Straight Talk From the Left Coast
by: Lisa H
Steve Spurrier losing it?
Mar 25, 2008 | 9:35AM | report this
This is getting more ridiculous by the minute, and no one is to blame but Steve Spurrier, head coach of the South Carolina Gamecocks.

Once again, Stephen Garcia, the #1 recruited quarterback in the SEC (and other elite universities) has gotten into trouble with police.

He and two other players were found with coolers of alcohol outside their dorm room at 6:30 pm and cited for underage drinking.





Garcia was also a suspect in using a fire extinguisher less than five hours after being ticketed for the underage drinking when the fire department responded to a fire alarm. Garcia claims he used it to extinguish some sparks coming from his stove, and faces disciplinary measures for that as well.

The two other players cited in the underage drinking incident, Heath Batchelor, an O-lineman, and Zan Brindise, a walk-on quarterback, were with Garcia when police were called to investigate loud noises coming from the dorm area.

Garcia, of course, is no stranger to the police- he had been arrested last Spring for drunkenness and failure to follow an officer's commands. He was also cited two weeks later for vandalism when he keyed a South Carolina's professor's car. Spurrier temporarily suspended Garcia from the team after those two incidents.

Garcia completed a pretrial intervention program to have two of last year’s charges expunged from his record; a third charge was dropped, according to TheState.com. He also said this, before these latest two incidents occurred: I’m kind of glad it happened because I feel like I grew up a whole lot,” he said.

Did you Stephen?

Garcia has already paid the $257.50 fine for the ticket, and his driver's license will be suspended for four months, although he will be able to use his moped. Brindise and Batchelor face court next month.

Now here's where it gets interesting.....Spurrier said Brindise would miss two or three practices but Batchelor was given "a pardon" after he convinced the ol' Ball Coach he was falsely accused. Batchelor, of course, is a returning starter. Of course!

The ol' ball coach was already showing his true desperation as a football coach in the SEC a few years ago, but now it is teetering on absurd. Spurrier managed to get South Carolina to lower their admission standards when two recruits met the NCAA Clearinghouse's standards, but after receiving offers from South Carolina, were declined due to academic ineligibility. Of course, it's the coach's job to know the school's minimum standards, but that escaped him completely.


Spurrier went on a tear, threatening to quit after he realized his "offers" were now going to be discussed by other SEC coaches as ones that were worthless during the recruiting periods. South Carolina relented and lowered their admission standards.

Spurrier has also been credited with increasing the positive-drug test policy from two strikes to four strikes at South Carolina. Yup, the first year Spurrier was coaching at South Carolina, the school revised their "two strikes" policy and players can now test positive for "recreational drugs, alcohol and anabolic steroids" at least three times before being dismissed from the team. This policy by the way, was approved by USC AD Eric Hyman several months after star tailback Demetrius Summers was booted from the team after failing two tests.

Just what is Spurrier doing? Selling his soul to be a winning SEC coach? Even worse, he won't take a stand when it comes to disciplining his players, and points the blaming finger at someone else.


When addressing the press following Stephen Garcia's latest run-in with the law, Spurrier said, his "fate is in the hands of the University of South Carolina." He then went on to say, "They’ve got a president. They’ve got an athletic director. They’ve got a dean. They’ve got a whole bunch of people over there. So if they say he’s here, he’ll be here, OK? His fate is out of my hands. Let’s put it that way.”

Yo, Steve, why haven't you drop-kicked him from the team? This guy is a cancer, and it's spreading to other players. Notre Dame passed on him because of his refusal to cut his hair gave them red flags- he obviously has a problem with authority- and yet you won't even go out on a limb and toss this guy off the team. Let the school be the bad guy? Why won't you put your foot down when a highly-touted player or star keeps embarrassing you and the school? Kick him off the team, your contract says you have that authority.

What kind of a coach lowers admissions standards instead of raising expectations? What kind of coach increases the opportunities for players to have substance abuse problems by lessening a strict substance abuse policy?

This is downright disgusting, and coaching has now officially escaped Steve Spurrier. I used to have respect for him. Now it's pity. He is no longer serving as a role model and has sold-out for a possible winning season. At any cost. He failed in the NFL with the Washington Redskins and now he is failing in the college ranks. The writing is on the wall. You are not all that, contrary to what your ego thinks. Read it, and recognize.

