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Joe Gibbs Racing Nationwide Series Penalties Announced
Aug 20, 2008 | 5:20PM | report this

Joe Gibbs Racing Nationwide Series Penalties Announced

Well NASCAR has handed down the penalties for Joe Gibbs Racing Nationwide Series teams.

Both the Nos. 18 and 20 cars were found to be in violation of:

• Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 8-9 (competitive analysis -- from time to time, NASCAR may determine, in the interest of competition, that it is necessary or appropriate to undertake an analysis of the performance capabilities of a car, car part, component or equipment. The Competitor shall take whatever steps are requested by NASCAR Officials for this purpose. NASCAR also has the right to seal or impound cars, car parts, components and/or equipment for this purpose);

• Section 12-4-Q (1): (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used that do not conform to NASCAR rules, detailed in Section 20A of the 2008 NASCAR Rule Book, or has not been approved by NASCAR prior to the event, or is not required for the normal functional operation of the race car, or has been altered to detract from or compromise its integrity or effectiveness, whether operational or not);

• Section 12-4-K: (when NASCAR Officials mandate inspection during the Event, if any car, car parts, components, and/or equipment which have been used in the Event are taken from the racing premises without permission of a NASCAR Official, or are tampered with by any member of the team or anyone associated with the team: Magnetic spacer attached under the gas pedal with the intent of compromising the chassis dynamometer test).As a result, NASCAR issued the following penalties:

• Both of the drivers -- Joey Logano of the No. 18 and Tony Stewart of the No. 20 -- have been penalized with the loss of 150 championship driver points and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Joe Gibbs, owner of both of the cars, has likewise been penalized 150 championship owner points for each of those entries.

• Both crew chiefs -- Ratcliff and Rogers -- have been fined $50,000 and indefinitely suspended.

Here is a list of the penalties:

Penalties
Owner Joe Gibbs loss of 150 owner points for Nos. 18 and 20 cars
Driver Joey Logano loss of 150 driver points, probation until Dec. 31
Driver Tony Stewart loss of 150 driver points, probation until Dec. 31
No. 18 crew chief Jason Ratcliff fined $50,000 and indefinitely suspended
No. 20 crew chief Dave Rogers fined $50,000 and indefinitely suspended
No. 18 car chief Dorian Thorsen placed on indefinite suspension
No. 18 engine tuner Michael Johnson placed on indefinite suspension
No. 18 crew member Toby Bigelow placed on indefinite suspension
No. 20 car chief Richard Bray placed on indefinite suspension
No. 20 engine tuner Dan Bajek placed on indefinite suspension
No. 18 team probation until Dec. 31
No. 20 team probation until Dec. 31

Statement by Joe Gibbs:

“First, we want to apologize to NASCAR, all of our partners, all of our families at JGR, and all of our fans for the unfortunate incident that took place this past weekend in Michigan with our two Nationwide teams. A poor decision was made by some key members of our organization, and 100 percent of the blame rests with us.

“In 17 years we have never had any representative of Joe Gibbs Racing knowingly act outside of NASCAR’s rules, and that is something we consider essential to how we operate on a daily basis. What we have determined is that these individuals involved used extremely poor judgment in attempting to alter the results of NASCAR’s dyno test following Saturday’s Nationwide Series race in Michigan. Although in no way was anything done that might have altered the race outcome, these JGR employees attempted to circumvent the NASCAR rule book and that is unacceptable.

“We take full responsibility and accept the penalties NASCAR has levied against us today. We had come to the conclusion that we would add to any NASCAR imposed penalties with the minimum being suspension for the remainder of the season for those involved, including our two Nationwide Series crew chiefs. There will also be an additional monetary fine beyond the amount announced by NASCAR earlier today, which will be the responsibility of those involved.

“We are, however, disappointed that NASCAR chose to place our drivers on probation, as they had no knowledge or involvement of this incident.

“On behalf of everyone at Joe Gibbs Racing, we apologize again for this most unfortunate situation.”

Statements from the 18 and 20 crew chiefs:

Jason Ratcliff, No. 18 Nationwide Series Crew Chief:
“First and foremost, I would like to apologize to the employees and partners of Joe Gibbs Racing. Because of poor decision making, I have failed you as the leader of this team and I am solely responsible for this situation. Secondly, I apologize to the men and women of NASCAR for my dishonesty and interference during a testing event. Going forward, I will work hard to regain the trust and respect that I once had with the fans, NASCAR and everyone at Joe Gibbs Racing, including our drivers, who had no knowledge or involvement in this transgression.”


Dave Rogers, No. 20 Nationwide Series Crew Chief:
“I apologize with great remorse for the actions that I took after the Michigan race last Saturday afternoon. My apology is extended to NASCAR, the NASCAR officials, Joe and J.D. Gibbs, our drivers, all of JGR’s sponsors, and especially to all of the JGR family members that I have misrepresented. Joe and J.D. Gibbs trust me to lead this race team with honesty and integrity. I have failed them and feel great remorse for doing so. I accept the penalties imposed by NASCAR and Joe Gibbs Racing and make no excuses.”

Now how long will it take these teams to regain the integrity and respect that they have spent the past 17 years working to develop. Is the big question now!

