Our partners over at CollegeFootballNews.com have an interesting take on who should face Ohio State in the National Championship Game.
Here's the crux:
Who should play Ohio State for the national title? Michigan will most likely end up playing Ohio State in a rematch, but does it deserve it? According to the CFN Formula, which ranks teams based on what actually happened on the field and takes all subjectivity out of it, here are the rankings of four teams currently in the debate for the number two spot. This is NOT a ranking of which teams are the best or most talented. This is a formula to find out which teams had the best seasons based on who they played, who they beat, and who they lost to. We'll put out the entire 119-team ranking next week.
Out of Michigan, Florida, Louisville and Boise State ...
1. Florida CFN Score: 24.92
Record: 12-1, Quality Wins: 7, Elite Wins 3, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 1, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 2, Winning % 0.92
2. Louisville CFN Score: 21.60
Record: 11-1, Quality Wins: 6, Elite Wins 1, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 1, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 2.68, Winning % 0.92
3. Boise State CFN Score: 21.11
Record: 12-0, Quality Wins: 5, Elite Wins 1, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 3, Elite Loss 0, Point Difference 2.86, Winning % 1.00
4. Michigan CFN Score: 20.54
Record: 11-1, Quality Wins: 4, Elite Wins 2.5, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 0, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 1.87, Winning % 0.92
The Formula's Components:
1. Wins. - If you win, everything else falls into place. Each win counts as 1.
2. Quality Wins - The number of wins over teams that finished with a winning record. Each win counts as 1.
3. Elite Wins - The number of wins over teams that finished with two losses or fewer. Each win counts as 1 with a road win over an Elite team getting an extra 0.5. Also counting as 1 is a road win over a team that finished with three losses or fewer (but the extra 0.5 isn't added).
4. Bad Loss - The number of losses to teams that finished with three wins or fewer or a loss to a DI-AA team. Each loss counts as minus-1. Take away an additional 0.5 for a Bad Loss at home.
5. Bad Win - The number of wins to teams that finished with three wins or fewer, or a win over a D-IAA team. Each win counts as minus 0.25.
6. Elite Loss - The number of losses to teams that finished with two losses or fewer. Each loss counts as 0.25.
7. Point Differential - Points for minus points against divided by 100.
8. Winning Percentage - To take losses into account, winning percentage is in the mix.
If Michigan were to go to the National Championship Game and win against Ohio, does it mean they're tied? Doesn't it seem unfair to Ohio to define a National Title as a rematch? Ohio should be given the opportunity to show the world that they can defeat any team #2, #3, #4, etc. and demonstrate what a National Title means.
As for Florida, in a completely different conference, makes for a great showdown. The world will be watching the "Big Ten" against the highly rated "SEC". Though the SEC has major recruits and powerful defenses, isn't this an opportunity for Ohio and the other conferences to say, "They're not so tough"?
As a football fan... I see Michigan's point of intrest: To take your team and school to the National Championship and avenge your loss. But it's not fair to Ohio and it's not fair to NCAA Football fans. Ohio proved it could win and Football fans want to see something new.
Who cares about math! They can't even do a half #### job teaching it in the schools here. So it's all about the "Style". I'll take Michigan's style because of their classy uniforms....Let's see if Urban want to still blow up the BCS....he will be praising it tomorrow. NO STYLE! NO CLASS!
Gators are the 3rd best SEC team at best. Go get your gator tails kicked for the SEC please!
As for a rematch with UofM, what would it prove to the rest of the NCAA 119? Only that UofM and OSU can play a decent game of football. It doesn't prove that they are better than teams from outside the Big Ten (11). I say vote for UFL and let OSU see if they are as good as the voters have said they are.
No One won so convincingly as OSU. They crushed everyone on their schedule. It doesn't matter who they play OSU is the best team in the land, Buck's Rule!
utvolfan, you are right. And an 8 team playoff (with consolation matches for those teams that lose the previous week) would take three weeks and allow the NCAA (or the BCS or whoever steals all our money - the scalpers?) to run 10 games instead of 5 - and the rest of the bowl games can either get done before all this starts up or "volunteer" to be the first round.
Give it to Boise State. I don't have a vested interest in any of the teams much less football. This would be the only time a smaller school has a chance. They won all of their games. Anyway I'm sure big FB schools wouldn't agree to a home and home series during the regular season so how is a team like BSU ever going to have a chance? Big football schools make too much money on their home games, maybe just pay all the football teams equally in Division I. Wait, I guess that is another topic for another time.
