I have to ask. Why do so many people still hate Mario? I can't understand this. I was thinking about that today, and I was saying to myself that the St.Louis Rams would chop off their arms to make sure they would lose every game to get him in the draft. Same goes for the Dolphins. I just don't understand why poeple hate Mario Williams so much. I love the dude, I root for him every play and I can see the difference between his rookie year and his second year. Why can't other people?
Mario Williams was the #1 player on Bill Parcells' 2006 Draft Board and I'm quite sure that if he was on the Cowboys' board he was on others. But when the Texans take him they all say that Mario is an automatic bust and that he won't ever live up to his draft status. But it was almost asured that Mario would have went to New Orleans with the 2nd pick. So how does being the #2 pick differ from the #1 pick? I mean really? It seems like when Mario was taken with the #1 overall, people took it so personal and they took it like a slap in the face. Why? These people (NFL front offices) are in these jobs for a reason. They forget more then any of us will ever know. If you people are such draft guru's why are you posting mock drafts in some "nobody cares" forum on some second rate website? It's mind numbing.
But you people know that Mario Williams was a mistake? Please. I assume these two guys would have fared better in Houston and have done better so far?
Vince Young 2007 season: 33rd ranked QB in passer rating.
But some how because the Titans are 6-2 Vince Young gets a pass. I would argue that the Titans are winning in spite of Vince Young's horrific performance thus far. Their defense and running game have been elite while Vince Young has been in the cellar consistently.
Reggie Bush 2007 season: Not even the starter untill Duece McCallister went down.
Reggie Bush also gets a pass becuase some how he isn't a prototype NFL RB. He's considered a hybrid, not a RB, a hybrid. Gimme a break. Have you ever heard of anything more pathetic. People know he can never carry the work load so they make an excuse for him and call him a hybrid. Adrian Peterson is a playmaker, but he's a RB first. Bush gets a pass because people know he isn't a pure RB, but they make excuses for his size, strength and ability to carry the load. What a bunch of ####. I wouldn't take him over Peterson and I wouldn't even take him over Darren McFadden, but some how the Texans were completely retarded by not taking him.
I guess Bush and Young are franchise stalwarts who are far and wide better than Mario. Gimme a break. Mario's stat line is 23 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 fumble recovery, and 1 defensive TD. Not bad considering he's playing on one of the youngest defenses in the league. Not bad considering that the offense can't stay on the field and the defense can't get off, not bad considering that Petey ####gins could be the worst starting CB in all of professional football, not bad considering that the two starting safeties are both no names, 1 was drafted in the 6th round by the Colts and cut and the other was an undrafted free agent signed by the Ravens then signed with the Giants then CUT, not bad considering that everyone behind Mario besides Dunta Robinson and DeMeco Ryans are completely useless and wouldn't start on 90% of the NFL teams in the league. But some how Mario Williams is the one to blame, some how Mario Willims is the player that should win games all by himself. What a bunch of total ####.
I understand that he needs to pick his game up and play with more passion, but he's been ultra consistent this year. He never gets hurt and he plays with great explosion and atheticism. Coach Gary Kubiack has been pleased with Mario performance more than any other player including the beloved DeMeco and Dunta. And we all know that if Kubiak doesn't like whats going on with a player he doesn't have any problem sharing it with the media and the fans. David Carr anyone?
So in essence I think we owe it to Mario just like we owe to other top draft picks to let them adjust and get totally acclimated to the NFL and the lifestyle of playing football as a career. Just like we allow Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, Michael Huff, A.J. Hawk and many many others. To dump on Mario Williams because it's the popular thing to do seems sort of lame and kind of a cop out, especially if you've never watched him play and are going by what some TV analyst says.
AMEN. People are just upset Houston didn't take the hometown hero VY or the explosive toy RB. But in the end I'd take Schaub over VY. Rome wasn't built in a day and I like what I see out of Mario...
WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! You can cry all you want, but VY took a team that was terrible without him and started winning games with them. Can you name one of their receivers. I can't even name anyone on that team other than VY, Lendale White, and Keith Bulluck.
You mention that Houston's offense can't stay on the field. If that's the case, and the defense is always on the field, then shouldn't Mario Williams have more sacks.
Yeah Vince Young sucks and Matt Leinart was good last year and he had to deal with a coach and system change so give him a lil slack. Mario is never better than Luigi but he is good. THE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY DOES AJ HAWK NAME GET BROUGHT UP. HE IS FAR FROM A BUST. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
You're missing the boat, dude. I'm not sure who is labeling Mario Williams a bust (I don't think you can be a bust in only your second year), but to be honest thus far he has been.
