Kahn Games
by: Kahn_Games
Webber's legacy is a sad one
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:09AM | report this

Chris Webber will finally hobble off into the NBA sunset today, and fittingly it leaves us with mixed feelings about a superstar talent with a star-crossed career before his 15th season ever really began.

He leaves the NBA having averaged 20.7 points, 9.8 rebounds and 4.2 assists – joining Elgin Baylor, Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Kevin Garnett and Billy Cunningham as the only players in history to average at least 20, 9.0 and 4.0 for a career.

He was the most famous member of the illustrious Fab Five at Michigan, leading the group that made it to the NCAA championship game in both of his seasons. But the Detroit native won’t be remembered for that as much as for the timeout he called in the final minute that virtually cost them the title to North Carolina in 1993.

He was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1993 NBA draft but was dealt by Orlando to Golden State for Penny Hardaway and three No. 1 draft choices. He soon found it impossible to get along with Warriors coach Don Nelson, and was dealt to Washington the first month of his second season.

That Nellie was the guy who wanted him back for this season – only to watch him struggle miserably with that bum left knee limiting him to just 3.9 points, 3.6 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 9 games – was a fittingly ironic end to Webber’s career. Undoubtedly at his retirement press conference you will see Webber impeccably dressed with that million-dollar smile glowing from baseline to baseline. Maybe even a tear will roll down his cheek during his well-articulated diatribe. But this bizarre exit also will be filled with the same double-talk Webber has always provided – the last boast being how much he would help either the Pistons, Lakers or Warriors win a championship this season.

The only thing we’ve ever known for sure about Webber is that he is an assorted bag of tricks. Indeed, his commitment at Michigan helped gain the Wolverines Jalen Rose, Juwan Howard, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson as the most publicized group to ever join one college team. Years later, Webber ended up being the heart of the NCAA investigation regarding illegal money-laundering scandal involving booster Ed Martin. Webber lied to the grand jury and nearly went to prison for perjury – apology accepted.

After being dealt to Washington by Golden State, he played with Howard to form an amazingly talented frontcourt, although it ended with just one 3-game trip to the playoffs in his four years. Predictably, when he was sent to Sacramento in 1998 for washed up Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe, he whined and stomped his feet as if he were sentenced to Siberia.

But it was there that he resurrected his standing among superstar talents, and led the renaissance of a nomadic franchise that had been a bottom-feeder since moving there from Kansas City in 1985. They made it to the playoffs all six of his seasons there, including a heartbreaking Game 7 defeat to the Lakers in the 2002 conference finals in a mass of missed free throws by the Kings in Arco Arena. It was crushing physically and mentally.

Predictably, Webber and the Kings began to erode from there, with Webber beginning to call out his teammates. Meanwhile, his left knee was getting worse and he had microfracture surgery the next season. And when Webber returned he could no longer run or jump. He still had those great hands and timing to rebound. His soft touch from around the key, the elbow and hooks in the lane still worked from experience. Arguably the best passing power forward in the history of the game, he could still find his teammates at will.

But he no longer could perform at the level that his psyche or mouth believed, and Kings president Geoff Petrie finally shipped Webber and his monstrous contract to Philadelphia. That he went with Michael Bradley and Matt Barnes for Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner in a 2005 deal better characterized Webber’s fall from grace than anything else.

Sure, it was fun for about 15 minutes to hypothesize how Webber and Allen Iverson would get along and drive the Sixers to great heights. But it was destined to fail. They reached the playoffs the first season and lasted five games, and didn’t even get out of the lottery in 2006. At that point, Webber had the look of somebody playing on eggshells the way he often staggered around the court.

Before the next season even hit the All-Star break, Iverson was dealt to Denver and Webber’s contract was bought out by the Sixers. Four days after his release, his hometown Pistons signed him. Sure, he added a passing dimension from the post, some rebounds and was a perimeter threat. But his limitations reflected theirs as the playoffs unfolded in their upset loss to Cleveland in the conference finals … and Webber’s minutes fell accordingly.

That brings us to this marvelously competitive NBA season, with him making noise about how he wanted to help somebody win a championship. There's no telling why Nellie bought his bill of goods and actually thought he could fit in with a lightning-fast team when he could barely jog. Even while cobbling out 61 games last season, he was limited at best.  After not playing until signed on Jan. 29, the Warriors squeezed 9 games out of him – starting 8 in a failed attempt to jump-start what was left in five weeks.

And he was finished.

