Please forgive the long break since Part 2 of this series. It's been an eventful summer. In the interim, the Hockey Hall of Fame selected Glenn Anderson (FINALLY!) and Igor Larionov as its 2008 inductees. Worthy candidates both and fine additions to the Hall.
Before getting to Part 3, I wanted to take a brief pause to expand upon something that I'd originally blogged in August in the comments section at Spector's Blog. These thoughts were in response to The Hockey News 2008 Top Fifty Active NHL Players list and they directly relate to our discussion of Hockey Hall of Fame qualifications and candidates.
The challenge with these types of Top Active Player lists rests upon how we are rating these players: is it by their raw talent, their past accomplishments or our future expectations? Let me add a fourth way to the mix, that encompasses all three methods.
The rule of thumb is that in any given season of the NHL you will have between 40 to 50 future Hockey Hall of Famers in uniform. (How? If you assume that 3.75 players are selected to the HHOF each season (the historical average) and that a HHOF worthy career lasts between 10 to 15 years, you've got between 37.5 to 56.25 future HHOFers in uniform each season.) In that respect, a list like this could be considered a snapshot of those active NHLers who are on the HHOF path.
Certainly, there are a few active HHOF-bound players who aren't on this list as they are in the sunset of there careers. Likewise, there are some young players overlooked as they haven't broken out yet. But those exceptions aside, look at The Hockey News list anew with a HHOF mindset. What names now seem out-of-place?
I've got 40 currently active NHL players presently rated on a Hockey Hall of Fame path.
I consider the following 12 active NHLers pegged as "Certain" Hockey Hall of Famers (meaning anything more they do in their careers is just icing on the cake): Forwards Peter Forsberg, Mike Modano, Joe Sakic, Teemu Selanne, Brendan Shanahan and Mats Sundin; Defensemen Rob Blake, Chris Chelios, Nicklas Lidstrom, Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger; and Goaltender Martin Brodeur. (Note: Were Jaromir Jagr still an active NHLer, he would certainly be included on this list. Assuming he completes his 2-year KHL contract, he should be eligible for the HHOF in 2013.)
The following five players I've rated as "Cusp" Hockey Hall of Famers (meaning thus far they are strong contenders, but not yet sure-fire locks): Forwards Sergei Fedorov, Mark Recchi and Jeremy Roenick; Defenseman Sergei Zubov; and Goaltender Ed Belfour.
Finally, I rate the following 23 players as "On-Track" for the Hockey Hall of Fame (meaning I do not believe their accomplishments merit induction to the HHOF if they retired tomorrow, but they should become viable candidates if their careers continue to progress as expected): Forwards Daniel Alfredsson, Sidney Crosby, Pavel Datsyuk, Dany Heatley, Jarome Iginla, Paul Kariya, Vincent Lecavalier, Evgeni Malkin, Markus Naslund, Alexander Ovechkin, Martin St. Louis, Joe Thornton, Keith Tkachuk and Henrik Zetterberg; Defensemen Zdeno Chara, Sergei Gonchar, Dion Phaneuf and Mathieu Schneider; and Goaltenders J.S. Giguere, Miikka Kiprusoff, Roberto Luongo, Evgeni Nabokov and Chris Osgood.
Not all of these 23 players will necessarily remain "on-track" and a number may fall by the wayside.
For example, it seems with every shift Paul Kariya skates further away from the HHOF, despite a handful of years where he was among the best (if not the best) left winger in the game. My bleak assessment may change if Kariya starts to play some meaningful post-season games again, but right now he's looking like a latter-day John LeClair.
Tkachuk is another guy playing himself out of contention for the HHOF (to my mind) almost purely because he's currently on a playoff also-ran.
Conversely, I think the HHOF stock of Naslund and Schneider is rising with them on Stanley Cup contenders NYR and Anaheim respectively, although they're still both HHOF bubble boys. (And who knows where Schneider is going to wind up as Anaheim attempts to solve their salary cap issues.) The players need to finish their careers strong to make the grade.
Osgood is a special case. I've examined him in detail previously on this FoxSports blog and he's a vexing challenge. In my gut, Osgood is just not a Hall of Famer. BUT... with three Cups under his belt so far (two earned while in the driver's seat) and the prospect of a couple more seasons in Detroit which should push him well past 400 career wins, he becomes hard to ignore. That said, Osgood may wind up becoming the goaltending equivalent of Dino Ciccarelli -- the stats are there, but he just doesn't have that HHOF swagger.
Jose Theodore (not on my list) is another interesting case. To date, only two Hart Trophy winners eligible for the HHOF have failed to make the grade. Unless something dramatic happens during his tenure in Washington, Theodore may complete the hat trick when he retires.
There are a number of other active players who are not quite yet on a Hall of Fame path but could quickly move into solid contention as the season progresses.
And, of course, this doesn't consider the retired players who will be eligible for induction in 2009, 2010 and 2011. (Currently active players who retired from professional hockey during or following the 2008-09 season will not be eligible for induction until 2012.) As we return to Part 3 of our series next time out, we'll examine the qualifications and chances for these 2009, 2010 and 2011 HHOF candidates.
