For Barry Bonds, being able to tie Hank Aaron's NL home run record in the same city where Aaron started and ended his career was special. Bonds' only regret was that he hit his 733rd homer Friday night at Miller Park and not Milwaukee County Stadium, where Aaron connected many times during his 22-year career. "It would have been kind of cool in the old ballpark because it is where he actually played his games," Bonds said. "Nevertheless, it is still in Milwaukee and it is still great.
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THIS JERK WOULD BE ABOUT 200 WARNING TRACK CAUGHT "HOMERUNS" BEHIND AARON, IF HE DIDN'T VISIT THE DRUG STORE SO OFTEN, AS HE ENTERED HIS LEAST PRODUCTIVE YEARS -- HIS OLDER YEARS.
EVEN WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE, I CAN'T CLAIM ANY GREAT INTELLECTUAL GIFTS, BUT I DID STAY AWAKE IN MY HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY CLASS, LONG ENOUGH TO LEARN THAT AS YOU GET OLDER, YOU GET WEAKER. UNLESS, YOU TAKE A LOT OF FLAX-SEED OIL.
THIS GUY HAS NO CONSCIENCE, TO SIT THERE, STEAL A RECORD AND PRETEND IT WAS "COOL."
* I LOOKED UP THE WORD CONSCIENCE IN THE DICTIONARY - A FEELING WHICH TELLS YOU IF YOU HAVE DONE RIGHT OR WRONG.
ONE MORE THING -- WHY DOES ESPN ACT LIKE THIS GUY IS THE SECOND COMING - THEY DEMEAN THEMSELVES BY GETTING IN BED WITH THIS GUY AND ACTING LIKE THERE IS SOME JOY IN SEEING A CHEATER SUCCESSFULLY CHEAT THE GAME.
IS THERE A FATHER IN AMERICA WHO WOULD WANT HIS SON TO GROW UP TO BE LIKE BARRY BONDS ?
I HAD NO INTENTION OF OFFENDING THE KEYBOARD
ETIQUETTE POLICE.
I AM NOT A GOOD TYPIST AND IT IS EASIER AND FASTER FOR ME TO JUST STICK TO ONE CASE AND UPPER CASE IS EASIER ON MY EYES.
NOW, THE TITANIC IS SINKING, MAYBE YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING MORE CONSTRUCTIVE TO DO, THAN
SUGGEST THE COLOR OF THE DRAPES IN THE DINING ROOM ARE NOT TO YOUR FANCY.
YOU USE THE TERM - "US" -- I DON'T FEEL TOO THREATENED IF THOSE WHO FAIL TO MEASURE CONTENT OVER APPEARANCE, DECLINE TO READ MY MISSIVES.
I AM SEEKING AN INTELLIGENT AND INSIGHTFUL AUDIENCE -
YOUR FOCUS ON THE SIZE OF THE FONT USED, DOES NOT ENCOURAGE ME, THAT YOU ARE A PART OF MY DESIRED DEMOGRAPHIC.
GAFF~ KEEP UP THE CAPS IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPY, BUT CHANGING THE FONT COULD MAKE IT EASIER ON THE OLD EYES. That being said, I agree with you. As a Cubs fan, Sammy Sosa also sickens me with the attitude, the corked bat, and the 70lbs of muscle he adopted.
It does not make me sick that Barry Bonds used performance enhancing drugs that were not illegal in baseball nor in the United States at the time.
Does it make you sick that Hank Aaron got his 755 in the age of widespread amphetamine usage? If you're indicting Bonds the way you are, you've got to indict Aaron.
Gaff Off course it makes most people sick. But you can either do one of the two ....hate the player or hate the game. Me, well I hate the game as the custodians of the sport of baseball and some players turned a blind eye to rampant abuse of steroids thatwas going on and did nothing about. Now all of a sudden everyone is crying ..."woe is me ". It's like a voice in the wilderness not everyone's going to hear it. But those who do, actually do something about it. We may not like Canseco and feel that he had an alterior motive for writing his book but he has clearly shed a light on something was deeply entrenched in the sport and probably still is even light of Selig's steroid policy.
