Mountain climbing is one of the most rigorous and dangerous leisure pastimes anyone can tackle. Mt. Everest has become famous for more than just the fact that it is the tallest peak on Earth. The excavations to the summit have become legendary. The brutal terrain, along with the ever changing and unpredictable weather, have made the mountain a graveyard for many who have attempted to tackle its summit. Only the most experienced and seasoned climbers attempt to make that treck.
It seems that in recent times, mountain climbing has made the headlines for rescuing stranded climbers, than it has for legendary escapades. Mt. Hood Oregan has become famous over the past five years for the rescue efforts of those who attempt to climb the mountain in horrible conditions. I recall reading and watching the news on a few occasions, just this year, about rescue efforts being made to search for lost or stranded climbers. Of course, we all hope and pray that there will be happy news during these efforts. However, let’s take a look at another side to these stories, one that entails the expenses and danger that come to those who are putting forth those rescue efforts.
Each time a climber gets lost or is stranded, a search not only consists of manpower, but it consists of pulling resources from government agencies and sometimes even our military. While are hope and our wish as that there will be a happy ending to the searches, it should be noted that there is a substantial danger to those who are leading the search efforts also. This is no more evident than a search effort for stranded climbers in 2002, when a Blackhawk Helicopter was being used in the rescue efforts of some climbers who had fallen into a crevice. The Blackhawk was flying to its altitude limits during this search. Sometimes, at these altitudes, a downdraft occurs which can send a helicopter spinning out of control. Well, that is exactly what happened. The helicopter began twisting out of control before slamming to the ground, critically injuring one of the crewman on board.
It is worth mentioning here that the use of a Blackhawk Helicopter can run around $2,800 an hour to operate. This doesn’t include the manpower and other resources being used for this effort. The only time those being rescued are forced to pay back some of that money, is if they are found to be negligent. And even that caps out at $500 a piece.
In December 2006, there were three climbers who attempted to scale Mt. Hood. They were caught in a terrible blizzard, which isn’t uncommon this time of year, and subsequently lost their lives. The rescue efforts, though desperate, were in vain. In an exerpt from CNN News, Tom Kovacs, the former President of the Mountain Rescue Association had this to say…
“Rescues on Mount Hood are primarily done by volunteers. The expenses for the sheriff's departments run about $1,500 to $2,000 a day, Kovacs said. The full-time deputies and crews provide the logistics to set up the search, and the volunteers do the bulk of the work in the field. When the hypothetical cost of the unpaid volunteers is added, the price for a typical 18-hour rescue mission shoots up to about $8,000. In the more dangerous parts of Mount Hood, the typical rescue mission is two to three days, Kovacs said. When helicopters from the military or Oregon National Guard are used, the cost can go up thousands of dollars. The smallest choppers run about $750 an hour, and the larger helicopters can easily cost more than $2,000 an hour, Kovacs said. Add to that overtime, meals and supplies, and the number keeps rising. Part of the cost is covered by the military, because some helicopter use is considered basic training. Some states provide money to reimburse local authorities and donations contribute a portion of the cost, but whichever way you look at it, taxpayers foot much of the bill.”
Now, I may not be a smart man, but I have to wonder…just how smart is it to attempt to climb these monsters? If it is such a big deal to climb these mountains, in peak blizzard season, then maybe we should make this a spectator sport. Maybe we should charge admission for people to watch these selfish idiots attempt to have their day of glory, all at the expense of those who may very well be leading search efforts to find them later. How else are these rescue efforts going to be funded? I don’t know, maybe it’s just me…but it seems to me, that rescue efforts are only being made because of selfish and foolish decisions being made by “glory seekers”. Unfortunately, some will never know, and to those who lead these rescue missions, the glory of rescuing those who have been stranded become tainted, because they have basically just rescued idiots!!!
Hey, I like hiking as much as the next guy. But I'm not going to risk my life and the lives of others just to climb a darn mountain...I don't care how "good or equipped" I think I am. I find this to be one of the most selfish things anyone can do...personally!!
Couldt agree more. If I have a heart attack while jogging, I (or my insurer) have to pay for the ambulance ride. But I jog in a place easily accessible by the ambulance.
Mountain climbing, in my opinion, has surged in popularity with other X games, or extreme sports. Extreme sports, in my opinion, were invented by dorks that cant throw a ball, hit a ball, run fast, etc. These losers needed something to do with their time, so they invented the X games. And mountain climbing is the same thing - just richer losers who cant do anything else.
Try archery hunting for Alaskan Brown Bears if you want an extreme sport. No judges required. Just you, your compound bow, and an 800 pound bear.
TJ..thanks for checking in. Although I wouldn't go quite as far as you have in your comments, I see your frustrations. As for the brown bear hunting...I sort of quit hunting several years ago. I just can't make myself kill for sport. But if that's what floats your boat...then float away. Thanks.
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I respect everyones right to "pursuit of happiness". And if mountain climbing is your pursuit, then climb away. But you cant expect the rest of us to foot the bill when you run out of handwarmers.
TJ...Like I said, I hike...I don't really climb mountains. I go for day hikes....and that's maybe once or twice a year. And those day hikes are in the SUMMER!!! And thanks for your support.
If I feel the need to take an unnecessary risk, I just grab a mystery food out of the refrigerator.
