That has to be what every blogger who has defended the SEC conference against the claims of being "overated" wants to stand on his pick-up truck and shout. In one of the craziest years in recent history in which ranked teams were falling as fast as Britney Spears inhibitions, the SEC beat each other up in their conference schedule. But the teams have come through when it comes to matchups against their non-conference foes in the bowl games.
The SEC had nine teams earn a place in bowl games which is more the Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC. Of those nine games, eight have been played with the SEC member team coming out on top in six of those contests.
The only two losses being Arkansas - to a Missouri team playing with a huge chip on their shoulder after being snubbed by the BCS for one of their bowl games and Florida who was beaten by an inspired Michigan team wanting to send their coach, Lloyd Carr, out into retirement on a winning note.
Neither loss was that huge of a surprise. Missouri plays in the Big 12, who historically has handled SEC teams pretty well and Arkansas has never regained their early-seaon defensive intensity since their big loss to Tennessee in their 10th game.
Lloyd Carr is 5-2 in his career at Michigan against SEC teams, but this was still a bit more surprising, with Florida having the ultra-mobile Tebow at quarterback and several good targets for him ot throw to. Michigan used their size and ability to get off on the snap to put major pressure on Tebow causing him to have to take his eyes off of his receivers to salvage yardage and protect the ball. They negated Florida's speed advantage on offense with a good zone scheme in the backfield and constant pressure at the line. Lloyd Carr did a masterful job of coaching this game - Michigan WILL be sorry they dismissed him the way they did.
So here is a breakdown of how the conferences have shaped up in the Bowl Games with one game left to play on Monday Night. No matter how that game turns out {LSU Wins}, the SEC will still hold a decided edge {OSU loses} in the bowl matchups from this year.
Conference-by-conference bowl records How each has fared during the 32 postseason games:
ConferenceSchoolsRecordPercentage Sun Belt (1) Fla. Atlantic 1-0 1.000 MWC (5) AF,BYU,NM,TCU,Utah 4-1 .800 SEC (9) Ala,Ark,Aub,Fla,Ga,Ky,LSU,MissSt,Ten 6-2 .750 Pac-10 (6) ASU,Cal,Ore,OSU,UCLA,USC 4-2 .667 Big East (5) Cin,Rut,UConn,USF,WV 3-2 .600 Big 12 (8) CU,KU,Mis,OU,OSU,Tex,TexA&M,TT 5-3 .625 Big Ten (8) Ill,Ind,Mich,MichSt,OSU,PSU,Pur,Wis 3-4 .429 ACC (8) BC,Clem,FSU,GT,Mary,UVa.,VT,WF 2-6 .250 WAC (4) BSU,FresSt,Haw,Nev 1-3 .250 C-USA (6) EC,Hou,Mem,SMiss,Tul,UCF 1-4 .200 Independents (1) Navy 0-1 .000 MAC (3) BallSt,BG,CMich 0-2 .000
Dash, nice scribble, thing is you know as well as I that some will even argue against this. Funny thing is those same people all year long was the ones saying Bowl matchups are the only way to tell which is more dominent. enjoy the games today.
Hey just saw Herbie and Corso on ESPN. Herbie asked Corso if he thinks LSU playing here in New Orleans matters much and Corso went on with his stupid comments and said no. LMFAO! Herbie was on side of him shaking his head and squinting his eyes because he knew Corso was full of BS. Just wanted to know your opinion on the home field adv.
If OSU does win this game what it will show is that the SEC is no better than the Big 10. The big 10 was 2-1 last year and 1-1 so far this year. So far I haven't seen that big speed of the SEC. I seen some lucky games the SEC pulled off, but none showing their dominance. Maybe GA, but look who they played.
You don't have to wait. You know you are inferior. A team with Easter bunny colors of purple and yellow can't be taken serious?
Saw last night - your explayers copying "THE" from "THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES". Did we grant you permission? You should use "DUH"lsu tigers, until granted official permission in writing.
Official slogan of game " less miles - MORE TRESSEL "
1 - 1 sec vs BIG TEN. Will end up as last year - BIG TEN 2 - sec 1. Where's the logic in the sec being so tough?
The crowd is also gonna be a shocker to lsu. A big % will be "THE BUCKEYE" fans. Probably a lot of 'em in N. O.