From the hierarchy on down to the players nothing was being done and now that we've got a young player like Howard excelling at the plate there's bound to be a hint of su####ion that he's not done it legitimately.
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no, it doesnt make me sick. its baseball. a kids game blown to titanic proportions. a meaninglessly trivial distraction from my life. i dont care if they all use steroids. we're not sports fans, we're idolaters.
Re: UM's comment. "If you're indicting Bonds, . . . you've got to indict Aaron." Okay, now that we've established that no sporting event since roughly 1965 has been legit, we can all go home now. Damn, too bad. I always liked that Nolan Ryan fella. Wait, if we indict Aaron, I guess we would have to indict Ryan, too. So that would make the playing field level again, right? Now I'm confused.
PHOENIX -
MARK AND SAMMY HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO GET OUT OF DODGE - BARRY IS THE GREEDY KID, WHO CAN'T GET HIS HAND OUT OF THE JAR, EVEN IF HE GET CAUGHT STEALING THE COOKIE. HE IS STAYING AROUND AS THE POSTER BOY FOR STEROIDS AND THUS, HE DESERVES AND IS GETTING THE HEAT FOR THE ENTIRE ERA.
HE IS A SOCIOPATH AND HE LACKS ANY SENSE OF A WORLD BEYOND HIS OWN VIEW OF HIMSELF.
ULTRAMEGAOK1988 -
I THINK YOU ARE A LITTLE RECKLESS WITH YOUR ALTERNATIVES -->> "YOU HAVE GOT TO"
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"BUT FOR A PLAYER TO GO INTO A LITTLE ROOM AND INJECT DRUGS TO CHEAT OTHER PLAYERS"
Aaron, like most of the other players from the '60's until 2003, went into a little room and took amphetamines to cheat other players.
"HE IS A SOCIOPATH AND HE LACKS ANY SENSE OF A WORLD BEYOND HIS OWN VIEW OF HIMSELF."
And you know this based on what? What you've seen and heard through the media. You've never even made eye contact with the man, don't go off spouting like you write his biographies.
"MARK AND SAMMY HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO GET OUT OF DODGE"
No, they were just at the tail-end of their careers.
Ultra, wake up. You are criticizing GAFF for the exact same thing you are doing. You make a statement about Aaron-based on what? There are other examples, but if I need to explain myself further, it's not worth my time.
RICKO -
YOU HAVE PUNCHED A HOLE IN THE DEFENSE USED BY THE BONDS APOLOGISTS --
THEY SAY THAT OTHERS DID WRONG TOO - THAT IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO GO --
TELL THE STATE TROOPER THAT YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE SPEEDING AND SEE IF THAT MAKES HIM THINK TWICE ABOUT GIVING YOU THE TICKET.
A LOT OF PEOPLE FOLLOW A CRIMINAL LIFESTYLE, BUT AL CAPONE AND DILLINGER BECAME THE POSTR BOYS -- BONDS IS THE POSTER BOY NOW -- HE WANTED THE JOB AND HE GOT IT -- THE HEAT COMES WITH THE POSITION - A POSITION HE VOLUNTEERED FOR -
STEROID KING OF BASEBALL.
TOPHATAL -
I WROTE YOU AND THE COMMENTS DISSAPEARED - WHAT IS THE WORD LIMIT WITH COMMENTS?
BONDS IS A WILLING VICTIM OF THE OWNERS - HE WAS ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED BY THE HIERARCHY TO
PERFORM FOR THE ORGANIZATION. YOU ARE RIGHT TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE -- BASEBALL IS A BUSINESS AND ALLOWING THESE PLAYERS TO RUIN THEIR HEALTH FOR THE SAKE OF ATTRACTING BIG CROWDS TO THE PARKS, WAS MADE AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN ANY SINGLE PLAYER.
MY PROBLEM WITH BONDS IS THAT HE IS TOO WILLING A PAWN -- HE IS THE SLAVE WHO WORRIES ABOUT MASTERS BUSINESS, MORE THAN MASTER DOES.
