One of the things that people have noticed about Brett Favre this season is how much smarter he is playing with the ball. Brett Favre brought up a very interesting point in his press conference. He says that might be the case, but in his opinion he is preparing for each game and going through the same decision making process that he has for most of his career. He felt the biggest difference between this season from 2005 and 2006 is that the Packers have been competitive in every game. He hasn’t been forced to lead the offense back from double-digit deficits so far in the 2007 campaign.
One thing you have to realize about players is that whether it is true or not, professional athletes will rarely admit that they prepare for teams differently. Look what happened to Rex Grossman when he said he didn’t prepare for the New Years game last season differently, because it was New Year’s Eve. Brett Favre is a seasoned veteran that is perfectly aware that every word he says is scrutinized. I believe he prepares for a game the same way when he is 2-10 as when he is 10-2. He is one of the greatest competitors in the history of sports. However, he is still human. It is hard to be excited to play on Sunday, when you have no shot of being competitive. This is especially true of a seasoned veteran that has won a Super Bowl and been successful throughout his career. Even if he didn’t prepare as well in 2005 and 2006, he wouldn’t be stupid enough to admit it and cause a media controversy.
Still, does he have a point or did it take two losing seasons for him to realize he can’t force the ball into stupid places? Is he just starting to get it? I find that hard to believe. I don’t think you become a smarter player in your 17th year than you were in your 16th year. However, I don’t just take players at their word. I looked at the statistics and found some very interesting things.
1) Quarterbacks need a top defense to be successful – There are always exceptions to the rule. Carson Palmer is the good exception in Cincy. Rex Grossman is the not so good exception in Chicago. However, I don’t think it’s a big secret that QBs play better when they are ahead then when they are behind. I looked at Brett’s stats in the following manner: From 1993 to 1998 and from 2001 to 2003, Brett Favre had the luxury of playing with a defense that was in the top 12 in scoring defense. In those years he had 286 touchdowns to 155 interceptions. His average QB rating was an 89.9. That means that in 1992, 1999-2000, and 2004-2006 Favre played with a defense ranked lower than 12th. Favre had 128 touchdowns to 116 interceptions. His average rating was 79.0. The only year he played poorly with a good defense was 1993. He had 19 touchdowns, 24 interceptions, and a rating of 72.2. The Packers defense was 9th in scoring defense. However, this was Brett’s second season as the Packer’s starting QB. He has clearly evolved since those early years.
2) Favre has had 2 consecutive bad seasons twice in his career - Once was 1999-2000 and the other was 2005-2006. In 1999-2000 he had 42 touchdowns to 39 interceptions. He had ratings of 74.7 and 78.0. In 2005-2006 he had 38 touchdowns and 47 interceptions. He had ratings of 70.9 and 72.7. What do those two stretches have in common? In 1999 and 2000 the Packers ranked 20th and 14th in scoring defense. In 2005 and 2006 the Packers ranked 20th and 25th in scoring defense. Those just happen to be 4 of the 6 worse defenses Brett Favre has played with in his career. The others were 1992, his first season as a starter (he played with Sterling Sharpe) and 2004. I’ll get back to 2004 in a second. What changed in 2001 that allowed Favre’s numbers to shoot back up for a 3-year period? Ahman Green introduced to the running game and the defense going from 20th in 1999 to 14th in 2000 to 5th in 2001. Favre’s numbers shot back up in 2001 to 32 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, a 94.1 QB rating and second in the MVP voting. While it is still very early, if he maintains his early 2007 start, he would put up very similar numbers this season.
