In the Huddle
by: Football_101
The Fate of the Big Ten is on September 13th
Mar 05, 2008 | 4:09PM | report this
It's not pretty folks. If you're a Michigan, Ohio State or Illinois fan, your behind has got to be raw from getting smacked around by faster, speedier schools. Last year was a wake-up call when Florida whupped Ohio State. This year's beating by LSU should have been a fifteen yard penalty; unsportsmanlike conduct for taunting another team.

Ohio State has been exposed, and it doesn't look like it's going to get better this season. Oh sure, the pollsters have the Bucks already in their preseason top five. Why? Their schedule, except for one game, dictates another glide path to the BCS game.

Youngstown State, Ohio, at USC, Troy, Minnesota, at Wisconsin, Purdue, at Michigan State, Penn State, at Northwestern, at Illinois, Michigan. That's a ten, maybe eleven win season, considering Michigan is without a quarterback that can run Rich-rod's WCO, and Penn State has no quarterback worth even mentioning. So far. Sorry Pat Devlin. Illinois could beat them again, if the planets all align in the universe, but that drubbing they got at USC may cause some serious character assessment.

But, first things first...Youngstown State, again? Yeah, I know, it was a favor for Tressel's old school. Excuses, excuses. This is pathetic scheduling and an embarrassment for Buckeye fans.

Since 1978, only five schools have never scheduled a non-division 1A, now known as FCS, school; Washington, UCLA, USC, Michigan State and yes, Notre Dame. Shouldn't this be an automatic rule when you play with the big boys? Play big boys? Now I hear a lot about the perceived weaknesses of the Pac-10 and Notre Dame, but can you really make that argument when 10 of 11 Big Ten teams play, or have played, lower division schools?

This wouldn't be such a big deal if these teams that do schedule lower division schools thumped them, but Appalachian State put that argument to rest. It is now, officially, a big deal. But Ohio State has now turned the tables on themselves by scheduling these laughable games. If they beat everyone this season, (not counting USC, let's get real here), will anyone give them props and rank them in the top five? They have proven two years in a row that an easy walk-through of regular season football is no longer indicative of how good they are. Their schedule this year is much more difficult, but only due to the addition of USC, and once they get hammered by the Trojans, no one will take them seriously. They committed suicide by schedule.

Michigan started this whole mess losing to the Mountaineers, but beat a very young Florida team in their New Year's Day bowl to make somewhat of a whimper. But that's it. The only team that beat Ohio State, Illinois, got the privilege of playing USC in the Rose Bowl and got soundly thrashed and embarrassed, 49-17.



As of now, the Big Ten isn't being taken very seriously, and that's a shame. Three of its big-hitters, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, are reeling from gorgeous-looking conference records or expectations, but ugly overall results when you compare them to the dominating years before 1980. While Wisconsin and Purdue may make some noise this year (as usual), their schedules' SOS or BCS rules will derail them from being a third-wheel in the BCS system.

When is the Big Ten going to realize, that failing to sign faster players (and not just fast for the Big Ten, but bada$$ fast, period) and continuing to beat each up in their own conference, is no longer impressing anyone? When will they start realizing that everyone has their number? The dinosaur is dead, yet the Big Ten continually tries to feed it to make the old-school fans happy. You may say "three yards and a cloud of dust" is history, but when you play the elite schools, it gets awfully dusty out there from the same-old results.

Sure you're running more plays to get the tailbacks and tight ends involved in the passing attack, but when the rest of your team doesn't have the proper personnel to run the WCO efficiently, what's the freaking point? The quarterback is going to be sacked or the tailback is going to get tackled. Quickly. Florida, LSU and USC have already proven that point, time and time again, against the Big Ten.