HE DOES NOT SEE OR CARE THAT HE HAS DEMEANED HIMSELF IN THE SERVICE OF THE OWNERS AND I BLAME HIM FOR BEING BLIND TO WHAT HE HAS BECOME - THE DISGRACE OF HIS ERA.
DEMONICUME -
ALL SPORTS ARE SILLY AND FOOLISH - GROWN MEN OR EVEN KIDS, CHASING BALLS IN THE DIRT OR RUNNING IN CIRCLES OR THROWING OBJECTS AT HOOPS OR GOALS - IS NOT OF GREAT INTELLECTUAL VALUE.
BUT THE EFFORT PUT INTO THESE GAMES ESTABLISH A MICROCOSM OF LIFE AND ESPECIALLY LIFE UNDER PRESSURE AND DURESS.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT US BEING IDOLATORS -- BUT SOME ATHLETES ARE MORE WORTHY OF OUR ADMIRATION THAN OTHERS.
IT IS HARD, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT BONDS ON THE SAME PAGE AS A CLEMENTE OR ROBINSON OR MAYS.
NONE ARE WITHOUT FLAWS, BUT EVEN HIS BEST FRIENDS WOULD HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT BONDS HAS PROBLEMS / ISSUES THAT GO BEYOND THE NORM, EVEN FOR SPORTS CELEBRITIES.
ULTRAMEGAOK1988 -
IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE NUMBERS THAT SHOW BONDS IS WONDERFUL - YOU WILL ALWAYS WIN.
IT MIGHT BE MORE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN HOW A HUMAN BEING CAN GET OLDER AND STRONGER.
IF A MAN IN HIS PRIME -HIS MOST PRODUCTIVE YEARS, HITS AN AVERAGE OF 37 HOMERUNS A SEASON AND IN HIS "DECLINING" YEARS, HITS 73 IN ONE SEASON -
THAT WOULD NEED A LITTLE EXPLAINING - A LITTLE MORE EXPLAINING THAN E=MC2.
THIS GUY WAS AN EXCELLENT PLAYER BEFORE THE DRUGS, SO, WHY DID HE SCREW HIMSELF AND HIS HEALTH?
Gaff: Nice post. I happen to agree with you, and am irritated with the sport of baseball at the moment. Hopefully I can get over this.
Detroit: It doesn't matter what font a person uses, considering that there are many bloggers here who use no punctuation whatsoever and yet their writing is still good and holds a person's interest. :-)
Why did thousands of players -- Willie Mays among them -- from the 1960's to 2003 and beyond choose to screw themselves by using amphetamines, steroids, and other performance-enhancing drugs?
To single Bonds out just shows your extreme bias and hatred for the man. He's not the first nor the last person to use steroids.
Remember, steroids weren't illegalized in the United States until the Steroid Control Act of 2004 was passed in January of 2005. And steroids weren't even tested for until 2003 in baseball.
Gaff, It is amazing that in this year when Barry is under the most scrutiny he is still pumping the HR's out of the park. For a man of age 42 to hit this many HR, and all of them clean, isn't that amazing. Hank Aaron as Barry both hit many HR because they are good hitters that were relatively healthy for a long career. Nothing more or less.
socalsportsfan --
YOU SEEM LIKE A REASONABLE MAN.
I TOO HAVE TO ASSUME BONDS IS CLEAN THIS SEASON - IF YOU WANT TO SALUTE HIM, I WILL JOIN YOU, BUT LETS INSPECT THOSE HIGH NUMBERS HE IS USING TO REACH A GOAL HE HAS NOT EARNED -
GIVE HIM THE 25 FOR THIS YEAR - IT IS A GOOD NUMBER FOR A SENIOR CITIZEN, I GRANT YOU THAT.
GIVE HIM THE FULL CREDIT FOR THE 25 -- IT IS REASONABLE THAT A MAN WHO AVERAGED 37 IN HIS PRIME, COULD HIT 25 WHILE OVER THE HILL -
BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD ALSO
DEDUCT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS IN THE 70s AND 60s.