Lately I've been thinking more and more about the Hockey Hall of Fame (HHOF). Perhaps it's because over the last few years the idols of my youth and young adulthood are beginning to be installed in their rightful place amongst the greats of the game. Maybe it's because I've reached that season of life where reflecting on the past becomes as important as surging ahead into the future. Undoubtedly, it’s due in no small part to achieving that point of hockey super-saturation where (like US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart’s classic identification of pornography), I find that while I might not know precisely how to quantify a Hall of Fame career (yet), I sure know one when I see one.
It’s that question of precise quantification and qualification that’s been whirling about in my thoughts.
If we look at the NHL today there are obvious Hall of Famers, like Joe Sakic and Nicklas Lidstrom. There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that both those guys will be spending a gala November weekend in Toronto three years after they retire. Likewise, there are guys like Georges Laraque, Tiger Williams and Dave Schultz who, despite a degree of notoriety and numerous fans, have no chance of getting into the Hockey Hall of Fame unless they stop at the ticket wicket first. Figuring out the extremes is easy. It’s that fine area of gray between where white turns to black to which I’d like to direct our attention.
There’s a national radio sports host in the United States who uses a very simple dichotomy for determining who belongs in a Hall of Fame: if you ever need to make an argument in favour of anyone's qualifications, he’s not a Hall of Famer. Period. That’s arguably a workable rule of thumb – an extreme version of the Potter test above – but it’s a bit spare for our purposes as it doesn’t address any of the “why” questions.
Some like to use the lowest rung on the ladder approach, which leads to the argument “Player X is in the Hall of Fame and Player Y is just as good or better, so Player Y deserves to be there, too.” Selecting to the lowest common denominator is not satisfactory either. One mistake by the Selection Committee should not condemn the Hall of Fame to a parade of similar unqualified candidates. Nor does it properly address the standards utilized to determine how Player Y is determined to be “as good or better” than Player X.
There are others who prefer to use automatic thresholds, like 400 goals or 1000 points, where a player’s induction is assured once he passes these milestones. In that accounting, the player who scores 50 goals a season for eight years is on par with the player who scores 20 goals a season over 20 years. Do a few seasons of greatness equate to many seasons of good or above average play? Even if you adjust the milestones upwards, the question still remains concerning a value of a short meteoric career vs. a career of steady longevity.
The threshold approach comes with other limitations. For example, how do you fairly equate players in the offensively limited 1990s with players from the goal-rich 1980s?
To resolve these questions, I’ve begun developing some tests and standards by which to evaluate those already immortalized in the Hall of Fame that will help us determine future Hall of Famers. In the coming days I’ll be presenting these ideas here and I’d appreciate your thoughts and feedback as we grapple with this question.
To fuel our discussion, here's a short list of eligible candidates for the 2008 Hockey Hall of Fame. Thanks to the 2005 Lock-Out there are no "first-year" eligible players; everybody is a holdover from a previous year.
2008 Hockey Hall of Fame Potential Player Inductees (Incomplete List)
Glenn Anderson, Tom Barrasso, Brian Bellows, Carl Brewer, Pavel Bure, Guy Carbonneau, Dino Ciccarelli, Vincent Damphousse, Ray Ferraro, Doug Gilmour, Butch Goring, Adam Graves, Kevin Hatcher, Ron Hextall, Phil Housley, Mark Howe, Dale Hunter, Doug Jarvis, Igor Larionov, Steve Larmer, Claude Lemieux, Kevin Lowe, Rick Middleton, Boris Mikhailov, Andy Moog, Bernie Nichols, Adam Oates, Brian Propp, Glenn Resch, Mike Richter, Dave Taylor, Esa Tikkanen, John Tonelli, Rogie Vachon, John Vanbiesbrouck, Pat Verbeek, Mike Vernon
In my next post, we'll start developing that portrait of just what makes a player a Hall of Famer, and consider the merits of these players against that criteria.
Been a busy week while I've been away! Let's catch-up with a few quick hits, some of which might grow into full and proper blogs of their own:
Stanley Cup Final
My pre-season selection of the Ducks as Cup Champions still stands, and with Game 1 under our belt, we should be in for some great hockey the rest of the way out!
Looking at the two line-ups, there are three dead certain Hockey Hall of Fame locks on that Ducks roster (Teemu Selanne, Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger) and one potential HHOFer (J.S. Giguere). In the Ottawa line-up, there's a probable HHOFer (Daniel Alfredsson) and three potential candidates (Jason Speeza, Dany Heatley and Wade Redden). With the number of young kids on the ice those HHOF numbers may grow, and a couple of those potential candidates might fall by the wayside due to injury or career trajectory. Nevertheless, I don't think we've had this level of HHOF-caliber talent on both sides of the puck since the 2001 Final with Colorado versus New Jersey.
Brian Leetch's retirement and the Hockey Hall of Fame ramifications
That Leetch finally made official last week what we've long known to be the truth for months -- that his professional days were done -- did not come as either a shock or a surprise. But Leetch's confirmation does create an interesting dynamic for the 2009 Induction to the Hockey Hall of Fame.
