NO debris cautions. Cars that were involved in a crash would have NO hanging debris on them once they are able to return to the track. That means no hanging sheet metal, no loose duct tape, etc.
I'd eliminate the "Lucky Dog" rule. RACE back to the line if you want to get your lap back (or a lap back if you're more than one lap down).
Drivers would be allowed to express their emotions freely. If Juan Pablo Montoya and Kevin Harvick want to fight after one knocks the other out of contention, let 'em fight until one has an advantage over the other. NO loss of points, and no fines. Basically, it's "boys will be boys."
Teams that get caught cheating during a race lose the points they earned during the race and are warned if it's their first time that additional penalties will follow. If that team's driver won the race, the win would be stripped from them and given to the second place finisher (provided he wasn't cheating).
A driver that pulls a stunt like Denny Hamlin did at Richmond would be parked for the remainder of the race and face disciplinary action, including, but not limited to, loss of points and/or suspension for one race. It wouldn't be just the driver that would be suspended. It would also include the driver's team. (Hamlin altered the outcome of the Richmond race by parking his car on Turn 4 to bring out a caution, then driving away.)
Any driver that is the cause of two crashes will be parked for the remainder of the race. He will get the points he earned for his finish, plus any prize money. Basically, it's a pat on the back, "See you next week."
On restarts, lead-lap cars start side by side. NO lapped cars on the inside. Lapped cars start in the back. They're lapped cars for a reason.
Personally, I think NASCAR has softened greatly from the early days. JMO. Back in the day, there were guys like Cale Yarbrough, Richard Petty, David Pearson, etc., that took no #### from anyone. And they settled their differences like real men. The raw and real emotion needs to return to NASCAR, and let the drivers' real personalities shine through.
I agree with all your comments. I think it should be like hockey.., let'em duke it out if they thought they were wronged. Let'em try to crash each other. Isnt that what stock cars are for? Let's see some rubbin. Rubbin's racin!
AMEN !!! Many times over. It has always got me how they change from the roots of racing of double wide restarts of lead lap cars to laped down cars. So many times I have seen on a late caution at a local track that the driver in 2nd place get under the leader in the turns and end up winning it, depending on how they line up leader on the out side or inside.
Now days the leader just needs to lay back and jump on it and leave a row of cars behind. cheers you got fox mail ASAP. thanks
jon' Hasn't NASCAR already got a Grand Potentate by the name of Mike Helton who along with NASCAR's hierarchy just tend to make up the rules as they go along .
And as much as I'd like to believe that a lot of what they're doing is to the betterment of the sport. So much of what they've done or are striving to achieve actually detracts from its excitement overall.
rampant' aka tophatal ....
Last edited by rampantfanatic on May 20th at 5:10 AM.
Jon--if I may when the driver is caught cheating he has to go at least 25 rows into the fans and let them decide his punishment I bet after the first one gets caught it will simmer down quite a bit...Good post and Good rules..
Jon- Nascar has gone for entertainment v. racing of late but some of those rules do make sense for safety reasons (lucky dawg for one) and I really dont see why Denny's move was so bad, no different than what Jr did spinning himself out to get a caution but, ok, sit them both!
Gotta love that video Dwindy...surprised there arent more with Stewart in there (LOL) and NONE of Kurt or Kyle...hmmmmm....
I nominate you Supreme Ruler of NASCAR! If your policies were implemented, I would be the first to get my Hat and sit in the stands again. All of what you wrote, I object to so much that I am on my personal boycott of NASCAR and anything NASCAR. I have a legion of friends who believe as I do, that only a major revision of the rules and how they are applied is acceptable. Unfortunately, there are 6 legions of fans out there who like it just as it is, even with all of the unfairness. Except in Sparta, 6 legions always beats 1.
jon...agree no lucky dog. Aledgedley imposed for safety. This ain't tiddly winks. Let them race. Also, agree with double file restarts.
Are you 100% positive that Denny wasn't trying to refire his car, and it started up right when the yellow came out? This could happen in the future.
The CAUSE of two crashes. This would be great if I was the one judging who was at fault. Only problem is if you put 10 fans in a room, 5 will say driver A did it, 5 will say driver B did it.
Forensic, I'll be sure to check my fox mail. Thanks!