WITHOUT PHARMACEUTICAL ASSISTANCE, THEY MIGHT WELL HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO 25 - 30 AND CERTAINLY, NOT MORE THAN THE 37, A YOUNGER MAN COULD NOT EXCEED AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME.
Your response to Detroitsports was worth the price of admission for me lol!! I find it surreal to see just how devided the Bonds opinions are, I wrote a post long ago and the very same Bonds arguments and then some were made by the same people. It made absolutely no difference that I shared a story about a former friend who got caught up in using growth hormones which I hear are very similar to steroids and everything about him changed from size and strength etc to going from a great guy to an #### and yet they still came with the arguements. I guess beings that they have taken an aspirin or two they feel they are knowledgeable about drug usage. I was a massive McGwire fan and beings that baseball is by far my favorite sport and the fact that I am a sportsfreak (damn Ryder Cup team!) it says alot that my former alltime favorite player in my favorite sport is considered a cheater by me, it is such a basic concept that I lose respect for those who are so vocal about which they know nothing.
Born, a couple of my friends used steroids in high school and their personalities never changed. I also know of several others who went through personality changes as your friend did. It's pretty much a 50/50 thing in my experience.
I'm assuming you're referencing to the increased aggression brought on by steroids, which is a myth. Studies have shown that "those who rage while on cycle had pre-existing mental issues."
"I lose respect for those who are so vocal about which they know nothing."
I assume this is aimed towards me... so, you know everything about steroids and HGH because you had a friend who used HGH? I think we all have friends who have experimented with that stuff, it's pretty widespread.
BORN2PLAYIN69 -
IT WAS A SAD DAY TO HEAR MARK SAY - "I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PAST."
GIAMBI TALKED AND WAS GIVEN A PASS BY MOST PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF.
MARK CUT HIS OWN THROAT IN WASHINGTON, BUT SINCE HE DID NOT LIE, HE COULD STEP UP AND SAY WHAT HAPPENED AND AS SEVERAL SPORTS WRITERS SAID - HE COULD LEAD THE CHARGE AGAINST STEROIDS AND BE A HERO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT -- JUST TO SHOW HE IS NOT THE FRAUD THAT BONDS REPRESENTS, BUT HE MUST SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT TO CLAIM HIS PASS.
Ultra, I was referring to you among others because you have argued this issue countless times and as I have stated before, if there were no great benefit to using then why would they risk it? It was not "illegal" but they knew that if they were caught thier reps would be in jeapordy and yet they did use, why would that be if they did not feel the effects of thier usage?
-Gaff, I actually stayed home from work to watch the hearings and I was sickened by what I saw!
it looks like your putting up a good fight here. i still dont believe that bonds cheated, tho. there are degress of honesty that we can not dissect without trashing all of our 'heroes.' saying 'everyone cheated' isnt much of a defense, but it is just a fact of life. the fact that you gave Giambi a pass says a lot about how you feel about Bonds beyond the steroids things. this seems like you simply dont like him as a person. i may be wrong, but i dont believe any of us knows him enough to pass judgement. were i forced to chose, i hate Giambi and Mac more than bonds.
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GIAMBI TOLD THE TRUTH -- HE STOOD UP LIKE A MAN - HE DIDN'T WANT TO, BUT HE DID.
HE DID NOT INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF US ALL, BY TALKING ABOUT PAYING $100,000 A YEAR FOR FLAX SEED OIL.
I ASSUME YOU THINK GREG ANDERSON IS IN JAIL BECASUE HE DOES NOT WANT TO REVEAL WHERE HE GOT THE FLAX SEED OIL HE SUPPLIED TO BONDS.
HEY, LOOK, BONDS MIGHT BE A SAINT. HE MIGHT BE TOTALLY INNOCENT, HE MIGHT BE THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD MAN IN AMERICA. EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF THE BAY AREA MAY HAVE UNITED IN A GRAND CONSPIRARY AGAINST HIM. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES MAY HAVE JOINED THIS CONSPIRARY. OF ALL THE SPORTS FIGURES IN AMERICA, THIS ONE INNOCENT AND MAYBE NOBLE MAN, SEEMS TO HAVE UNITED ALL THE FORCES OF EVIL AGAINST HIM.