3) How can Carson Palmer put up good numbers with a bad defense? – Carson Palmer has never played with a defense ranked higher than 17th. How can he put up such good numbers? Very simple, Johnson, Johnson, and TJ. If you are going to have a bad defense, you can still put up good numbers, but you better have weapons that can make plays despite the fact that you are being forced to throw the ball. Brett had a year like that. The anomaly in his stats is 2004. Despite playing with the 23rd scoring defense, Favre had 30 touchdowns to 17 interceptions and a rating of 92.4. Why was he successful that year? There were a couple reasons. That was the season where the Packers started off 1-4, gave up 28.4 points per game, and had 40+ points scored on them twice in that stretch. The last 11 games of the season the defense gave up a more respectable 21.4 points per game. The other thing that happened were Walker and Driver combing for 21 touchdowns and both having over 1200 yards. Green had a 1,000-yard plus season. The offense had so many weapons that year, that Favre was able to succeed, similar to Palmer and Bulger with bad defenses. It’s pretty hard to survive with one Pro Bowl receiver, an injured running game, and a poor defense. This is what Favre was asked to in 1999-2000 and 2005-2006.
In 2005, Favre’s worst season as a pro it is no coincidence that 491 of the 607 passes he threw were when the Packers were tied or behind. 221 of those 491 passes were with the Packers down 9 or more points. If you look at this season, the Packers have the 8th best scoring defense in the league. The Packers beat the Eagles 16-13, the Giants 35-14, and the Chargers 31-24. I think the most they have trailed by this season is 4 points. That has allowed Favre to play more conservatively and the result is 6 touchdowns, 2 picks, and a 93.4 rating. Is Brett making better decisions? Absolutely. However, it is easier to make better decisions and not force things when the score is manageable. Favre can take the safe check down throw and punt the ball. When you are behind 10 or more points, the defense knows you have to throw the ball down field and can adjust their defense accordingly. When you combine that with a lack of playmakers, you get Favre’s 2005 season.
The best point I heard Favre make is when he talked about Drew Brees. He said that it’s no accident that Brees is having so many picks with the scores so lopsided. He said that he has been through seasons like that and it isn’t easy. Here is the stat breakdown on Drew Brees:
In 2006 Brees had 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions and a 96.2 rating. The Saints ranked 13th in scoring defense in 2006. Their 6 losses were by an average of 8.8 points per game. This season the Saints have the 31st ranked scoring defense. They are losing their games by an average of 21.7 points per game. Is it any accident that Brees has 1 touchdown, 7 picks, and a rating of 57.1?
I can’t believe that Brees forgot how to play QB. Had last season been his first and only good season, I would say the defense watched film and adjusted. Last year was his 3rd consecutive Pro Bowl Caliber season. When he was successful in San Diego, they had the 13th and 11th scoring defense in the league. In 2002 and 2003, when he was in danger of losing his job in San Diego, the Chargers had the 31st and 22nd ranked scoring defense.
Because football is a team sport, it is hard to say who is responsible for what. Do the Saints have the 31st ranked scoring defense, because the offense is ranked 27th in scoring? Maybe the Saints have the 27th ranked scoring offense, because the defense is ranked 31st? I would say that it is a little bit of both. The offense isn’t exploding out to a fast start and allowing the defense to play with a lead. However, the defense never gets off the field without giving up points, and the offense never gets to play with a sizeable lead.
In most cases the units have to work together, otherwise they both suffer. Otherwise, you need the Bengals offense, or the Ravens and Bears defense. A team where one side of the ball is so good that it allows the team to be competitive despite the shortcomings on the other side of the ball. Rarely are teams like that successful year after year.
There are 4 reasons that Brett Favre is playing better in 2007, 1) The Packers finally have more than Donald Driver in the receiving game. Franks, Lee, Jones, and Jennings are giving Favre other places to deliver the football, 2) While the running backs aren’t producing big numbers, they aren’t fumbling the ball away, putting the team in a rough spot. Green was a great running back, but the Packers are not missing his fumbles, 3) The defense is forcing turnovers and getting stops. This is allowing the offense to be patient and not try to score 21 points in a quarter, 4) The Packers are getting good field position in the kickoff and punt game, allowing them to have good field position on both sides of the ball.