Update: Stephen Garcia has been suspended from the team until August 15th. Hmm...I guess that means he'll be back just in time before the 2008 season begins.  Convenient.






* angel/devil cartoon by Andrew Dyson
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JOKERSWILD
Mar 25, 2008
10:05 AM
Lisa; not again man what is wrong with these guys you give them the world then they want the moon again I see this person of interest being involved somehow........Photobucket

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
10:35 AM
JW, he needs to get his head examined. WTF is he thinking? Boot this guy off the team...now he's got other players drinking...cripes. Look what happened to Texas when they didn't take aggressive steps...it swept the team. I have no respect for him as a coach, but will always respect his Heisman winning play.

Hanahan
Mar 25, 2008
10:41 AM
Lisa...Spurrier started off great at SC, kicking all Holtz's criminals off the team. I think he wants to win so badly that he's willing to overlook 'minor' infractions. Come on underage drinking on a college campus? That would be nothing if not for the previous minor infractions.

When I say minor, I mean compared to McFadden 'wilding' in bar parking lots on more than one occasion. Maybe Steve will make Garcia clean the stadium like Joe Pa does with his players that are accused of 'major' crimes.

I was ready for Superior to cut him last year after keying the car. The shame is when Spurrier finally has enough and cuts him, there will be a line of coaches waiting to sign him.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
10:52 AM
Hanahan, I totally agree with you that he's kept Garcia on the team because he doesn't want someone else to get him. But that's selling your soul, and doing anything for a winning season. Garcia was suspended last year, and still can't keep his nose clean. Why hasn't he been suspended?

He has an alcohol abuse problem and a huge authority problem. The signs are there....keying a professor's car? Vandalizing school property with a fire extinguisher? Drinking in a corridor of a dorm? He could care less what the rules are. He thumbs his nose at them.

Yes, underage kids drink, but he's an athlete, trained to treat his body like a temple. He doesn't care, and said he grew up recently...then got his brother to get he and his buddies beers. Spurrier's attitude is alarming...the starter O-lineman gets a pardon for telling a good story? Are you kidding me? How come the walk-on didn't get that same pardon?

Last edited by Lisa H on March 25th at 10:53 AM.

edmonspk
Mar 25, 2008
10:59 AM
Lisa, this happens at many schools. I don't condone it. The problem is that if he kicks him off the team, all he will do is sign with another team. Every Top 25 team bends (or outright) breaks rules to get thier kids to play.

True statement though that Spurrier is desperate to win in the SEC. I just don't think he's getting the talent he'd like up in SC.

Hanahan
Mar 25, 2008
11:11 AM
Lisa, Saint Bobby Bowden has a long history of suspending or dismissing back ups who commited the same offenses that starters did.

At least as far back as the incident where a starter, Lavernious Coles, was getting free merchandise at a department store. The backup who was with him was the one booted off the team.

Lisa you should really go check out the bars around any college campus. You will see many players abusing their temples.

Where is the counter???

edmonspk
Mar 25, 2008
11:16 AM
Talent usually comes with either a chip on the shoulder or some skeletons in the closet.
I don't think cutting your hair is a tell all of his character.
Even if Spurrier lets him go, you'll have another 25 schools trying to get him to come their way. All 25 of those coaches would welcome him as if he had a clean slate. That's just sports. It doesn't matter if it doesn't happen on the field.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
11:44 AM
Hanahan..I understand that many abuse their temples...but this guy did it in an open dorm corridor. Geesh! Talk about flaunting your status! Counter is on strike, apparently...it does that every now and then. :(

edmonsk...it doesn't matter if it doesn't happen on the field?...Todd Mariniovich is a good lesson on what happens to players who abuse, same with Lawrence Phillips. All off the field. Not cutting his hair cost him a scholie at ND. They saw the signs. Spurrier ignored it.

Last edited by Lisa H on March 25th at 11:45 AM.

sixfigurefan2
Mar 25, 2008
12:07 PM
Nice scribble Lisa. As much as I have enjoyed watching Coach Spurrier through the years(Tampa Bay Bandits,College,etc) I think the game has passed him by.

When that happens, I believe desperation begins to override ones common sense. Coach should have enough money and other investments(I would hope) to step away and enjoy retirement.

After the NFL debacle and now this, Coach Spurrier is only further damaging his reputation as one of the great offensive minds to coach at the College level.