IF THIS IS THE CASE, THEN I AM SORRY I AM ON THE WRONG SIDE CONCERNING THIS ISSUE.
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Steroids allow one to work out longer, which will, in turn, increase one's muscle mass.
It's nothing different than kids today drinking Red Bull in the morning so they can stay awake during their morning classes. Steroids are just a pick-me-up so you don't fall behind.
If steroids were just some magical drug from Tinkerbell that increased one's muscle mass and skill level, then why have most of the people caught using steroids been small, scrawny, below-average players (more than half of which are pitchers, and most of which are Minor Leaguers)?
The only star-studded sluggers that have admitted to or been found guilty of using steroids are Bonds in an illegally-leaked grand jury testimony where the prosecutors presume that "the cream" and "the clear" are an ointment that masks doping and Tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), and Rafael Palmeiro.
Then you have a huge drop-off to Ryan Franklin, Ryan Sanchez, and Jason Grimsley.
By the way, Giambi never directly admitted to using steroids. He apologized with a generality, which is assumed to have been directed towards the Yankees organization for the bad spotlight that had been shined towards the team.
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Gaff .... We'll never be able to put this thing to bed. The only people who can are Bonds and MLB themselves. And we all know both are to embarrassed to admit to their faults.
Therein we're left with another situation where Selig and his paeans just shuffle the papers as he's been told that the IRS are coming in to do an audit of the books. And as we all know that Selig has a tendency to be less than economical with the truth.
i hate to be the one to tell you this, but Giambi lied. he only told the truth after the grand jury information was leaked. had he told the truth in the beginning there would have been no purpose to leaking the information.. just google 'Giambi Steroids'. i dont see why he should get credit for admitting to it after he originally lied about it. a lie is a lie. but i say again, the drugs he used were not illegal until after he stopped taking them. otherwise, they'd be getting him on drug charges. its a matter of public record. congress didnt ban this HGH until after he quit using it. baseball banned steroids. but HGH isnt a steorid. steroids either are or create artificial testosterone. HGH isnt testosterone, anabolic or a steroid. i'm not an apologist, i'm just stating the facts. Giambi lied and told the truth after he got caught in the lie. this may mean something to you, but it doesnt to me. the worse part is that he sucks, bonds is still cranking Homeruns though.
The health effects from excessive steroid use are non-reversible. Sometimes when you read about the Lyle Alzado's of the world, I wonder if *Barry Bonds ever considered his own fate or do you think it is more of a "aaah that would never happen to me" kind of additude.
Or maybe *Barry Bonds is telling the truth and we are all idiots for making up this whole story. Perhaps the *Bonds family has this really strange DNA that causes them to suddenly start growing again after age 30 and results in an increase of hat size.
TOPHATAL -
YOU ARE RIGHT, WE WON'T RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
YET, I AM AMAZED AND VERY HAPPY TO HAVE RAISED THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE IT HAS REASSURED ME OF THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IN AMERICA.
I USE TO TELL MY CLASSES THAT I STARTED SCHOOL AT AGE FIVE AND NEVER WENT A YEAR WIHOUT BEING IN A CLASSROOM FOR THE NEXT 53 YEARS.
UP UNTIL THIS WEEKEND, I HAD NO CLEAR VISION OF WHERE AMERICAN EDUCATION STOOD - BUT NOW I SEE THAT IN THE AREA OF CHEMISTRY, WE HAVE NOTING TO WORRY ABOUT.
I WROTE AS A BASEBALL FAN AND FOUND MYSELF SURROUNDED BY FELLOW WHO COULD POOL THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND FIND A CURE FOR CANCER.
I REALIZED I CAN'T RUN WITH THESE BIG DOGS, THE ONES WHO ARE NOT CHEMIST ARE CONSTITUTIONAL BARRISTERS - LIKE GENERAL LEE, I AM OUT-GUNNED AND FORCED TO RETREAT FROM THE FIELD OF BATTLE -- I AWAIT THE HISTORIANS TO JOIN THE FRAY.
