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Never any surprises
Jan 24, 2008 | 7:06PM | report this

There are no surprises. There never are because there aren’t allowed to be when it comes to the fan balloting for an All-Star game.

So when the 2008 starters were announced Thursday for the 57th Annual NBA All-Star game to be played in New Orleans on Feb. 17, there was no reason to get excited. They all deserve to be there … with the big question coming next Thursday when the other guys who deserved to start get voted on to complete the squad.

Which is then followed by the furor over who gets left out.

Celtics forward Kevin Garnett earned the sixth most votes in history and paced everyone this season for his 11th consecutive trip to the All-Star game. He’ll be joined up front by super-youngsters LeBron James of the Cavs and upstart Orlando’s Dwight Howard. There are no arguments there, if only because they are the three best frontcourt players in the East.

And really, there’s not much to argue in the backcourt, either. Dwyane Wade – coming off surgery on both his shoulder and knee – has been his spectacular self, despite having no help at all on the horrifyingly bad Heat. And then there is the always confusing Jason Kidd, he of the passive aggressive personality and the perfect skinny triple-doubles.  Chauncey Billups would be a better pick, but he’s a lock to get added on next week anyway.

The West starters aren’t any more controversial, although next week figures to be even more difficult. The Rockets Yao Ming was a lock to be the top vote-getter at center, with the irrepressible Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant and Nuggets ubiquitous guard Allen Iverson the starters in the backcourt. Iverson came from behind to knock out Yao’s teammate Tracy McGrady, which is a good thing considering Iverson is a much better choice.

Next to Yao up front are the Spurs “Big Fundamental” Tim Duncan and Iverson’s Nuggets teammate Carmelo Anthony, considered by many to now be the best low-post scorer in the game today.

There are no arguments here to be made. This is the “fan’s game,” after all, and hopefully it will create some positive vibes for the struggles not even close to being resolved in New Orleans and the aftermath of Katrina.

But the questions remain about next week, and what the coaches are going to do about filling out the roster. They can not vote for players on their own team, plus they must pick five players by position and two alternates from their conference to fill out the 12-man roster. If there are injuries, it will be up to commissioner David Stern to supply the replacement.

Perhaps the biggest question – both literally and figuratively – is what to do about injury-ridden Heat center Shaquille O’Neal. Does he deserve a 15th consecutive trip to the All-Star game just out of respect for what he has accomplished in his career and for the league? If it’s a fan’s game, yes. But in many ways, out of respect for how Shaq has become just a giant shadow of himself on the court and no longer an All-Star caliber player, let’s leave well enough alone.

That being said, let’s fill out the rest of the East squad: Raptors forward Chris Bosh, Wizards forward Caron Butler, Hawks guard Joe Johnson, Pistons guard Chauncey Billups and Cavs center Zydrunas Ilgauskas as the second five - with Celtics forward Paul Pierce and Pistons forward/center Rasheed Wallace as the two wild cards.

The West will be even more difficult to cut down, once you get past the second group of Suns center Amare Stoudemire and his teammate Steve Nash and New Orleans’ Chris Paul at the guards, with Utah’s Carlos Boozer and Dallas’ Dirk Nowitzki at the forwards.

That leaves us with just two spots to include Golden State’s Baron Davis, Phoenix’s Shaun Marion, Portland’s superb second-year guard Brandon Roy, along with the Hornets David West and Tyson Chandler, and that’s not to mention the Spurs Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili, and perhaps the best defensive player in the league, Marcus Camby at Denver.

Just for spark, I’ll go with Brandon Roy, for what he has done to life the Blazers from near oblivion and Tyson Chandler for how he has built himself into an All-Star caliber player at 23 after being beaten down to a nearly permanent fetal position in Chicago for five years.

And if you don’t like it, it doesn’t matter. This is what the All-Star game is all about. It’s filled with political, personal and popular decisions. Logic and statistics are merely props to justify whatever you want them to do. Every player mentioned here has the talent, style and statistics to be an All-Star. That’s why there has been a push going on the last few years to expand the All-Star rosters to 15 to avoid exclusion.

But it’s not likely to happen for now. The super weekend that’s expected to uplift the Big Easy is all about parties for sponsors and throwing money around in a city that is in such dire need, and hope against hope that it can add some juice to the Hornets franchise that is suffering the conundrum of being superb on the court but nobody comes to see the games.

So that’s why we’re making this point about picking whoever we want to be on the roster. When all is said and done about the weekend, it still comes down to the same thing for the players.

This is all about the game, and they all want to be there, if only because it’s the one time they call get to hang out together without the pressure of the regular season. And that’s the best part about it.