College Presidents should get their heads out of their behinds and set up a legitimate 1-A Championship! This entire existing BCS setup is a charade! College Presidents walk around promoting honesty and integrity and then lie like a bunch of Politicians! You have to walk the talk! Division 1AA, 2 and 3 can have playoffs. NCAA Basketball seems to be doing fine with 65 teams involved and 6 extra games for the Champion. Their claim that 1A football can't manage to make it through an 8 team playoff with 3 extra games for the 2 teams that eventially make the final is ludicrus.
Virtually every year a bunch of kids from at least one team who have worked their tails off to have a chance for a national championship get screwed because the college Presidents don't have the will to do what's right. This year's candidates - Michigan or Florida followed closely by Louisville, Boise State and Wisconsin. It's getting so bad that they ought to have a trophy for teams with a legitimate claim to an opportunity to be Number 1 but get a "raw deal"! Maybe we could name it the "NCAA College President's "Got Screwed" trophy! They could place it a White House trophy cabinet next to Monica Lewinsky's dress!
This formula is flawed, in that it favors teams in a conference with more parity (more teams with 2 or less losses), rather than conferences with 3, 4, 5 dominant teams, i.e. the SEC and the Big Ten.
Your math is flawed because of the number of games Florida has played. You also take losses into account twice. Anyone can make a system to prove what they want to. Florida and Michigan have similar records, top 5 strength of schedules, belong to major conferences. The only difference is that the Big 10 did not have a great year and the Big 10 does not have a conference championship game and Ohio State and Michigan are in the same conference. SEC fans would take the opposite view if two of their teams were in for a possible rematch. Michigan is the more deserving team only because it lost to the #1 team and Florida lost to the #11 team. Florida is the more deserving team because there should not be a rematch.
As an Ohio State fan, I have mixed emotions who I believe they should play next. Loyalty drives me to want them to beat the heck out of Michigan. Florida, would give us more credibility(though they are by far a much weaker team). But, in all honesty...I feel the real team, should be the broncos...they are the only "other" undefeated team. I think we should give them a chance. Even if they go out there and get their tails smashed, its an oppertunity for them to make a statement...to let the world see if the "small" schools can hang with the "big" schools. We all know OSU is the best team in the country, Lets throw the Broncos in the mix and see what they've got!
If Michigan is selected to play Ohio State, there should be a third game scheduled for Jan 15...best-of-three series.
I just don't see how you can reward Michigan for losing! They had their chance...no BCS title game for you!...NEXT!
The only one who benefits from Michigan being selected is Michigan, it's unfair to Ohio State and the rest of the NCAA. And if Michigan is selected it's time to totally scrap the B(C)S....
The rematch is here, Florida is not the #2 team in the country. Michigan would trounce them. We beat vandy by 20 while Florida won by 6. We beat MAC CHAMP Central Michigan while florida was beating teams like west carolina??? WHO THAT???. IF U DONT WANT TO SEE THE REMATCH< RENT A MOVIE.. SEE U IN GLENGALE BUCKEYES. HAIL TO THE VICTORS!!!!
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In my opinion, Ohio State are already the national champions. The national championship game was already played where the two best teams in the country faced off, and the better one came out on top.
However, with this broken system, we are going to give a team a shot to beat Ohio State and become the national champion. Since we have to have a game, the only deserving team to be playing there is Michigan.
It is really unlucky that they had to play Ohio State so late in the season, because then it makes it quite hard for them to make it to the national championship if they didn't win.
Michigan has 1 loss...to the number 1 team and Florida has 1 loss to at the time number 11 Auburn...and currently number 11 as well. However Auburn has 2 losses, one to Arkansas, who Florida just beat, and the other to a really struggling Georgia team. If I had a formula, it would only look at the losses.
Michigan lost to a team with no losses and the number 1 team in the nation, and Florida lost to a 2 loss team. Since we have to have a game, Michigan should be playing in Glendale.
Last edited by Hookem18 on December 3rd at 5:02 AM.
If you want a playoff, you got it. In the 1st round game Ohio State beat Michigan, So Florida should play Ohio State. If you can't see this, go get your eyes checked. But I hate Florida, so I'll laugh when the jerks get snubbed.
You are crazy with your math quality win and elite
wins. Also included should be on the road wins,
point given away and the tougher conference which
is the big ten. You math s$%ks Go Blue.