Ya'll get your "BUCKEYE" stuff ready for the game. Iknow you'll be wearing it at game time!!!!!
"GEAUX BEAUUUUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXX"
See what I mean? Michigan actually wins a bowl game for the first time in half a decade and the Big Ten already thinks their feces doesn't smell. They probably didn't watch Illinois get destroyed in their game, or Purdue needing a last-second field goal to beat a team from the *MAC*, for crying out loud.
Go ahead and try to cover up the facts, "THE BIG TEN" kicks azzzz on the sec. We don't care about conference, except in the bowl games. I don't like Wichigan, but they beat fl.
The sec is the only conference that has to shout: we tough, we tough. Is it some kind of inferior complex? It's a year around thing. Must be a complex from the south lo
osing to the north. I feel sorry for you, having such bad feelings. Hold your heads up you are equal, but in no way superior, to the other major conferences.
GEAUX BEAUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Odd. An SEC fan proclaiming the SEC as the best conference in College Football......yet again.
Kentucky: Barely beat a team without 1/2 their players from Florida State.
Auburn: Needed OT to beat an average Clemson team.
Georgia: Thank You Bulldogs. Pounded the most overrated team in the country; Hawaii.
Tennessee: The supposed 2nd best team in the SEC gets taken to the limit by the 5th best team from the Big 10?
Alabama: Nearly blew a 27 point lead to a .500 Colorado team.
Arkansas: No explanation needed.
Miss St: Congrats on a great season. But a win over UCF doesn't impress anyone.
Florida: They were dominated by a 'slow' Michigan team. Gave up over 520 yards of offense. Should have been beaten by 3 TD's or more.
LSU: I guess we'll see tomorrow night.
When all is said and done, the MWC will take home the Bowl Cup which is awarded to the conference with the best overall winning percentage in bowl games for the 2nd straight year.
The SEC compiled a nice bowl record against teams from Conference USA, the ACC, and the WAC. Only .500 against the Big 12 and Big 10, and nary a game against the Pac 10.
Isn't there a saying that goes something like this: "In order to be the best, you have to beat the best." Still, to this date, the biggest non-conference victory by the SEC this year is LSU over Virginia Tech. Didn't Kansas beat those guys as well?
If I were a braggadacio SEC fan, I would sure hope that LSU beats Ohio State tomorrow night. If not, your conference superiority theory has little if anything to stand u
Once again you show that you are a true hater. The SEC has thetop ranked 2,3, and 4 loss team in the nation. The top ranked 3 and 4 loss team havealready been beaten down. Once again showing the bias in the rankings and how lopsided and inaccurate they are. Michigan beats Florida like they stole something and I dont care if it was only by 6 points or not if you watched the game then you know UM dominated the line of scrimmage. I cant believe that you still think that UF was faster than UM after you watched the game. I remember watching a certain MR Harvin getting tracked down from behiond by a Mr Trent who plays for UM. That same Mr trent had Caldwell covered like a blanket on a couple of fly routes that didnt result in catches. If anything, the UM receivers were lighting up the UF secondary.
Its always the same, putting up who did what in bowls and for the 2nd year in a row the SEC is trying take credit for what USC did. Last year thay talked trask because UM lost to USC and this year its Illinois. Hey SEC, the last 2 teams you had play USC were embarassed also ask Arkansas and Auburn. The Big-10 was2-1 against the mighty SEC last year in bowls and 8-6 over the last 5 years. Even if LSU wins they cant even the score this year. Blah, blah, blah! I wouldnt worry about LSU too much playing another home game. OSU is taking them behind the woodshed and you know it! Nice stats but not tellingthe whole story as usual. You dont get credit for what your conference does against someone else or what another conference does to the Big-10, you have to put in your own work here, its c
WOW, Nostra. I just wanted the sec to fhut the shuck up. Not send them home crying.
You'll add to their complex, if you tell all the facts. Ease up on 'em!
GEAUX BEAUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXX
YEA!!! YEA!! What nostradomus and buckeyezz said!! Thats right!!! UofM tried to lose, having 4 turnovers, and STILL won! Come on now!! The season is over, so you can put down the kool aid!
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Rooting for a team is so last year. So when did pinning conferances against eachother legitimate? It sucked to see my Sun Devils lose, but USC sure made up for the Pac...that was awesome.
