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Is Political Blogging Really That Bad: A Response to Criticisms, and an Explanation of my Motives
Oct 29, 2006 | 1:56PM | report this

In leiu of recent controversy, a light of hypocrisy has revealed itself in the Fox blogging community -- best portrayed in an elegant break-down of the FoxSports philosophy by SoCalSportsFan, which can be found here.  Taking a quick glance around our community, one would find a plethora of posts on anything-but-sports; friendly tributes to our fellow bloggers, caption-adding discussions, in-depth looks at the origins of avitars, comparisons between bloggers and wrestlers, et al.  However, one and only one seems to irk the blogging community to the point of self-eradication: politics.  Somewhere between the "Pig Roasts" and the political/religious blogs of myself and several others, some bloggers lose their sense of reasonability and decide to withdraw from this forum of discussion abruptly for no reason -- or so they insinuate -- other than the presense of political articles; which, of course, they could simply ignore.

Bloggers incessantly accuse the occasional political blogger Ultra and I of simply trying to garner attention.  Self-absorbed blogging wackos with nothing better to do than write an extremely detailed, and well thought-out articles on politics, just to appease our never-ending desire for notoriety.  Sound accurate?

I find it almost amusing, to be quite honest.  Take a brief look back into my history at FoxSports, you'll find months where I've posted 25 different articles, all sports-related, all of considerable length and all of which I spent a great deal of time in writing.  Upon further inspection, you'll find something strikingly contradictory to what the "whiners," as we'll call them for now, would have you believe about us, as we'll call me and Ultra for now: Several blogs receive little-to-no comments.  In fact, many of my first articles on FoxSports amalgamated more than 7 comments; my narcissistic side should have known better, how could I allow myself to continue posting at a site where I wasn't getting attention?

Simply stated: I love sports, and I love writing.  And those are the only constants in my articles.  Whether I'm writing about George Bush or Reggie Bush; I'll do my research, and I'll do my best in conveying my message to those who would chose to grace my article with a read.  That's what I do.  I'm a writer.

And I've written at other websites, as well.  I currently write frequently on RealGM.com -- and I'll give you a clue: I don't get to write about politics.

One more thing that you'll notice, if you traverse my history of articles at this site is the relative lack of non-sports-related material.  That's right: the lack of.  I've written one post on some of my favorite bloggers, I've written a few posts on some important beliefs of mine (smoking, plagiarism, as they relate to sports and the FoxSports community), and I've written a couple of posts on my displeasure with the performance of the American government.  Out of the ninety-five articles I've written, three are directly correlated with politics.

Take a look around some of the other bloggers who have written on Fox for a while, you'll find masses of avatar posts, "Pig Roasts," and other such non-sports-related content.  I have nothing against these bloggers.  I've never complained about these bloggers.  I've never commented on one of these articles.

Wait a second.  Go back!  What did he just say?

That's right: I've never commented on one of those articles.

Now let's do some deductive reasoning: NorthSider isn't interested in the "Pig Roast" posts, if one isn't interested in a certain type of post he or she shouldn't comment, therefore, NorthSider doesn't comment on the "Pig Roast" posts.

What a novel idea!

And going back to the "attention-getting" arguments; I've seen a couple of people on this site in the past few weeks write posts complaining about the political content (of which there is very little), calling those who write them Ultra and I nothing more than two bloggers trying to get attention, and then announcing their plans to depart.  Now, despite the fact that the posts themselves aren't sports-related; take a second and let that irony resonate.  Why must these bloggers flat-out announce their plans to leave?  If they're so turned-off by the notion that politics would be posted on this site, and truthfully so discommoded with all of the people on this site, why are they posting articles which have no purpose other than to bring attention upon themselves?

Could it be they're jealous of the amount of comments that Ultra or I receive?  I don't know.  Could it be that they just wanted to have an excuse to whine about something that they disagreed on?  Couldn't tell you.  Perhaps they really are just that distracted by the political posts on this website.  But still, why can they not just ignore the political posts as I ignore the "Pig Roasts?"