Another thing Florida has been beaten by michigan
and ohio state in the last bowl games they met
so they would get there #### handed to them if they play agian.
I suppose it depends on what question you are trying to answer, ie., who's number one?, does the BCS system work, most entertaining game, best TV ratings, best sports writer column fodder, etc.
In reality, what difference does it make, "The Ohio State University" will crush any opponent they face, and are far superior both from a talent perspective and coaching perspective than any other team/program in the country (a thought that is curiously absent from mainstream sportswriting thus far).
P.S. Ohio State would/will beat Meeechigan again, so why bother a repeat?
I can quickly state a 'top 10' if you will, of why there should be a re-match. First and most importantly, UM's sole lose was AT #1 OSU by 3 points, which is considered the difference in homefield advantage. UF lost at #11 Auburn by double digits. UM is #3 in the polls and UF is #4, and to punish UM two weeks in a row for not playing is simply wrong. As for UF's brutal SEC schedule? It's #1 in schedule strength vs. #3 for UM, NOT a big margin. How about schedule weakness? UF's non-conference schedule is a travesty. SMU, UCF, a .500 FSU team and the kicker, a 2-9 I-AA team. At least UM's worst foe is I-A Ball State. They also beat Vandy by 20, which is two touchdowns better than UF's win by 6 against the same team. Oh, and if UF didn't block 3 kicks, they would NOT have beat SC by a meager point in THE SWAMP!!! And in non-conference, UM beat the MAC champions (CMU) and whipped the Irish IN south bend. And yes, UF is 3-1 against top 25 teams BUT UM is 2-1 against the top 10, NOT 25. Those two wins over ND and UW were by a total of 40 points, not the 24 that UF beat 3 top 25 by. UM won by an average of 17.2, while UF won by 14.8 against a schedule of very similar difficulty. Oh, and if you average the rankings of both teams' opponents, UM's opponents average a 53rd place ranking, while the gators' opposition averages 48th, and that's IF you only consider W. Carolina to be #150 in the nation, and given that they're behind ALL 119 I-A teams and in the bottom of I-AA, I think 150th is very fair. So this schedule strength talk needs to cease, and UM is still the #2 team. Forget th
ok one thing is total apparent no matter what happens with this years National Championship game some one will be upset! so here is your solution: top 8 teams- 7 bowl games- 3 weeks =a ture National Champion.. (all this was done using this weeks rankings before any games were played)
Round 1
#8 Boise State vs. #1 Ohio State in Sugar Bowl
#7 Wisconsin vs. #2 USC in Orange Bowl
#6 Louisville vs. # 3 Michigan in OutBack Bowl
#5 LSU vs. #4 Florida in Capital Bowl
Round 2
GAME 1
Lowest remaining seed vs. Highest remaining seed in Rose Bowl
Game2
2nd Lowest vs. 2nd Highest in Fiesta Bowl
Round 3
Winner of Fiesta vs Winner of Rose in Glendale
Outback and Captital bowl would be first round games
Sugar, Orange, Rose, and Fiesta would be 1st and 2nd round game rotating each year
and Glendale would stay Championship Game
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Western Carolina was ranked 80th in DIV. 2 when they played florida .... i did notice in espn's online poll the SEC conference area is for Florida which they should be ... just like Most of The Big 10 (11) is for Michigan expcet for one state? and yes i know your case is we already beat you once in the shoe! but i don't beleive i have seen any Buckeyes fan staying let's play round 2... seem a little scared to me i guess that is the difference we are confident up north doesn't sound like they are in OhiO....just an observation
Last edited by BigBlue1 on December 3rd at 8:13 AM.
Fieldplay...I know the Pats need no lessons. Thanks for recognizing that fact. What does that have to do with anything anyway? But Urban Decay? He needs a few lessons. The SEC will continue to make him whine year in and year out. Winning a conference is great; however, the championship game did not even pair the best 2 teams in the game. He made the comment after winning the SEC that the SEC game was the best game of the season in college football. Come on Urban! You want style? That slop o####ame should have been for 3rd place. Yes, stand up for your team, but not with stupid arrogant comments like that from both sides of your mouth! Wake up and smell the Chicory Coffee in New Orleans, Urban. Louisiana needs another politician in town talking from both sides (i'm not talking about his mouth this time) to lobby for something almost as big as their ego.