EVILQUACKS 101 -
I STARTED OUT THINKING BONDS WAS A LOW LIFE, ALLOWED BY HIS TEAM ORGANIZATION AND MLB TO REVERSE THE AGING PROCESS AND DEFRAUD THE NATURE OF THE GAME, THRU CHEMICAL ENHANCEMENT ON A MASSIVE SCALE.
I FOUND IT STRANGE THAT THERE ARE A SUBSTANTIAL GROUP Of VERY DECENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS METHOD OF PLAYING THE GAME.
I AM NOW INCLINED TO JOIN YOU IN THE BELIEF THAT THE BONDS DNA IS UNIQUE IN ALL THE WORLD AND
THE TREND OF GETTING OLDER, WEAKER AND DYING, WHICH HAS STOOD A PRETTY LONG PERIOD OF ACCEPTANCE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IS NO LONGER VALID.
ALERT THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE AND COULD I SHARE THIS YEAR'S NOBEL PRIZE WITH YOU?
OF COURSE, ANDERSON AND CONTI WILL WANT IN ON THE DEAL.
Gaff, dont retreat. your points are valid, your voice is needed. the discussion youve created here is valuable in and of itself. you are far too humble, you can most definitely run with the big dogs. i would never have researched the steroids bill or the chemistry of HGH versus steroids without prompting from discussions like this. pitting my idea against yours has increased my knowledge. tho it doesnt solve a thing - as we agree to disagree - i believe that conversions like these improve us all. thanks and congrats on Blog of the Day!
GAFF - I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT with your post. Barry Bonds is a disgrace to baseball and the true fans of fair competition. Although he was not alone in his desire to gain unfair advantages, he is the one that defies all rules of fairness and integrity. Others have paid with their reputation, careers and their lives (Ken Camanitti, Lyle Alzado to name a few).
Don't bother arguing with UltraMega. He believes taht the "Butter vs. Parkay" thing is a conspiricay as well. Just to clearify "Steroids" were not tested in Major League Baseball...that did not mean that they were "LEGAL". Additionally, steroid use in the country is only legal when perscribed by a doctor. Check the facts UM.
Interesting post. I saw Aaron play when I was much younger and Bonds a year ago. Very different players. If you look at Soriano this year you'll see Aaron in his prime. Heavy bat, amazingly quick swing through the strike zone. Not a pure power hitter, just a very quick bat with consistency through his career that nobody else matched.
One thing I haven't heard discussed is that up until 1969 Aaron was hitting against pitchers who were standing on taller mounds. I don't remember if there were limits, but I do recall that the home team could tailor the mound to suit their pitching and it gave them a tremendous advantage in leverage.
I say this not at all to put down Bonds, but if you let Bonds play in Aaron's day he would have had 100 fewer homeruns and Aaron would have about what he did in his career. It is a shame Bonds ever involved himself with anything chemical because standing on his on he is probably the best combination of power hitting and batting eye since Ted Williams. I'm glad I got to see him because he is, even today, an extraordinary hitter.
DEMONICUME -
I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH FACTS - IN A PERFECT WORLD, THE GREAT UNWASHED WOULD REALIZE THAT I HAVE THE WAY - THE PATH - THE TRUTH -THE LIGHT --- WHY THEY FAIL TO SEE THE VIRTUE AND CORRECTNESS OF MY POSITIONS, IS A PUZZLEMENT TO ME AND POSSIBILY TO THE GODS ON HIGH.
IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE OF GREAT ASSISTANCE TO ME, IF YOU WOULD AVOID THE USE OF FACTS IN YOUR COUNTER-ARGUMENTS -- THEY UNFAIRLY ENHANCE YOUR POWER TO PERSUADE.
I THINK IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THAT, I HAVE NOTICED THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND MORALLY DECENT PEOPLE ALWAYS AGREE WITH ME.