Bottom line is this; the BIg Ten needs to get some respectability back. Fast. They can do this only one way- beat a quality team. That spells it out succinctly, but harder to implement. The Bucks get the Trojans in LA, no easy task. If they beat the Trojans, then pollsters might give them th benefit of the doubt and keep them in the top 5. If they lose by more than 7, the Bucks can kiss their season goodbye, even if they go undefeated in the Big Ten. They may go to a BCS bowl, but they will not be going to the Big Dance. The fans are tired of it. Other teams are tired of it. Even the sportswriters are tired of building up a game when they know all-too-well that a team which plays one big boy and loses, isn't up for the task. Again.

Buckeye fans, circle the date. September 13th. Just look for ESPN's College Game Day crew. The world will be watching. And good luck. The fate of the Big Ten rests on your shoulders.


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edclinch
Mar 5, 2008
7:18 PM
You could be right about the USC game. However, there are a few other teams that may surprise in the Big 10...

And BCS results or not, these teams produce pros.

Football_101
Mar 5, 2008
7:35 PM
Edclinch-
There are plenty of surprises every year in the Big Ten. Last year it was Illinois. Look what happened. Maybe this year it's Iowa or Wisconsin. Does it really matter? More often than not, they get smoked in big games and all of a sudden their schedule becomes an issue as to why they did so well in the Big Ten, but not in non-conference games. It's a process that's wearing on everyone.

The SEC plays plenty of patsies as well, but they back it up when it counts...in bowl games.

gambitxxx
Mar 5, 2008
7:47 PM
Football 101,
Boy are you ever going to here it now! The Buckeye fans who haven't been around much since my Tigers made their #1 defense look silly. Rest assured though they smell when someone says some bad things about them. Oh and let's not talk about the Michigan fans. After beating Florida you would sware they won the BCS CC game.Either way nice post and I respect your opinion. Just be ready my friend their venom is extremely poisonous!

Football_101
Mar 5, 2008
8:15 PM
gambitxxx-
I can handle the Big Ten crowd. I partied with the Big Ten schools; best tailgaters in the world. I'm in paradise now. But I am distraught at the state of affairs in the Big Ten. It hasn't been right since the BCS' inception. Something's gotta give.

gambitxxx
Mar 5, 2008
8:25 PM
that's cool I'm glad you know them well enough then. They are some cool people but they don't take no bashing of their schools lightly.

Best tailgaters hmmm I'd have to see that. Ever been here and seen what it's like at LSU? Best food and more alcohol than the avg. man can handle in a lifetime

Football_101
Mar 5, 2008
8:53 PM
Dude..there's an art to tailgating in 12 degree weather. Big Ten takes the cake. Brats and cold beers, and lots of layers to keep appendages from falling off. Been to LSU, they are fun fans, but party in Wisconsin when the wind's blowin and it's -10. It's an art form.

By the way, where I am, no other food compares. Throw some mahi-mahi on the 'cue, and have a potent rum drink (mai-tai, daiquiri, pick your poison) while watching the sun go down. It's the good life.

gambitxxx
Mar 5, 2008
9:02 PM
There has to be more than art to being in that cold as weather it's called craziness lol! We don't eat brats around here. We have our own Sausage like hot sausage,Andouille and Alligator Sausage. I rather not party in Wisky whatsoever to cold for this New Orleans boy.

No other food compares? Don't get me wrong I like foods from other places but I highly doubt that if we took a poll on which city had the best food in the U.S. that New Orleans wouldn't win that poll. and By the way Daiquiri's were invented here. Either way though I am sure it's a great place were you are with some wonderful food and drink and also some great people. The "Big Easy" is the life. I've only been to places within the SEC realm to party for games. However I have been to many states befor. Not sure where you are but if you say it's great I have to believe you.

Football_101
Mar 5, 2008
9:11 PM
GAMBIT-

I'm familiar with New Orleans...was fun in my 20's, but wouldn't want to live there IF I was a family man. The public school system is horrible there, some of the worst stats in the country. Obviously, you are well-educated, as most are there, I assume. But I wouldn't want to raise a kid there.