Well you already know my feeling about Herbie. Of course playing in your own back yard makes a difference. I don't think it makes as big a difference as our sportscasters like to make it seem - but more fans in the seats making more noise for your team, does make a difference.
The Big Ten as a whole has never fared badly against the SEC...just Ohio and Wisconsin. Joe Paterno with Penn State has a .675 winning percentage against the SEC and Lloyd Carr is 6-2 against the SEC in bowl games. It's just Ohio State at 0-8 and Wisconsin at 2-5.
In his defense, the coach that just left Wisconsin last season figured out a formula to beat the speed with power and a disciplined defensive zone. After losing three times in a row, he won his last two bowl games vs the SEC before leaving.
If, as you say, the test of a conference is how they do against all of the other conferences head to head, then the SEC has got ya' bud. And they've got ya' for the last 20 years.
You'd better like Michigan and Penn State and Purdue too. They are the only teams from your conference with respectible records against SEC teams.
Ohio State is to the SEC what my UT Vols have been to the Big 12...a whipping boy!
Odd...being accused of being an SEC fan by someone who has no idea what he is talking about. I am a TENNESSEE fan. Mostly because I have had friends and family either playing on the team or on the coaching staff since 1983.
I am originally from Texas, so my next allegiance would be to Texas and Texas Tech. I've pulled for them my whole life and especially enjoyed watching them in the 80's, even though I cheered for Tennessee when they met head-to-head.
Y'know - the 80's - when the Big 12 was the most dominant conference with Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado.
I'm calling em like it is boys. For the last two decades, the SEC has been the dominant conference...like it or not. The statistics don't lie when it comes to that.
Call those games anything you want - they are still wins...6 of them. And you beat who you are scheduled to play. That's not something you get to choose in bowl games.
Last edited by dashman68 on January 6th at 10:43 AM.
Same back at ya'. To use your words, you can't take credit for what some other teams in your conference did against the SEC, you have to put in your own work c?
Hater of what? That sounds like my 16 year old daughter and her friends. It makes no sense. I have seen you write some intelligent and well-thought-out comments before, so I know you can do much better than "hater". Sorry for the rant...its just dumb.
Yeah...that Arizona State vs Texas game was a wild one. It definitely wasn't a defensve struggle.
The PAC 10 usually has 3 or 4 decent to great teams and the rest pull you all down. It seems to rotate among the teams as to who is gonna stink it up too. You guys have a good coach in Dennis Erickson. You'll be back with him at the helm.
I agree. USC is the best team in the last five years in all of College Football...period!
Tell them Dash - they haven't figured it out yet, and none of them ever will. The haters will post mindless paragraphs about the SEC not doing this, not being that, and in the end, it all comes down to several very simple, undeniable facts. Without the SEC, they have no one to hate. Without the SEC, they have no one left to blame. Without the SEC, they have nothing to say.
Well done. Got another question to ask. I'll send it via g-mail.
"I'm calling em like it is boys. For the last two decades, the SEC has been the dominant conference...like it or not. The statistics don't lie when it comes to that."
Can you tell us who has the most National Championships of any conference in the last 2 decades? Let a alone this decade?
The SEC was an afterthought in the 90's. It was a decade dominated by Florida State and Nebraska. The 2000's have been shared amongst the Pac 10, Big 12, and SEC.
As for not "knowing what I'm talking about", I can respect your opinion. You should at the least, respect mine. You still haven't countered with anything that I commented upon, or is is it too simplistic, factual, and realistic for you to argue? You want to argue facts? WHO, and I mean WHO, has the SEC conference beat this year other than themselves? Nobody. Period. And THAT is a fact.
Also, if you could PLEASE tell me, how many away games did the SEC play in non-conference games this year? Compare that to the other 5 BCS conferences. How many games do the SEC play in their proverbial backyards in bowl games as well? The SEC rant as being the best is OLD, TIRESOME, and I'm sorry but, extremely OVERRATED.
does anyone know the record for most bowl wins in a season? i know 6 must be awfully close.
nostradamous, without looking in the record books i would think it was a safe guess to say the sec has more NCs then any other conference in the last two decades. I would also think we had the most bowl wins. But that is without looking at the books, so i could be wrong.
furthermore, i think the sec won 3 NCs in the nineties, for us that does qualify as an afterthought. For all others it is a dream come true!