With only four vacancies per year, that 2009 class now stands with Steve Yzerman, Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille and Brian Leetch as virtual locks for selection, and arguably could be considered the most talented group ever inducted. Unfortunately, that also guarantees that first year eligible players Dave Andreychuk and Alexander Mogilny, admittedly borderline Hall of Famers both, will be shoved to the sidelines without any consideration.
We won't know how the roster for 2010 stacks up until we get all the retirements over the summer, but mid-season retiree Joe Nieuwendyk has the early lock on one of the four vacancies, as will Peter Forsberg should he decide to hang up the skates. If one or two other prominent players call it quits this year, 2010 could become a closed shop too. And with the number of great mid-30s players whose pending retirements are expected at point in the next half decade, full slates might be the norm for the next few years after that.
Looking back to this year, with six certain Hall of Famers competing for four slots in 2007 -- Mark Messier, Ron Francis, Al MacInnis, Scott Stevens, Igor Larionov and Adam Oates -- it's very likely whichever two don't make the initial cut in 2007 will get in on the "lock-out year" of 2008. Which means there are only two open slots available to reconsider "passovers" like Glenn Anderson, Doug Gilmour, Dino Ciccarelli, Pavel Bure and Phil Housley. If the outer years continue to fill up fast and the HHOF Selection Committee doesn't increase the number of vacancies per year, 2008 might be last chance for a number of these on-the-cusp players for a long time.
Mike Milbury steps down from day-to-day responsibilities with the Islanders
As I wrote (in part) commenting on the essay "Milbury's Legacy" on Spector's Blog (and if you've never been there, head on over soon, it's a fine place): In painting, you reach a point where you have to lift the brush and say "I'm done" because anything else detracts from the work. Until the end, Milbury worked in abstract, over-painting the bold colours he'd laid down before with even bolder colours of the moment. The work was not improved, and what remained beneath the extra oil was likely superior to the final result.
That said, thank you Mike for sending to Edmonton (among other players and draft picks) Mike Peca, Raffi Torres, Tommy Salo and Eric Brewer for relatively little in return. You will be missed!
Potential relocation of the Nashville Predators and re-alignment
Lot of discussion on what this means to the Preds, especially considering that the new ownership (still to be approved) is rumoured to have quietly assembled 27 acres of land 82 kms outside of Toronto, just barely beyond the Maple Leafs territorial limits. (Is it just me, or does anyone else appreciate the use of an Imperial system land quantity located a Metric system distance away in all those reports?)
I'll wait for more facts to come out on the pending deal before making a full comment on the sale, but let's play with the idea of relocation for a minute.
I find it ironic that back last summer when we were all concerned about the Penguins moving to Kansas City that I proposed the Nashville club should be the one headed to the Eastern Conference due to geographic logisticalities. (Everyone said move Detroit east, but it was much cleaner to my mind geographically to move Nashville into the Southeast and move Washington into the Atlantic, which improved the travel within both those divisions.)
Now, should the Predators move to Southern Ontario, undoubtedly ownership will want those 8 games against Ottawa and Toronto and Montreal, so they're going to the Eastern Conference. Buffalo or Boston becomes odd man out of the Northeast Division. You can't move either of those squads to the West (Buffalo too much talent and too far east; Boston way too far east) or to the Southeast Division (too much distance), so one of them (likely Boston) is going to the Atlantic Division and you've got to displace somebody. It won't be the three New York area teams, so it's either Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. Philly is in such close proximity to the other New York area clubs, so the logical choice would be Pittsburgh. As long as Sidney Crosby is on that team, there is NO WAY they'll let Pittsburgh head west, so the Penguins waddle south to the Southwest Division. You've now got six teams in the Southwest Division. The western-most team is Atlanta, so they draw the short straw and swap conferences.
The results are rather interesting:
A Southeast Division composed of Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Florida, Carolina and Washington should guarantee the Penguins a playoff spot each season and guarantees eight Crosby / Ovechkin meetings a year!
An Atlantic Division with Boston, New Jersey, NY Rangers, NY Islanders and Philadelphia. Nuff said! That division just looks so old school.
A Northeast Division with Buffalo, Montreal, Ontario (nee Nashville), Ottawa and Toronto means Hockey Night in Canada will undoubtedly go to triple-headers with two early games in the East and one late night contest in the West.
A Central Division with Atlanta, Columbus, Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis. This is what we call "compensation": the travel isn't much worse than the current arrangement, but in lieu of going east, these soft clubs should guarantee Detroit a top-of-the-division finish each season.
That's enough to chew on at one sitting. Let's settle back for Game 2 and enjoy our last little bit of hockey for the season before we're firmly in the Air Conditioner League (the summer equivalent of baseball's winter Hot Stove League). And as always, I look forward to your comments!
I'm a transplanted Canadian who now resides with my wife and three children in Redding, a small city in sunny northern California where hockey still gets prefaced with the word "ice." My new home is a long way from my hometown of Edmonton, but the web makes it all just a little bit closer. That's the most wonderful thing about the online community: no matter where you are physically, someone who shares your interests is only a mouse click away!