let me start by sayin this, while i maybe be a diehard cleveland fan, im MAN enough to admit when another team out plays mine. but so far no ''TEAM" has out played mine. three paid off officiating crews have. look call me bitter or biased or whatever the hell you want. but before yoou do read this, which was taken from wikipedia's article on david stern:
During 2007 playoff series between the Phoenix Suns and the San Antonio Spurs, Spurs guard Bruce Bowen made a blatant attempt to injure Suns Amare Stoudemire and also committed an unnecessary flagrant foul on Steve Nash but received no finesor suspensions. However, David Stern approved a suspension for Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw, two of the Suns best players, for stepping off the bench after an incident on May 15 where Spurs Robert Horry shoved Steve Nash into the scorer’s table. It is clear that the actions taken by David Stern greatly benefited the Spurs, despite the fact that it was Robert Horry who knocked Steve Nash off of the court. David Stern has received criticism for issuing these suspensions that aided in the Spurs' winning the series.
and it don't even mention the fact that in the same game tim duncan stepped off the bench and and was given nothing. now i haven't reasearched to deeply into the nba's rules yet. but, i believe the nba rules state plainly that, any player who steps off the bench,(meaning crosses the out of bounds line onto the court will be suspended for atleast one game REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES for which the player did so.
so if this is true then why wasent duncan suspended? gee i wonder.
look to all the spurs fans out there, you will of course say that this is all ####. or whatever but think about this:
last night in the final second of the game lebron james was BLANTANTLY and FLEGRANTLY fouled IN THE PROCESS OF SHOOTING a 3 point shot, no whistle blew. everyone else in the entire world including the commentators if you were paying attention, knew it was a foul, but not the refs. no not the refs who have now made it official that this ENTIRE PLAYOFF TOURNAMENT from the beginning of the first round was fixed for spurs to win.
even people out side of the sporting world knows it. the wikipedia article excerpt proves it.
look to all the spur fans: of course like i said before you gonna say this is all bs and your gonna say all kinds of other stuff, but you would the spurs are your favorite team. even if bowen would have walked up and sucker punched lebron james in the jaw last night you STILL would say it was bs cause you're spurs fans( or i the case of some of you, bandwagoners) and your team can do no wrong. at least I can admit that my team played bad basketball for the most part, but it still don't change the fact that the spurs DIDN'T get this by themselves they had help, from both the refs and the nba itself.
say what you want about me and the cavs( and the suns and the jazz too) but atleast our teams play with 5 players like there supposed too, not 7 and a commissioner
I bet you would love to have 3 bowens on your team to shut down duncan parker and manu. I feel you man i'm a piston fan and I ain't crying about the way we got robbed this and last year..you shldn't. this is a man's game the league has forced guys to play female ball face it. When magic was playing guys got knocked the hell out..Now i####uy gets brushed on the way to the hole it's a foul. LBJ uses his elbows 98% of the time to clear space just like 98% of the other "stars" why bcuz they can't shake a guy and get open clean. guys can't block a shot unless they put their hands on his hip first 2 stop momentum. Tape games and then watch them in slow motion with an open mind and tell me i'm wrong. I've said before at this level every guy has something in his bag of tricks that is illegal that he uses to gain an edge..some are just better than others. the bigger the star the more you get away with. Hence you get 3 steps now that wade and lebron need it.
OF COURSE IT WAS BLATANT, YOU ####!!! That was the play Pop called, foul LBJ ASAP to send him to the line and end the game. Watch the replay. The ball is still in dribble mode, LBJ has not pulled up to shoot, and Bowen grabbed his shoulder with two hands, HOPING for a whistle to end the game on a two shot foul. Just because he was outside the arc means nothing. The foul did not occur in the process of a shot, nor was continuation a factor. The Cavs gave the game away through poor coaching and execution, the refs had NOTHING to do with it. Man, if the Spurs blamed their losses on the refs, we would never had heard the end of the incident at the end of the West semis last year when Duncan got mugged by three separate Mavs on the way to the basket and no foul was called. Get off of your childish conspiracy bandwagon, realize that the Cavs will be a contender in a few years with a real coach and supporting cast, and accept the loss and the lessons learned with grace and humility.
Finally, Wikipedia articles "prove" nothing other than the users opinion that posted said material. Check the disclaimer about unverified information at the bottom of EVERY articale on there.
First of all, wikipedia doesn't prove anything and is also not neutral. That was probably written by someone who either 1) hates the Spurs or 2) loves the Suns.