The food, I agree, is great...the beignets (strawberry) at Cafe du Monde are unreal. BUT....the crime rate stinks. :( I suppose it's like that in every big city, but it's more concentrated in NOLa.

I'm in Hawaii now. It's a lower-stress level of living here. I hope you get to visit, if you haven't already. It's paradise. I'll be in NoLa for next year's Mardi Gras...can't wait for my Hurricane. They rock.

osuchamps
Mar 6, 2008
7:15 AM
WOW!!! this guy really hates the big ten and OSU. That's okay. Yes, the big 10 is on hard times right now. Top to bottom they are not very good. But I really get tired of hearing about speed. Football is about a lot more than speed. Florida and LSU did not use speed to beat the buckeyes. They beat them up front. It was the lines that beat the buckeyes in both games. The Florida line was amazing and gave Troy Smith no time at all. And they held the run as well. On the other side the Buckeyes d line couldn't even touch Leak. Same with LSU. Boeckman can't handle pressure and they knew that was all they had to do to beat him. LSU offensive line surprised me. They gave Flynn plenty of time. And when Flynn knew the blitz was coming he always had a quick safety to throw to. Yes, OSU got beat, twice, but the first year there was no talk of the big 10 being weak, in fact it wasn't bad that year. But the only games most of the country saw were the NC and Michigan in the Rose bowl. SO they assumed the league was weak. This year the big 10 was bad. Michigan especially. But if the buckeyes beat USC next year, and go undefeated, they will play for the NC whether people like it or not. Or, if Wisconsin goes undefeated and there are no other undefeated teams, they will play for the NC. Don't blame the teams, blame the system. A lot of teams had their chance last year and blew it. WVU, MIZZ,VT,Kansas, GA, OK all were ranked ahead of the buckeyes after they lost to Illinios. Each had only one or two games to win and couldn't do it. Hell, even LSU couldn't do it.
As far as OSU needing to pr

osuchamps
Mar 6, 2008
7:22 AM
as far as OSU needing to prove something, I disagree. In the last 3 years they have lost only 5 games. Three of those were to the NC.(texas, fl, LSU). A team should not be ashamed to lose to the best. The teams that should be ashamed are teams like USC for losing to stanford, Michigan for App state, Georgia for south carolina, and WVU for Pitt. OSU has nothing to ashamed about. All those teams had a shot in the final weaks and couldn't get it done. Blame them, or the system, not the Buckeyes.

GOBLUE92
Mar 6, 2008
7:42 AM
Football 101.

Good blog again, but many people continue to clown on Ohio State because of their last two bowl debacles, but really it doesn't reflect on the entire conference. OU has won the Big XII more than any other team since the turn of the century and they, just like Ohio State had won one BCS title and lost another.

Wow, kudos for Michigan State, USC, UCLA, and Notre Dame for not scheduling lower division schools, but I think you meant to say 10 out of the 11 teams not 11 out of the 12 teams.

But I think it is horrible for traditional powerhouses to schedule the FCS schools. I was very upset that Michigan did, but when they lost to Appalachian State, our AD had egg on his face from ducking Hawai'i and scheduling App State. Michigan scheduled a FCS school only ONCE during that time period and that was last season. Although this upcoming OOC schedule is nothing to brag about, but it is FCS free.

Now teams can even make it to the BCS title game with an FCS team on their schedule. LSU did in 03, Florida did in 06 and Ohio State did it in 07. Now you can play these lower division schools and still make it to the BCS title game by playing them. But as football fans shouldn't teams be penalized for playing these FCS schools. Auburn was a few years ago, when they went undefeated and played the Citadel. But they were slapped in the face when they saw Florida get to go to the big dance by doing the same thing that kept them from playing in the BCS title game.

But back to original topic. Ohio State isn't the flagship of the Big 10.

Last edited by GOBLUE92 on March 6th at 7:44 AM.