Oops. I almost missed the comment in reference to the QB refusing to cut his hair. Based on what I've read in this post, thats the only thing I like about this kid.

While in this case it proved to be justified, the Irish are going to miss out on a lot of creative, individuals because of ones hair preference. lol

How archaic is that? Generalize a whole group of people, because they aren't doing what everyone else is......I feel better now. lol

Last edited by sixfigurefan2 on March 25th at 12:19 PM.

edmonspk
Mar 25, 2008
12:22 PM
Lisa, I repeat. This isn't a Steve Spurrier only subject. This has to do with all sports on all levels. I do agree that Spurrier is guilty of it, but show me a school that hasn't been.

I also find it laughable that you are praising Notre Dame's recruiting skills now.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
1:02 PM
six...the haircut thing was a sign. I'm not generalizing hair, I am simply pointing out that he refuses to conform, and ND looked at that and some other signs as well, and passed. Look...the kid is getting a scholarship to a school. Yes, they make money off him, but right now, they are negative with Garcia...he hasn't played and has done nothing but generate negative publicity for the school. He IS A REPRESENTATIVE of the school as an athlete, whether he likes it or not.

edmonsk....I have always praised ND's recruiting tactics....they are always a top 10...it's their current coach that I think is holding them back. And you asked for a school that isn't guilty of that...I give you Notre Dame, Stanford and Temple.

Last edited by Lisa H on March 25th at 1:04 PM.

edmonspk
Mar 25, 2008
1:17 PM
Three out of 119! That's a decent average.

I agree with you that this kid is probably a bad apple though. But sadly, most sports teams (pro and college) don't care as long as they perform on the field.

sixfigurefan2
Mar 25, 2008
1:54 PM
Lisa

I agree Mr. Garcia represents the school and thus needs to act with this in mind.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was talking about Notre Dame when referring to generalizing, not you.

It's okay Lisa I forgive you, I'll just have to beat the Bomber Babes by a wider margin(Insider joke bloggers :)

Hanahan
Mar 25, 2008
1:57 PM
Lisa....I'm not trying to pile on, but you teed this one up. Your three examples. What is their combined record the last couple of years? That's why no one else is doing it the right way.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
3:39 PM
Hanahan....no one has more Heismans or NCs than Notre Dame. They are one of the most storied programs in college history, and they have had a bad cycle (due to the current bad coaching hire), but overall, they are pretty much the "it" factor in CFB. The last couple years out of a hundred years and you question whether or not they are doing the right thing?

six...I misunderstood...my bad. And whats the deal on baseball fantasy? I have no clue how this works...can u private message me on what I am supposed to do? I don't get it...it's diff than NFL which is once a week. Help!

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
3:40 PM
edmonsk...there are still some old timers out there (Joe Paterno, for example) who give a darn both on and off the field. But sadly, they are a dying breed.

Last edited by Lisa H on March 25th at 3:41 PM.

sixfigurefan2
Mar 25, 2008
4:34 PM
Lisa,

I'll PM you this evening.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
5:08 PM
six...bless you! :) I'm a baseball fantasy ####!

dashman68
Mar 25, 2008
5:46 PM
Spurrier was no better as far as discipline when he coached Florida; and in all fairness - he is not nearly the worst coach out there when it comes to discipline.

He has a problem getting the players he used to have because he is not in OnTelevisionEveryWeek-CloseToTheBea
ch-CarnivalCruise-UniversalStudios-
SeaWorld-Disneyland anymore. He is is COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA. Have you ever pondered a vacation there? Short trip? Weekend getaway? Yeah...me neither.

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that he has his assistant coaches tossing hookers through the windows of top recruits to try to persuade them to come play there.

It IS a shame that many coaches have lost the perspective that it is supposed to be an education first, but it seems that is where it is headed for many programs lately.

Bobby Bowden anyone?

Nostradomus
Mar 25, 2008
6:30 PM
Hmmmmmmm......... your picture of pointing the finger and 3 are pointing at you are pretty significant. You spend a lot of time pointing out deficiencies of other programs concerning their athletes and their discipline. UCLA, Notre Dame, Florida, and now South Carolina. Do we also get a diatribe on the difficulties facing your beloved USC Trojans? Believe me, my Huskers run a clean....cough...cough....sneeze...
....cough..program. I'm absolutely SURE you're Trojans do as well.