What this goes to show is that even the best quarterbacks need weapons around them to succeed. It is 11 offensive players against 11 defensive players for a reason. The Packers are doing better because Brett Favre is doing better. Brett Favre is doing better, because the Packers are doing better. This is why his numbers have gotten better, not because a light bulb suddenly went off in his head. What is refreshing is that after 17 Hall of Fame seasons; Brett Favre hasn’t become so high on Brett Favre that he has forgotten that. It will be interesting to see if this young team can maintain this early level of success. It won’t be easy. They will need to improve the running game, continue to play well on special teams and defense, and value the ball. They will also need to stay healthy. However with an improved team and Number 4 still at the helm, I wouldn’t bet against it.
1) A QB needs a respectable Offensive Line to survive and produce results. Green Bay has done this well, unlike the past two seasons.
Add a pretty decent defense and a sprinkling of Favre and you have a recipe for Packer success. Congrats to a classy organization.
SLS - Definatley. The Pack have been in transition the last 2 years, and Favre's numbers really took a hit for it. Hopefully they can make the jump to the playoffs this year.
Jay - The stats don't bear that out. In 2001, when Favre threw 32 touchdowns and finished second in the MVP voting. The Packers gave up 23 sacks. In 02 it was 27. In 03 it was 19. In 04 it was 14. In 05 it was 27. In 06 it was 24.
The Packer offensive line is always at the top of the league in pass protection. Favre has good mobility and a quick release. Even when the Pack struggled in 05 and 06, Favre wasn't sacked a lot more that the years when the Packers had a good record. The main reason the sacks went up was the pass attempts were above 600.
I'm not denying the line has blocked better so far. However, the main noticable difference is that defense. They beat Philly because the defense held the Eagles to a 3 and out punt after Favre fumbled at the Packer 40 yard line in the 4th quarter. They sealed the Charger game by intercepting a pass late in the game. In 04, 05, and 06, the defense gives up a TD and the Packers lose both of those games. In 04, 05, and 06 the Packers are 1-2. The defense is the most noticable difference in the team so far this season.
Last edited by StreetCred on September 27th at 8:56 PM.
Have you been watching this season? He sits in the pocket for a good extra second on average from what I saw last year. Last year, defenders were on him quick.
smarter / smarter / smarter ... hell no he's got more team .. when he was pushin the envelope he was doing it for the team he don't give a #### about int's.. this man will end up with all the records ... he wants another ring ...
Tiger, Marty, Ka - Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed the article.
Jay - I have probably watched all but 5 games of Brett Favre's career. Your first comment was that the main difference between last year and this year is the offensive line. That means that your opinion is that of all the things that have changed since last season, the offensive line play has been the most important.
I do not dispute that the offensive line has improved from 06. They had 3 first time starters last season. However, if I had a choice between taking the 06 defense or the 06 offensive line and putting it on this team, I would take the offensive line. They didn't give up 50 sacks last season.
While the 06 defense played well to close the season, that was against San Fran, Detroit, Minnesota, and Chicago with nothing to play for. I remember the 38 and 35 points they gave up to the Pats and Jets in back to back weeks.
This defense is putting even more pressure on the ball, is still forcing turnovers, but most importantly is getting stops at key moments. That is something they just didn't do last season. Because of that the Packers are not behind in games as early and teams have to guard against the short passes. Last year they could just all out blitz in a lot of games, because the Packers were down early and had to go downfield.
This may be something where we have to agree to disagree. Hoewever, I encourage you to check out www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol. php. Offensive line stats for every team since 2001. May change your mind.
Last edited by StreetCred on September 28th at 7:27 AM.
Very nice Blog. I'm a huge Pack fan, but also a realist. They're off to a good start, but I'm still wondering the "for real" question. Your article provides a good statistical perception of things that I had not considered. Just what a good writer is supposed to produce. Nice.
Would agree on most of the assessments but really think it’s a combinations of Brett’s seasoned experience, he might be playing with the thought it’s his last year, he tends to go with what the defense give’s him, and a better offensive line?
Looking back on a few other QB’s look at Denver’s (Elway) was in his later years when he finally put it all together! I think you have the same thing here with Brett (not to say he hasn’t had it together before but may coming into his own with out the talent around him?).