I'm sure he will develop into a solid defensive player, but as far as a game changing, perennial Pro-Bowler, he will more than likely fall short.
He is a bust at the number 1 pick not because of talent or anything like that, but because the consistently horrible Texans needed a face for their franchise. They needed someone who was electrifying and someone who would fill the seats and sell jerseys. Mario Williams was not that pick.
The better pick would've been to take hometown hero Vince Young and trade sad sack David Carr, or take Reggie Bush and trade Dominick Davis (who got injured anyways). VY and RB are exciting players and are game changers, Mario is not.
Sorry to ruin your hard-on for Mario Williams, but that is the real reason why he is a bust at the number 1 pick.
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If you're hearing that Mario Williams is a bust, then you're misinterpreting the criticism made for picking him #1.
Understand this: The criticism is going to the Texans, not Mario Williams. Mario Williams will be a solid defensive end, and may even make it to the elite status in the near future. However, the Texans didn't need an elite defensive end. They needed a franchise player. They had their choice of any player in the talented draft of 2006. Three quarterbacks that fit that bill were there for the taking as well as Reggie Bush (who, in my estimation, is extremely overrated). The Texans missed a golden opportunity and will maintain their subpar output because of it.
So I'll give you the break you repeatedly asked for - a break for completely missing the point.
divadisvet, good call, this organization has made so many bad picks it is unbelievable. Not that Mario was a bad pick but when you have a new team you need to draft somebody that will put people in the seats. And i'm sorry but Mario isn't that guy. Reggie and Vince were the one's that would put people in the seats. Then you could of commited draft picks to help them without so much outrage over picking him. But we have been waiting and hoping for the next great thing but haven't got it. Travis Johnson, Jason Babin, Pat Bucanhon, and yes Matt Schaubb. He has been no better than david and we still have the same line. Which is horrible and we have no depth at all, when 1 reciever goes out it shouldn't kill are whole team.
put people in the seats... right because the texans games never sell out. NOT. people in houston, unlike other towns, love football so much that we never give up on our teams and hence always go to football games. too bad you guys don't actually watch the games because then you could comment intelligently about them...
when Andre Johnson went out, the other recievers stepped up. Hello Andre Davis and Kevin Walter. Davis only has the second highest average yards per reception. the line has far fewer sacks than when david carr was around. Schaub is a great qb. The only reason he's hurt is cuz of cheap shots from Albert Haynesworth and Drayton Florence (he got fined for it too, shoulda got ejected) et. al. Texans have the fewest hits on the quarterback in the league and thats a true stat. he's just had way to many cheap ones.
Consistently horrible...
only existed for six years and thus can't be generalized as consistently horrible.
About time someone realised that Mario, DeMeco and Dunta are the whole defence, they have a rubbish defence that play above there level coz of these 3. Given the Texans a half decent secondary and maybe a line backer and you will see what great numbers Mario can post
The reasons Mario Williams should not have been picked #1 by the Texans are this:
1.The Texans are looking for a winning season and a star to be the "face" of the franchise. While they may sell out their home games, a very large amount of income is made through merchandise and I doubt Williams jerseys have outsold Young and Bush, lets face it QBs ans HBs tend to be more popular, espesially to casual fans and while fan support may still be strong for the new team now, will it last if there are a few more losing years? A "hometown kid" or "hybrid" RB could help with that by giving the fans something to be excited about even when things are going bad.
2.How can you say the Saints picking Williams at #2. was a given? They have Charles Grant and Will Smith at DE. They could have traded down to #4 with the Jets (who wanted Bush) and still probably gotten Williams, or least gotten Bush,Young,or Ferguson and some other picks to plug the obvious holes on their team that you pointed out.
3. The fact is that VY is winning games.Reggie Bush, who you point out wasn't the starter at the beginning of the year, (as if being drafted behind a former 1st round pick and Pro Bowl RB somehow makes Bush a worse player?) is leading the league in receptions and is just about on pace for 1000 yards rushing.Maybe he gets a pass because he is producing? Mario Williams on the other hand is on pace for 8 sacks, not bad but 0.5 sacks a game can't save a struggling franchise. Oh, and if you watched the games instead of "listening to some TV analist" then you know his fumble rec. and TD was really
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3. The fact is that VY is winning games.Reggie Bush, who you point out wasn't the starter at the beginning of the year, (as if being drafted behind a former 1st round pick and Pro Bowl RB somehow makes Bush a worse player?) is leading the league in receptions and is just about on pace for 1000 yards rushing.Maybe he gets a pass because he is producing? Mario Williams on the other hand is on pace for 8 sacks, not bad but 0.5 sacks a game can't save a struggling franchise. Oh, and if you watched the games instead of "listening to some TV analist" then you know his fumble rec. and TD was really an incomeplete pass. Also they spent a #1 pick on a DT this year to take the pressure off of Williams, he should improve. Vince Young didn't get a first round receiver, Reggie Bush didn't get any new linemen or a new fullback.