GOBLUE92
Mar 6, 2008
7:48 AM
con't.

If Ohio State does lose to USC, it's not an embarrassment, I give them Kudos for scheduling a home and away series. They should be commended just for that, win or lose because it's good for CFB. A few years ago they split with Texas. But wasn't blasted too hard because they won at least one. Just as LSU and VT. They split as well. But what if Ohio State doesn't win the Big 10. Then your theory would be all out of whack.

Also, my question for you is that you speak of the lack of Big 10 speed. But when Michigan beat Florida, was it speed or was it experience. You said experience. I'll concede. (but not by much). So when LSU beat Ohio State, was it speed or experience? You know Ohio State was a young team last season. You can't have it both ways.

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
8:13 AM
GOBLUE92,
You make some very valid points there. I think Mich. beat Fla. because they were finaly healthy enough to compete with anybody. As for OSU and LSU speed did have something to do with it. But people are looking for speed in the wrong places. It's the speed of the D-line and LB's that killed OSU's O-line. After that though both teams were pretty even except that LSU had more SR. playing in that game.

GOBLUE92
Mar 6, 2008
8:28 AM
Gambitxxx,
I think speed is something great teams have, but it's sort of overrated. Have you looked at the NFL combine times of the LSU players that participated this year? Other than Matt Flynn's 40 time, the rest of the team really didn't have a good showing. But I will say that they were more experienced than Ohio State's team. Because most teams would have buckled after a team jumps out on them. And LSU had the team that fought back and won.

Florida had a fast DL (from what I heard) and they also had a guy who was a beast on the DE, he is in the draft this year. But Florida with all of that defensive speed on their DL probably touched Henne once that game. Speed was neutralized with coaching, technique, power, and luck.

ReverendRhythm
Mar 6, 2008
9:08 AM
I can't disagree with any of that. But is it likely that they take the Youngstown State game off the schedule?

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
9:23 AM
GOBLUE,
No didn't see the times at the combine but we both know game speed is different than running a straight line in a 40. In a sense yes it is overated. It can also be underated depending on who's playing who. Yes experience had something to do with not folding under pressure. Especialy since LSU had been there so many times that season. It seemed like almost every game after the VT one that they were fighting to comeback.

Fla. D was nothing compared to LSU's last season. Had that been LSU and Michigan although I respect what Mich. did and I am speaking in hypotheticals, I feel like LSU would have handled them much the same way they did OSU. Just like Mich. LSU was finaly healthy when they got to the bowl game. The only difference in Mich and OSU's play in the bowl games was Mich. was playing with a huge amount of emotion and sometimes that can swing things into your favor. I take nothing from Michigan though they played well as a team and with a lot of heart, it was good to see Carr go out on top with a bowl win. Goodluck this season.

ReverendRhythm
Mar 6, 2008
9:41 AM
Gambit, you're off your meds, bro. The 2006-7 Florida team was better than the 2007-8 LSU team on both sides of the ball. They shut down a much more offensively potent OSU team team with Troy Smith and Teddy Ginn and scored at will against a similar defense.

Don't make me come out there.

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
9:51 AM
Rev.
LMFAO! I was talking last season for both teams. Not two different seasons. You just come mon'ami and after we finish the bottle of Jack I'll knock you over the head with it. lol!

P.S. Ted Ginn played one down and got hurt so let's not bring him into this.

Last edited by gambitxxx on March 6th at 9:52 AM.

moseby
Mar 6, 2008
10:45 AM
While they haven't had as much skill at the QB position, Wisconsin had played SEC teams in their last four bowl games (Georgia, Auburn, Arkansas and Tennessee) and weren't deficient in speed to any one of them. You can argue that they did not play Florida or LSU, but they have been recruiting speed for 5-6 years.
As for the assumption that Ohio State will roll to 10 wins with that schedule; ask Jim Tressel about how easy it has been for the Buckeyes vs. the Badgers (2-4).

