Come on Chad. How much of this do you expect Nascar fans to believe? Saying that you are “testing” different types of things right now. How funny is that. Isnt racing about winning? Do you actually think that those are things that sponsors want to hear?
Then coming out and saying that you could plug in at anytime and go faster? That you are doing future experiments right now? For what future? The future is now. Do you actually think that Jimmie’s fans believe any of this hogwash?
Since you are already known as cheater. Do we also add that you maybe like to stretch the truth a little? Jimmie didn’t look like he was doing any experimenting on Sunday. Or for that matter the 2 previous sundays. It looks more like your team is having a few problems. There is nothing wrong with having problems. Every team has them. No team is perfect.
Maybe its time to man up and tell the truth. Or is it because your head grew bigger then your ego since you and Jimmie have back to back championships? Why hasn’t Jimmie said that? Instead he leaves the track without talking to reporters. Which seems to me like he is really upset about something. If what you said was true. Im sure that Jimmie wouldnt be so angry and would have said the same thing.
So instead of admitting that getting a 3 peat is not as easy as it sounds. You decide to try to feed us this story. Or maybe Nascar is really looking into your race setups even closer knowing that you are trying to find that grey area.
Remeber you brought all of this upon yourself. No one told you to try to stretch the rules. No one told you to cheat. Which Im sure is a word that you don’t like to hear. What does Jeff think about your newfound strategy? After all he is the car owner. Did you discuss this with him? Or did you think of this all on your own.
What the heck were you thinking coming up with this excuse for your struggling team. Then to say what you said is like spitting in all of the others teams faces. Thats like telling them that you are the best and that you are untouchable. Chad come back down to earth and just tell the truth. The truth will set you free.
What happens if lets say 10 or 15 races down the road you are still in the same predicament. Then whats your excuse? Do you come with another story while your driver is still not talking to reporters? I think that Nascar has finally found your grey area. And you just don’t know how to react. Well get used to it. Because like they say. All good things come to an end. Im Out
It is a bit of a paradox that Jr. seems to be doing better than Gordon and Johnson considering or is it the fact that Jr. can drive a bad car to a decent finish while Gordon and Johnson needs a perfectly set up car to place well.
Either way, Chad and Le Tart has missed the boat in 4 races so far.
The other issue is many of the other teams might have caught up and surpassed HMS on the COT set ups. RCR certainly had a stellar finish at the top 3 positions at Bristol..
Photo- Good to see you back! I was just talking to a friend about that. Maybe Chad and Jimmie got so caught up in the old car. That they figured the transition wouldnt be that hard. But now they found out that it wasnt as easy as they thought. They are behind and it shows.
Jr had alot of practice last season driving bad cars. To bad Eury Jr has stroked him on bad calls for the third race. he did it at Daytona, California and also yesterday.
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JJ's teams does seem to be struggling this year. As you stated...no team can always be perfect. Everyone has some bad races or even a slow start some years. And that is OK. Perhaps it's just harder for them to accept this, as their last two season's have been great. We'll just have to see how this story plays out during the year.
ION- The funniest thing that I have heard is that they gave Jr all of the good equiptment so that he can win? How crazy is that.
Gerrel- What I have seen is a very frustrated Jimmie. If that was their plan. I really dont think that Jimmie would be as frustrated as he seems. Chad just got so used to deceiving people. That he forgot what it was like to be truthful.
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I would have to agree with you both about getting a new crew chief for Jr. 3 bad calls in a row..its like he doesnt really know whats best, he's just guessing.
Now then about Chad..ROTFLMAO you have got to be kidding me!! I dont know what Chad did to #### you off so bad, but you have some serious issues to work out.
I have no doubt that the 48 team will be in the chase and the team to beat. and why even bother asking Chad what is going on.. because you wouldnt even be able to fathom what they have planned or are testing or doing. It would be like trying to explain to a pre schooler quantam physics.
Jimmie finished 2nd at California and had a top 3 car at Bristol until the toe got knocked out. Say what you want, but enjoy it while it lasts because Chad, Jimmie and the #48 team will BURN you BAD!!!
