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FOREIGN V DOMESTIC PLAYERS IN ITALY, GERMANY, ENGLAND & ITALY; A FOOTBALLING CASE STUDY
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Domestic and Foreign – a brief case study of La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Premier League.

Are foreign players good for a national league? A question often asked and with Sepp Blatter’s; FIFA’s president; comments about an introduction of quotas, a failry hot topic.

What is the actual picture? How many foreign players are in the top four European Leagues? Do successful teams have more foreign players?

Serie A

Team        Domestic      Foreign      UEFA CUP Final /  Domestic Title / CL Final  Coppa Italia Final

                                                                                                      

Inter                    5                  23              1                                     2                                          4

Juventus          15                10                                                       4                         2              2

Roma               13                14                                                       1                                         4

Milan                 13                16                                                       2                                        1

Fiorentina        18                13                                                                                                  3             

Torino               20                6                                                                                                    2

Lazio                 16                13              1                                                                                 3

Napoli               17                8                                                            

Sampdoria       26                6                                                            

Atalanta            17                7                                                                                                   1

Udinese           15                15                                                          

Genoa              15                10                                                          

Cagliari            21                5                                                            

Palermo           19                6                                                            

Parma               25                7                1                                                                                3

Livorno             17                8                                                            

Catania            17                8                                                            

Empoli             24                2                                                            

Reggina         13                10                                                          

Siena              20                12                                                          

                                                                                                 

TOTAL          346 (64 %)   197 (36%)                                              

 

Premier League 

Team         Domestic (Eng. only) Foreign UEFA CUP final / Domestic Title / CL Final  /  FA Cup final

                                                                                                       

Arsenal                    6                 25                         1                                3                   1                  5

Aston Villa               12               10                                                       

Birmingham City    10               17                                                       

Blackburn Rovers   5               25                                             

Bolton Wanderers  8              23                                             

Chelsea                   8                 17                                                            2                                      3

Derby County          17               15                                                       

Everton                     10               17                                                       

Fulham                     9                 23                                                       

Liverpool                 11               22                         1                                                           2             2

Manchester City     8                 19                                                       

Manchester Utd    14             17                                                           
     6                       1              2

Middlesbrough      18               12                         1                                                                           1

Newcastle Utd         9               17                                             

Portsmouth             8                 15                                                       

Reading                 15               21                                                       

Sunderland           11               23                                                       

Tott.  Hotspur         14             17                                             

West Ham Utd       15             13                                                                                          
              1

Wigan Athletic        13               15                                                       

                                                                                                       

TOTAL              221 (37 %) 363 (63%)                                           

 

 La Liga

 

Team          Domestic      Foreign      UEFA CUP final / Domestic Title / CL Final / Copa del Rey final

                                                                                                       

Almeria                  17                6                                                            

Athletic Bilbao       24              1                                                  

Atletico Madrid      11              13                                                

Barcelona              10              15                 1                                     4                          1                 2

Real Betis             13              11                                                                                             
           1

Depotivo               17               8                                                                                        1                1

Espanyol              17               7                                                                                                          2

Getafe                   16               9                                                            

Levante                 11             14                                                          

Mallorca                14             10                                                                                             
            1

Murcia                    16              7                                                            

Osasuna               17              7                                                                                                          1

Racing Sant.         18             7                                                  

Real Madrid            8              17                                                          4                          3             

Recreativo            14              10                                                                                                         1

Sevilla                    5                19                   2                                                                 1

Valencia               17               7                     1                                    2                          2                 1

Valladolid             20               5                                                            

Villarreal               10              15                                                          

Real Zaragoza     15              8                                                                                                           3

                                                                                                       

TOTAL          280 (59 %)   196 (41%)                                              

 

 

Bundesliga

 

Team       Domestic      Foreign       UEFA CUP final /  Domestic Title /  CL Final /  German Cup final

                                                                                                      

Arminia Bielefeld                18              13                                                

Bayer 04 Leverkusen         13              12                                                

Bayern Munchen                 16              12                                                  6              1                         5

Bochum                                14              13                                                                                             1       

Borussia Dortmund           15              10                                                

Duisburg                               15             15                                                          

Eintracht Frankfurt              13              12                                                

Energie Cottbus                 10              20                                                

Hamburger SV                     11             16                                                

Hannover 96  17                 13                                                          

Hertha Berlin  11                15                                                          

Hansa Rostock                  17              11                                                

Karlsruher                           12                9                                                            

Nurnberg                            13               17                                                                                           1

Schalke                               14               13                    1                                                                    3

Stuttgart                               17              15                                                                       1                  2

Werder Bremen                 14              15                                                           
            1                  2

Wolfsburg                          14               20                                                          

                                                                                                      

                                                                                                      

                                                                                                      

TOTAL          240 (49 %)   251 (51%)                                              

 

 UEFA

Champions League:-

2006 - 2007 Milan

2005 - 2006 Barcelona

2004 - 2005 Liverpool

2003 - 2004 Porto

2002 - 2003 Milan

2001 - 2002 Real Madrid

2000 - 2001 Bayern

1999 - 2000 Real Madrid

1998 - 1999 Man. United

1997 - 1998 Real Madrid

1996 - 1997 Dortmund

UEFA CUP

2006 - 2007 Sevilla

2005 - 2006 Sevilla

2004 - 2005 CSKA Moskva

2003 - 2004 Valencia

2002 - 2003 Porto

2001 - 2002 Feyenoord

2000 - 2001 Liverpool

1999 - 2000 Galatasaray

1998 - 1999 Parma

1997 - 1998 Inter####onale

1996 - 1997 Schalke

Team with most foreign players:-

Italy – Internaz ionale – 1st in Serie A

England – Arsenal – 1st in the Premier League

Spain – Sevilla – 15th in La Liga

Germany –Energie Cottbus – 18th place in Bundesliga

Team with the least foreign players:-

Italy – Empoli - 18th in Serie A

England – Middlebrough – 15th in the Premier League

Spain – Athletic Bilbao – 17th in La Liga

Germany – Karlsruher – 2nd place in Bundesliga

Conclusions from the figures:-

The Premier League has the most foreign players with 63%.