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fwheezy
Jan 24, 2008
8:34 PM
why isnt kevin martin mentioned??

alaskanballa
Jan 24, 2008
8:38 PM
Kevin Martin isn't mentioned because he is one dimensional and was injured for most of the first half

hughjerecion
Jan 24, 2008
8:42 PM
kevin martin stinks

PickledEggs
Jan 24, 2008
8:45 PM
'Shlock' O'Neil in the all-star game???

What a farce that would be.

Also, Allen Iverson is a dirtball along with his co-hort Carsmello Anthony.

Hoffman
Jan 24, 2008
8:59 PM
Shaq shouldn't receive a ceremonial nod.

Of the two Western Wildcards I'll take Brandon Roy and Baron Davis. Camby is definately deserving but this is the All-Star game and I want to see a show.

* It's Shawn Marion, not "Shaun" Marion.

Last edited by Hoffman on January 24th at 9:05 PM.

mathaddict59
Jan 24, 2008
9:25 PM
Tony Parker deserves a spot. Enough said.

Tom7
Jan 24, 2008
10:05 PM
Sheq didn't earn it this year; even he should agree with that.

It's funny how the team with the 6th best record in the West has two players starting in the all star game. That's wrong. More deserving than Iverson are Chris Paul and Steve Nash.

After the 5 starters, the next tier should be Nash, Paul, Boozer and Nowitzki, but I'd put Camby on the all star team before Stoudemire at Center. Trouble is, I don't think Denver's record merits 3 all stars.

Interesting how the team with the sixth best record could well have 3 all stars, but the defending champion Spurs, just one game out of first place in the West, could only have 1.

The system is messed up.

DrNeverWFU
Jan 24, 2008
10:10 PM
AKballa: I hope you have seen 3:10 to Yuma, it's a classic.

One of my good boys is from AK... Eric Lunde. He was the goalie for G Washington for a couple years in DC... dad was Senator. One of the best, great guy. In any event, I love the hoops... nice to hear an educated opinion. I am so sick of the a$$bag nonsence. The West is the most compelling story in sports...

alton
Jan 24, 2008
10:16 PM
How about Deron Williams? The West is incredibly stacked this year. Josh Howard?

stopbeingdumb
Jan 24, 2008
10:19 PM
noone deserves an all star start, its an honor that bestowed on players and leaves it in the fans hands. Who cares who it is, what's important is the people who sacrifice to be able to afford tickets a couple times a year, and waste money on all the overpriced shoes and gear these players endorse get their say. The so called deserving can get in without the fans vote by all the brilliant nba minds.

teeeeoff
Jan 24, 2008
10:22 PM
With all due respect to Allen Iverson, Steve Nash should have gotten the start.

LoanBrokerList
Jan 24, 2008
10:23 PM
I think you're forgetting Chris Kaman. He's having a better year than both Camby and Chandler.

Kaman - 17.4 ppg, 13.9 rpg
Camby - 9.5 ppg, 14.5 rpg
Chandler - 12.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg

Yes, I know it's for the Clippers, but Kaman deserves a spot in the All-Star game.

Steve_1
Jan 24, 2008
10:35 PM
denver have 2 all-star starters and are only 6th in the west because they don't gel as a team as well as teams like the spurs do. the spurs squad is definately a greater value than the sum of it's parts.

plus 'melo & iverson are (clearly) popular with the fans.

i think chris paul should be given the nod for a spot on the west bench, will further help the profile of the hornets.

Last edited by Steve_1 on January 24th at 10:38 PM.

ergaster
Jan 24, 2008
10:36 PM
Hoffman, it's definitely, not definately

dosequis26
Jan 24, 2008
10:56 PM
Give it to Tyson Chandler. The Bulls got rid of him because he didn't get along woth Scott Skiles and to clear space for Ben Wallace, who no one even mentions for all-star consideration. Hey PAX: OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jstarr
Jan 24, 2008
11:08 PM
we all know popularity gets you a starting spot. but on the guards of the west, after kobe and iverson, nash is a lock. paul, davis and roy deserve the other spots. if room for one more i would pick williams(utah). why is everyone considering parker. statisticaly he doesnt even compare to the 5 i mentioned. look it up. and you can't tell me he is more valuable to the team than the others. and kevin martin hasnt played enough games.

TimmyD02
Jan 24, 2008
11:33 PM
Some of you people sound like Charles Barkely...I like Steve Nash and Chris Paul (they will BOTH be at the All-Star game) but I can't say that I am dissappointed with Iverson starting either. The guy is averaging 27 ppg and 7 assists, he is quietly having one of the best seasons in the league. His team is only four games back from the Suns and the Hornets so its not like their team is leading his team by much. I seen that Iverson leads his team in PPG, assists (although he plays the SG position), minutes played and steals... so if he doesn't deserve to start, then no one does.