HMS_ I call it like I see it. To bad you Jimmie fans are in denial like Chad. I never said that they wouldnt make the chase. But a true fan of the sport knows that crew cheifs dont give races away. Thats just not in their blood. They do like to make excuses though. Especially when you let your pride get in the way. I have never heard of a crew chief letting race after race get away then saying that they are experimenting. Maybe Chad needs to go get that bump on his head looked at.
Sure Jimmie has had his problems. But man up and admit that your team isnt 100%. I have no problem with it. But its obvious that you do. I love watching Jr week after week show up the reigning cup champion. It just shows that Jr can drive bad race cars. What about your driver? If its not to his liking then he is toast. And it keeps showing week after week. The only thing I see burning is your ego along with Chads. So I guess after Martisville. You should be a raging inferno.
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I never said that 48 was 100% right now and I know that Chad never said it either. I seem to recall that mid season 06 the 48 team was in a slump (for quite a bit longer than only the 5 weeks of this year)and yes, its only been 5 weeks, never the less, in 06 they came back and DOMINATED 5 straight with a 2nd or better.
Anybody who knows anything, knows that it all comes down to "the chase". So to complain or be worried or to focus on a few bad finishes this early is just idiotic.
I am certain that the 2time back to back CHAMPIONS know what they are doing. and for someone of your caliber to attempt to second guess their experience,talent and ability is down right retarded.
frevr3fan, I'm a Hendrick fan but have to admit this made me laugh because its true. Something seems "off" there this year, and not just the race cars. Is Rick putting his focus on the investment in the 2 JR's team? Are there residual feelings from last year's championsip race between 24 & 48? I only ask this because it was SO close and toward the end of the Chase, a few comments Chad and Jimmie made after some races about beating Jeff and how Jimmie was "the greatest, etc." seemed uncharacteristic for "team racing."
DW commented numerous times on FOX that Jimmie had benefited from Jeff's free advice in just about any situation and that it was unheard of in racing. Sure, he's half owner, but he wants to win, too. Maybe the advice line has closed. Jimmie also signed with a marketing agency in LA this summer. They will market him so the fans can get to know the REAL him. He said when he started at Hendrick, he thought he was representing the sponsor, and the fans didn't get to know the REAL him. But he thinks if they got to know the REAL him, they would like him.
As a champion, doesn't he attend LOTS of events and meet LOTS of fans? So why is Jimmie worried that fans don't know him or is he trying to distance himself from Jeff? Won't he be making all kinds of appearances all this year as champion and meeting the fans? Is he really trying to become America's Next Top NASCAR Male Model Driver? Or NASCAR's Dale Jr's BFF?
So, frevr3fan, what's going on at Hendrick Racing this year?
HMS- The only thing retarded is you thinking that its bothering me. Actually Im loving it. Especially hearing Chad make these excuses. Do I sense a little hostilty? Maybe you also are taking a page out of Jimmie's book. Whats there to second guess? Its obvious that Jimmie is very unhappy. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Nothing in Nascar is for sure. Ask Jeff? Wasnt it just a few years ago in 05 that he missed the chase?
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BYTEMOI- Man did you hit the nail on the head! Jimmie's biggest problem is. He is not fan friendly. Just like his crew chief. He also let his head get to big. Im no fan of Jimmie's. And not because of his driving. It just shows that he to is just an average driver unless he is given the best. Because given the right equiptment he can drive. But its his attitude that needs alot of working on. He has this I am greater then though attitude.
Thats why he had to hire someone to help him along. How many other drivers have had to do this. And yes you are right about being champion and not doing any appearances. Who wants to go see someone who can't even acknowledge his fans? His fan base is droping year after year. This past year ay Cali. There were twice as many fans buying Kyle Busch gear then Jimmie's.
Thats bad. But he brought it all on himself. His team is struggling not only on the track. But also with his popularity. And him and Chad don't how to deal with it. The last 3 races he has left withiout talking to reporters. And his fans are trying to say that nothing is wrong? They are just about as much denial as Chad and Jimmie. And as the weeks go on. The pressure gets harder and harder. As long as Jr continues to perform. All it does is put more pressure on them.