I've always wanted to get into rock climbing, but nothing that would require an extensive rescue mission. Climbing Mt. Everest? Uh, no thanks. If someone wants to risk their life just to feel good about themselves...well, I guess that's fine. But asking someone else to save your #### and risk their own life if you fail? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Hey Fat! Glad you're back man. Good post here, and you addressed a problem that the mountaineering community needs to resolve.
In addition to being a river guide, I've also been a rock-climber for years (you notice I didn't say mountain climber). I've had one attempt at mountain climbing, and that was Crested Butte in Colorado in my much misguided youth. It's somewhere in the 12 to 13,00' range, not quite sure, but a big mountain for a kid from the Appalachians. I tried a solo ascent on a good weather day, and made it within about 500' of the summit when the weather turned and I had to retreat. Despite my stupidity, I made it down okay. The man upstairs definitely guided my steps that day...
I feel that these climbers should be held accountable for the rescue attempts when things go wrong. Perhaps they should be required to put up some kind of "bond money" prior to their climb, with the stipulation they have to repay any excess expenses incurred for any rescue. Communities can't be expected to continue covering the cost. And you know it costs the military fuel and such even if they use the rescue as training.
I don't know if they're being selfish or just plain STUPID! Man, you don't try climbing when you know the weather's gonna' turn bad!
TJ- great analogy about the ambulance service!
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I just remembered a show that was on Discovery Channel last year called Expedition Everest. On this show, there was one climber who was in obvious distress and near death. Dozens of climbers walked right past him and DID NOT OFFER ANY HELP AT ALL! One person tried to help, but it was too late. The climber died. I know it would have meant giving up on an attempt at summiting, but the decent thing to do would have been to offer assistance! So I guess there is a little selfishness there.
On the river, I'll offer help to anybody that needs it. Things happen real quick on the river, and I could never forgive myself if someone died because I didn't offer help.
If you go hiking or go on a long camping trek in Alaska, you will foot the bill if you have to be rescued. Climbers at Mt. Mckinley pay a "climbing" fee when they register for thier climb. It is not nearly as much as it would cost to rescue someone, however it is a start.
FAt- I agree with you. If you know its going to be bad up there why risk lives to waste tax dollars looking for your ####. It makes no sense, and Reverend I am right there with you. If I am more then a 2 ft off the ground I freak out.
My main Man, Fatmaw1, I miss ya man, yet I knew you were coming back with a song in your heart and a great story to write,lkie this one. The photos of that helicopter I saw on a tv show. Thet were obviously tring to recue this persom, he lived but the people blasted them for the cost to rescue these people.
Hey fat! I think the answer to this problem, and it is a problem, is that before hiking up the mountain at certain times of the year, the local government or rescue agency should have any would be mountain climber foot the bill for the entire expedition.
They could figure 2 weeks worth of rescue ops would be sufficient and make the climber(s) pay it ahead of time. If no rescue is warranted then they get their money back in full, but for those 2 weeks the rescue agency is allowed to earn interest off of it while in their possession. This way taxpayers are not having to foot the bill
for a couple of adrenaline seekers.
Either that or ban all climbing during the major winter months. I love to hike and what not but what the guys are doing is just nuts.
Hey Bronco...I appreciate you stopping by. Yeah, I have a real problem with people who think the rest of the nation is going to pay for them to be stupid. And as far as I'm concerned, that's what those who climb these dangerous mountains during peak blizzard season are doing...POINT BLANK!! Thanks for trying to be a voice of reason in this ####. I'm trying to be the same.
Fat- The only one that I thought was legit to get rescued for non stupidity is the family who got stranted in Oregon. They or now should I say she had small children. THey werent being dumb and climbing mountains.
Great stuff Fatmaw. I do believe it's selfish and a disturbing need for an adrenoline rush. Not only does it cost an unreasonable ammount of money, but for one rescuer to lose is life is even more tragic. Most of these clowns seem to have a gob of cash stashed away, so make them put up a cash bond before any accent. While it won't end the possibilty of rescuer loss, at least the financial end would be covered.
Thanks Bronce, Steelerfan, and Bob!! I am trying to find out how many people are killed each year on the World's slopes. It would be interesting to know how much money is spent on an annual basis attempting to rescue those who are STUPID!!!
Rev..I'm giving you a hard time...more than anything. I just saw in one of your predictions that you felt the Heels will be beat in the 2nd round...which they may very well do (shhhhhh!!)
Shooter...it's easy dude...you just pick the game, and flip the coin. Honestly, it's just a #### shoot. Some of the games..like VCU/Duke, and WSU/Vandy..I actually did some research on. But the rest...it's just a #### shoot. Especially now...I honestly think at this point in the game, the teams that are left playing each other are all legit. You could prolly go 50/50 on most all of them. It's just luck dude. You actually made up four games on me yesterday...so you're slipping up on me. Good luck!!!
i'm sorry I was gone that long on Cindi's blog. I've got a dollar that says that dude was Dusty. No new word yet, but as soon as anything comes we'll let you know.
Pick up the book(used copy):
Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer.
"A personal account of the Mt. Everest Disaster."
It's an easy read and shows insights into the mind of climbers.
I've been reading a chapter here and there for a month.
Personally, climbers scare me.
This book identifies unqualified climbers whose personal goals outweigh the lives of others.
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