Second of all, the NBA would never EVER rig the Playoffs in favor of the Spurs. It's simple economics. San Antonio is a small market, plus many people find them "boring" to watch.
Hence the fear that Detroit would meet San Antonio in the Finals and ratings would be even worse. Also, nothing would make David Stern happier and give the NBA something to cling to, like Crowning King James Champion.
If the NBA was rigging the Finals they would've at least rigged the Lakers to come out of the West against the Cavs, Kobe vs LeBron.
Or maybe Lakers vs Knicks just to capture the markets. Suns vs Nets could've been an entertaining series or Golden State vs Chicago in the upset? All of those series would've been more entertaining, more competitive, and all around better then the trash we've been subjected to thus far. Sorry, but your team may be the worst to reach the Finals ever.
well as my final post on this website ill say this:
1. were do you get 10 years old? im 20 years old and have been a sports fan my whole life so get out of here and dont't waste anybodys time.
2.this blog wasent a joke. what it is, is the truth. but as the article says, you people would never say anything against your team regardless, even if lebron james had got suckerpunched in the jaw you would still cry bs.
3.like i also said above, say what you want, but at least we fans of the cavs, the jazz and especially the suns, atleast our team play with 5 players on the floor instead of 7 a commissioner and his cronies.
well it was fun while it lasted. see you guys on the outside.
and excuse me? but have you forgotten that mike brown was an assistant under popavich or are you just stupid. and there is a supporting cast, they just don't quite have enough experence yet. and one more san antonio may be a small market, but there bigger than cleveland so just what the #### is your point.
hill i think you need to calm down a little bit. here's some info for you buddy.
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NBA Rule book: section V--Conduct
a. An official may assess a technical foul, without prior warning, at any time. A technical foul(s) may be assessed to any player on the court or anyone seated on the bench for conduct which, in the opinion of an official, is detrimental to the game. The technical foul must be charged to an individual.
"I didn't do anything to invoke the reaction that he gave to me and what he did, so I had nothing to do with that," Duncan said yesterday. "So hopefully they take that into consideration and we get a fair shake from everybody."
as far as cleveland teams getting respect i wouldn't hold your breath. it's gonna take more than one championship for people to start paying attention. i'm from portage county but i've lived in some of the bigger cities in the US and trust me. cleveland sports teams get no love nationally.
things are heading in the right direction though.
just ask sean elliot.
Cleveland is on the cusp. It is very close, with Danny Ferry and Lance Blanks and the people it has in the front office there. The Cavs are going to attract a big-time free agent, another scorer to try and get them over the hump.
It may be the first of many Finals runs for Cleveland. You watch, someone is going to want to team up with LeBron James and try to win a championship.
10 years old? First, from your picture. Second, from your writing style. Third, from your attempt to pass off other people's opinions as fact.
"Spurs guard Bruce Bowen made a blatant attempt to injure Suns Amare Stoudemire"- This is one point of view, stated as fact. Most people don't believe it was intentional.
"Robert Horry shoved Steve Nash into the scorer’s table" - This is an absolute lie. At no time was Nash shoved.
So you need to quit citing a wikipedia post as your examples for why your team blows.
apparently things got heated in game 4 of the spurs--suns series as steve nash raced the ball up the right sideline in the closing minutes, nash saw robert horry in his path and simply dove into the scorers table!!
""Spurs guard Bruce Bowen made a blatant attempt to injure Suns Amare Stoudemire"- This is one point of view, stated as fact. Most people don't believe it was intentional."
Wrong, sisko. It was obvious to every writer I've read that it WAS intentional. Was your screen a little fuzzy? You wanna talk about the knee to Nash's groin? Also not intentional?
"Robert Horry shoved Steve Nash into the scorer’s table" - This is an absolute lie. At no time was Nash shoved."
Wrong again. Unless you're talking semantics. I guess "hip-checked" WOULD be more accurate, come to think of it.
So you need to quit citing a wikipedia post as your examples for why your team blows"
sisko-you're not impressing anyone with your lack of reasonable perspective. But you should listen to Dan Patrick on ESPN radio as he has David Stern on again tomorrow. It should get interesting. Not as interesting as your comments, but then what is.
-Ok, so Horry slammed Nash, but come on do you think he was expecting that it would work out as well as it did for the Spurs. Of course not, if they would have known what was going to happen they would have had a less valuable player check him.
-I hope Hall isn't really going to quit posting, he really cracks me up
Wrong? From people I've spoken to and pundits I've listened to on the radio, and on TV, most believe Amare's ankle clipping to be accidental. You can say you believe the opposite, but you can't say that info is "wrong".