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frevr3fan- anyone can see that it bothers you, its obvious just reading your blog.
Do you see any other blogs knocking chad and jimmie? Its obvious that you are burning up with envy and jealousy, because they ARE untouchable.
Chad is a hell of a crew cheif and Jimmie is a hell of a driver.and you are not happy about it.
I wouldnt be suprised at all if they are experimenting. They know they have to come back to these tracks in the chase, so now isnt so important. Just watch and learn, chase time comes they will blow you away for the 3rd straight year in a row. and I like Jimmies attitude.. screw the media, when you are the very best, you dont need to suck up to anyone. how many times has the #48 team overcame adversity? time and time again. Thats what you call true champions. Even Dale Sr. and crew werent as good as Chad and Jimmie. No contest.
BYTEMOI- As far as last years chase. I think that there was alot animosity between Jeff and Jimmie. Alot of HMS fans dont want to believe it. Just like when Jr signed with HMS. Jimmie didnt look to happy. Maybe because now he wasnt gonna be the poster boy. First you have Jeff who is a proven winner. Then you mix in Jimmie who also has proven that he can win. But he can only do it to his liking. When things are not going his way. He is very unhappy. Jeff on the other hand can take the good with the bad. Even though at times he lets his emotions get the best of him. But this season he has totally done a 360. Alot of it has to do with his child. Maybe know he sees that racing can be fun again. Because now he has a wife and child to go home to.
A child as all of us know who have them. Can really put your life in a whole different perspective. Jimmie on the other hand. Probably feels that Jr has taken over his spot as far being the most popular Hendrick driver. And Im sure that Rick is also putting a little more effort into making sure that Jr will get his share of wins. Which has to be eating him up. And its showing in his attitude. Why else would he hire someone to make him more popular?
frevr3fan, holy fill in the blank. I quit being a fan, but had NO idea so many others did, too. Pretty bad when a current CHAMPION's fan base falls. Surprised NASCAR doesn't want the Current CHAMPION to speak to reporters after a race - no matter how good or bad he does. Seems kind of childish of him to refuse. What you said makes sense to me, but then, I'm a Jeff Gordon Fan, and think you have said things about him now and in the past that are spot on! You are very wise. lol Thanks again for the chuckle.
HMS- Wrong again. You are burning up inside. I can see it in your writing. I could care less where they finish. As long as Jr keeps doing what he is doing. Jimmie will need more then an agency to help him try to be as popular as Jr. You have so much hostility. That you even have to bring Sr into it. Maybe you need to regroup. So get a good nights sleep and maybe tommorrow you will feel better. But when you wake up. Jimmie will still be 13th in points trying to figure out what is going on with his team. And Jr will continue to be HMS's most popular driver 5th in points. :) Remember this is my thread that you are so obsessed about. :)
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BYTEMOI- Jeff has really showed alot of class this year. Even though he isnt winning. But it looks like he is having alot of fun. And that what racing is all about.
Why would Nascar want a sore head champion representing them when they have Jr. For not ever winning a championship. He shows alot more class then Jimmie ever can. Besides Jr is alot more marketable then Jimmie. Thats sad to say that about a 2 time champion. But it is what it is. Jeff knows how important Jr is to the team. All he is doing is bringing in more money. I still say that Jr gets HMS's first win this season. And he will finish higher in the chase then whats his name........Ah Johnson.
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Jimmie was never the most popular Hendrick driver, and by Jr. joining Hendrick, didnt gain him any fans. So Im sure Jimmie isnt worried about that. Half of the stuff you say doesnt even make sense, its like your making this stuff up as you go, in desperate mode. and the other half is a crock that your dreaming up. I can do that, watch. Jimmies fan base has increased 15% since Jr. has joined the team. Jimie in fact did not hire someone to make him more popular, instead has stated himself that he doesnt talk to reporters much because he doesnt need the attention or the popularity. Jeff Gordon said that his relationship with Jimmie has been better since Jimmie has won his second championship than it had been in the past.