On Point - I'm glad you enjoyed the article. I think they have a good shot to make the playoffs. I picked them as my #6 seed. I haven't seen anything that would suggest that is unrealistic. They should be able to accomplish that much. However, I too a nervous, mainly because of the poor results in the running game. It should be a much more enjoyable season than the last two.
To be perfectly honest...your Rex Grossman reference doesn't make much sense to me...
He sucks all the time.
He could've prepared all year for the New York game.
He still would've tossed INT's by the dozens. That's what he does. He get's stressed out and forgets what color his jersey is. But it's not all bad, at least he does throw tons of touchdowns.
Fallgood - Good comments. Here is something to consider. Elways last 3 years (1996-1998)saw the team go 39-9. They were 4th, 1st, and 2nd in scoring offense those three years. However, in 1994 and 1995, they finished 9th and 10th w/ a .500 team.
Davis gets a lot of credit for helping Elway win those two rings. He deserves it. However, the most noticable difference between the 94 & 95 Broncos and the three good squads that followed was that Denver boasted the 25th and 17th ranked defenses in terms of points allowed in 94 and 95, while they finished 7th, 7th, and 8th in 1996 through 1998. Elway has his defense to thank as much as Davis for that turn around.
Reasonable minds could argue that the running game caused the defense to improve, more than the defense improved. However, Denver brought in a lot of good players to sure up that unit. The Denver D was the unit that stopped Favre in the Super Bowl from forcing O/T.
Again, the Packer offensive line looks better this year. I don't deny that plays a part in it. However, the most noticable difference that I see is a defense that gets the offense back on the field, protects a lead, and makes game changing plays.
Poolboy - I'm not sure where your from. You have to remember that I live in Chicago and get to listen to the Chicago media scrutinize every Grossman move. All I was saying that when Brett says he is preparing the same way in 07 as 06 and 05. I believe him. He plays hard every play. However, even if didn't prepare the same in 05 and 06 he wouldn't be stupid enough to admit it, becuase of the media contraversy it would cause.
When Grossman explained his 0.0 QB rating to the media and fans, he said he didn't prepare as hard as he should have, because he was distracted by New Years Eve. That caused a huge stir in Chicago. Grossman's problems in Chicago have as much to do with how he handled the media as much as how he handled the football. He would have been much better served to say that he stunk that game and move on, rather than trying to explain his mistakes, causing more fuel to be added to the fire.
I wasn't trying to compare Favre and Grossman. I was just commenting on Favre's press conference. I was trying to prove that what Favre said was probably true, as evidenced by the stats. Him just saying it didn't really mean anything, because there was really nothing else he could say. He's smart enough in his 17th year to know that.
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Oh, and not to nit pick, but in the first five games of the season...the FACT that they gave up 40+ points twice greatly increases their scoring def avg.
If you take out those two games...the three games left the Def only gave up 16.3 ppg...and the pack were still only 1-2...can't put it all on the Def.
They only scored 7 and 10 ponts in their two losses. Sounds more like an offensive than a defensive problem to me.
Finally a good article. Had I seen Whitlocks name on it I would not have read it! I hope I am wrong but I keep waiting for a meltdown and a reversion to the days of INTs and poor defense. One more season of deep into the playoffs and I think #4 will probably head south to home. What a black day that will be.
Oh, no, I believe that Brett prepared...I'm just suggesting that using Grossman like you did in the first paragraph might not be the best comparison...But I definately believe you that Favre prepares 100% every week...
I'm just saying that just because Grossman didn't have a good game on New Years isn't entirely because he didn't prepare...It's because he sucks.
Poocahi - I just try to call it the way I see it. I'm glad you enjoyed the article.
Poolboy - I 100% agree. Grossman blew on New Years, because he isn't a good QB. His mistake was not being forthright on that and trying to blame it on a lack of preperation.
On to your comment about the defense. In 2006 the Packers gave up 27 points / game in the first 12 weeks of the season. That totals 324 points. The 49ers, who allowed a league high 412 points, gave up an average of 25.75 points per game. Despite allowing only 42 points in the last 4 games, the Packers were still 25th in points allowed.