FLYING PIG -
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A PLUS OR MINUS TO HAVE A FLYING PIG ON MY SIDE. THEN AGAIN, THIS IS AMERICA, WHY DISCRIMINATE ABOUT A FARM ANIMAL, THAT DOES SO MUCH GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.
I JUST GOT ON DEMONICUME FOR USING FACTS AGAINST MY POSITION - BUT I SALUTE YOU FOR USING FACTS TO SUPPORT MY POSITION.
I LIKE YOUR FACTS.
I HAVE TO AGREE ABOUT THE PARKAY SITUATION, THERE IS NO WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
ON TODAY'S ESPN'S SPORTS REPORTERS, A PANELIST SAID THAT HE LOOKED FORWARD TO THE GIANTS PUTTING A STATUE OF BONDS IN FRONT OF THE STADIUM ---
IT WILL GIVE THE SEAGULLS SOMETHING TO AIM AT.
YOU HARKEN BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN YOU COULD JUST GO TO THE PARK AND WATCH A GAME AND SEE YOUR HEROES - DEMONICUME IS RIGHT, WE ARE IDOLATORS - SPEAK ILL OF #42, WILLIE, MICKEY, SANDY, CAMPY, ET.AL. AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO FIGHT.
NOW YOU NEED A DEGREE IN CHEMISTRY AND TWO YEARS OF LAW SCHOOL AND SOME KNOWLEDGE OF ACCOUNTING AND PSYCHIATRY TO APPRECIATE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE FIELD.
JUST SEEING THE GAME IS LONG GONE, "TEDDY BASEBALL" / MISTER 406 -- WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND WHERE IT ALL WENT WRONG -- I CERTAINLY DON'T.
BUT IT IS NOT ALL WRONG, WE JUST SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON "HIM" AND NOT ENOUGH ON DEREK, RYAN, CHASE, GARY JR., WRIGHT AND THIS WHOLE NEW GENERAION THAT IS MAKING IT POSSIBLE TO WATCH THE GAME WITHOUT A CHEMISTRY TEXTBOOK AT HAND.
Well said. It's funny how the media fixates on a few players and overlooks some. Take Garrett Atkins with the Rockies 27-114-.321 with 109 runs scored. But most of the country has no idea who he is, even if he's had a much better year than Alex Rodriquez at the same position.
Bonds has smaller ballparks, better bats, an arm-guard, worse pitching, less pitchers willing to intimidate with the strict rules of headhunting and ofcourse the juice.
Comparing Greenies (amphetamines) and HGH is absurd.
Let's also put into effect that with all the #### Bonds has put into his body, he can still play at the MLB level thanks to all of that. This might be speculative, but I think Bonds would have retired by now if he was clean.
"Others have paid with their reputation, careers and their lives (Ken Camanitti, Lyle Alzado to name a few)."
Funny, you tell me to check the facts, yet you say that Caminiti and Alzado died of steroids. Check YOUR facts.
Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his final illness. This assertion has been disputed by many medical experts as there is no medical evidence steroids had anything to do with his condition and his own doctors denied the claim that they did. (Link)
On November 1, the New York City Medical Examiners Office announced that Caminiti died from "acute intoxication due to the combined effects of cocaine and opiates." (Link)
FP, don't be the pot that calls the kettle black. I know facts aren't really your thing.
"'Steroids' were not tested in Major League Baseball...that did not mean that they were 'LEGAL'"
Yeah, baseball was going by the honor system. Sounds legal to me, all the athletes had to be were good liars.
"steroid use in the country is only legal when perscribed by a doctor. Check the facts UM."
Once again, YOU need to check YOUR facts. Steroids were made illegal to possess when the Steroid Control Act of 2004 was passed in January 2005. Before that, it was a Schedule III drug, which meant a prospective steroid user only needed a doctor's note.
DUDSKI
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THIS IS THE LEGACY OF BONDS -- HE DEMEANS ALL ASSOCIATED WITH HIM - HE PULLS DOWN ANYONE HE TOUCHES.