the main point i want to make is how can a team that finishes 2nd in there conference go to the national title game. It doesn't matter how many points they lost by or where they lost at. You could make a case for Michigan if they played ohio st. in a out of conference scheduled game and still won there conference. If they do a rematch of this game it will be because they "THINK" Michigan is the 2nd best team but not that they lost there shot on the field.
since we don't have a playoff and probably never will here is a thought add 2 teams to the Big 10(one being Notre Dame since they play all patsys each year except 1 or 2 it would he nice to see how good they are if they have a conference like everyone else) then have a conference championship to settle questions like OSU/Mich this year. As far as who should play this year let Boise State play for it, would be amusing but they have earned it by going undefeated. Let Florida play Michigan and the winner can then complain all of next year who got shafted that way either or both of them might go undefeated next year and get a chance to play the big one. Again we need a playoff system
HOOKEM,
FIELDING H YOST CAME TO MICHIGAN FROM WEST VIRGINIA AND WITH HIS SOUTHERN DRAWL PRONOUNCED MICHIGAN , MEEEECHIGAN.
FAMOUS U M ANNOUNCER BOB UFER WHO WENT TO SCHOOL THE SAME TIME YOST WAS AROUND PICKED UP ON THIS AND IN SHORT THATS HOW MICHIGAN BECAME MEEEEEECHIGAN
everyone's point is cause Michigan didn't win there conference... so let's punish them for having the best team in the Nation in the Big 10... and for those of you that think a rematch is crazy let's look back to the 96' National Championship when you had Florida vs. Florida State play for it after playing a regular season finale against each other in a game that Florida loss 24-21 @ FSU but a month later played for the title and won 52-20. when ever won felt that Miami should of played FSU for the title and not the Gators.... Florida was rewarded for playing a tight game at tallahasee... but we are quick to say Michigan doesn't desrve it... hmmm to me that sounds alot like this year... Michigan 39 Ohio State 42 at Colombus... so i guess the Math theory worked in 96, granted it was a differnet formula then but honestly has anything really change form then to now? NO we still have complaintant's from all of Us! there are 2 ways to stop this look at the playoff system i state earlier..tweek how ever you might but it wasn't hard to come up with ... i actually thought up while playing video games with my kids ( so it took 5 minutes) and second to end this Year let Boise State play for it and all of us Michigan and Gators fans can say nothing cause Boise went undefeated and we didn't... throw the conference's out cause it will never be fair to anyone.. if you want fair make it so all top 25 teams have to play against top 25 for there non-conference schedule... i know Michgan is usaully in the top 5 for schedule toughness ( last 20 years)...
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Looking at that online map it seems as divided as the political landscape. Big 10 country except Ohio wants Michigan (can you blame since it would be more money for the conference). The SEC country wants Florida (same reason). Big East country is split leaning toward Michigan. ACC country wants Florida. Big 12 country is split leaning toward Florida. Idaho wants Florida as well as Utah. Pac 10 country except Oregon wants Michigan (probably because they don't want UM to stomp USC). Outside the US, the tide is leaning toward UF.
Unfortunately the pollsters have their work cut out for them and we will probably not have a true have a national champion with this BCS nonsense this year.
As for Boise State, I think Oklahoma will beat them.
It would be nice though if the Big 10 (11) would add team #12 to the mix so they can have a "title" game. Put OSU in one division and UM in the other, so they can play twice a year. Unfortunately, Big 10 is waiting for ND and that won't happen since ND makes a killing off being an independent.
May we find the BCS game to be a good game and the best team win.
Last edited by DarkestFire on December 3rd at 9:01 AM.
This might be a real shocker to many, but I being a Michigan Man really don't care about that National Championship thing. The real championship is the Ohio St - Michigan game. Always was - Always Is. If my team plays and wins (what everyone else calls) the big one, what will it do to the rivalry? My real dream would be for Ohio St and Michigan to crush whomever in January and start out next season as #1 and #2. That way next year's battle in Ann Arbor could host the #1 vs. #2 and save everyone the grief of a ridiculous playoff schedule next year. Those that really understand Big-10 (ok 11) football really know how important the conference schedule is (its nice the rest of the country tunes into a glimpse the final battle). Sadly, most Big-10 teams (and yes my favorite) treat the bowl schedule as anticlimactic as a spring intersquad scrimmage. Maybe the rematch might just wake up these teams to play with as least half of the intensity they did during the fall. But I would rather see the Big-10 run the table in bowl action and shut up everyone who thinks their schedule is so tough. GO BLUE! (oh yeah – you too bucs, badgers, (sp)(b)oilermakes, gophers, hawkeyes, nittnay lions, …).