Maybe they feel that political posts detract from their readership by not allowing their sports-related articles to make it on the front page.  But all this would prove is that they are exactly what they complain about: people starved for attention.  Notwithstanding the fact that everyone else on this site has to "put up with" all of the "Pig Roast"/avatar posts.

And to FlyingPig, I apologize ahead-of-time; I'm picking on you, but unintentionally.  I don't detract from the value of your "Pig Roast" posts, I'm sure they're quite engaging, hence the readership -- they just don't "float-my-boat."

The truth of the matter is, these political posts belong here.  This is a blogging website -- a site for people to display their thoughts on a variety of different information.  And it's FoxSports.com, so it's only natural that the majority of posts here are sports-related (99%+).  But, naturally, in an area of free-expression, you're going to hear something about religion every now-and-then, you're going to hear some friends talking amongst themselves ("Pig Roast" posts), you're going to hear some political debate (along with a group of people on-looking), you'll even have your controversy every-so-often.  But, nevertheless, we're in an area of free-expression which happens to be hosted by a sports website, so more-than-likely, when you take a look around, for the most part, you'll see thousands of people showcasing their opinions on sports.  And that's what you'll see, when you look around FoxSports.com.

 


 

And to a recent attack which has been shot at me, I must respond -- as long as we're talking about hypocrisy.  For the second (and probably not the last) time, a blogger has gone out and deleted my comments, then posted an article in which he twists my words, and attempts to make a mockery of me.  I'm offended.

I dropped comment yesterday on one of NorthSideFan's blogs regarding this topic.  In it, I must admit, I was a little bit taken-aback by the fact that NorthSideFan shows up after several months of absence and starts dictating what can-and-cannot be posted on these blogs.  I take offense to that.  And I have nothing against NorthSideFan, I enjoy his stuff -- and this occurence doesn't take anything away from him, in my mind.  He and I happen to disagree on this topic, and that's okay.

I noted that I'd been on FoxSports for a long time, I noted that I'd posted nearly one hundred articles, of which few were politically-driven (as I noted here).  I also noted that I was in-the-scheme-of-things during NGS II, not because I wanted to boast my skills or act like I was better than NorthSideFan, but because I was making a point: I've been active on this site for a long time, it's not as if I just showed up and started brewing controversy on incessant political blogs.  I've posted a few articles which convey my opinion, and we've gone over the pertenance.  This is a site of free-expression.  Besides, what kind of #### would I be to start bragging about my status as an NGS II finalist around a group of people which hold deep-seated malcontent, knowing that any false-step I take will be duly noted by the majority of the bloggers in this community.

That's the sad truth with Ultra and I, and I'll point again to Ultra's post on FlyingPig's plagiarism.  Ultra posts about something serious, such as plagiarism, and he's condemned for being "overly-critical;" the plagiarism: forgotten.  I go out, and try to make a point of my longevity at this site, and my dedication towards it, and an article shows up the next day -- coinciding with the subsequent deletion of my comments, so as to prevent anyone from seeing the real context of them -- which calls me a immodest jerk.  I'm offended.

There are a lot of things I've been on this site: Contentious perhaps, verbose, well-traveled -- immodest isn't one of them.  Needless to say, I wasn't the happiest person in the world, but I can live with it.

What I saw next astounded me.  I came across the aforementioned piece by SoCal, and I see a comment by NorthSideFan in which he makes it known that not only is he well-read when it comes to Shakespeare, but also that he's in MENSA.  This is the same guy who quoted four words of mine ("...It's not a hit..."), deleted the rest, and called me out for bragging.  Thanks, Mr. MENSA, for the advice on modesty -- I think I'll make my own decisions, though.

And I won't hold this against NorthSideFan -- and I'm not holding it against him currently.  I think he made a mistake: we all do.  Maybe I was immodest in my comment (although it wasn't my intention, and now we'll never be able to see); but to go out and make an article condemning me, only to post something so foolishly in contradiction with what you had earlier complained about is just ridiculous.  And I think he owes me an apology.  But I didn't receive an apology the first time my comments were deleted, and I don't expect to receive one this time.  This just bothers me.  A lot.