That Packer defense was among the worst units in the NFL for the first 12 weeks of the season. While the Packers offense is scoring 23.43 points per game in their 7 game winning streak, up from the 18.25 they averaged in the 4-8 start to 06; the defense is giving up 13.29 points per game, or half of what they gave up in the 4-8 start. Yes, the line is playing better. Yes, Favre is playing smarter. But they are in position to do that, because of the dramatic improvement in the defense.
Last edited by StreetCred on September 28th at 8:58 AM.
Nice Blog... I have been saying of the past two years he had no time to throw. Recievers kept dropping balls, players were hurt, no offensive line and everyone blamed Brett.
One man does not a win a game it takes everyone on the tam to step up and play and so far this year that is what Green Bay is doing.
Dog - I'm glad you enjoyed the blog. I 100% agree with that. The line is playing better, the receivers, the defense, the QB. Football is a team effort.
I think one thing people have to remember is that I'm not saying the o line hasn't improved at all since 05 and 06. I'm just saying there have been other areas of improvement that have been more important, mainly a defense that can actually help the the offense, not hinder it.
Sack totals given up by an o-line don't mean that much to me. If the QB doesn't have time to throw, he'll unload faster, increasing the risk of an INT by having to forvce the ball in places.
Jay - That's true. I can't argue with that. The key number to me is that while the Packers offense is scoring 23.43 points per game in their 7 game winning streak, up from the 18.25 they averaged in the 4-8 start to 06; the defense is giving up 13.29 points per game, down from the 27 points per game they gave up in the 4-8 start.
I think we are pretty much sticking to our positions. The beatuy of football is that with 22 starting offensive and defensive positions and special teams there are a lot of different ways you can go to explain why teams are successful and why they are not.
One thing no one has really mentioned is that the distance Cosby gets on his kickoffs is a great improvement over the Longwell era and Raymer's first year. That is really helping the offense and defense.
Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree. Enjoy the Packers good early season fortunes. I know I am. Thank you for the comments.
Last edited by StreetCred on September 28th at 11:07 AM.
One Rex quote confused me at first also, it was the one "There are always exceptions to the rule. Carson Palmer in Cincy and Rex Grossman in Chicago." At first I thought you were trying to say that Grossman, like Palmer, was successfull in spite of a bad Chicago D, but that was so way out of whack I knew it wasn't what you were saying. I think, and correct me if I am wrong, that you were saying a good D doesn't insure good QB play or low interceptions.
But this was a really good blog, all points well made. I agree with them all, but football is such a complex thing its hard to make generalities out to be absolute truth's. For example, as you stated, a QB underperforming, especially by throwing int's, leads to what is perceived as bad defense. The first int maybegives the other team a short field, which drastically increases the chances of scoring. Now the QB is maybe put in a position because of points where he has to throw more, can't afford to waste opportunities, so maybe he throws into double coverage. ####, the D has another short field, and the situation is suddenly worse. This is sorta what happened in the Dallas Chicago game. Things were close (tied 10-10 in the third) until RG started slinging the ball to my 'Boys. So a good D ends up giving up lots of points due to poor QB play.
Just saying it's sometimes not so clear whether the chicken came before the egg or vice-versa.
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Instead of tossing unsubstantiated ####-bombs about people, why don't you take your balls and your brain out of the lock-box and make a reasoned comment about somebody?? Take a ride on the clue-bus scum-bag.
Troy - I can see where you got confused. I was saying there are exceptions to the rule. Palmer is a good QB with a bad defense. Grossman is a bad QB with an excellent defense.
I agree with you that football is so complex that there are different ways to look at why teams are successful. Just on this post, I have people that are arguing that the better play of the O line is responsible for the turnaround, even more than the D.
Its the same with the QB and WR argument. Does a great QB make his receivers look great or do great WR make a QB look great. In a game with so many positions there are several views you can take. Good comments.