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ReverendRhythm
Mar 6, 2008
10:51 AM
Gambit,

Teddy Ginn pulling up gimpy in that game was akin to Ted Knight pretending to break his arm at the end of "Caddyshack."

They both knew their gooses were cooked. Knight just wore nicer slacks.

billium1173
Mar 6, 2008
10:51 AM
So let me get this straight - OSU is being condemned for playing within their conference? As to Youngstown State, if you would take 10 minutes to do a little research you would find out that the addition of more games makes it harder and harder to schedule teams especially 5 years out. Add the fact that the Ohio Legislature puts lots of pressure on OSU to play Ohio schools and the reasons are clear. Sorry that OSU was in the final game during a rebuilding year and that so many of our slow fat and dumb players end up in the NFL for odd reasons.

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
11:15 AM
Rev.
Ok you have a point there LOL!

Football_101
Mar 6, 2008
11:26 AM
osuchamps-

I am not a hater of the Big Ten. Why is it when someone offers an opinion that isn't liked by one group, it's hate? I am simply stating that if OSU doesn't beat USC, the rest of their season is irrelevant. Their schedule is weak. Period. (Except for the USC game) For two years in a row, we have seen a team with a great record against pansies get embarrassed in the NC game. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

dave5573
Mar 6, 2008
11:28 AM
so writer what does it feel like to fail football 101? your blog amounts to nothing more than highly biased opionins worth nothing.

Football_101
Mar 6, 2008
11:33 AM
Go Blue-

Thanks, and Michigan was on that list till they scheduled App State. And yeah, I meant ten of eleven...thanks for the heads-up, I changed it.

Yes, Florida had inexperience in their secondary, but great speed across the board. Their D needs one year to gel.

LSU beat Ohio State due to just having better athletes, plain and simple. And yes, they were faster. OSU was a young team, but they also won eleven games. They didn't lose 23 letterman like Florida did, did they? You can be young and still have experience. If OSU won eleven regular season games with inexperience, then what does that say about the rest of the BIg Ten?

Football_101
Mar 6, 2008
11:44 AM
gambit-
nice points and I agree. Speed on the line is where it matters. Michigan is going to a WCO, but they fail to have the proper personnel to run it efficiently. If they don't get Pryor, who is going to run it?

Billium-
I never said they were condemned. I simply stated that their season's credibility lies on the USC game. Dude, two years in a row they have played weak schedules, and two years in a row they were exposed. You think pollsters are going to give them a third try if their only loss is to USC? Keep drinking the kool-aid. Last year they lost to Illinois, who got smoked by SC.

Football_101
Mar 6, 2008
11:47 AM
Reverand-

Florida's NC team would have beaten anyone. They were a complete team.

Dave-

LOL. I didn't see any arguments or comments to the blog other than ditto from you. In case you don't know, a blog is mostly opinion.

Bucknutter
Mar 6, 2008
12:17 PM
I agree their season hinges on the USC game, no argument there. But your generalization about the speed thing is pedestrian at best. The Big 10's failure lies in their inability to defend the spread offense because they don't see it enough during the season. Additionally, their defensive schemes having done a deplorable job of preparing for the spread. You can say what you want about Ohio State not having enough speed; the Buckeyes still send a tremendous amount of players to the NFL on average. The talent is there. Playing a spread like Michigan is going to have down the road is only going to help the Big 10 as a whole.

To use the Illinois game as an example is complete bogus. Everyone with a microphone was saying USC was the best team in the country at the end of the season last year.(before the bowls) By that same argument, if Ohio State would have played Stanford in a bowl and smoked them, would that make things even? Each game in every conference is a completely different animal than a bowl game.

Ohio State shouldn’t have been in the NC game last year, they were suppose to be rebuilding. 2008 was the year they were supposed to be legit. If they can beat SC in L.A. Crapiseum , they'll get the respect nationally again.