Tophatal, in this scenario, I took over. Rules are clearly black and white with little to no gray area. I say let 'em drive with little interference.
Jokerswild, good suggestion!
Dwindy, GREAT video! I especially loved the Harvick ones!! He's a throwback to the old-school drivers!
Kristen, unfortunately, NASCAR has become a little too much like WWE. Denny's move is where we agree to disagree, as I contend he deliberately altered the outcome of the race. When Dale Jr. spun himself out for a caution a few years ago, he was about to go a lap down.
BeaverNut, thanks! All I'm asking is for the drivers to be themselves!
Lori, thanks! I'm complaining about the "debris" cautions, when the debris is nothing more than a metallic hot dog wrapper in the middle of the track.
Hanahan, IMO Denny deliberately brought out a caution and altered the outcome of the race. That's my big gripe. But you're right, if 10 fans were asked who was the cause of a two car crash between Driver A and Driver B, it would be 50-50.
Photogr, a Harvick-Montoya brawl at Watkins Glen would have livened up the race even more! On my surround sound I could hear some of the fans yelling, "FIGHT! FIGHT!" when Harvick and Montoya were in each other's faces.
I agree let them race. But don't race back to the caution. I saw the race in which this rule was implemented. Dale Jarrett was sitting there on the track helpless. And all these cars came screaming by him at over 180 mph. If one of the cars had hit him, it would have been bad.
But as far as the cheating winner losing his win, I agree 100% with that one.
Do not allow any wrecked cars back on the track until they have no hanging sheetmetal or tape, great idea. This certainly would help to elimate alot of the debris cautions.
jon'
Just chimin' to wish you and your's a wonderful Memorial Day !
Afterall isn't this what it's all about in the end ?
To serve one's country with honor and distinction. And to also honor the fallen and those who still serve in the line of duty.
rampant' aka tophatal .........
Last edited by rampantfanatic on May 24th at 4:18 PM.
Tsfan, I'd love to see NASCAR lose the Lucky Dog rule. What's to say that an improvising owner would order Car A that's many laps down to bring out a caution so his other car that's in position to get the Lucky Dog gets it? Particularly if Car B is strong but got caught a lap down due to the caution coming out while he was in the pits.
Tophatal, same to you and yours!! That's exactly what it's all about!
jon464
I don't know about you but I'd like to see the likes of Denise Milani start the majority of the NASCAR races. I can tell you this she'd have my attention !
Avid NASCAR fan Denise Milani who's an avid fan of Jeff Gordon.
rampant' aka tophatal.......
Last edited by rampantfanatic on May 26th at 1:05 PM.
jon'
That rack of hers would make a comfortable flotation device don't you think ?
I hear that she wants to parlay her notoriety into an acting gig ? Well she can come and use my casting couch anytime she wants. I've got a role that she might be interested and the dialogue for her won't be all that difficult.
Suffice to say all she'll have to do is moan and groan.
Tophatal, you got that right! At first glance, they could be mistaken for buoys. As far as her acting goes, her moaning and groaning would be about the extent of her dialog.
jon'
Well at least I'd have had the nevoe ldea of placing her on my own personal casting couch for her reading and rehearsal process.
Alas all good yhing must come to an end . And tonight so ended the reign of the Spurs as the NBA champions as we were dethroned as NBA champions. Well at least I hope that we can compete next year. The team is now old in some respects and some more athletic pieces need to be added to it.
And all of the dead driftwood needs to be cast aside !
I am from Central California. I am passionate about sports, particularly the NFL and NASCAR. My favorite teams are: Panthers (NFL), Lakers (NBA), Flyers (NHL), and Dodgers (MLB). I am also a Kevin Harvick fan in NASCAR. I am a Fresno State honk. (I'll admit it!) And I am also a fan of MMA. Jackie Robinson to this day represents what is right about baseball. I also enjoy discussing the relevant (and sometimes irrelevant) issues of the day pertaining to sports. I will never understand why televised poker is so popular. Who wants to see a bunch of people sitting around a table, muttering to themselves? I do my best to keep politics out of my sports discussions. That is why I recently created a nonsports blog, cencalscribe. blogspot.com. That is where I post my nonsports topics.