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dash; i just dont think (with all the mismatches and 6-6 teams ive seen during the bowl season) this is the definitive argumeant. sec homers and haters alike, knew what was going to happen when georgia met hawaii, missou v.s. arkansas, come on , and colorado? should they have even gotten a bowl?
Dash- you are the stat-man so you should know that the SEC is 6-8 against the Big-10 in bowls over the last 5 years. What else is there to talk about? Its easy to get to the title game when you can cry your way into the top ranked 2,3 and 4 loss ranked teams based off of some BS that you think that your conference is tough. lol Well, the top ranked 3 and 4 loss team have already been beaten down as well as VT so what does that really say about the supposed SOS BS that everyone has been spouting off? C'mon, you know its all hype and BS. No conference is better than anyone elses as far as I am concerned even though the Big-10 is 8-6 and about to be 10-7 after this year against the SEC. It doesnt prove you are better, just that you were better that day. Dash, the SEC isnt any more special than anyone else and the winner of the this game is going to be the first repeat winner in the BCS era so who's really fooling who here? No one! Tell your 16 year old daughter to explain to you what Hater means so that you understand completely. It was just explained to me by my 14 year old so I figured I'd use it. You are automatic to be anti against all things Buckeye. I am rooting for a team and you are trying to defend an entire conference.lol pick a team!
Speed only counts when you get past everyone. Quickness is what counts. If have have a quick 2-4 steps then that makes the all difference. When I played i####uy ran a 4.4 40 he was fast but he had to get past everyone first. Hell I ran 4.5 40 but in games it was totally different. I was a north south runner. So I had to get past the lineman and the linebackers and if a safety snuck up I had to consider him. There is a rule and that is the first guy is the responsibility of teh running back. You have to make that person miss and to do that you had to be quick, have great balanace and be able to sidestep the tackler. Since I was not shifty I lowered my head and said "let's see what you got."
I loved to hit people that is why I also played special teams and nickle D. Not great at anything but man I wanted to knock the #### out of ya. Speed hurst when they get past you....
First you need to take a deep breath and exhale slowly. Now you may proceed.
I respect everyones opinions. I said you didn't know what you were talking about when you acused me of being an SEC fan. Don't acuse me of something that you don't know. Did you not read the teams I said I pull for when it isn't Tennessee. I don't pull for conferences. I pull for people I know and TEAMS I like. I've also been acused of being a republican today...tssk tssk.
Secondly, Nebraska is not a conference...it is a team. Just like Miami, with their 4 National Championships in the last twenty years. At the time, they didn't even belong in a conference.
In answer to your question about the NC:
National Championships since the 1987-88 Season
Teams with more than 1 NC:
Miami 4
Nebraska 3
USC 2
Florida 2
Florida State 2
Conferences:
Big 12 - 6
SEC - 5
Independent - 5
ACC - 3
Pac 10 - 3
Big Ten - 2
The NC is not the point I am making though. I am looking at the head-to-head records of the teams in each conference against each other.
It isn't "overated". Nobody wants to believe that the team they root for isn't the best or the conference that they play in isn't the toughest. I heard the same #### said about the Big 12 twenty years ago - and they weren't overated then either. The numbers speak for themselves. If the SEC more wins - then they just do. No amount of ranting about it is going to change that fact.
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Like I said before. The Big Ten has always fared well agains the SEC...just not Wisconsin 2-5 or Ohio State 0-8.
Now look at the stats of the SEC vs Every Conference in the last five years. The SEC leads that category and then the Big 12. The ACC was number 2 until their disasterous year this year.
Nothing is definitive when it comes to match-ups. Stat's ARE the only way we have to argue the case objectively. Everything else is just subjective opinions.
I agree that many of the bowl matchups this year were boring and horrible.
Let's not overlook the fact that 7/9 bowl games the SEC played in (including tomorrow night) take place in "SEC country". No wonder they were favored in 6.
One "upset" was MissSt beating Central Florida. If there is a direction like "Central" in your school name, you pretty much suck.
Arkansas didn't just lose, it was 38-7.
Let's not forget that without BYU blocking a chip shot FG against UCLA that Bowl Cup goes to the Pac-10 which has been decimated by QB injuries.
I love how you use the word "inspired" to explain away your Heisman winner's team getting mugged by Michigan. The Wolverines would have hung 55 on them if Hart doesn't get a case of the fumbles. That effort was a joke.