Living in LA, I would expect you to believe in Karma. Do you remember KSP's post about Tennessee and their all-SEC 'crime' team, and then a short 2 weeks later, 3 Penn State players were in trouble. Be careful. Be very very careful. You are dealing with Karma here.

LOL. Nice post. It is very hard NOT to hate Steve Spurrier. Very hard.

slshusker
Mar 25, 2008
7:12 PM
Here's a nice video from Jeff Healey, singing "While my visor gently weeps." RIP Jeff. Rare eye cancer did him in.

HalfBaked
Mar 25, 2008
7:19 PM
Wow, unbelievable. I'm no more than a casual fan of college football, so I was completely unaware of all of Spurrier's "contributions" to the educational standards at South Carolina. Perhaps in addition to cleaning house in the player's dorm, the University officials that Spurrier is so anxious to defer to when it comes to his players should consider giving the Ol' Ball Coach the boot too....

HalfBaked
Mar 25, 2008
7:27 PM
By the way Husker, I wasn't even aware Healey had died. I have one of his CD's and the guy could really sing, not to mention play the guitar....sorry to hear he's gone....

jon_464
Mar 25, 2008
7:29 PM
I won't be surprised if South Carolina becomes the doormat of the SEC, even worse than Vanderbilt. At least Vandy had a decent defense last season and played hard.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
7:58 PM
Nost...I remember the PSU players getting busted...and what happened to them? All three of them got kicked off the team. That's discipline.

All schools have problem-children on their teams, but it's pretty apparent that some schools deal with it better than others. And it's VERY apparent that instead of addressing the problem at hand, Spurrier has decided to make it easier to stay on the team. Problem with alcohol or drug abuse? No problem, let's make it 4 strikes instead of 2. Can't get in to South Carolina but can get by Clearinghouse? No problem, threaten to quit unless you lower the admissions req's.

You have your opinion, and I respect where you stand....but I have mine. I'm not picking on anyone in particular...I had to dig up stuff on Washington to show that the Pac 10 has problems too. It's unfortunate that most of the probs are occurring in one region of the US, and is it really surprising when all the players keep getting a slap on the wrist? That was my point.

Hugs.

Last edited by Lisa H on March 25th at 7:59 PM.

Nostradomus
Mar 25, 2008
8:10 PM
Lisa: Sorry if you didn't see the sarcasm in my response, but yes, I CANNOT find anything better than to degrade the 'power' of the VISOR. Both of our beloved programs have had their history of run-ins, and, yes it is nice to see other teams struggle with problems as well. But to be dead honest, neither of our programs are as clean as we would like them to be. At the major college football level, EVERY team has their faults (cheats). Some are just more prevalent in the public news. By the way how is the Reggie Bush thing going? Ha ha. Just kidding. In Huskerland we have some problems going on as well. In the internet they are just more apparent than they have ever been. And to be deathly honest, it is a bit unfair as well. Our 1st Heisman Trophy winner at Nebraska robbed a gas station in mid-season. He went on to play every game and win the trophy in 1972. Today? WOW..........

by the way, a little help on my latest entry.

Last edited by Nostradomus on March 25th at 8:13 PM.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
8:13 PM
husker...nice video...didn't know he died...he could strum that thing!

half....I am certain Spurrier isnt the first to do these sorts of things...Bobby and Lou bent a lot of rules too. The Gators (cringe) are the only other school that I am aware of that has the 4 strikes rule, but I don't think Urban would allow this kind of nonsense either.

Jon...Vandy is actually decent...they rocked with Cutler. I hope South Carolina doesn't flounder...but it's not looking pretty. They do have Smelley, who did a decent job last year.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
8:18 PM
Nost...I haven't heard a darn thing about Bush-gate! I have connections and this thing is bottled up tighter than a duck's ---. I want it over...guilty or not, just end it...I hate black clouds. If SC knew about this, you have'nt seen wrath yet! I will nail them to the cross. Help on the way!
Hugs.

photogr
Mar 25, 2008
8:30 PM
Spare thy rod and spoil thy child. Sounds like these childish above the law brats need their butts whipped.

Ok. I have to admit college kids do this kind of stuff. But that does not make it right. I can recall some did get caught in my college days and the parents were involved immediately with consequences.

Now Spurrier appears to be condoning this behavior Just because they are players? He is part of of the problem and also should be punished.