Last edited by Bucknutter on March 6th at 12:18 PM.

edclinchsaint
Mar 6, 2008
12:37 PM
The Big 10 will win it all! Indiana!

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
1:00 PM
Bucknutter,
The spread offense relies on speed at just about every position. So if you say they fail to be able to defend the spread then by the same token they fail to be able to handle speed.

Thing is like I said in my comment above that Football 101 agrees with, it was the speed of LSU and Fla. D-LINE that put a real hurting on OSU. Those Big strong O-Lineman from OSU though they are very good players are to slow to handle a speedy blitz especialy from around the ends.


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GOBLUE92
Mar 6, 2008
1:28 PM
Football 101:
OSU didn't play the entire Big 10, but they did win all of their games with the exception of Illinois. LSU won the same amount of conference games, and they lost two. USC lost two conference games as well. Do we dare say that the rest of the Pac 10, SEC, Big East, etc don't have competition in their own league. Yes they do because all of them lost to a conference foe.

You also mention that UF needs one more year to gel. Teams lose players each and every year. Most teams gel after a few games. If it requires a year, then they will never gel because of the annual turnover.

I heard the same thing about the "speed" factor. LSU simply out gameplanned OSU plan and simple. Speed is only one factor. Hard to say which team has better athletes because doesn't Miami and FSU get prime athletes each and every year? It doesn't result winning.

Last edited by GOBLUE92 on March 6th at 1:31 PM.

oalany
Mar 6, 2008
1:28 PM
Fight On!

OSU can't prove anymore than they have the last 2 BCS NC games in a row. Slow, methodical, predictable, and bad coaching will lose you games. How do you get embarrassed 2 years straight? On national TV? Hope they are not trying to become the college football version of the Buffalo Bills.

We will once again show the world how overrated your team is when you come rolling into LA on 9-13. Scheduling bad teams catches up to you when you do finally play top-caliber teams.

And once again, OSU, you will be seeing even MORE speed when you come out here.

Fight ON!

Bucknutter
Mar 6, 2008
1:43 PM
Bite On!

Oalany,

We'll see how thing unravel in September. I think it's a little too soon for your underachieving Trojans to proclaim victory. How does USC find ways to lose to completely inferior teams the last couple of years? Ohio State lost the last 2 big dances, but somehow you forget that losses to Stanford, Oregon State and UCLA cost you guys your chance to play us for all the marbles.

Keep on biting on, not too many teams with the talent pool USC has have found ways to come up short the way you guys have.

GOBLUE92
Mar 6, 2008
1:45 PM
Bucknutter:
I will agree with you that people said USC was the best team last year. Just as LSU, USC had a lot of injuries that could have resulted in them losing their games against Stanford and Oregon.

But I don't know how much Big 10 ball you watch, but in the Big 10 these teams run the spread: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern. Ohio State beat 2 of those teams.

Bucknutter
Mar 6, 2008
1:52 PM
Gambitxxx,

I'm not a neophyte when it comes to football; I realize the spread relies on speed. I’m just saying there is a lot of misdirection with the spread and a lot of different options you have to defend. Do you honestly believe that if Ohio State play 4 -5 teams with the spread offense every year they wouldn’t at least find schemes to deal with it and better defend it? I’m not saying LSU wasn’t the better team, I’m just saying don’t think Ohio State is going to go away and hide while the entire country starts running the spread. The difference between Ohio State and LSU’s game plan was the most embarrassing part. LSU’s game plan was far superior and they knew Ohio State’s weaknesses.

That is a great picture; do you also have the one where Chris Wells is stiffing arming Chevis Jackson?