Somehow it figured to end this way for Webber – nothing but empty promises, just at varying levels. Even so, he played in four All-Star games and his career numbers are special. But he was never destined to win the biggest prize, not on the collegiate level, nor in the NBA.

It’s never appropriate to pin the failings of a team on an individual as so many have done with Webber, whether it was his mouth, passing up big shots or missing big shots. He was a superstar, one of the best power forwards the game has ever seen. But what you saw or heard from him wasn’t always what you got. Insteadin a “C-Webb” of empty assurances - it always caused issues.

In the end, that may very well prove to be his legacy, and that is sad for such a talented athlete to be remembered that way.

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BleedPRPL&GLD
Mar 26, 2008
10:27 AM
TIME OUT!

ljohnson
Mar 26, 2008
10:38 AM
what do you mean we dont have anymore timeouts?


Mar 26, 2008
10:48 AM
The man made a mistake as a 20 year old, and it's all you can BLEEP remember?!? Chris truly is one of the best 4's of all time. Certainly the best passing big man. Just learn to appreciate the good and overlook a few shortcomings. We just lost a rare talent.

OtraVes2
Mar 26, 2008
10:52 AM
KOBE!!!!!

thebestthereiswasnwillbe
Mar 26, 2008
11:02 AM
goodbye chris, we hardly knew ya.

i always liked his game and his attitude towards his teamates. the best hands ever in the nba.

mac_timm
Mar 26, 2008
11:02 AM
Webber is listed at 6' 9", the same height as Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. There is no way that he was a better passer than either of those two LEGENDS. Chris was a GOOD player, but he didn't live up to his talent or hype.

Mo Malone
Mar 26, 2008
11:04 AM
I cheered for c-webb even though he made the mistakes in college and had been taking illegal money when he was young but you know what he was a young kid and no one told him what he was doing was wrong. I even cheered him on after his surgery. I wanted c-webb to get with it but you know what he didn't. I still cheered him on. Right up till the moment he got arrested for smoking marijuana. I just said, "boy, that guy is really stupid." Stars get into much trouble when they're young and people always remembers them for it. Like Kobe, Jermaine O'neal, Dwayne Wade and Josh Howard. LeBron is starting to get into trouble too like going 113mph, being on the Vogue magazine, and accepting money that his high-school gave him. I'm glad Bynum has Kareem as a mentor because more people need them.

Mac Timm-Chris Webber is the best passing power-forward in the NBA. He is 6'10" Larry Bird was a small forward and Magic was a point guard.

Last edited by Mo Malone on March 26th at 11:06 AM.

ljohnson
Mar 26, 2008
11:06 AM
no, i remember more, but that is the only thing that sticks out besides he had some of the best hands for a big man

brownbearlion
Mar 26, 2008
11:26 AM
wow this comes as a shock to me, i thought he retired 5 yrs ago that was the last time i heared his name mentioned in a game

whatsyourflavar
Mar 26, 2008
11:33 AM
Chris Webber actually changed basketball and no one appreciates it. Only one team average 100 per game when Webber came to Sac, and it was the kings. For all those 02-05 Mavs fanss, 05-present Suns Fans, Current warrior fans, kidd-martin-jefferson fans, as well as other notably "fun" offenses, you can thank Chris Webber and to a lesser extent White Chocolate. I really dont think the timeout affected him. He was one Big shot Bob miss away from being an eventual NBA champion.

1KimBauer
Mar 26, 2008
11:42 AM
For the win! Timeout!

Surely there are hundreds of posts out there that make no sense now that I removed my Horry/Webber avatar. All over the Sac. boards, the Rockets boards. Posts where I simply said MEEEEEEE! Then put an arrow pointing at it. Sorry Webber, I realize that it wasn't fair. You were a casualty in my J Will/Bibby war.

Last edited by 1KimBauer on March 28th at 1:24 PM.

nfh
Mar 26, 2008
11:45 AM
The "FAB 5" will be remembered in Michigan for a long time. For the DAMAGE they did to the U of M Basketball program. Most kids would kill for a free education at Michigan, they ruined a proud program.

Hoffman
Mar 26, 2008
11:46 AM
I don't think Webber's legacy is sad.

Despite his success in the NBA, I remember him most from his days with the Fab Five. Even then, I don't think his timeout completely tarnished his collegiate success.

The Fab Five put their mark on the game of basketball...maybe as much as any team ever. I mean that. They ushered in the hip-hop era with their long, baggy shorts and black shoes (they all wore the CB34's, I know because they made me want to go out and get my pair).