And after watching the Horry/Nash collision about 100 times, it isn't that bad. For one, Horry is trying to draw an offensive foul. For two, Nash is trying to fly by him to kill more time. That speed, and Horry's inability to get there in time, coupled with Horry's obvious frustration displayed with friendly bump sent Nash into the table. If you watch Nash, he embellishes the fall for all it's worth. He kicks his legs up ahead of him so he can make it look worse, then throws his arms above is head. You can see on his face the instant that he realizes "I can't just lay here, I look like a wuss", and bounces up to go after Horry.
Call it a hip-check if you want to. But to call it a shove paints a completely false picture as to what really happened. Horry didn't just come up to him and shove him into the table. This was during the course of play with two fast-moving bodies coming together. The McDyess choke-slam looked way worse and got far less attention and no suspension.
Horry was trying to draw a charge? That's one I haven't heard yet. I guess you and I listen to different pundits and watch different TV. On my TV, I could hear Nash slamming into the scorer's table over the air. Drawing a charge? No, he was pissed because his Spurs just got punked on their own floor, losing an 11 point lead in five minutes while the Suns beat them at their own game. He was trying to draw a suspension, not a charge. Which is why he had entered the game a few seconds earlier. Wake the hell up.
If you watch that play and can't tell by his body positioning that he's trying to draw a charge then there is no help for you. Yeah he gave him a little extra at the end when he knew he wasn't there in time but this is big-boy ball.
I'd hate to see how your teams would fare against the REAL dirty teams from the 80's. If you think this was bad then you are as soft as the Suns team.
sisko-I remember the '80s ball very well. If you want to bash the Suns, go ahead. But no team today would last long in that era. As for your statement about this being "big boy ball," how much of a "big boy" does it take to level a cheap shot just because you let the game slip away? A knee to the groin is "big boy ball?"
Perhaps you should try using a little "big boy" reasoning, and stop letting your preferences get in the way.
I don't know what it is with Cleveland fans, the whole lot just seem to be dillisional. I have said this before and I'll say it again, blaming refs is just a crutch for teams that could have won the game another way, but find it convienent to lay blame elsewhere. The Cavs lost because they couldn't make any shots down the stretch, e####ally when the Spurs went 4 minutes without scoring. Not to mention that awful underhand lay-up that Varajo put up. Get over it. The Spurs are simply better, and LeBron will have another day.
Again, a basketball move that causes some contact. It was a jab step. The purpose is to keep your opponent from crowding. Does Bowen have a pattern of kneeing people in the balls? Absolutely not. This is an isolated incident.
I'm starting to wonder when people will stop crying about this season and start talking about what their teams can do next season to get better.
LBJ was fouled on his last second three attempt but either it's before the shot and he only gets two free throw attempts or he gets three shots and has a very small chance of making all three.
Your heading should be easy to win when you're the best. I can't believe Suns' fans are still crying, get over it the Suns failed once again as they will continue to do...its ridiculous "Horry shoved Nash to draw a suspension" Just like in Golden State where they pretty much run free-for-all ball and get caught up in emotions so are the Suns as evidenced last year when Raja Bell exploded on Kobe...The team isn't mentally strong and D'antoni doesn't have them under control. The Cavs have just run into a better team who won't allow LeBron to get dunk after dunk, the problem is LeBron isn't this living legend basketball god as NIKE and the NBA would lend you to believe. He is a great dunker, decent passer, and below average jump shooter who is being exposed as such, if he had any sense he would've taken a better 3 point shot as there were still 3 seconds left. Everyone knows that LeBron ain't clutch and his best chance at winning a game is finishing at the rim...Sorry your boy is not MJ, at least not yet!!!
Look Hall181, if you want to trash other teams because you feel that your team got cheated, fine. But next time you should try to use arguments that HELP your cause rather than hurt it. First and foremost, Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers and most of its articles can be edited by ANYONE with internet access which is why in the past Wikipedia has been criticized for its susceptibility to vandalism and the addition of unverified information and inconsistencies that are more a matter of opinion than a matter of record. That is why the sites content policies say that wikipedia should not be used as the "sole" source for information when no other credentialed sites offer the same information. Secondly, the rules state that players that leave the immediate vicinity of the bench during an ALTERCATION will be suspended, no altercation when Duncan was on floor. Third, there are 3 officials in every NBA game. That would make it 8 on 5, not 7 on 5.
well since you won't plet me leave:
1. to the guy that insists on believing that im 10, i was born june 16, 1987. so how old would that make me? or do you not know math and how to determine age?
