Now before you jump all over me let me state I am a Buckeye fan but looking at the Tressel era since the National Championship team of 2002 what has he done?
Two embarrassing Championship Games !
You can say he got them into those games and I'll agree with the game against Florida but last season was a fluke and then when they get to the games the team looks unprepaired.
The Buckeyes got to the big game and as displayed they didn't deserve to be there by getting beat down by Florida and LSU.
And remember the team that Tressel took into the 2002 National Championship was with John Coopers recruits with the exception of Clarrett and we all know how he turned out.
I know that Tressel has a great resume and has done wonderfull things in the way of recruiting but he dosn't seem to be able to win the " Big Games" you know the ones that your teams reputation is based on.
Or should the Finger be pointed somewhere else?
Defensive coordinator Offensive coordinator..Who?
Who is to blame for the lackluster performances the Buckeyes have shown lately in the "Big Games" ?Who is responsible for the way the team is playing ?
The Head Coach is so I ask again Is Tressel the right Man for Ohio State?
John Cooper got fired from Ohio State for his inability of beating Michigan what about inability's to win the " Big Games"?
JW,
I said something similar to this on lisas' blog days before the game. Tressel has a habit of not being a "big game" coach. I know some SEC fans spout superiority and that is baseless but one thing that is right is our belief that the Big ten is nothing more than OSU.
Now for the first time in a long time they are tested early in a season. Props the the sked makers for putting this game together. If somehow by some miracle and a few losses by other teams they make it to the BCS NC game they'll be more prepared.
Do not weep and fell suicidel my friend there are plenty of games to be played and who knows what might happen.
Jokerswild
Tressel's the man for the job but what's abundantly clear with anyone who has's any knowledge of the college game. Is that when it comes to recruiting. They don't recruit athletes but just merely ordinary kids who state they can play the game.
How slow was their secondary against the Trojans ? I've seen geriatrics with far more speed than what was being attributed to this team. And if Buckeye fans are looking for some semblance of truth that's where they ought to be looking first.
And not year in year out making excuses as to the team's woes. You're just not good enough when it really matters. And if wasn't for the largesse of the id*iots of the BCS committee , we wouldn't be seeing them always being given a free pass to the national title game.
Don't worry it will take more than a loss by the Buckeyes to make me take my life..lol and I'm not hateing on Tressel I just wonder if he;s right for OSU I have a-lot of respect for the man but he just dosn't seem to have his troops ready for the Big Games in a press conference today on local TV he was quoted as saying well we are going to have to practice harder and try to get better WTF they should have been doing that all a long..I don't get it.
Thanks for the visit and stay safe down there in Hurricane alley.
I think some of the recruits we have would be stars on other teams it's in the coaching I'm convinced and their secondary looked slow or USC was just that good .
Don't listen to JustanotherFAN, he's an outsider lol
I wrote the other day somewhere on this computer, in fact two or three different places, thatI thinl the offensive coordinater has to go. There is no imagination to our game plans. Malaluga said it best, " They played exactly like the films of the first two games, exactly". There was no change except Tressel moving in and out Pryor and Boeckman in the first quarter.
There is just no nasty to them, no killer instinct. Damned, those Mormons are playing better than the sinners. (BYU ) No I won't change it Ed).
Man, I hate that picture JKW. Please find another. I'm gonna come back here today as you are the most popular guy here, and I want to see everyones comments.
If it is the Offensive cord. then it still falls on the shoulders of Tressel he is responsible for every aspect of the Buckeye team he has to get onto his O cord. and let him know that the Buckeyes offense is as predictable as an upcomming holiday I'm sure Pryor will open new avenues for the playbook but even his QB sneaks looked predictable somethings wrong with their program and it needs fixed soon..
JW,
Don't worry because USC isn't all that either. I expected them to beat you guys even worse than that. However you are right in saying the Buckeyes offensive scheme is predictable.
Did you hear what's his face try to start a conference war by saying something like...If any team from the SEC thinks they can handle USC, blah, blah, blah! I liked to fell off the couch when that was said. News Flash Florida is a better team and USC isn't the world beaters the media would have you think.
In fact they'll flop somewhere along the way just like they always do!
Last edited by gambitxxx on September 14th at 7:59 AM.
Now before you jump all over me let me state I am a Buckeye fan but looking at the Tressel era since the National Championship team of 2002 what has he done?"
Sorry, JOKER, you didn't say the last part fast enough.
WHAT THE FACK? It ain't his fault if his players couldn't get #### done. Pryor played dead, Boeckman was non-existent. There was nothing he could do.
I suppose you'd like Mark Dantonio, huh? I bet you would like him in a few months after the Spartans give ya the beatdown of the ages!