The problem is not with the players...its that the West is so deep, there are about 10 players that deserve to start at any given time. You could start Nash, Paul or Iverson...but you can also make an arguement for Dirk N., Carlos Boozer over Carmelo...you can say Marcus Camby over Yao. Thats my point. The All-Star game is for the fans, they select who they want to see and just because someone is having a breakout season (paul) doesn't mean they deserve to start over a player that plays great every season (Iverson). People don't want to see players they don't know. You do want to get a few new players each year (Paul and Roy) but you also want to see the players that are always there Kobe, Iverson and Lebron....who cares who starts..as long as they are all there.

SpeedOfLight
Jan 24, 2008
11:57 PM
I'm expecting Kobe to go nuts.

The Problem
Jan 25, 2008
12:10 AM
Tom 7

So waht if the Nuggets are 6th, the Spurs were 6th like 3 days ago. Theyre not in any way the best team anymore. hey almost #### lost to Miami last night and they lost to the nuggets. The only spur who deserves to make is Duncan. All 3 of those nuggets should make it. Camby over Amare, AI over Nash. The west is too close to look at which teams are doing better.

nba is the worst
Jan 25, 2008
1:22 AM
I have to agree with The Problem, the teams in the west are so competitive that the won-loss record at any point depends on the schedule, who's injured, who's been on the road or home for a given stretch. So to say a team shouldn't have x number of allstars based on 1 or 2 games in the standings doesn't make sense.

Josh Howard certainly has outplayed Dirk in every game I've seen.
Parker hasn't measured up so far this year, his missed free throws have lost a couple of games for the Spurs...

Last edited by nba is the worst on January 25th at 1:25 AM.

Mr_Interception
Jan 25, 2008
3:22 AM
hey everbody its a stupid all star game who cares it means nothing !

GOBOLA
Jan 25, 2008
4:20 AM
it's clear that the allstar game select the most popular and no the one than better deserve.
ex.Kaman

Pete_Jek
Jan 25, 2008
4:45 AM
I'll have to agree with Kahn about Brandon Roy's inclusion in the All Star game. He's clearly the best player on arguably the most-improved team in the Western Conference. He certainly deserves a spot in the roster. I'd then rank Baron Davis ahead of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. It's unfortunate that Chris Kaman is getting little mention from analysts, but he deserves to at least be considered for a roster spot. I'd rank him ahead of Tyson Chandler. Marcus Camby--I think--is an excellent shot-blocker and rebounding machine, so he should get a spot too.
In the Eastern Conference, I like the Joe Johnson selection. He's a balanced player who on most nights carries a bulk of the scoring load for the resurgent Hawks. Because of that, he should get a roster spot. Shaquille O'Neal on the other hand SHOULD NOT BE INVITED to participate. He's been plagued with injuries this season, has been in constant foul trouble, and has for-the-most-part largely underperformed this season. And instead of including Zydrunas Ilgauskas, I'd put Rasheed Wallace at the reserve 5 spot. The wild-card spots would be given to Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. I'd have no problem with Antawn Jamison or Richard Jefferson in there either.

kreillen
Jan 25, 2008
4:58 AM
kevin martin was hurt melo is a dirtbag A.I. is okay tmac shoudn't be allowed in the game cus he has been hurt b.roy or the matrix should get his spot leave shaq out he is should quit after next year( the sad truth is he is still better than half the bigs in the L )

red knight
Jan 25, 2008
5:39 AM
Jose Calerone should get some consideration for the east. He has been great this year for the Raptors.

red knight
Jan 25, 2008
5:48 AM
Jose Calderone should get consideration this year. He's been great for Toronto, and I've heard some say he's one of the best point guards in the NBA right now.

tolarman12
Jan 25, 2008
5:56 AM
What about Josh Howard?

john1356
Jan 25, 2008
6:14 AM
Give Richard Jefferson of the Nets some love. Before VC came to the nets and befrore his injury, he was a lock for the allstar. His having another strong outing. The nets should trade Kidd and VC and buid around RJ. He can shoot, he can pass, and he deliver at the line. Plus his Basketballl IQ is great and there is NO off-court issues.

stuartscottisagenius
Jan 25, 2008
6:23 AM
Yes Chris Kaman has improved alot but he still isn't that good. The only reason why his stats look good is because of the team he is on. There is no one else on there to take PPG or rebounds away from him. As to the All-Star gme not meaning anything then why does everyone watch it? What about all the community services the players do while there? And it is an honor to any player that gets a chance to play there. I suggest you watch the All-Star game this year.

riko540
Jan 25, 2008
6:27 AM
Big Al over Chandler, how Al ot even mentioned?