Speaking of which, where was the SEC defense? 28 to FSU's "B" team? 41 to Michigan? 38 to Missouri?
Congrats to Georgia for pounding Hawaii though. The Pac-10's worst team almost beat them on their home field.
"First you need to take a deep breath and exhale slowly. Now you may proceed."
Do you have to respond with any comment made against you with a downgrade on the person making the comment? I haven't. I've only questioned what you have said. Never have I bashed on you personally. You have.
You still haven't backed up the SEC in their bowl game victories this year. Again, I question, who has the SEC beat this year? Cat got your tongue?
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Nebraska has had a rough stretch lately. I don't think Bill Callahan has been a good fit. He's wanting to play a finesse, west coast kind of football at Nebraska?!?
Man, what happened to those mammoth corn-fed tractor-jockey's that Tom Osborne used to take off the farms to man the offensive and defensive lines? That's what I think about when I think about the Nebraska glory days. Players that looked like, and were as big as the mascot. Power-option football. It was a pleasure to watch, except when they were handing the Volunteers their rear-end.
By the Way - Michigan's wins are legit! In the last 30 year they have beaten Florida twice, Arkansas, Alabama twice , Mississippi - all in bowl games. Lloyd Carr was a good coach.
If you think that is bashing, you are a bit too sensitive for me. I'm being extremely courteous to you. ...ask anybody
In answer to your question, they have beaten six of eight teams that they were given to play in the bowls.
The Big Ten has beaten three of the seven teams they were given to play in the bowls.
The Big 12 has beaten five of the eight teams they have been given to play in the bowls.
etc... Just look at the post to see the other numbers.
Why is this so hard to understand? I have heard all season, "Just wait til they have to face all the other conferences head-to-head in the bowl games." Well, I did...and they have performed better than the other conferences. Period.
As for me, I'm glad that Texas, Tennessee, Michigan and Texas Tech won. It has been a good bowl season for me.
Without a doubt my Huskers have SUCKED big-time over the past 10 years. I have no problem with anyone saying that. They are and have been bad.
But the fact is, you still cannot contradict anything I have stated in any previous post. All you can do is attack me and my team. That in and a lone of itself is pretty sad.
You still haven't argued a legitimate point against my argument. Period. Keep bashing me and my team ,and my Big 12 conference all you want. The SEC STILL is not as legitimate as you want to believe.
I haven't bashed your team. I actually like them. And, for the record, as I have stated in several comments on this very blog post, I root for more Big 12 teams than SEC teams. I am a TEXAN. As in hook 'em horns, and what about them Cowboys.
I CAN contradict MANY things you have said...and have. Go do your own research on the College Football Data Warehouse. You will see that you are wrong.
Sheesh. I wish you would get someone else in the room to actually read what I've written and ask ask them if they think I have bashed anyone? You started your posts accusing me of being something I'm not. Have I called you any names? Did I accuse you of being a Big Ten homer?
All you give is OPINION. YOU provide ME with proof of your opinion. Don't give me generalities. I provided you with the stats you wanted on the National Championships (I dare to say that you were surprised that someone was ahead of you with 4). Go out and copy down all of the schedules and results. You'll never post them here. Know why I know? Because they would prove MY point.
If you haven't figured out that I don't care about the conferences, you need to. I simply report that stats as they are. Now if you want to argue with the statistics, you'd better find some of your own. Good luck.
Last edited by dashman68 on January 6th at 1:41 PM.
LMFAO! Dash you are an expert at stiring the pot my friend. I am enjoying this see-saw battle between you and Nos. Also you are right all season long everyone was saying wait till they go head to head with teams from other conferences well the outcome so far is obvious.
Dashaman58: I'm not here for a personal argument. All I am asking for is proof that you have procalaimed that the SEC as THE BEST CONFERENCE.
Nothing more nothing less.
Your best argument would be the SEC conferene record over the past 20 years against any other conference. Period.
There is no doubt that the SEC is a great conference, but to label them as "The Best" is controversial in and of itself.
They put the most players into the NFL. They have the biggest stadiums on an average of any other conference.
But, I simply offer, what have they done this year? A win over Virginia Tech? Your biggest problem is that SEC schools play NOBODY outside of conference until the bowl games. Even then, they play them at home. Throw in the bias of bowl games in the SEC backyard and you don't have a stick to stand on.