HMS-LMAO When Jimmie wins 7 championships and has the impact that Sr had on the sport. Then talk to me. Jimmie can't even run his own career. He had to go and hire outside help. Because his fan base is declining. Very rapidly. Even his former teammate sells more gear. Now that embarrasing. :)
Jr. can never get HMS's first win.. thats already been done a long time ago. In fact, Jr. has a lot of catching up to do in terms of wins. Look at Jimmies stats compared to Jrs.
fevr3fan, ahhh.....Johnson???? too much!!! thanks for info on 24/48, who are not joined at the hip after all. Its understandable many believe this as they have presented themselves as "team racing", but its still EVERY driver for themselves at the end of the race, each driver has an INDIVIDUAL contract, and only ONE driver wins the CUP. Do you think "team racing" may be an oxymoron???
HMS- I can see that desperation has kicked in. Like I said. I really dont care about Jimmie. Now your fishing. Jimmies fan base has not grown. And I guess he takes after his crew chief. Saying that he hired that company because he doesnt need the attention? The both of them need to man up and tell the truth. This isnt about stats. Anybody knows that Jimmie had better stats. This about the season that Jimmie is having. Today. Not tommorrow. But that just shows how mad you really are. Now your just typing anything. That is the funniest thing that you have written. Like I said. You came into my post. Maybe its time for you to get some sleep. Good Night Gracie :)
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BYTEMOI- With the way that the C.O.T.has performed on the super speedways. I think that we will be seeing alot more team racing. As far as the other tracks. It will be every man for himself. Im sure that alot of the teams will help each other to run up front. But once there. They will do what they have to do to get the win.
What does selling gear have to do with being the best? so a lot of people like Busch.. big deal. they all can like him. I dont care. Is that how you gauge a driver on popularity? now I see why you like Sr. racin isnt about popularity, as in Jr. its about winning as in Jimmie. See the difference? and thats what #### you off so bad huh? lol. Thats all you can say about Jimmie is...his fan base...lol.
Wouldnt suprise me if you had a different account (like bytemio) just so you could agree with yourself.
Ahh.. Frevr Yes Jimmie and Chad old boy are off. Jeff and the #24 team are alot closer. They would be in the top 12 without the wreck at Vegas. But they are both off of last years run, or is everyone else on. Maybe its the COT and pairity. What ever I like new people winning and no repeats..Nice to see nascar getting it better. Just need some good rubbers under the cars...
See that is where lack of knowledge and experience show in you. The season isnt just the race we had TODAY, it is about tomorrow and the races at the end of the year. You just dont understand that, and that is why you are so confused. Chad and the 48 team (apparently unknown to you) are thinking big picture.. the end result. Stick around, you will learn.
HMS- You are to funny. We are talking about Jimmie's season. If you would get the mad red hatred out of your eyes and read the post. Then maybe you will see why you shouldnt blog when you are angry. Because you are way off what MY post is about. Like I said. I really don't care about Jimmie. And stats are just that. They are what happened yesterday. We are talikng about today. That is unless you like living in the past. Which is obvious you do. Even going out of your way to bring Sr into it. Jimmie is struggling and he is mad like you. Bottom line! So get over it. Trust me you will feel better in the morning. Because it is what it is. As I can see that you are nothing but troll. So shoo. Go chase a car or something.
Jeff and the #24 team are a lot closer? uhhh.. last time I looked they were behind in points. Where do you people come up with this stuff?
Jimmie would be in the top 6 if it wasnt for the spin at Bristol.
Noahspop- Jeff is really starting to come around. I think it might be his new attitude towards life. A change of attitude is always good. How have you been. It looks like your boy got his win. Good job.
"taliking"? cant type when you are mad huh? Your way off the post talking about kyle busch selling more gear. and your living in the past talking about something in the past. Today is the 18th. move on, get over it already.
HMS-ROTFLMAO And if my aunt had a package. She would be uncle. Dude you are really starting to stink up my porch. Now run along. Saying that if he didnt spin that he would have a 6th. Besides this is my post. So I can write whetever I want. Does the name Kyle also upset you. What a troll. Dude quit making me laugh. This is the most fun that I have had all day. Good night my friend. Just do me a favor and turn the lights off when you are done talking to yourself. Thanks HMS. You are to cool. :)
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you obviously have a problem, or else you would not have wrote this post complaining about what somebody else said or did. I not sure I can understand your anger towards someone when they have success (like the #48 team.) and to sit back and wait til they have a slow start or a little trouble and the jump all over them...thats a little bit ridiculous.