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
2:05 PM
Bucknutter,
I in no way meant that as any disrespect towards your football intelligence. If it seemed that way I am sorry. I agree with you if OSU plays teams with the spread more often they'll find a weakness to it. However LSU's doesn't run a traditional spread offense. What LSU did in that game and throughout the season is run a more pro-style offense. Yes gameplanning had a lot to do with it. I also think it was a mistake by Tressel to give those kids a DVD that did nothing but set their emotions high which we might be able to say the personal fouls were a direct result of. Now I'm just speculating there but it's possible.

I might be able to find a pic for you like that with the Stiff arm man that Beanie kid is tough and strong. Messege me with your email addy and I'll try to find and send.

slshusker
Mar 6, 2008
2:11 PM
Ouch!

SKCUBOG
Mar 6, 2008
2:33 PM
Football 101,

LSU did not beat OSU because they had faster players. They beat OSU with a better game plan, better formations, and better adjustments. Bottomline, they were a better team. This whole "faster players" myth is a joke. OSU's only player at the combine (thats because so many players came back) was 4th in the 40 for DE,s, first in the benchpress, first in vertical leap,... enough said. Michigan's Jake Long was they premier offensive lineman at the combine. The issue is not speed or athleticism. Michigan and OSU had the 6th and 7th best recruiting class for '08. Do you think they managed find five star slow players. I don't mind acknowledging LSU or Florida kicking our butt and being better teams. Just think we should acknowledge it for the right reasons.

gobucks59
Mar 6, 2008
2:55 PM
yeah gambit you are right and let me be the first to say the author of this article's screen name is correct. #### osu has been in 3 nc games in the past 6 yrs and did win one. and, gambit i say that beanie wells made lsu defense look silly. you do remember him running through and by the whole lsu defense? and, with his stiff arm knocking one of lsu's corners about 10 yds on his ####. and, let's not forget that big 10 is not afraid to travel to play big time games UNLIKE the sec who only plays sun belt teams on their home field. and, georgia has 2 lower division games scheduled IN THE SAME YEAR. again, i say the sec is over rated and until they start coming up north and playing on big ten fields it will be that way. i guarantee there is NO sec team that could go undefeated in columbus, wisconsin, happy valley and ann arbor

gobucks59
Mar 6, 2008
2:58 PM
and, look what happens when sec does go play someone on their field. the runner up tenn. went to cal and got spanked by a terrible cal team.
and, osu has the most first round draft picks of all time. in 2003 or 04 they tied with fl. st. for the most ever first round draft picks in a single season. again, you're an ####

mziemba
Mar 6, 2008
3:09 PM
I wish I could find this article where the author did an out of conference statistical analysis for each BCS contender next year, and OSU's schedule was more difficult than any of the SEC schools next year. Yes, it's because of one game and yes the SEC in-conference schedule is tougher, but I'm sick and tired of hearing about our out of conference schedule when the SEC is scheduling teams like Troy and UL Monroe. If you don't believe me, check out the schedules of the SEC teams next year. The speed thing is an easy thing for lazy and stupid fans to repeat like parrots because they keep reading it in the media. Only USC has put more players in the pros over the last 6 years. And no, the NFL isn't taking slow corn fed white boys just because they have THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY on their resumes. OSU lost to two straight BCS games because their opponents were all around better, period. Stop spreading the ignorance....

Last edited by mziemba on March 6th at 3:13 PM.

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
3:23 PM
gobucks,
You can say anything you like to me and even disagree but to stoop low and curse at me shows you are a very immature person so I'll not even respond to anything you say after this. Goodluck this season.

SKCUBOG
Mar 6, 2008
3:23 PM
gambit, part of the underpinning strategy of the spread offense is too deny the defense sufficient time to setup for the offensive play. Teams like OSU who do not play against the spread very often are slower to read and react. That doesn't mean they lack foot speed or athleticism. The spread is also very dependent on a mobile qb who can read and react with either run or pass. In nearly all cases the qb in the SEC running a spread will be quicker and more mobile than a traditional dropback qb. So, at that one position we could draw a conclusion that the SEC is literally faster. That said, do you think that the 3 pro receivers OSU has placed in the NFL over the past 3 years are slow? How about Vernon Gholston at DE? AJ Hawk at LB? So, as I said earlier, LSU was the better team, same with Florida, but it wasn't some mythical SEC speed advantage over the Big Ten that enabled them to claim victory. LSU and Florida were just better teams.