And for the record, I left a comment on NorthSideFan's blog just prior to writing this article.  In it, I expressed my feeling that my comment was being misrepresented, but I also left the following remark:

"You're one of the truly good bloggers on this site."

And I honestly believe that.

I don't hold grudges against anyone on this site, whether they be the ones it seems I always disagree with, or just someone who goes out and writes something which condemns me as a person -- I'll still read their articles.  As I always will.

And it's just the ad hominem arguments that get to me.  Attack my point.  Attack my analysis.  Don't attack me, and don't attack my ethical standards.

I've written two of these types of posts in my stint at FoxSports, the first time, I was accused of plagiarism -- this time, my motivations were questioned.  Both times, both parties were able to put the occurence behind themselves -- I can only hope the same thing happens this time.

And out of this, if you gather nothing else, at least gather this:

There are a lot of people who disagree with Ultra and I, and it leads to a good amount of articles in response, and a great amount of debate.  If you don't want to engage in the debate, just don't read, and if you must read, don't comment.  There are several bloggers on this website who refuse to leave more than one comment on a politically-driven blog: more power to you.  But there are also people on this site who are open-minded to non-sports talk, and are willing to express their opinions, and I really enjoy hearing them -- regardless of how I respond.

This is a site of free-expression.  It's your decision as to how to exercise your freedom.

That's all I've got.  Good night and good luck.

-NorthSider

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NorthSider
Oct 29, 2006
2:00 PM
As always, thanks for reading, comments are welcome.

jgrace_12
Oct 29, 2006
2:21 PM
I also think it's ridiculous that this many people are making this big a deal of "political posts". So what? Like you, and others, have said, if you don't like it don't read it. There are several of us, myself included, who enjoy those posts. While we don't always agree, it's fun to banter back and forth, learning new facts and opinions along the way. If that's not your thing, just stay away. But, why must you admonish the people who enjoy it?

jgrace_12
Oct 29, 2006
2:24 PM
"friendly tributes to our fellow bloggers"

I don't know if you were referring to me with that comment, as I've gotten into that lately. But, if you were, I will say this in my defense. The "tributes to fellow bloggers" are just that, tributes to people who contribute to this site. I don't see that as anything unreasonable because it is pertinent to the site. It might be one thing if I highlighted articles from other sites. But, I am highlighting sports posts on this very site. Besides that, most of the bloggers I've highlighted have shown appreciation for it, as it usually garners them at least a few extra readers and/or comments.

I can't believe it's gotten to the point that we have to justify what we write.

Last edited by jgrace_12 on October 29th at 2:26 PM.

NorthSider
Oct 29, 2006
3:05 PM
"I don't know if you were referring to me with that comment, as I've gotten into that lately."

As I said in this blog, I'm not complaining about other people's blogs here. I don't have a problem with anything that's written here; and, if I don't want to read it, I won't. I hold nothing against you or any type of post you make, JGrace.

Dudski
Oct 29, 2006
3:58 PM
I guess my answer is, "Yeah, it kinda is."

Imagine if you got together with a bunch of friends to watch a football game and one guy wanted to talk religion. Now, there might be a room full of people with positive views on religion, but the odds are most of them would be thinking "Who invited this guy?" Let's watch the game.

I might not agree with your political views, in all honesty I don't. But I don't doubt your sincerity or underplay the positive aspects of wanting to share those views. But the bottom line is, "we're trying to watch the games here."

If you look at the posts and comments today, my question would be, "How is this working out?" It doesn't look too good, what with all the negativity. If we are a blogging community, then things that push us apart as a community are probably not a good idea. Not wrong, not against the rules, not something we should make rules against, just probably not a good idea.