Lastly, what are you even talking about when you say you wouldn't take Bush over Peterson? They weren't even in the same draft! I'm sure the Texans wouldn't take Williams over Reggie White, Bruce Smith, or Julius Peppers either, but that wasn't the choice.
Have you watched a saints game lately? Bush has been running it up the middle pretty well... Just because they didnt automatically make him the feature back is not a reason to assume he cannot do the job. Their offensive line is gel'n now and you see the results? It's ok just follow the bandwagon on what everybody else says. I'll make my own opinions when I see the game.
Someone has a man crush on williams ... haha... that other guy on their defense that Ryans guy? way better and gets paid alot less.... :)
Call me crazy if u want, but if im the texans on draft day 2006, i trade down and take Ferguson(plus probably get another pick from someone in the process), bc they could have barry sanders back there and it wouldnt mater with the miserable offensive line they had last year.
Vince Young exciting? Are you watching the Titans game today or any others this season? My gawd he is s-u-c-k-i-n-g, the fans in Tennessee are booing him right now. I'm a UT guy who loved what he did for us and wanted the Texans to draft him but I have to now admit I was wrong. He has a great running game and his receivers are no worse than the Texans (with exception of Andre Johnson who has been out all season) however he is at the bottom of the league in ratings.
to build a franchise you need to upgrade your defense and o-line....and thats exactly what the texans are doing i think mario was a great pick, with him, amobi, demeco, and duanta that defense has playmakers now upgrade the o-line protect shcuab and you start winning games, winning fills the stands more than one exciting player who wouldn't be able to do jack #### behind a awful line
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Great Blog! Must football people that REALLY Understand football, know the principles in building a team. You must stop the run, run the football and no turnovers. In this world of overhyped offense and scoring, the foundation must be put into place first: both sides of the line of scrimage. Why draft a QB when it takes about 3-4 years to develop a QB? Why draft a RB when your old QB holds the record for the most sacks?
Fans in Houston will forget about Vince Young and Reggie Bush once all the pieces are in place, and they start winning. For the record, I am a huge VY fan.
First of all the Texans could NOT have traded down. Stop saying they could have. The other teams were not willing to trade up to the number one spot; according to the Texans front office, the plan was examined and thrown away because nobody wanted to make a deal.
Second, I was on the "we need a new and electrifying player" back then, and I was an advocate for Vince because of that and his leadership, which I thought he exhibited during his last season as a Longhorn.
In hindsight, Young may have been a good pick, but Bush would not have. 1000 yards this season? HA - that's what the Texans need. Their defense is struggling to keep them in games as it is. You're replacing one problem (lack of a running back) and adding to an already existing one.
What a lot of people fail to realize about the Texans team is that with Gary Kubiak coming in as head coach, he wasn't inheriting a team. He was inheriting a practice squad and Andre Johnson. Kubiak and the Texan's FO are building a team. No one player is going to solve their problems; Demeco Ryans is a perfect example: Defensive Rookie of the Year - he did a fantastic job and elevated the defense to a higher level than its ever been before, but its still struggling. It'll take a few more years, a few more drafts, and a few more trades to make the Texans a legitimate threat to any team they play.
Ugh, looking through the posts I have to say one more thing. The Texans aren't looking to put people in the seats. Every home game has sold out in the history of the franchise, believe it or not. grafsteppenwolf - tha
Ugh, looking through the posts I have to say one more thing. The Texans aren't looking to put people in the seats. Every home game has sold out in the history of the franchise, believe it or not. grafsteppenwolf - tha...
...that was probably the most retarded thing you could have said. The fans in Houston are the reason that Tennessee even HAS a franchise right now. I'm surprised that, after six losing seasons, games are still selling out. But they are. And until they stop doing so, selling seats is not number one on the Texan's list of priorities.
Excuse me, the reason the Oilers/titans are in Tennessee is because of Bud Adams. The Oilers filled the house back then too. When the owner tells you and your city, you will buy me a new stadium or I will move the team, you cant expect people to support your business. Ask the Seattle Supersonics. They ran a poll in the Houston paper back when all that was happening. Letting Oilers go to Tennessee as is 85% for, 15% against. Asking the Oilers to stay if Bud Adams wasnt owner 90% for, 10% against.
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