SKCUBOG
Mar 6, 2008
3:32 PM
Football101, I agree in part with your observation that the USC game will make or break OSU's season. Certainly it will be nearly impossible for them to go to the NC game without a win there and an undefeated season. Can't lose two in row and expect any breaks from the voters. That said, for most Buckeye fans winning the Big 10, beating Michigan, and going to a good bowl game can make for a pretty good year. Tell me, what is your CF team? How do they look this coming season? How about an analysis of their OOC schedule? Give us a little insight into where you are coming from.

gambitxxx
Mar 6, 2008
3:49 PM
SKCUBOG,
I agree with your last statement but what you fail to realize is LSU doesn't run what is traditionaly the spread offense. However we do throw 4-5 WR at you and have a very mobile QB most years. It's still a more pro-style offense. Also I never said that OSU's defense was slow or any of the skill players. What I did say was slow was their O-lineman as compared to most teams in the SEC D-line. that's the speed difference. Can you honestly say that LSU's D-line didn't kill OSU's O-line with speed? It certainly wasn't strength as we all know OSU has always had top notch strong O-lineman but not with the quickest footwork. That's all I was getting at. It's just my opinion and I respect yours and the teams from the Big-10.

Marty Walker
Mar 6, 2008
4:05 PM
I think your avatar "FOOTBALL 101 " means you are a beginner. What in the world posessed you to write such a moronic post. Pure blabbermouthing and chest puffing. Go ahead and make your comment back. I'll leave now. You are a waste of time, and for the rest of you jealous people, get a life.

Greenspire
Mar 6, 2008
4:20 PM
I'm a Big Ten guy, and I am probably breaking the code by saying that they are one of the least competitive conferences in the NCAA (Football only)

I hope we (MICHIGAN STATE!) can make a better bowl than "Champs Sports" Whoopie...

Take care!

-Mike Greenspire

Football_101
Mar 6, 2008
4:44 PM
Green-
Hah, that was good. Good luck to your Spartans.

Marty-
Dude, what gives? What it surprise you if I told you I was a Buckeye fan? Nothing worse than a football fan who can't digest reality. I can deal with it. Can you?

Everybody else-
I still maintain that the Big Ten can't deal with speed well. I'm not talking WRs or RBs here. I'm talking quick feet and lateral speed, a must for any lineman. Dorsey had incredibly quick feet, always moving. He also stayed low, to get optimal leverage. Big trees fall down hard. Looking at OSU's D-line, they look like a forest. They need to go for faster linemen. On BOTH sides of the line- if they can do that, then they can run more WCO and Spreads to confuse opposing teams. The reason why OSU doesn't do well against the spread IS NOT DUE TO LACK OF EXPERIENCE PLAYING THAT FORMATION. It is due to their linemen not being able to react fast enough to get to the hole and tackle. They have to move fast laterally, AND THEY CAN'T.

Last edited by Football_101 on March 6th at 4:45 PM.

Football_101
Mar 6, 2008
4:54 PM
Gambitxxx-

Dude, you blew my blog up. Nice. The pic really proves my whole point.

Kevbell71
Mar 6, 2008
5:21 PM
Hey Fellas, tha PAC 10 can party. Show me a region anywhere else in the country that takes its beer as seriously (in the NW anyway). Why do you think coffee got so big up here, from the dang hangovers! Tailgating in Purple and Gold is the only way to go!
Oh yeah, we know how to eat too!
God Bless all the TAILGATERS!! WOOOHOOO that's what makes college football the KING of ALL sports!

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