It's gonna happen. Damn, listen to me, I sound like a Cubs fan. SHAME!!! (to me sounding like a Cubs fan, not to you feeling sorry about the Buckeyes)
Penn State (3-0)
Minnesota (3-0)
Iowa (3-0)
Wisconsin (3-0)
Northwestern (3-0) WTF is up w/ NW?
Indiana (2-0)
Ilinois (2-1)
Michigan State (2-1)
Ohio State (2-1)
Purdue (1-1)
Michigan (1-2)
Hmm... Should finish rather the same way also, only we'll (MSU) be further up than that. GO GREEN!!!
Joker........Less we forget, these are amateur athelets, these aren't the highly paid professionals that are expected to play a perfect game.
This game changed direction on two, back to back, bonehead penalties. Just like the Florida game changed when Teddy Ginn went down. Should we expect kids to adjust to demoralizing factors just like the players who are paid millions to do so? Or should we respect the fact that these kids are still learning to play the game at an entirely new level? Thats where Pryor enters the picture, thats is what Beanie is, a go-to-guy that inspires an entire team by keeping their chins up no matter how bad it gets.
I pondered the reality of another humiliating loss after Boeckman began the turttle tucking, 2-3 seconds before contact, I know that if I spotted it so did the rest of the Buckeyes.
My answer to your question, replace the focal point of the inept offense, put Boeckman on the bench and give Pryor the reins of the team. That offense has no big play threats other than Beanie and Pryor.
Look at the Bucks of years past, Krenzel was steady, Maurice and Jenkins got the attention and that allowed Krenzel time to make good decisions.
Troy was dynamic, but it should be noted that Holmes, Gonzo and Ginn were always helping distract defenses.
Tressel just needs to add another dimension to the offense, Pryor does that and throwing the coach under the bus, well I'll reserve the notion, wait and see how many snaps Pryor gets in Wisconsin.
The same head coach has taken them to THREE NC title games in the last 7 years. Who are you going to get that could do better?
Nebraska went through the same thing 15-20 years ago. They kept getting blown out in big/bowl games. They didn't fire the coach. They went out and started recruiting speed.
Don't worry, if you guys run the table now, you'll still be in the BCS game somehow...LOL
I don't know by judging from last nights game USC is a damn tough team and anyone who playes them is going to have their hands full are they beatable of course ant team on any givin saturday can fall but I could see them in the National Championship game.
Mike-
The Buckeyes are going to crush your Spartans the odds of The Buckeyes loseing to two teams that represent Trojan soldiers are out of this world it aint gonna happen pal..LMAO
While the Big-10 looks crazy so far I have Wisky winning the conference. Although Penn. St. might be a tough team...well atleast tougher than the Buckeyes!
Last edited by gambitxxx on September 14th at 8:08 AM.
JW,
Not saying USC isn't good and will not be in the NC game as that remains to be seen. However they aren't what the media would have you think they are and if you let them tell it they are the beggining and end of all of CFB!
I agree it's the players but who is responsible for getting into their faces and getting them to rise to the occasion ? The Head Coach now I relize they are " Just Kids" but they are getting a free ride at one of the most prestigiuos schools in the country yeah I expect them to do their job thats what they were recruited to do. otherwise give the scholorship to someone else..
thanks for the visit and comments
Hanahan-
Hey how you been?
I don't see the Buckeyes of this season running the table the sofa or any household item they arn't that good and it showed when they played the Ohio Bobcats and last night..
Hanahan is right Joker. My Huskers went through bigger growing pains than your Bucks right now. Believe me, I know how much it hurts. My beloved Huskers lost 7 straight bowl games in very similar fashion as to what your Bucks are experiencing right now. We were the joke of College Football. We could beat a bunch of plodding Big 8 teams but could never step up to the athletic teams from Florida. There was serious talk of firing Tom Osborne after the 1992 season.
Be patient. Tressel is the right guy, and he will get it figured out. Keep in mind you now have Terrelle Pryor. It took a guy by the name of Tommie Frazier to turn the Huskers around. Pryor could be that guy for your Buckeyes, and he definitely looks like the real deal.
USC just has far superior talent right now. No amount of coaching is going to change that.
I hate to simplify college football with one example BUT, look at the talent. I dont dont think anyone has gotten better offensive talent over the last decade and a half than USC, not even close. If you think youd be better off with Pete Carrol, let me remind you of how good a coach he was with the JETS, allthough Carrol has the edge in recruiting, like Hanahan said, look what Tressel has done with one arm tied behind his back. # title games? Keep him..
And your making my guarantee post look better and better with every avitar change LOL
Last edited by blue@orange on September 14th at 8:17 AM.
Don't let other Big Ten fans get you down. They would have lost by an even wider margin. USC is really this good and perhaps has been drastically underrated until this point.