THEROCK67
Jan 25, 2008
6:33 AM
What a joke. Jose Calderone is the best point guard in the NBA this year and he's not even close to being metioned by anyone. He will finish the year with some of the best stats OF ALL TIME (you catch that people, ALL TIME) as a starting point guard yet he's not even mentioned by anyone discussing the All Star game. Don't believe me, check his stats as a starter since TJ Ford went down a couple months ago. Best Assist to Turnover ratio EVER for a point guard. Now look at his assists per game, points per game. Now tell me he's not an all star. Now look at the highlights of the Raptors beating the Celtics the other night. The guy is incredible.

bassda1
Jan 25, 2008
7:08 AM
as much as i like Camby and chandler i think Kaman should get that second spot. this guy is having a career year. since his team is losing it makes it easy to keep him out of it but Kaman has been very impressive this year and i think he should at least get a reserve spot.

Chris Paul and Steve Nash. one or the other. i really dont care but i think A.I was more deserving then both of them. putting both of them in wouldnt make since to me. i rather see Baron davis. i really think Brandon Roy should get a spot before any other guard off the bench.(he deserves it)

kellyscott
Jan 25, 2008
7:09 AM
no serprise to me just like in any vote with many notice a regular name and vote for him or familar name.....

frog2lite
Jan 25, 2008
7:17 AM
No surprise... Jose Calderon getting no love from the American Media. Jose definitely deserves to be an All Star this year.

YaBoyCochise
Jan 25, 2008
12:12 PM
Couldn't agree anymore. No disrespect to Manu, Parker etc... but Tyson Chandler is becoming a monster and B.Roy pretty much has demanded that people notice who he is. The only name I have trouble with leaving off is Baron Davis, he is a true superstar on a team that has become fan favorites, he should be there so yes I am torn between the three. Last, if McGarady would've played the All-Star game his legacy would have taken a huge blow. This man can't stay healthy for a season, he should've been left off the ballot, honestly.

Twins08
Jan 26, 2008
9:39 AM
what about Al Jefferson? why isn't he in the running for a wild card all-star. I Wade is starting for the terible east then Jefferson should sit bench at least in the west. He is one of 2 players in teh league to average 20 and 12. even if teh wolves are terible Jefferson is One of the top 3 young big men in the entire leage and has been more than impressive this year. Look at how he has tore up Amare everytime they have faced each other. Seems like a easy choice to me.

underthehill
Jan 27, 2008
6:30 AM
Great Article-I would like to see David West, Tyson Chandler play with Chris Paul especially in New Orleans!!!

Hman81
Jan 30, 2008
2:44 PM
I am just laughing out loud because someone on this post (THEROCK67) talking about Calderone being the best point guard and with some of the best stats of all time. Now that's comedy. Assist to turnover does not determine the greatness or the impact of a player! He's a good shooter and takes care of the ball but to say he's even a good point guard in the east is giving a lot more credit.

I remember the days when Magic Johnson was put these great stats: 22pt, 11ast, 8 reb, 2 steals, 90%Ft, 50fg%. Jose Calderone cannot compare to the top ten PG today let along of all time.

Jason Kidd
Baron Davis
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Allen Iverson
Dwayne Wade (He's listed at 2 but handles the ball 80% time which defines PG)
Andre Miller (yes check out his stats)
Brandon Roy (playing PG now - handles about 70%)
Mo Williams (Surprises everyone but his numbers are solid)

There are 10 PG who are much better than Calderone. Oh if you do a comparison of Pt,Rb, Asst on NBA.com among guards and Jose is at number #31. That's pretty mediocre to me. I like Calderone's clutch shooting and his passing this year but I cannot even think of him as All Star 12pt, 8asst, 3Reb just doesn't get anyone excited. That's just middle of the pack. Try Posting 20 pts, 10 asst That's the great stats of a point guards. In fact only 5 players in league history have been able to do that back to back (Magic Johnson, Kevin Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, and Oscar Robertson) When Jose gets there (which I don't think there's a chance in hell he will) then you can talk to

krey68
Jan 31, 2008
1:12 PM
Brandon Roy is a an up and coming star, but he will get his chance to be in future all-star games. Baron Davis has ressurected his career and is playing at an All-Star level. He is the leader of the Golden State Warriors, and the main reason why they are as good as they are.

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