Swissland - Don't get so upset. He is obviously a Vikings fan. This type of behavior is typical of Viking fans. 90% of the Vikings fans I know don't really like the Vikings as much as they hate the Packers. I have never seen a group of fans with that big of an inferiority complex.
You just have to learn to appreciate what we have (Boat Load of Hall of Famers, Rings, Tradition) and thankful of what we don't have (Love Boats, 0-4 Super Bowl record, revolving door at QB).
As much as we(you not me) like Farve, i think he dogged it the last two years. he missed all these camps because of illnesses in his wife's family, etc. that was valuable time missed working with his new teamates, and losing Walker that year didn't help. people always got all these excuses for Farve, but the truth is he's cocky on the field and that shows in some of his plays on the field. While having a better defense has helped, let them play a team with a strong passing defense and see how they do. SD and NY Giants secondaries stink, PHI secondary held him in check, and when they play someone with some toughness in them rewrite this post.
DatStar - One thing that is hard to do is follow all 32 teams. I try to watch as much football as I can. However, for a lot of the teams I have to rely on highlight shows, boxscores, and other articles to formulate opinions.
I'm not sure how many Packer games you have watched the last two years. What I can tell you is that I think Favre has gotten a bum rap from some of the national media for these retirement stories. While I was not in the locker room and would have no way of knowing how that affected the team, I can tell you that story was a much bigger story in the national media that it was in WI. I haven't watched one game where I thought Favre quit on the team. Played poorly, yes. But I don't think he ever quit on the team.
I think you probably have some experience with that in your own state, as I would imagine a lot of the TO contraversies have played bigger nationally than what people have made of them in Dallas.
I don't think the Packers are going 16-0, and I think the Bears will give them a run for the division. That defense is too good to count them out after 3 games. All the Packers have done is put themselves in position to have a good season by starting off well. My guess is they will make the playoffs, something I predicted before the season started. However, if Favre and the Packers go in the tank, I'll have no problem writing about that.
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Favre has been a stud again this year, amazing what a descent O-line and a bit of time can do. Look at Bulger, no O-line and he's having a terrible year.
Good for Bret and good for all you Packer fans. Keep it rolling! Beat the Vikes!
Magic - Thanks for the post. I am still amazed that so many people think the offensive line is the biggest reason why Brett is playing better. I can't say it enough, the stats don't indicate that.
I encourage you to look at Football Outsider's website. Here is some interesting info:
In 2006 the top 5 offensive lines in term of pass protection were Baltimore, Indy, Green Bay, New Orleans, and Chicago. The worst 5 were Seattle, Detroit, Buffalo, Atlanta, and Oakland.
There number is derived from sacks and intentional groundings in relation to pass attempts. The lower the number, the better the line. The Packers had a number in 06 of 3.5%. In 07 they have a number of 5.6%, which ranks 13th.
This may be because it is week 3 in the season and the Packers did such a poor job of protecting Favre in the Eagle game. I would tend to agree that the line is pass blocking better. However, the stats don't demonstrate that. I find it interesting how many people think the offensive line is more responsible for the early season success than the Defense, when there is no statistical data to support that.
Last edited by StreetCred on September 28th at 2:49 PM.
Good article. I'm lazy so I can't do it but for the next article you should look at Favre's stats week to week. I have this gut feeling that if McCarthy keeps asking Favre to throw 42 times a game sooner or later he'll throw 3-4 ints a game. The last few years it's like he just hits this wall. I don't know if his arm gets sore or what. After the pack develops a running game they close out the season strong. By the way McCarthy don't develop the running game this weekend against the vikes! Go Favre and go pack! By the way good article
Vick - I'm glad you enjoyed the article. I'm not sure why he hit the wall last season. I think part of it was playing 3 divisional games to close the season; 3 teams that are familiar with your scheme. I think part of it was that all 3 games were outside in cold weather. That makes it more difficult to generate points. I think part of it was that he didn't play very well. Not sure if age had anything to do with that. He looked pretty good in the 49er game in week 13.