The problem is just like other conferences have been saying for years, the Big Ten just isn't that good.
We used to sign off that if OSU ran the table against the Big 10 and some hapless out of conference teams, they haven't proved themselves but should get a shot predicated upon NCAA football's flawed Bowl system.
After they lost to Illinois, we were infuriated they still got to go even though they weren't undefeated and were yet to play anybody. This is a wake up call that the rest of the nation has been waiting for.
Most of the elite talent flocks to the immensely talented and intense SEC or they opt for fun social lives, warm weather, beautiful people, well you get what I'm getting at, and go to places like USC and still get the national exposure and great tradition. (Though they rarely get desperate enough to go to that other L.A. school for this sport).
These days, the Big Ten, Big East, and perhaps even the Big 12 are left fighting for the scraps, though I wouldn't lump Oklahoma or Texas into that. Especially with Austin's social scene.
Blue and Orange, the pro game is compeltely different than college. Some guys are made for the Pros, some are college coaches at heart. Just look at the Old Ball Coach.
Pete Carroll is definitely a college coach at heart and could not be a better place. And it is so much more than his recruiting ability. He's the one who made the necessary adjustments and got his team to do not only what it needed to do to win, but to blow out the other guy.
Tressel looked like a substitute teacher who didn't know what to do after the gameplan left by the head master didn't work.
I remember what Nebraska went through I'm just saying the Buckeyes seem to be running in slow motion I wish they would have hired Bo Poliini as their defensive cord. J.Heycock continues to fail in his play calling for the Buckeyes.
And in this city I live in The Buckeyes are expected to be great and the fans will not settle for faliure I have seen a-lot of coaches come and go because of the outcry from the fans it's sad but true.
I see Tressel on the hot seat if the Buckeyes continue loseing mark my words..
hey joker ,but always support the big ten champion.
the facts are pete did such a great image job at so.cal he just keeps loading up year in and year out.its tough to recruit against him.
at this level most of these kids are thinkin. pro ,bling and hot chicks... they california dreamin' recruitment edge SC
further more i think this coach (Tressel)appears to be uptight and sort of a square ...which ain't hip for kid's in the 21st century. the golf sweater is okay ,butthe tie and starch shirt ain;t
the big ten has been a real winning prop in vegas looks like wisky finally will reign supreme (madison a great place to live and play)
do not give up on ohio state they have been at the top of the heap for about a century .
going against handicappin' rule...stay off your homer team... well hell joker with archie's kid at half mast let's bleed a little purple ...viks win *****viks win*****
I'm not saying he's a bad coach or even a bad recruiter he just can't get it together in the big games I don't know why it's becoming embarrassing to keep defendeing him when I don't have a leg to stand on.
Gbrent-
I wouldn't say the Big Ten is Bad I see Penn State making some seriuos noise this season and maybe go all the way JO Pa has his boys playing some inspired football maybe it's his last go around? and they are rising to the occasion but they look damn tuff and Wisconsin might be a sleeper as well but as far as the Buckeyes I honestly don't know whats wrong with them I didn't expect them to beat USC But I thought it would be a closer game and I see them (OSU) loesing at least two more games this season.
Go Vikings I wish they would bench T.Jackson and start Guss Ferott I think he gives them a better chance to win I remember when he was the QB who was involved in the biggest comeback in NFL history when the Bill played Houston.
And The Buckeyes might not be the elite team people think they are I think this team will get exposed several more times this season.
I am going to put the blame on the players. There was only one player on the sideline that was fired up. Who was that? Terrelle Pryor. You know why? He is the only one that doesn't have the mental block of not being able to beat the big teams.
OSU fell apart as soon as the touchdown was called back. I can speculate what the huddle was like after that. Boeckman "Oh #### I got so lucky on that pass I can't do that again." The rest of the Offense says "Yeah, we are ####ked. Let's hope we can get a field goal." Field Goal misses and OSU's offense just gave up.
In the same exact situation next year I can see Pryor saying in the huddle "No problem guys, I can still get us in the endzone. We are going to be fine guys." The offense responds with "Hell yeah, we can do this we got Pryor." They fire it up and 2 plays later TD.
As far as the defense goes it wasn't as bad as people are saying. 1 INT returned for a TD, another fumble recovered at what like the 30 yard line and another Boeckman lame duck recovered in OSU territory. Give just about any offense the ball on the 30 or 40 yard line and they will have the confidence to score. OSU's offense beat OSU's own defense. Not saying OSU was going to win but they could have kept it close.
If I was Tressel I would write the year off and start Pryor for the rest of the season. OSU is good enough to get to a bowl game but not the NCG.
Also as a Buckeye I personally don't feel we deserve to go to the NCG even if we win out.