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/bg/0
8/20/jlogano.tstewart.jgr.penalties/index.html

http://www.joegibbsracing.com/2008/news_nns/08
_august/080820_penalty.php

http://www.joegibbsracing.com/2008/news_nns/08
_august/080820_crewchiefs.php

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HotfootLori
Aug 20, 2008
6:51 PM
I just don't know, TSfan. It's a hard pill to #### and leaves a lasting bitter taste in my mouth. To answer your question at the end, how long? No one can speculate that as we still don't know who all was involved and what those persons actions will be going forward.

I only know that JGR will rebound and continue to progress as an organization. What else can they do?

JOKERSWILD
Aug 20, 2008
7:05 PM
Wow thems some Penalties right there- can you say ouch ? and both drivers on probation man Naascar ain't foolin around .

Im not mad at them though I'm sure they will rebound and anyway it helps Jr. get closer in points..lol

great blog very informative thanks

photogr
Aug 20, 2008
8:09 PM
As usual Disparity on the penalties abound with no equality or fairness as related to other teams being penalized..

God forbid if they found the urine bottle under the seat. I don't think it is in the rule book as an acceptable part on the car.

Gotta tell you. I would not have apologized to NASCAR for any thing. The biggest cheaters is NASCAR changing the rules to suit their fancy.

Last edited by photogr on August 20th at 8:12 PM.

nba is the worst
Aug 20, 2008
8:32 PM
WOW indeed...

HotfootLori
Aug 21, 2008
6:49 AM
Gibbs names interim Crew Chiefs: Kyle Busch, who drives the #18 Z-Line Designs Toyota for Joe Gibbs Racing, will work for the first time with veteran JGR crew chief Doug Hewitt, who takes over for Jason Ratcliff this weekend in an interim role.
AND: Joey Logano, who drives the #20 GameStop Toyota for Joe Gibbs Racing, will work with veteran JGR crew chief Wally Brown, who takes over for Dave Rogers this weekend in an interim role.
(From JGR PR)

klvalus
Aug 21, 2008
8:46 AM
Ouch indeed...good run down of the penalties tsfan! I prefer to hear it from the bloggers! LOL

I will poke around at CA and see if any of the No. 2 guys know any of the Gibbs guys...

Gerrel
Aug 21, 2008
3:11 PM
Yep...a heavy hand with the fines on this for sure. Will be interesting to see how Kyle B. and Logano work with different crew chiefs. (thanks for the heads up Lori!)

Even with all this...JGR is a stout organization, and will still be a contender at the track despite the penalties, and personal changes.

Tsfanpc
Aug 21, 2008
3:20 PM
Lori I agree it is a hard pill to ####. And like you said Gibbs will rebound and continue to progress.

Lori we will probably never know who all was involve. Because I still wonder just how much Toyota had to do with this stunt. I really would like to see Toyota succeed. But not at doing stupid stunts such as this.

Thanks for the update on who the new crew chiefs will be. I had not had a chance to see who they had chosen today.

Tsfanpc
Aug 21, 2008
3:26 PM
Joker it will not be much of a concern for Stewart since he will not be racing in the Nationwide Series anymore this season. But for Logano, this really puts a bad light on the rest of his season in the Nationwide Series.

Not sure how it helps Jr. in the points. But Clint Bowyer and Richard Childress are celebrating.

Well with the loss of 150 points in the owner standings in the Nationwide Series, it really closes the gap. Gibbs went from a 314 point lead to a 164 point lead.

Tsfanpc
Aug 21, 2008
3:27 PM
Now photogr don't be giving these car chiefs and crew chiefs any ideas. They might try and leave a urine bottle in the car just to see what would happen.

And I agree NASCAR are the biggest Cheaters. They cannot even follow their own guidelines.

Last edited by Tsfanpc on August 21st at 3:28 PM.

Tsfanpc
Aug 21, 2008
3:29 PM
nba thanks for stopping by. And wow indeed.

Tsfanpc
Aug 21, 2008
3:31 PM
klvalus glad that I could fill you in. Please do poke around and let us all know what you find out. I am sure that the No. 2 guys know all of the 20 guys. Especially since Kurt tried to run them down a couple times trying to get to Smoke. lol

Tsfanpc
Aug 21, 2008
3:33 PM
Gerrel, I think they will be fine. Because I am sure that if things do not go well at Bristol this weekend. Steve Addington and Greg Zipadelli will be more than willing to help out the new crew chiefs.

But you are right despite the penalties, Gibbs will be a contender. The only good thing is that Gibbs is still in the lead for the owner's championship. Those 9 wins in the 20 car kept them 164 points in the lead after the 150 point deduction.

elad64
Aug 21, 2008
4:07 PM
Really tough, but the coach is going to be tough too. All suspended for the remainder of the year. Hope they had a lot of savings, $50,000 fine and 13 weeks off before the off season. Because of his actions I don't think the coach looss any of his creditibility

Tsfanpc
Aug 22, 2008
4:15 PM
elad, I hope that he doesn't. But if this continues to be a problem, Gibbs will lose alot of credibility. Just like Hendrick has.

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