2.the use of the wikipedia article was purely to show that even people out side of the sports world ( and wikipedia is techanically concidered out side sports) believe that its ####.
3. ncaafan, ever since the first day i started posting and blogging on here, you and sixteenballer have taken every opertunity to say something contradictory about my blog or my posts and quite frankly, im #### over it. look do me, and everone else on this website a favor and get a #### life you stupid #### loser. and you can tell sixteen the same goes for him.
4. i said THIS before and ill say IT again for third and FINAL time even if one of tgem would have walked up and sucker-punched him in the face you would still say its #### because the spurs are your team ( or you're on the bandwagon like alot of other people) and your team can do no wrong. im not going to argue the point with you people anymore. i belive it, and thats all that matters. if you people want to be stupid and niave than thats your problem.
p.s you people seem to be convinced that there is no way any of the professional sports can be fixed, well you are all in for a very rude awakening my friends because im going to present conclusive VARIFIABLE evidence of this in my next article. so get ready for a wake up call.
hall 181 ........ The underlying problem throughout the season has been the poor officiating in the regular and postseason.
But at the same time that doesn't absolve Bowen in his role during the series against the Suns. At the end of the day the officials have to be more consistent as to how they officiate the games and they also should be held accountable for the mistakes made. Rather Stern taking the stance that they're above reproach.
Stern has become an insufferable, intolerant and autocratic #### !
He thinks too highly of himself and can't see that the quality of his product that's on display has been deteriorating over the last couple of years.
hall 181 ....... Unfortunately for us he's liable to be around for at least another five years. And in doing so he could well well end up ruining the sport as we know it.
He for one has never been about addressing the real problems that have been a real boon to the sport. He's been totally about growing the sport in terms of business revenues and very little else.
The quality of his product has been in constant decline over the past decade and yet all he's concerned is with making the game a global brand and seeking to create a franchise in Europe. That initself is a rather stupid idea. Considering that there is a very buoyant league in Europe as it is already. Why would he want to venture into Europe ?
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agreed. going into europe would bring in a very mediocre following and revenue and unless something is done, stern will end up ruining te sport as we know it
hall 181 ...... I don't really know who's pushing this agenda. But to my mind it certainly can't be the owners who Stern is ultimately ansewrable to at the end of the day. But with his almost self autocratic rule , he leaves them all in no doubt that he's in charge and that no one can question his authority. It's a board who no doubt appointed him after a strenuous interview. But he ought to remeber that they can just as easy get him out with a vote of no confidence. But it'd seem that they're scared of this amoeba like joke of a self righteous commisioner.
well well well in case anyone should happen to read this and in case you didnt know, and nba fef is under investegation for FIXING GAMES. hmmm i wonder which games he fixed? so what do you think of that huh? it is just as i said
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You may not be well aware but I also write under the guise of tophatal & rampantfanatic. As way of an invite do check out my latest piece written under the tophatal guise titled What We Have Here Is A Failure To Communicate ! Let me know what you think as the to the merits of the piece .
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In light of what's happening now within the NBA and NFL , how do you see thingsd unfolding over the next few months for both sports ? Especially as Stern and Goodell are now caught between a rock and a hard place as to how they should proceed.
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Stern won't step down as the trouble has begun on his watch. He'll want to remain to clean it up no matter how long it takes. He's been there for far too long and has become complacent to believe that this sort of thing wasn't happening wihin his sport. For Goodell at the moment the action he's taken for now seems to be appropriate. For one thing though Stern has to be complete #### if he feels that this is an isolated incident. Before it's all said and done there may well be more officials and quite possibly players implicated in this scandal.
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Check out my latest piece written under this guise titled Unlikeliest Sport's Star No One Has Heard Of ! It might interest you with regard to the subject matter as it touches on motor cycle stars Ricky Carmichael and James " Bubba " Stewart and Valentino Rossi. From Moto GP to GP prodcution cycles. These guys are the top of the heap !
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Will do and I'll add it to my favorites as well for good measure !
I see that Vick pleaded not guilty ? But one shouldn't be surprised by that anyway as he'll certainly have more than that to think about in the next few weeks. What really surprises me however is the fact that Nike has yet to really an issue a statement as to their relationship. In light of that it will defianately affect them adversely in the long run with regard to their overall business.
I like both pro and college football and basketball and i like the mlb. im a die hard cleveland fan but that doesn't mean that my opions are biased and i dont suffer from favortism. if another team does good i admit it (usually). i say what i think and i voice my opinions and if people don't like it well thats just fine.