WOW !!!! OK now I am up while you both are asleep. HMS - What you are saying is they are looking at big picture, and now with the dumb chase this can happen cause they can take a chance and screw around cause all they got to do is finish in the top 12. Kevin Harvick got in 670 points behind the leader. If this was the old system they wouldn't be able tobe saying this or do it, if thats what they really are doing?.
It also show the co ck y ness of this team thinking in the first 5 races they don't care were they finish is streching it. In fact Chad saying this has made him look really bad if they miss the chase for what ever reason for here on out. If they make it and Jimmie wins, Chad will be the next Joe Namath.
Otherwise it will be bad judgment for Chad tobe talking about the eggs before they are hatch, and Thats what Frevr3 is saying, Thats my take on it.
Forensic-Thanks for putting it in a nutshell for me. Actually last night I ws studying for my test. When this troll came in. As you can see. He needs some T.L.C. He must be IP reject. I made the mistake by letting him sit on the porch because he wanted to see how the big dogs roll. Well its plain to see that some just cant handle it.
As far as his rant. It sounded more like a chirp from weinie dog. Because thats how he started acting. Well back to the books. Thanks bud.
I got bored and didn't read all the comments but think someone who knows racing should make this perfectly clear:
1) JJ, JG, and Jr. will all make the Chase this year.
2) Jr. is under-rated by many and is certainly one of the ten best drivers in a Cup car right now BUT
3) JJ and JG are the two best drivers in Cup cars today.
4) Perfect or bad, both JJ and JG are always going to get more out of their cars than Jr. can given equal handling characteristics becasue they have more talent.
5) The above are FACTS not opinion and there is ample statistical evidence to prove it.
6) Finally, Jr. would be better off with another crew chief if the right chemistry can be established. Jr. knows how far he can push things with Tony, Jr. but other crew chiefs might not let him get by with so much negativity and whining on the radio and maybe that is what he needs.
7) Chad is still the best crew chief in NASCAR.
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well i can say i read the topic and most of the views on it...But there is one thing that i have to 100% disagree with thats HR13'S last statement that "CHAD" is the best crew chief in nascar..NA i dont think so..Maybe the best at getting caught pushing the "grey" area or bending the rules and getting caught.. But over all the best crew Chief Has been with his driver longer than any other crew chief in nascar has been with there driver...Yes i'm gonna say it #20 HOME DEPOT TOYOTA'S ZIPPI is the best crew chief in nascar... thats fact not opinion..
ts20,
Well as usual, we must agree to disagree. Chad's been caught being creative (OK cheating) but that is part of what makes him the best. Two straight Cup championships speak for themselves. Zipp is good too but boy he sure did some dumb stuff last year that hurt Tony.
Great back-and-forth discussion. When all is said and done, the proof while be in the pudding, either the self-proclaimed and so-called experimentation will work or it won't.
I'm still having trouble accepting the fact that a team would put their year at risk and deliberately blow off races in the name of "trying new stuff" for later in the year. Brings to mind the "Tortoise and the Hare" story.
Maybe just maybe, NASCAR locked the lid on the Cookie Jar this year eliminating Chad's ability to work his "Magic"? I always wondered how he was consistently so much better than everyone else week after week. Suppose for a moment, this is what NASCAR was talking about when they said the COT would level the playing field.
Who knows, may be this year no one will win more than two or three races, wouldn't that be interesting? I was just rambling on a little. Great post.
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3fan- good stuff and great comments going back and forth. I have a sneaking su####ion that NASCAR somehow battened down the hatches on the HMS creativity factor with the COT rules. Seems like they have lost the setup across the board and maybe Jr is doing better cuz he is used to driving c.r.a.p cars! LOL!