People blame Webber for Michigan's loss to the Tarheels but they were down by 2 when he called that timeout. There's no guarantee that the Wolverines would have scored on that possession. And even if they did, the game would have been tied and gone into overtime.

None of that should take away from the fact that he led them to two straight NCAA championship games.

Man, all of this Fab Five talk is taking me back...

Last edited by Hoffman on March 26th at 11:57 AM.

BleedPRPL&GLD
Mar 26, 2008
11:57 AM
Chrissy's best NBA moment is barley missing blocking Horry's three...my favorite avatar!(change it back Kim)
Thanks for the warm-ups before the finals during the 3-peat Chrissy, and props for nailing Tyra.
You and Floppy Divac should adopt that little bowl-legged guy that could shoot the three...Bibby.
Not even in the top 10 power fowards of all time. MAYBE top 20. Best BLEEP-town Queen of all time...not that it means much.

SHOW-TIME-OUT.

Last edited by BleedPRPL&GLD on March 26th at 11:58 AM.

vegasray777
Mar 26, 2008
11:59 AM
great hands dont win championships ,great shots do!!!

Clean187
Mar 26, 2008
12:01 PM
The "timeout" is such an iconic moment in basketball that it was going to be hard for Webber to remembered for anything other than that.

What a rare talent, though. What great passing ability. He made that Kings team what it was. I miss the Kings-Lakers battles of the 2000-2003.

That being said, he just didn't have the mental make up to be a great, legendary player. He wasn't one of those guys that, in the face of adversity, he got it done. He just whined and sulked, and, to me, that is his legacy. An enermous talent that, on the court, only ended up being a very good player. To say anything more than that about Webber is completely ignoring his mental shortcomings that negatively impacted his career.

tcliff
Mar 26, 2008
12:05 PM
I've had to listen or read about weber forever. With this article I hope he just goes away

Hoffman
Mar 26, 2008
12:12 PM
The Kings were the second best basketball team in the NBA from 2000 to 2003. There's no denying that. The Lakers/Kings battles were classic. The only series that has come close to matching that entertainment value this decade was Spurs/Suns last season.

If not for the second best duo in basketball history (Shaq & Kobe), C-Webb has a couple of rings and we're talking about him in a completely different context.

So much of a player's legacy is determined by chance.

lhuffman66
Mar 26, 2008
12:18 PM
I am really tired of hearing the "Sad Story" summarizations of retiring high-profile athletes. It is not sad, it is sports. There is only one team out of X (varies year to year, sport to sport) that wins...and in a decade there are only 10...often the same team repeating. So...what this means is that there are a LOT of athletes with the same sad story. Some even sadder.

What about the rookie talent that has a career ending injury before he even gets off the ground? Certainly sadder than millionaire problem children...as an example. Sports is full of sad stories...but I cannot feel too sorry for a guy like Webber who had opportunity...earned plenty of cash...and still did not win. Why is that sad...he was not a winner? I think only Sacto/Sixer and Pistons fans can get choked up over that. Or are you planning on writing hundreds of stories a year about athletes who have to retire without a championship? It will be a long list, and c-web is but one of many.

I am sorry, but C-Web not winning a title is not sad...it simply means he did not win, as is the case with the vast majority of players in the league. Millionaires retiring at 35 is also not sad...at least not to most of us reading this (who will not earn millions and will have to retire at 65+).

Weepy retirement stories of athletes are out of place these days. The money is to great for any true sympathy. Poor guy, he will now have to spend the rest of his life enjoying his money and large houses and Escolades and guest commentator roles on sports shows.

edc1
Mar 26, 2008
12:24 PM
How can any professional athlete have a sad legacy?
There is nothing sad about getting paid to do what you Love! If it is a team game, how can one athlete be held accountable for not winning a championship? There a so many variables that they have absolutley no control over. I love basketball and appreciate C-Web. So what if he made mistakes and is not "Perfect like the rest of us?"

Vikingsfan1968
Mar 26, 2008
12:30 PM
good bb player and am a iowa fan, glad he left michigan when he did, otherwise he would have won another big ten conference championship

buckeyehomer
Mar 26, 2008
12:45 PM
Sorry to see you hanging it up Chris. After all you were one of the best college players that money could buy.

ATRAIN78
Mar 26, 2008
12:45 PM
Props to Warriors trying to get C-WEBB back into the game! Chris Webber reserected the Kings, and when the Kings traded him, they fell !