I NEVER HEARD OF GARRETT ATKINS -- BUT I WASTE SO MUCH TIME ON BOND, I MISS THE BRIGHT LIGHTS WHO COULD USE THE HYPE.
RYAN AND ALBERT ARE CONSTANTLY QUESTIONED BECAUSE BONDS HAS CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT OF SU####ION ABOUT ALL POWER HITTERS.
I CAN HEAR THE CRIES, WHY ONLY MENTION BONDS? - BECAUSE BONDS IS THE POSTER BOY FOR THIS ERA - WHY ARREST AL CAPONE AND NOT THE SHOPLIFTER AT THE DOLLAR STORE? AL CAPONE FLOUTS HIS CRIMINALITY.
THE CRY, YOU ARE BEING UNFAIR TO BONDS - AND SOMEHOW I WON'T LET THAT KEEP ME UP TOO LATE AT NIGHT.
"BONDS HAS CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT OF SU####ION ABOUT ALL POWER HITTERS."
Bonds has created it? It wasn't, you know, the thousands of other players who have used steroids, only a fraction of which have been caught? It wasn't Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa (McGwire used androstenedione, which was legal at the time), both of whom have never failed a drug test (and neither has Bonds)? It wasn't Rafael Palmeiro who lied right to the public's face, apparently?
To fault Barry Bonds for this entire era is to be shortsighted with an agenda.
THE DAN -
THE STEROIDS HAVE HELPED BONDS DELAY THE NATURAL EFFECTS OF AGING -- SO, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE WOULD NOT BE HERE EXCEPT FOR STEROIDS.
I LOVE HOW FOLKS SAY HE USED THEM, BUT THEY HAVE NO IMPACT ON HIS PERFORMANCE -- THEN WHY DID HE TAKE THEM OR EVEN TAKE THE FAMOUS FLAX SEED OIL.
HEY, I WANT TO MOVE ON WITH MY LITTLE LIFE, IF BONDS IS AN INNOCENT VICTIM OF A NATIONWIDE CONSPIRACY, SIGN ME UP FOR A DONATION TO HIS DEPFEND FUND.
AT THIS POINT I AM WILLING TO VOTE HIM INTO HIGH OFFICE, IF I CAN STOP HEARING ABOUT HIM.
I OPENED THIS CAN OF WORMS, ABOUT A SNAKE AND TALKING ABOUT THIS NEGATIVE GUY, IS WEARING ON ME.
GAFF - interesting post with some great comments. I think you have set the table, in a way, for next season, by bringing up the Bonds/steroid issue again. Earlier this season when he got off to a bad start this blogosphere was all over this issue, pro and con, and I think it will be again. You commented about McGwire and Sosa getting out when the getting was good and that Bonds is sticking around because he is selfish. So he deserves everything he is getting. I think you have to hold Bud Selig, MLB and all individuals accountable, IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND HOLD BONDS ACCOUNTABLE. Until that happens, he is another ball player who may, or may not have, looked for and found a competitive edge. Good post.
what are ya'll talking about? first, to call what barry took "steroids" is absolutely wrong. maybe ya'll should do some research. HGH and Amphetemines are extremely comparable because of what they do. the upppers decrease your rest time allowing you to get back into the weight room. steroids increase muscle mass but do not affect rest time.thats a huge distiction. i used to take ephedra before my PT tests in the army so that i could smoke the run. i would choke down some ephedra and an amp shake. without the amps, i'd have never made the times i made.
to say Bary demeans everyone around him is a poor, poor, baseless judgemen. you dont know him or anyone he comes in contact with. i wont question how you manage dislike someone you dont even know. i will question why you expect him to go all 'Giambi' and bare his soul. how much if your feeling ofr vindication worth? once he admits to taking growth hormone - not steroids like ya'll keep harping about - his career will effectively end. i got an idea: lets get bonds to confess, so you lynchmobbers can put the pitchforks away. then we'll take up a collection for the money he wont be making once they suspend him from baseball. unless one of you can come up with a sound reason he should voluntarily give up millions, this entire argument is pointless. but what fool snitches himself out? doesnt the bill of rights protect us from self-incrimination?
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