I think you are right to be concerned. If the Packers don't find a running game soon, teams will start defending that short passing game better. Every offense needs balance. The Packers are not exempt from that. 3-0 doesn't get you a Super Bowl. You have to continue to improve. Good comments.
Tommy - It certainly isn't a winning season. If you aren't winning, you are losing, right? While I appreciate people pointing out mistakes, it is annoying when bloggers nitpick at tiny things and say nothing about the article. Feel free to not post on my blog if that is the only thing you are going to contribute to the discussion. I would much rather have 5 passionate football fans discussing football than 1000 people trying to be my 5th grade english teacher or my research department. Thanks.
You were definately right pointing out Mason Crosby...you guys got a straight up steal. I'm from a Big XII School, and I've watched that kid put them through the uprights for 4 years. He's as clutch and accurate as it gets. And he's got a HUGE leg. I don't see HOW he didn't get drafted first of all the kickers.
I won't complain about Nick Folk, he's been doin' pretty good for my Cowboys. But how much do the Chiefs regret taking Justin Metlock?
Pool Boy - That is looking like a late round steal this year. I'm not going to dog Ryan Longwell. He kicked for the Packers in the 1997 Super Bowl. With the exception of Adam Vinitari, he may have been the best clutch kicker in the game. I never had fear with him kicking and the game on the line. He was a great Packer.
That said, he stunk at kickoffs. Teams were fielding the ball at the 25 yard line. It was awful. If Cosby can continue to hit big kicks, the Packers will have filled a void that haunted them for the last 10 years without sacrificing scoring and clutch performance. That is huge in a league where every yard matters and every game seems to be decided in the last 2 minutes.
The Chiefs should be upset that they hired Herm Edwards to coach their football team. He makes the 1930s offenses look complex. All Cosby would do for him is allow him to have a guy with a different number standing on the sideline. You have to move the ball in order to be in field goal range. Herm Edwards couldn't score 10 points in the Arena League. Great Motivator. Great Defensive Coach. However he is very similar to Mike Martz. He is brilliant on one side of the ball and clueless on the other. That doesn't make for a good head coach.
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SC, I have to agree with you that the defensive play has been more of a factor in the Pack's early success than the improved O-line play. This is not to say that both don't contribute, of course. As stated, football is a team game, and the whole team has improved, with perhaps the exception of the running game. I believe we have some very talented young backs, and that as they grow and gain confidence, they'll give us at least a respectable run game by the end of the season.
To address the original question, I concur that Favre is playing smarter because he doesn't have to try to be "the gunslinger" superhero and carry the team on his back. Many reasons for this: good line, excellent D and special teams, and I think also, better coaching and offensive scheme.
I was initially quite skeptical about picking McCarthy as coach. It struck me as Thompson asserting his authority by picking someone nobody predicted he'd pick. Take the O coordinator from the worst team in football (at the time) as your new head coach? It stuck me as a dumb move. But now, I really respect coach McCarthy. How much of a factor do you think the new coach's methods are to this success?
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Psychlone - I agree. Multiple reasons why the team has improved. I like McCarthy a lot. I think he has done a very good job developing the players. He has been able to develop youth while keeping Farve, Driver, Harris, Woodson, and some of the other veterans happy.
I think the biggest reason in terms of the front office and coaching for the turnaround has been Ted Thompson. Ted Thompson is very quirky in front of a microphone. He doesn't come accross as a genius. He is as responsible as anyone for the turnaround. Ted Thompson was key in acquirng a lot of the players that made Seattle a Super Bowl contender.
When he came to Green Bay he took over for Mike Sherman the GM. Mike Sherman the GM got Mike Sherman the coach fired. He made this team younger and has added players like AJ Hawk, Greg Jennings, and Nick Collins. He resigned Kampmen, which was a huge move. He signed Charles Woodson. He got rid of Longwell and has Cosby in place this year. He drafted the two young guards. Most of the youthful defense is his responsability. While I wish he would have signed Randy Moss, he hasn't brought in a Joe Johnson type to destory the payroll. While they have a long road ahead, the brain trust in Green Bay seems to be solid, both in the front office and head coaching positions.