Just my opinion, no criticism of anyone intended. Thanks.

socalsportsfan
Oct 29, 2006
4:03 PM
North, I think I said as much in my blog about the Pig Roasts and the 99%, but you went a bit more in detail. Suffice it to say that I think people get overly sensitive to the political posts, but I also think you get a bit sensitive to someone disagreeing. Maybe you aren't, but it is hard to tell a person's tone on a post or email.

fatmaw1
Oct 29, 2006
4:34 PM
Not quite sure where I stand on this anymore. One minute..I'm in total agreement with Northsider, Ultra, and Socal on this...and then Dudski simplifies it a little futher...and now I think he raises a very good point. If we are driving people away with our political blogs...then how can that be a good thing? With that being said...I just don't know where I stand on it....so I'll ride the fence....with a cement cup that is. :)

Dudski
Oct 29, 2006
4:47 PM
Speaking of sitting on the fence with a cement cup, check this website out.

http://thenuttybuddy.com

It's a former Cardinal reliever who invented a "super cup". Make sure to watch the video with him, the cup, and a pitching machine. It's the funniest thing I've seen in a long, long, time.

fatmaw1
Oct 29, 2006
4:57 PM
Dudski...."The Nutty Butty Huh"!!! So which one should I order...The Boss, The Hog, or El Jefe!!! Wait...I'm talking to myself here...not you!! :)

Funny stuff!!

born2playin69
Oct 29, 2006
5:13 PM
Egads, your so cute when your fiesty!! I already spelled out on a few occasions why I hate the political posts. I read Socals post and as I said to him, I am a very open minded person, I can be a class A #### but I usually come to a logical conclusion. I have always hated the political posts because I have grown to dispise politics, I have totally lost faith in our government over the last 20 years or so and it #### me off to see what has happened to this country. But as I said, I am open minded, in reality there are very few political posts and I just need to ignore the things that I detest. This really is an awsome site, most people you actually feel like you know as far as character and personality and such. which I find pretty cool.
By the way, that was a hell of a lot of typing....anyone tell ya your kinda cute when your fiesty?

Last edited by born2playin69 on October 29th at 5:14 PM.

Norcalfella
Oct 29, 2006
7:30 PM
Sorry, you lost me when you spelled explanation "explaination" in the headline...

UltraMegaOK1988
Oct 29, 2006
7:34 PM
I was wondering when the grammar police were going to show up, Norcalfella.

socalsportsfan
Oct 29, 2006
8:51 PM
Dudski, did you delete a post today?

North, I think it's avatars.

Last edited by socalsportsfan on October 29th at 8:52 PM.

Norcalfella
Oct 29, 2006
11:30 PM
Gimme a break UM, it was a joke and the kid fixed it. Lighten up - the Cowboys won and Romo is the king of the world.

edclinch
Oct 30, 2006
4:31 AM
Well written, explicated.

Has any one debilitated you lately?

Go Colts!

Keep kosher, mein goy...

edclinch
Oct 30, 2006
4:32 AM
Does being part of Mensa make you a "mensch"? Did I spell that right? I haven't taken Yiddish...

UltraMegaOK1988
Oct 30, 2006
7:05 AM
Norcal, perhaps I should have added the winking emoticon.

;-)

MustardMan
Oct 30, 2006
7:08 AM
It's lieu, not leiu too.

Just kidding. (Well, actually it is lieu but that's not why I'm posting something here!)

As usual your post is well thought out and detailed (maybe too much of both, but I digress).

The main thing I got out of it and I agree 100%, if you don't like it, don't read and if you felt the overwhelming urge to read and feel you absolutely have to respond, say your piece and leave it alone. Bickering and "heated" discussion on a political/non sports topic do not belong here at Fox SPORTS blogs (and I stress Fox SPORTS). If the two "combatants" want to meet behind the local McDonalds and have a duel at 20 paces, feel free.

I generally do not read/respond or more importantly REVISIT the blog once it gets out of hand in my opinion!

Dudski, put it best with the analogy with the religious guy watching the football game - sure he has every right to say it, just not the right time or place.

Lastly, in general, please everyone lighten up. This is a blog meant for recreation and FUN!!! If people get so worked up over some of the stuff on this site, I wonder how bad it gets "in real life".

Thanks, and have a nice day!


Hi.

MeanD
Oct 30, 2006
7:48 AM
Mustard, don't let me catch you behind a McDonalds in my neighborhood. I've got my one-shooter loaded and I'm ready to duel.

It's on, baby!!!