Alot of people are saying the score could have been worse if OSU didn't intercept Sanchez in the endzone. Well, no #### dumb ####. You want to play that game it could have been closer if our TD wasn't called back and if Hackalugie didn't return an INT for a TD and we didn't have any turnovers it could have been OSU 10 USC 14. So don't play those it could have been worse BS cards.
Ok you say the players and to some degree I agree but who is responsible for the players? and T.Pryor is going to be good but if the Buckeyes keep getting blown away in the big games Tressel is going to be hard pressed in getting recruites to sign with him he has got to start winning those games and if they don't who do you blame ask some formor OSU coaches they know the answer.
Tressel is a great guy a great recruiter and as politically correct as they come but great coach? his faults are starting to become apparent and play calling by the Buckeyes are becoming predictable who is responsible for this? ask any USC fan or SEC fan they will tell you in a heartbeat.
Now I don't expect the Buckeyes to go undefeated every year but when you have so many returning starters and such high expectations you would expect better performances from them.
I think OSU fans are torn. He was their man for so long, but what has become obvious is that OSU, and very possibly the conference, need to get with the program.
Why wasn't Pryor getting more snaps? He ran ten yards up the middle only to have Boeckman back in the game and throw a pick?
I don't think the problem is with recruiting, I mean they landed the wunderkid. But if Tressel underachieves with him, he could be gone before Pryor graduates.
And I think there's plenty a Buckeye fan that would be okay with that.
Joker- No matter how much you coach you can't get through someone's head that they can win the big one if they don't believe it.
For example- When I was in little league there was one team we couldn't beat for some reason. No matter how bad they were. It was a mental block. I remember kids on my team being like "Oh no we got to play Wilson's Clothing." I was like "Yeah so, this is the time we beat them they haven't won a game this year and we are undefeated." Sure as #### we would lose and not just by a little but get blown out.
What OSU needs is someone with a short memory and a #### ton of confidence. Beanie is that guy but he was out and cheering from the sidelines isn't the same. Pryor WILL be that guy.
Don't get me wrong we would have lost that game either way though.
Thanks for the visit and your right about Tressel if he underachieves with Pryor at the helm I have lived in Columbus for over 25 yrs and I have seen them come and seen them go the expectations for this team is unreal and sometimes just downright unfair and It dosn't matter if Tressel is the best caoch or not is always about what have you done for me lately when it comes to the Buckeyes in this city and lately they haven't been getting it done.
Is this the Coachs fault ? well when your in the limelight in this city and the coach you better start fixing the problems assc. with this team otherwise people will start calling for your head its sad but true this city will not keep excepting faliure and excuses.
You said you are a Buckeye do you mean fan or former player? and you know how this city is they expect greatness year after year the whole city is consumed with the Buckeyes is it unfair to expect excellence every year ? Maybe but that is just the way it is around here and if they feel you can't get it done they will go find someone who they feel can weather it's the players fault or not.
Tressel is a class guy and I hope he can turn things around I would hate to see when it starts getting ugly as it did with John Cooper.
Last edited by JOKERSWILD on September 14th at 9:43 AM.
Joker- Just a fan. Was born and raised in Ohio. But I do know how it is there and the expectations. Like I said though I believe it is a mental block for most of the players. I don't think they can see themselves winning the big one so they don't. Also though it could be a mental block for the coaches.
We do need to start running the offense much different. Probably need a different O-coord.
If we do decide to get a different coach I hope it's Pat Hill from Fresno State. He could bring in that attitude of anytime/anywhere that the 2002 team had. What OSU is missing is the swagger that they used to have when going into big games.
The funny thing is OSU will probably run the table because there is no mental block about beating the teams that are left on the schedule. No mental block because they have already done it. But if we get to the NCG(please dear God no)look for us to get blown out by whoever is there. If we go to a smaller bowl we should be fine because we will play an unfamiliar team or a team we have beaten before.
What ever do you mean? The Steelers are in first and so are the Mets .What could you possibly be talking about? ............ .............. Oh ? That Wolverine thing! .... Im a man of my guarantees, i'll stick with my pick over Ohio St. By the end of the season, maybe they will have figured out that spread offense?
Don't forget that most impartial observers feel the '02 championship was tainted by the pass interference call. I know you homers think it was the correct call but I don't see how you can say that.
B@O-
sooo how do you like the new avatar? and the Wolverines are going down in the Shoe.
Worst-
There was no pass interference just a mugging before the ball got there if you watch the replay you can see the Miami player giving Gamble back his wallet..lol
Last edited by JOKERSWILD on September 14th at 10:53 AM.
I am a football fan first and foremost I will root for any team as long as their not playing the Buckeyes and am also a Nascar fan and root for Dale Jr. and Tony Stewart I like humor and jokes and stay away from politics and religion I have a black belt in crowbar and baseball bat .
..JW