Serie A has the most domestic players with 64%

The trend towards recruiting foreign players has been upwards in the past ten years.

The most successful clubs within their respective domestic Leagues typically have a high proportion of foreign players.

A high proportion of foreign players at a club are not indicative of success.

Foreign managers tend to buy more foreign players than there domestic counterparts. (Although domestic v foreign managers is another topic unto itself).

Three facts stand out:-

Quality players (regardless of nationality win trophies).

Foreign players are no guarantee of success.

The influx of foreign players roughly matches the influx of capital into football.

Sepp Blatter:-

Quotas are ludicrous; Bosman has shown that the highest EU courts will not allow such barriers to fair and free trade. This move is taking on the shape of an exercise in power between national interests and club interests.

My final words:-

Football is a global multi billion Dollar/Pound/Euro industry; its popularity and financial health are better than at any time in history; for clubs at the top level for sure. Increasingly the gulf between the top national division and the rest of the league is widening.

A long term view must be held for the future of football as we know it to be saved. National Associations need to ensure that the cash filters down to the foundations of football in the home country. Youth development, local leagues the grass roots of football is important to the game.

The National Associations also need to get the balance of club v country right; too much either way and something will suffer.

Do you really want a European Super League with the same clubs competing with little or no chance of the participants changing. Two examples spring to mind of sports tearing themselves apart for money, darts and boxing.

In other industries the governing bodies or government or umbrella organizations protect national interest – why should this be different in football – national interst should be in seeing a healthy and vibrant youth development system which seeks to find and develop English talent for domestic and foreign consumption.

I love the foreign invasion, seeing Zola, Di Canio, Petit, Cantona, Weah, Crespo, Schechenko, Van Basten, Riikjard, Gullit, Solano and all the imports into Serie A and the Premier League has increased my viewing pleasure; long may it continue; just apply a bit of common sense.

Appecndix:-

I used Wikipedia, which I know is not perfect, but it provides a pretty sound resource for gathering the info I have used, ten percent of clubs were cross referenced with their own web pages and the differences were negligible.

I’m using my experience of English Football to paint a broader picture; any insights on particular differences in the way the other FA’s operate (whether better or worse then the FA) would be welcome.

I’ve been simplistic in making a simple distinction between foreign and domestic, for individual clubs a note of where the foreign players are from would add depth but for my study I didn’t think it was necessary.

Internet Resources:-

www.wikipedia.org

www.uefa.com

www.statto.com

www.soccernet.com

www.soccerbase.com

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albertagooner
Oct 10, 2007
11:08 AM
Very interesting stuff, craigy_f. Thanks, that looks like one heckuva a lot of work.

CIAO
Oct 10, 2007
12:01 PM
well done!

One more never hurt... But who is the 5th Italian at Inter? I only saw Materazzi and the three keepers on the club website that were Italians.

craigy_f
Oct 10, 2007
12:04 PM
about three hours in a coffee shop with wifi -

what do you think?

ta for reading :)

craigy_f
Oct 10, 2007
12:19 PM
I have :
Toldo - GK
Orlandoni - GK
Alfonso - GK
Bolzoni - MF he's come up from their Youth System and so far has only had 20 mins as a sub against PSV - no Serie A starts but he's only 18.
Materazzi - MF and ex blue

tophatal
Oct 10, 2007
12:22 PM
craigy_f
The moment that Sepp Blatter open his mouth one knows there's bound to be trouble. What'll he think of next by way of and how many indigenous and foreign players a team is allowed to have. And if UEFA falls into line with what he's calling for there will be problems all around for many of the teams within Europe.

tophatal

craigy_f
Oct 10, 2007
1:14 PM
tophatal - ta
technically England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland (plus the odds and ends) are one country (they compete as GBR in the Olympics) so how would FIFA get around that, I think it's history more than any legal imperitave that separates the home nations for football.

You have FIFA, UEFA, CONMEBOL etc then you have the FA, Scottish FA etc, then the Premier League, the Championship etc. then you have clubs/owners and mutiply that across the world and you have a lot of different layers and organizations to contend with.

The World Club Championship might actually have three referees (two to monitor goal line incidents) as a trail this year???

BobbyMcMahon
Oct 11, 2007
4:32 AM
THey separated players from the four UK countries in the early ninities in terms of eligibility criteria for European competition. Around about 1991 to 1995 I think.

tophatal
Oct 11, 2007
10:20 AM
craigy_f
It's ridiculous for Blatter to be pontificating like this. He ought to be dealing with real issues that are facing the game at the moment. Insomuch as he'd done somewhat of a fine job he ought to either deal with the real problems and stop coming off like an a politician , which he's not. The game is still rife with drug abusers and we've still got that little problem with which they're not actually treating seriously as far as I'm concerned. And that's the one of racsim not only on the field but off it also by way of the behavior of the fans. As and when they've dealt with that issue adequately then I'll be prepeared to listen to something poignant coming out of his damn mouth.

tophatal

craigy_f
Oct 11, 2007
2:34 PM
Bobby - who is They and where can I read up on it?

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