Lisa H
Mar 25, 2008
8:34 PM
Larry...yup, I agree. Hey...hope everyday you are feeling just a little bit better...you are so in my prayers kiddo. Hugs!

photogr
Mar 25, 2008
8:40 PM
Thanks.

edclinchsaint
Mar 25, 2008
10:15 PM
Great reporting, Academic Sleuth.

Hey, about that OL guy, I stole a little ESPN article for my recent post, or check the original...

On:

Xavier Su'a Filo, 6-foot-4, 270 pounds
ESPN 150 Watch List offensive lineman
Timpview (Provo, Utah)

And yes, he appears to be a good citizen. Refreshing, huh?

csorear
Mar 25, 2008
11:43 PM
No wonder people are worried about Spurrier leaving. It seems its something new every month. South Carolina MAY one day be a contender for SEC, but don't hold your breathe cause it may be a while. Spurrier is a winner. He may not be able to make USC win but he can't stand to lose, although it is great watching him get frustrated. I can't stand the ol man but i respect him. He won't stay long at USC because he doesn't have the integrity to stay and turn it around. He loves winning to much. I wonder if he is out dated and coaches have figured him out or if it is that bad in South Carolina. Regardless you can't win with your players always messing up. Besides, a school like SC that has been overlooked for so long, its hard to recruit and make a prospect commit with other schools like VT, Clem, UGA, Tenn, etc in the surrounding areas. I don't care if your the Bear, its gotta be hard.

joshfb98
Mar 26, 2008
6:09 AM
Well, as a lifelong, glutton-for-punishment Gamecock fan, I see some of the point here. But you can't generalize about Spurrier's "control" at SC because of these incidents. It does seem like a lot of problems have been coming from SC lately, I agree. But EVERY Div 1A school seems to have these "thug" like behaviors going on, which begs the question, are college coaches like Spurrier REALLY to blame?? As much as college coaches want to win, guess who likes it even more??--HIGH SCHOOL coaches!!! I've seen it first hand and HS coaches are EVEN WORSE with these athlete behavior problems and give so many PARDONS to their athletes it's ridiculous! So, the result, as you see, is a hoard of college football players who think they can get away with murder. So the trick is RECRUITING quality kids who are good student-athletes and good citizens. The problem is, recruiters only look at BOTTOM LINES just like any good businessman. They don't "do their homework" on these kids and just do whatever it takes for them to sign on the dotted line. So, the blame can't be totally on Spurrier, he's delegated his authority out to his asst coaches (I know, I've been to his coaching clinics), and trusts them to bring him good quality athletes. Obviously, they went amiss on this one (and several others). Also, we DON'T KNOW what goes on behind the scenes and there's always a second side to every story, so we can't crucify the ol' ball coach at SC just yet. SC is a college football anomaly always residing in the shadows of Clempson, unfortunately. Columbia, SC is not the prettiest of places and hard

Last edited by joshfb98 on March 26th at 6:14 AM.

edmonspk
Mar 26, 2008
6:49 AM
Lisa, Trust me, I'm with you that these kids need to held accountable. It's hard to do though when winning is the bottom line.

BUCKEYEZZ
Mar 26, 2008
8:02 AM
I think that the violations are minor and most think that the main reason he still attends SC is because they are afraid he will be playing somewhere else within a blink of an eye. What I am most upset about is that if you are going to keep a handle on your team and keep it under wraps then you need to make it painful enough that the kid doesnt think of conducting themself in the same manner anytime soon. Spurrier should have had him running steps at 6 am and then picking up the trash in the rest of the stadium afterwards. Kids hate manual labor.lol It would serve as a gentle reminder not to act like an ####. You know, its like developing a conscious for someone who doesnt normally operate with one. Last time I did that I had to.........????? so maybe I shouldnt do that. If you make it as painful as possible and they continue to act stupid then you let them go because you know they are unreachable and will at some point do something much worse to discredit the team and the university. "Police your own team Stevie!" All of this " I am being paid to caoch football, not to babysit" BS is just a cop out on your responsibilities to these young men.