He was a great player, and I give him alot of respect! He played with heart untill the end , and thats all you can ask for!

miracor
Mar 26, 2008
12:48 PM
Yeah, um.... I have a question. Who the bleep is Mike Kahn to tag people as leaving a "sad legacy"? His legacy as a sportswriter is nil.

This type of third-rate hackery needs to stop. Let the man retire in peace.

brdie
Mar 26, 2008
1:05 PM
Nobody mentioned the fact that he single handedly killed the University of Michigan's basketball program. He took cash from a booster and they ended up on probation. The program has never been the same since. He had the audacity to tell the current AD at the time, Tom Goss, that he was not a "Michigan man," even though the man graduated from the university and played football there. This coming from someone who only spent two years at the school, but did enough damage for a generation. He deserves to go out without a title. Zero class!

toyoter58
Mar 26, 2008
1:17 PM
what's sad is this article. c-web had a great career. if not for shaq and kobe he would have won two titles. if not for micro-fracture surgery he may have gotten the better of LA with shaq and kobe anyway. the guy was a great player for 11 yrs and an mvp candidate for at least two years. i am not even a big fan to be honest, but most guys who make it to the nba would kill to have his talent or career.

Hoffman
Mar 26, 2008
1:17 PM
brdie

What Webber did was wrong. I won't argue that it wasn't. But Webber wasn't the only taking cash in the 80's and 90's. He was one of MANY. He just happened to get caught.

I'm not making excuses for him but I think the NCAA is the most hypocritical organization in the world. They make MILLIONS off of student athletes. Yes, some of them are skilled enough to get a free education, which is great but free tuition doesn't balance the NCAA's books.

Last edited by Hoffman on March 26th at 1:24 PM.

markj111
Mar 26, 2008
1:19 PM
Have people forgotten that Michigan was trailing in the final seconds when he called the timeout? They might have won if he had not done so, but the odds were against it.

beemoses
Mar 26, 2008
1:19 PM
Let me see Webber has made millions of dollars and can sit back and enjoy the rest of his life before the age of 35. Yet a few jealous geeks continue to still make fun of him calling time out in a college game 15 years ago. Get a life Dumb A--es!!! Good Luck C-Webb.

PhD2B
Mar 26, 2008
1:39 PM
The Fab 5 was special..especially while being a UofM student during this era. They altered the look and play of college basketball.

If the banners remained in Chrysler Arena. If the men's bball program wasn't penalized. If the student body (past & present) didn't have to feel the burn of allegations, lies and consequences of others...then Chris Webber would be heralded for his bball career.

Webber walked, but the University suffered.

By the way...he should've retired when Detroit didn't renew his contract.

njpaddy
Mar 26, 2008
1:43 PM
Webber's career can be summed up in 3 words: coulda...woulda...shoulda.

vegasray777
Mar 26, 2008
1:53 PM
he would still be playing if would have trained off season instead being lazy,you win championships with a good shot not good hands.GREAT HANDS NO RINGS.

Hoffman
Mar 26, 2008
1:59 PM
Mike,

Who are your top ten power forwards of all-time?

If Webber misses that cut, where does he rank?

Jackie53
Mar 26, 2008
2:01 PM
There is nothing sad about Chris Webber's legacy.
Chris was able to do something only about 400 men are doing and that's play pro ball. He has done it for fifteen years. He is one of the best power forwards that has played the game. Hopefully he will be remember as such. If not trust me I know for a fact he will be alright.

nostalgicballer
Mar 26, 2008
2:05 PM
Geez, you would think the guy died. This read more like an obituary.

edmonspk
Mar 26, 2008
2:09 PM
Black socks is how I will remember him.

hoopsfan
Mar 26, 2008
2:13 PM
Chris Webber was a very talented ballplayer, no doubt about that. However, he could never be depended on when the game was on the line. In crunch time, the time when he should have stepped up and showed what he was made of, his team always needed a search committee to find him. He never came through in the clutch.

Last edited by hoopsfan on March 26th at 2:15 PM.

airchicago
Mar 26, 2008
2:41 PM
CWebb was a very good player but not a "great" player. This word has been used too loosely. CWebb needed to win championships but also needed to act like a pro, like a "great" player does, which he did not. Sorry but no HOF for him. Stats are part of HOF credentials but not the only thing.

brownsuga08
Mar 26, 2008
2:46 PM
I have to overlook all of the perfect folks on this site and give props to C.Webb as an athlete and a exNBA player. The man made a huge mistake and has and will always be remembered for it. So folks you can call him a choker, no talent, a whinner and whatever else comes to mind. One thing I have to say to all of you is that it takes a certain kind of talent to make it into the NBA and he had it. Great job C.Webb, now sit back and enjoy all $$$$ you made while playing. I wish you the best!