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...

only1cab
Oct 30, 2006
8:23 AM
When I was a kid I wanted to be a tennis star but there were no facilities to practice near my home. There was however a mini car park nearby so I went and practiced against a wall, that is until a neighbour complained about the noise the ball made (sheesh). I could understand this but if the same person told me I couldn't practice because it was a car park, not a tennis court, I would be a bit miffed ( I wouldn't give them the finger as I was a good kid lol). I know its a poor analogy but what I'm trying to say is live and let live. I actually like the political posts and take a little from them ( I know what Habeas Corpus is now).

I apologise for my grammar as I put all my eggs in the tennis basket when I was young.

And no I never did make it as a tennis star.

Tim Henman.

only1cab
Oct 30, 2006
8:30 AM
I meant to put that comment on Socals blog but I'l l leave it there anyway.

MustardMan
Oct 30, 2006
8:50 AM
Geez, and I thought you liked me Mean....


I only have a pea shooter, maybe I'll bring ShooterB.

NorthSider
Oct 30, 2006
9:01 AM
"Dudski, put it best with the analogy with the religious guy watching the football game - sure he has every right to say it, just not the right time or place."

I definitely understand Dudski's analogy -- but I don't think that it's applicable here. I think a better analogy would be a sports bar, during a football game. It's hundreds of people you DON'T know (not people you invited), and you come with the expectation of watching a football game. For the most part, that's what happens; and everyone, at one point or another, is talking about the game. Here and there, during a break, however, a different topic might present itself.

This is a forum of free-expression. Those who post non-sports related content are not flooding the concentration of sports posts, we're just engaging in some other conversations -- not interested in talking? Don't listen/talk. If someone in the bar is talking about something you don't want any part of, you don't interupt, and you just leave-it-be.

I look at RealGM -- which is a sports site with one of the internet's biggest forums. TONS of sports posts, topics, and discussion going back and forth. However, there are boards such as "Current Affairs" and "Off Topic" where sports-fans can talk to other sports-fans about things other than sports. Is that so ludicrous? I mean, are we so sports oriented that we ignore the outside world?

On FoxSports, you talk to people who share one thing in common: the passion for sports. That doesn't necessarily mean that the only thing you talk about is sports. That's the contention here.

crookdnose
Oct 30, 2006
9:34 AM
No one's forcing anyone to read it. If you wanna post it, feel free. If people wanna read it, they can or not. But telling people they shouldn't post certain stuff isn't only a childish waste of time, it's unAmerican.

I think we need to hold hearings, and expose these pinko commie bloggers within our midst.

MustardMan
Oct 30, 2006
9:52 AM
The Sports Bar is a good analogy but I would like to think I know some of the guys on these blogs a little better than guys in a sports bar. At least better than guys I know nothing about in a bar.

If some guy came up to a group of sports fans he didn't know in a sports bar and started a political rant in a group those sports fans, I think one of two things would happen - he would either be asked politely to leave or he would be pummeled into a semi-unrecognizable life form. Which happened would depend on a bunch of factors including some or all of these - if their teams was winning, how "loud and proud" the political guy was, how much the guys had to drink, what point in the game it was (last two minutes - he better have called 911 in advance).

Like you have mentioned it's a free expression thing and I respect that. You have a much better chance of a physical altercation in a sports bar and some people, not directing this at you or anyone in particular, would not be as bold in person as they are on a blog site. I know I am probably as big as anyone I am talking to here and I would be intimidated by an angry mob at a sports bar!

edclinchsaint
Sep 29, 2008
9:58 PM
Here, here. Still rings true.

edclinchsaint
Sep 29, 2008
10:03 PM
What was that non-politically correct gibberish I was uttering two years ago?

Makes ya wonder.

NiqueD
Sep 29, 2008
10:37 PM
I don't agree with Dudski at all. On a blog like the man says if you don't like what the person is writing about don't comment on it. This isn't a bar, nobody forced you onto their blog, nobody stopped your sports talk. If you do want to comment about it like the man said, attack his position, attack his process but most, not all but most on here simply attack the person. Bloggers have been widely dismissed in the media for being a bunch of wild eyed immature jackasses and for the most part they are right.

Last edited by NiqueD on September 29th at 10:38 PM.

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