Lisa H
Mar 26, 2008
8:07 AM
Josh...here's the thing...recruiters usually have a very good idea what kind of character these kids have. They know if he's a risk. Gracia was one of the subjects of a book called Meat Market, about the world of recruiting. Ole Miss wanted Garcia bad, but there were red flags that went up.....Notre Dame eventually passed on this kid due to the red flags. Spurrier gambled, and lost...sooo far. THE SIGNS WERE THERE...HE CHOSE TO TAKE A RISKY KID. That's one of the problems facing South Carolina. They aren't getting the bigger choices like everyone else, and when they do get a five star, or four star, like Garcia, they have to look past the red flags and take a chance. Let's face it, some schools, due to location and lack of a lot of local talent, will never be a National Contender.

Last edited by Lisa H on March 26th at 8:21 AM.

Lisa H
Mar 26, 2008
8:11 AM
cso...you make a very good point. Part of the problem for Spurrier is there isn't a huge talent pool in Soith Carolina, like there is in Louisiana or Alabama. The really big boys leave for other big-time SEC schools or even an ACC school such as Clemson. It's tough...so he has to take some risks. He took a huge gamble, and while it may pay off...right now it's ugly.

Lisa H
Mar 26, 2008
8:20 AM
Buck...tecnically, you are correct about the violations being minor. Here's the thing though...the underlying problem has been exposed. Garcia has shown his complete disregard for authority. He was arrested for failing to comply with a police officer's commands on one occasion, and he keyed a professor's car on another. He also vandalized some school property with a fire extinguisher. By themselves, they are somewhat minor misdeeds, but when you look at them as a group, it's a telling sign; Garcia doesn't like to follow an authoritative figure, and doesn't respect those with authority.

That's a bad sign, and it spells future problems for him. He doesn't respect the police, professors, or school property. He's a cancer, and now he's getting other teammates involved in his shenanigans.

Just what does Garcia have to do before Spurrier finally unloads him?

Lisa H
Mar 26, 2008
8:25 AM
ed....I will check it out, thanks!

ed...yup, I hear ya. Winning is everything, unless, of course, it generates too much negative pub for your school.

fuzzboss
Mar 26, 2008
8:30 AM
Ahhh, "win at any cost" Spurrier is back. Who'd thunk? What burns me, always has, schools let it go on and on. The boyz will boyz thing has gotten completely out of hand, translating into what I addressed in my last post. Schools recruit dumb-butts and lower the standards FOR them; then recruit muggers, thuggers and thieves on top of that. The school should bear blame for this too, need to set "guidelines" and then stick to them. Fuzz

DezzNutz
Mar 26, 2008
8:31 AM
This just isnt an Spurrier thing or an Sec-thing, though they are the greatest offenders as of late.

Its a cultural thing. America loves winning...and if at all costs, so be it; no matter the price you might have to pay or the sacrificies.

Spurrier needs to man up, but he is just trying to win in the "win at all costs" SEC, I bet some of those other SEC schools have low academic standards and drug failure tests as well...

Schools like SC with no real cfb lore (unlike ND, Michigan, Bama, Nebraska, USC, etc) are just trying to get there foot in the door, get some highly touted recruits...ya'know the dean, school admin. etc. could of all said "no" to Spurriers requests, but they didnt.

I fear even my homer Michigan, who always ran a clean, violation free program with Lloyd Carr at the helm...may have sacrificed some of that by pretty much pushing him out he door. We werent winning the bowl games and the OSU games, so we sacrificed class and professionalism in order to get a hot new coach with new ideas to take us to the pinnacle...Carr never hesitated to punish players or kick them off the team...I can only hope RR does the same.

If our coaches, who are our teachers cant teach players that losing the right way is better than winning the wrong way, then what's next?

HookedonCoke
Mar 26, 2008
9:14 AM
Lisa you are so biased. Why don't you write about SC and their problems. You like to #### on UCLA, South Carolina, and any other team. You write lame articles about coach's answering machines.

Carolina gets players from all over the south and not just South Carolina. That is not hard to see. The scope of college football would be a lot different if schools were allowed to only stay in state.


Every school has he drinking, fighting and drug problem. Carolina is no different. USC has the same problems and now the whole Bush deal.