WARRIORS I GOT YOUR BACK WIN OR LOSE!!!!! A FAN FOR LIFE!!!

AAB#1
Mar 26, 2008
2:48 PM
To be fair the year the Kings went seven games with the Lakers they should have won the series in game 6. They were jobbed by the NBA's biased officiating in that game. Then in game seven they choked. But it never should have gone to a game seven. The NBA is so rigged it's pathetic.

OhioStateBuckeyeNation
Mar 26, 2008
3:07 PM
cya C Webb

Last edited by OhioStateBuckeyeNation on March 26th at 3:08 PM.

AgentEggroll
Mar 26, 2008
3:12 PM
Everyone's gotta give Webber his due. Karl Malone (had Kobe, Shaq, and GP to work with) and Charles Barkley (had Drexler and Hakeem) were great PF to never win a title, so he's not alone. CWebb should be considered the best passing PF to ever play the game. He and the Fab 5 transcended basketball into the present hip hop phenomenon. They basically started the hip hop/basketball revolution back at Michigan. They were the team to rock super baggy shorts and black socks. They put flavor into the college game. The one thing that people don't understand about CWebb is that he wasn't the natural leader who could carry a team on his back. He had leadership game, but lacked the nerves during crunch time to be the go to guy when the game was on the line. He had a great career even without the titles.

nba is the worst
Mar 26, 2008
3:17 PM
NBA Rigged?

YA THINK???

wischeese
Mar 26, 2008
3:18 PM
Didn't like the article , written with a far too critical attitude. Dan Marino didn't win a championship and is still a champion in my mind----no I'm not a fins fan. A champion is one who plays with a great amount of skill and obviously alot of heart. A champion will always press towards the trophy whether they obtain it or not. We place too much value on hardware and not enough on the soul and effort of the athlete. Once the glory of the moment fades----no one hardly gives a rip anyway.

Joe
Mar 26, 2008
3:21 PM
Chronology:
Ruined the Michigan program w/his greed
Dumped by Orlando immediately
Demanded a trade from G State, cuz he thought he was in charge, wrecking that team
Underachieved in Washington
Gouged Sacto and blamed teammates, won nothing
Philly bought him out to get rid of him
Hurt Pistons in playoff loss to Cavs
Hits up G State for 1 last $$ scam
Divisive teammate, loser, this clown isn't in the top 20 power forwards of all time.

doc145
Mar 26, 2008
3:23 PM
Chris was a good player not a great player. He never made people around him better. He never won a thing in college or pro ball. During his stay at UM he was tied to ED Martin and we know what happened there. When Chris jointed to Pistons last year I was hoping for him that they'd win the championship but when the playoffs came around Chris just disappeared, that is the store of his bball career in a nut shell. Good luck with the rest of your life Chris I wish you the very best!!!

Juwan24
Mar 26, 2008
3:27 PM
The funniest thing in all these comments is Ohio State fans condemning someone for getting paid while in college, talk about the pot and the kettle

And Michigan's BBall program wasn't exactly storied before Chris and them got there, they had a shining moment and even that was in the midst of coaching issues. Chris messed up the program by getting caught, but Michigan would still be nowhere today without Him, Juwan, Jalen, Jimmy and Ray, not to mention all the black socks and michigan shorts Nike sold. I think Chris should have retired last season at home in the D, but I can't imagine it's easy to just quit something you've been known for for the last 20 years

bastudeo
Mar 26, 2008
3:41 PM
Ervin "MAGIC" Johnson people, C-Web doesn't even come close to being the best forward ever. Didn't even make the Olympic team. C-Web will be remembered for his bark not his bite.

Kahn_Games
Mar 26, 2008
4:09 PM
Hoffman,

I did a blog a ways back ranking the best power forwards for their individual skills, with Duncan as the best overall. I didn't do in 1-10 though, and I don't have Webber in my top 10 - but he's right there at 11 or 12 with Amare still proving himself.


1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Charles Barkley
4. Kevin McHale
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Bob Pettit
7. Dave DeBusschere
8. Buck Williams
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Dirk Nowitzki

burningbutterfly
Mar 26, 2008
4:11 PM
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