the US, while a majority of blacks still want everything handed to them, even reparations? Listen to the black leaders that tell you this (the ones that actually have jobs and have been successful in their own right); they will tell you why, as long as you keep ####ing the race drum, you will never move forward as a race in America. Read Clarence Thomas' book.
And, the names you bring up are all open for debate except the older athletes that did actually have to live through incredibly hard, racist times. But, the recent basketball players you list...are you kidding me? They've been treated more unfairly because they are black? Give me a break.

Also, Miss, you did make the comment that if only Barry were white...I would say that meets your definition.

Balco - because

missamerica
Nov 19, 2007
11:45 AM
@Whiteflyer
How can you honestly say that being Black is no different than being any other color? The majoirty of Blacks do not want hand outs. These handouts you speak of are a thing called equality. Reparations....obviously you know nothing about this subject matter or you wouldn't have made such a statement. At least through those hard, racist times we knew who was who and what was what. Now instead of hiding behind a sheet, you hide behind keyboards and boardrooms. Give ME a break. What do you know about being Black, not a damn thing.

I know all about Clarence Thomas, he has issues within himself and dealing with being a Black man in America. Of course you would agree with him. You would have to be a man who looks down on people because of their race and probably other prejudicial factors as well. Without knowing their circumstances you may even say "Why don't you just pull yourself up by your boot straps, this is America"! if only it were that easy for everybody.

Let me just state for the record, the majority Black people are not looking for handouts and we don't like talking race. We would be the first to say judge me by my character and not by the color of my skin, but that's the first thing everyone sees.

Talking about race and fighting against racism is what has brought us this far. Our fight has also benefited the disabled, white women, immigrants, and homosexuals who also benefit from affirmative action, equal opportunity, fair housing, and hate crimes, issues that were brought up while we beat on the so-called race drum and pull the so-called race c

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 19, 2007
3:20 PM
What about our youth.

I'm not particularly concerned about someone else's kids. If you don't want your kids using steroids then do some parenting. Don't cut into someone else's freedom because you're a lazy parent with kids easily influenced by celebrities.

Well...the fact that steroids are illegal pretty much makes them as "wrong" as you can get..

That something is illegal speaks nothing to whether or not it is really "right" or "wrong." The law is subjective.

The interesting thing is, liberal's say they speak for all and yet they are the first ones to jump on one of their own if they 'leave the reservation'.

You're guilty of a number of problems here... hasty generalizations, strawman arguments, and so on.

I advise you not to lump me in with any group. While my political views are definitely "liberal," I do not associate myself with any group.

UltraMegaOK1988
Nov 19, 2007
3:20 PM
You obviously know nothing about the UN. The crooks, the nepotism, their complete inability to make decisions.

You can say the same thing about the U.S.

But, notice, even you can't separate socialism from communism. They are linked, always.

Socialism has nothing to do with communism other than the fact that communism uses a socialist economy. You're making a bad conclusion.

Here's what you're positing:

Communism is bad
Communism uses a socialist economy

Therefore, socialism is bad.

This is like saying, "Barry Bonds is bad. Barry Bonds uses an ash bat. Therefore, ash bats are bad."

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