Stop you blog. As they just dumb and pointless. You also leave mindless posts on articles about cf that are just silly.

tigerfan1966
Mar 26, 2008
9:25 AM
Lisa,

I agree that this kid needs to be kicked off the team. But your reply to JOKERSWILD above is a little off center. You said "now he's got other players drinking". What does that mean? Every university in the country has students and student-athletes who are drinking before they are of legal age. It's not like South Carolina is the exception. In fact, I would venture to say that there is not a single D-1 program in the country that doesn't have at least one player on their football team who isn't on his 2nd and even third chance. These are young adults we are talking about. They make stupid mistakes. Always have, always will. The best we can hope for is that when they make these mistakes, they learn from having to deal with the consequences. This kid obviously didn't learn, so yes, he should be kicked off the team.

joshfb98
Mar 26, 2008
9:34 AM
I have to agree there. Our recruiting coordinator is a 28-year old dude (nephew of Lane Kiffin), so I can see where he could misjudge character. He's trying to advance himself and is probably just told to "go get them at any cost." The sad truth is like you said, we'll settle for any 4-5 star player due to our CFB status as mid-levels, but all the so-called "majors" in CFB now got there by some questionable means, with ND probably being an exception. Gotta love the Catholics. So, I guess this should be a sign that we're on our way up! LOL. Doesn't Garcia remind anyone of another cavalier SCarolina QB from the 90's????? Taneyhill anyone?? Of course, even HE wasn't as dumb as this guy! But as bad as it seems, Spurrier HAS gotten the program better from when Holtz had it. So imagine how bad it USED to be.

Pac10Sucks
Mar 26, 2008
11:07 AM
more garbage i guess this doesnt go on at your beloved usc eh?

Lisa H
Mar 26, 2008
12:00 PM
hooked...with a screen name like yours, I probably shouldn't respond, but I will. ALL coaches want to keep their own recruits in their own backyard...Spurrier hasn't been able to do that. The Bush deal? So far, nothing has happened. But I'm sure you will keep hoping. And by the way, I am biased? I reported facts. I noticed how you really didn't defend your argument except to say that it happens everywhere. Nice, intelligent argument.

Tigerfan...yes, he is getting his buddies to drink. Keep in mind, Garcia's older brother was arrested as well for buying the booze, so as you can see, this was Garcia's deal, and he dragged down two other players with him. Every school has its problems. But the point of this blog was to show Spurrier's almost condonement of it by raising the 2 strike policy to 4. You can't argue that's sending a positive message, can you?

Josh, yeah, Lou left it in shambles, I know. And that is part of the problem. Keep being a good fan like you are and hopefully, you will be rewarded. You're a good guy!

Pac10....if it goes on at SC, I report it. In fact, I did two weeks ago. You can check in the archives. The garbage is the blog, or what's going on at South Carolina? In other words....you don't like the truth so it's garbage?

gogators1713
Mar 26, 2008
12:31 PM
If I recall the events correctly, remember Randy Moss? Didn't he sign with Notre Dame, only to be finally dismissed from the team when he joined in to beat a fellow student to near death? Then Saint Bobby said come on down to Tallahassee, we give our boys a second chance. I think he was kicked off the team when caught using drugs while performing community service. Then he went to Marshall, yeah, the We Are Marshall bunch, and the rest of his unfortunately storied career is history...mooning, shooting birds, shooting his mouth off, ruining the Vikings, going to the NFL penitiary the Raiders, and now terrorizing defenses and women alike with the incredibly virtuous Pats. So they get several chances throughout life. However, being a UF grad, I am sorry that Coach Spurrier is going soft in discipline. He once ruled the Gators with an iron fist, and was in fact the only strict college football coach in the state of Florida at the time. Kinda sad. I hope there is more to the story.

footballfanatico
Mar 26, 2008
2:30 PM
The real kicker...Spurrier told Garcia last spring that the keying incident was his last chance (quoted in several SC newspapers).

Last edited by footballfanatico on March 26th at 2:46 PM.

Lisa H
Mar 26, 2008
2:55 PM
gogators...hey, I think Spurrier made a mistake when he left for the 'Skins, but it's so hard to turn down money like that. He was a good thing at UF, HOWEVER...Urban is doing quite a nice job there and will soon be known as a great Gator coach. I like him! He's done some questionable stuff, but so far, has been a good boy and I think he will be a great coach for the Gators. (Of course, I love the Gators, so there's a lil homer in that statement) Chomp Chomp!

ff....he reiterated that sentiment a couple of weeks before this latest incident. It's sad...this kid has real talent. You should check him out on youtube.com...he's a gunslinger. If he could just settle down. And stay away from his Harvard-grad brother (who bought the beer for Stephen and his buddies). Ugh..if I were his parents......there would be serious hell to pay.

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