3fan....your writing keeps getting better and better. Chad is the best in the biz. He must be, two straight championships with Jimmie Friggin' Johnson driving. JJ did nothing before Chad, and he'll do nothing after Chad. He reminds me of Bill Elliott, world class driver as long as he had the best equipment and crew chief.
Chad's comments are just head games. Trying to pump up his driver, while at the same time letting the other teams wonder just when the 48 is going to get on a roll.
Hanahan- A Fox reporter went to Jimmy's motor coach on Friday or Saturday and conducted an interview with him. He too, said they are experimenting and could change their setup to run up front each race anytime they want to. He went on to say the experimentation is to get the car right for later in the season so he could win the championship.
Like I said the other day, how believeable is that when the sponsors are spending millions and Henricks reputation is on the line. A more acceptable response would be: we just haven't figured it out yet!
Hanahan and Hawg,
Good comments from both perspectives. However, in terms of Jimmie Johnson, many fans said the same thing about Jeff Gordon and Ray E. and yet Jeff has continued to be a factor in the championship as I think Jimmie will be even after Chad moves on. As for experimenting now, that may not be so far fetched. HMS was way ahead of everyone with the COT last year and now many appear to have caught up. BUT, as we saw last year, once the Chase starts it doesn't matter who dominated during the first 26 races. JG was way ahead of JJ after the chase to the chase but JJ was awesome when it counted. I'm certainly not going to bet against that happening again. Both he and JG are lurking just outside the top 12 and will make the Chase. Then we'll see whether Chad and Jimmie are ahead of the curve again.
As an avid Texas Hold 'em player, I know there's no reason to show all you have until the big chips are on the table. Chad and JJ will find it very difficult to win their 3rd in a row but I certainly believe they will be a factor all the way to the final race. Even other drivers have commented they know HMS isn't showing all their strength yet. Look at it this way, if Dale Jr. has the green light to get all he can and JJ doesn't, you know JJ is going to be really tough when the time comes.
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As long as they don't have a string of mechanical failures/wrecks, Johnson/Knaus will make the chase. They have more stability in their team then when the #24 missed the chase a few years back. The real measuring stick for the #48 car will be at Richmond/Charlotte/Dover/Michigan. If they don't run well during that stretch, it would reveal the truth about Knaus' statements.
HR 13 - Have to disagree on #3&4. Agree on #6 and thats why I disagree on 3 and 4.
4) Perfect or bad, both JJ and JG are always going to get more out of their cars than Jr. can given equal handling characteristics becasue they have more talent.
Last year JJ was top 10 car in alot of races till end of race and Chad made the right change on the last pit stop. So Jimmie wasn't getting more out of his car. I did a post on this very thing showing crew putting a sqaure piece of tape/sticky cardboard the size of a license plate in lower front grill. He takes off and wins the race. Again Chad made the differents.
Look at some old races last year and that little square is missing till the last pit stop. More down force and day and night have cool down so it won't over heat.
Jr was running up front last year with junk cars compaired to JJ and JG. Jeff has stated on the radio to crew chief his car is junk and won't push it. For JJ It has shown in the last few races car was off and so was JJ. Granted at Bristole Chad got JJ car running better and on the move to the front till he made contact with Jeff Burton.
Dale complain about his car being bad going into turn, tight in middle, and loos coming out while going for 4th place. Not bad for a car that is bad in all 3 section of the turn at Bristol plus ahead of JG & JJ.
Do I think all 3 will make the chase yes. BUT - If Jimmie gets taken out in a few races and has some bad luck like Casey has then you will have to say maybe they should have been thinking that now and not later. This is not hate tords any driver or team
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I am a Nascar fan from Cali hoping to bring a diffrerent perspective to Nascar. And if not. At least I tried. I also love football, baseball, golf and basketball. I try to attend as many races a year as I can. Ive been to Kansas,Infine on,Phoenix,Ve gas,Californi a just to name a few. Ive been a fan going on about 20+ years. There is nothing like short track racing at Irwindale on saturday nights. Also love to watch and attend drag races. Of course John Force is my favorite driver. Im also a fan of Tony Schumacher. Maybe someday to be able to write about Nascar.