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the offensive line cant be the reason why Brett farve is having a great season. well it is a part of the reason but at the sametime the packers running game havent been as good as they was in recent years and the offensive line was good at getting a push in the trenches in the running game. big difference from last year and this year as far as the runnin game goes. to be honest last year i never heard the packs having problems with pass protection. Greg jennings and Driver was the only playmakers and jennings got hurt early in the season. they lacked the playmakers but this year franks is living up to his contract. lets see how long that last. but the other tightend Donald Lee looks promising.
i may not be a packers fan but i always cheer for Brett farve to have a great game. i got the chance to watch him play the giants and he was great but he was more brillant in the second half when the packs had dictated the game. And the defense looks like the bears defense right now. this defense is scary and will win alot of games. at the sametime it will keep brett from having to do to much. i never seen farve become a game manager and he didnt sound excited when he was ask to take that roll. but i know as long as he is winning he could careless about what he has to do. Good luck Farve
I just wish they would not have released Henderson at least until they had an established back. Then again if Favre has a great season the rest of the team usually follows. Awesome D, O line that gives him time. Should be a huge turn around from last year. Dare I say 4 time MVP. GO PACK GO
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It's not so much that Favre is playing smarter; he's playing MUCH BETTER. Here's why:
1. The O-line has a year under its belt and is playing much better. They are giving Favre much better protection.
2. The defense is not only making key stops, they are playing much better overall than last year.
3. Mason Crosby is a STUD. Very accurate and has a HUGE leg. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make the Pro Bowl. Someone pointed out that Crosby pins the opposition much deeper in its own territory and over the course of the game it's a huge difference. I agree.
4. Last but not least, Donald Driver has playmakers alongside him. Favre has more options besides Driver. Greg Jennings is a stud, DeShawn Wynn has been a pleasant surprise and Bubba Franks is healthy again.
That being said, it's good to see the Pack among the NFL's better teams again. The NFL is better when the Packers are among the league's better teams.
Great insight about how much impact a defense's performance impacts a quarterback - it's the same reason I've been saying for years that the Manning/Brady comparisons are dumb, although you fleshed it out more fully.
That said, I think the jury's still out on whether Favre is really different this year. He was terrible in the Philly game, and it was either in that game or the next week against the Giants that he had two more potential picks go straight through defenders' hands. One of the announcers quoted an opposing coach as saying "you know he's going to hit your guys with two or three balls a game, and you just have to make those opportunities count, or he'll burn you with the plays he makes elsewhere." I don't think three games is enough to say that anything's really changed - if he's still playing well in November, then maybe you can talk about it.
I should add, there's one part of Favre's performance this season that's been underappreciated - the fact that he's done it with Bubba Franks at tight end. A good TE is a QB's best friend, but Franks just looks old and slow. And hands? He couldn't catch a priest with a tube of K-Y and a stack of kiddie porn.
I like the fact that he's sperading the ball around so well this year. It seems like he trusts the young receivers to catch the ball and they are returning the favor with some great plays. They have in my opinion excelled at getting yards after the catch. Great Blog and Go Pack.
farve is the best there is in the nfl anyone that thinks differ is just crazy the nfl or the packers won,t be the same with out him god bless him and the packers good luck
with all of the so called sports experts out there i dont know why they were so wrong about LT and Larry Johnson being the top 2 running backs this year. after all of the hot shots have their one big year they get a huge payday and then they don't perform anymore. so what i'm saying is that you can't listen to them about who the best quarteback ever was most of it is based on opinion. even after Favre got his huge payday he still kept on coming out and performing no matter how great the yards were. so in my opinion Favre is the greatest QB ever. he has accomplished so much with so little througout most of his career. he has had so many different wide recievers threw the years and he is still able to do big things. he hasn't had a strong running game for the past couple of years and he has never complaioned about it. he stepped up and tried to lead his team the best he could. FAVRE all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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