the top 25 teams non conference opponents should be against other top 25 teams... the should play a top 5 team, a top 15 team and a top 25 team from the year before... looking at Michigan schedule for next year that get Eastern Michigan(cupcake) Oregen and Notre Dame both top 25 teams for 2007 and looking at Florida non-conference schedule they have Troy(not USC) Florida Altlantic, Central Florida and Florida State WOW !!! definately 3 cupcakes there possible 4 ... not sure who Michigan 4th Non Conference is but heck maybe Div. 2 columbia is free? (feel the sarcasm)
Last edited by BigBlue1 on December 3rd at 9:13 AM.
I find all this Michigan had their chance #### funny.........What does having a chance have to do with anything?????
Its about #1 vs #2 plain and simple. Last week most voters said Michigan was 3 and Florida 4, What did any of you see in Floridas game yesterday to put them ahead of Michigan now????? They beat Arkansas which had two losses already........WHOOOOOOO. If everyone thought Florida was so great and worthy of the title game why werent they #3 then???
Ask yourselves this.......Would you rather have a awesome title game or watch Florida get the #### kicked out of them because thats what will happen if they play OU. MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!
Another question.......Why isnt Wisconsin being shown in the comparison at the head of this article???? Same thing happened to them last week. Leapfrogged by 2 teams and one with 2 losses. They get NO respesct. They lost to the #3 team in the country by 10 at Ann Arbor!!!!!!! All these polls can kiss my ####.
When will the old fools running this show called Division I College Football shoehorn their heads from their you know whats!!! Why have only 1 bowl game that means anything when you could have 7 (taking the top 8 teams into a playoff)? Why will they not consider what the VAST MAJORITY are calling for!!! As for this year, it really doesn't matter who gets in - there IS going to be controvery. I'm just glad a Pac-10 team will not be involved as their "secret society" of referees took away Oklahoma's chances of being considered for the Big Game. OU is really 12-1 with their only loss coming to Texas who was a top 10 team at the time. In years past, blown calls were "part of the game" - but now, with replay, 3 BLOWN GAME DECIDING CALLS IN THE LAST 90 SECONDS is inexusable!!! They all said they were sorry and were suspended - then why not give the game to OU like it should have been!!! As you can probably tell - the game still haunts Sooner Fans. You don't like it - bite me. The Big 10 and Pac 10 need to grow a pair and start playing a Conference Championship Game like the other big leagues. Quit your ####ing until you start playing on a level field.
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I can't see how anyone could think that michigan shoulden't play Ohio they had the harder schedule and were ranked higher than USC in the conference when they played Ohio now that there win-losses are the same shouldent you look at the size of the loss to determine who should play and not the opinion of some commentator who likes USC to decide the outcome of who schould play.
H2opro ... very nice and well put... but the reason Wisconsin isn't in this talk is cause the BcS only allows any one conference to get 2 teams into it... but if you looked at my playoff system i posted here you would see they are in it due to being #7 in the BcS ( we can all guess why BS in CAPS) in my formula it is the TOP 8 Teams no questions and if i would take it a step father in order to qualify for that you couldn't and i repeat couldn't not play a D2 school !!!!!and if you did it would count against you as a loss !!! like i said look at florida non-conference schedule the next 2 years ... in 08 the have the canes and seminoles but also have florida atl. or someone near that and the citadel ,, and next year's is worst ..... so all the gator fans should stand up and be proud of that...
BigBlue1... I realize that Wisconsin shouldnt be mentioned for the tilte game. I guess what I meant was the headline comparrison for this article. They have Louisville but not Wisconsin. What a joke. Just like everyone not giving Michigan credit for beating Wisconsin. That is really hurting Michigan right now.
H20pro - At least we made it to the game - 3 out of last 6 years - how many have you made? Any National Titles? OU has 7. Just try to make the game before your critical of how a team plays IN THE GAME!!
*****THIS IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO!*****
Florida won its Conference-the hardest in the nation by far with 5 top 25 teams and 4 top 11 teams. Michigan nor Ohio State play the quality of team UF does! They can play the Wester Carolinas becasue if they add anymore top 25 teams their schedule would be insane(it already is).There are no style point when you play in the SEC, just win!The math doesnt lie FLORIDA deserves to play OSU.( which is overrated too with their weak schedule !) Lets Look at who UF has beat then look both the others...they dont compare-UT,LSU,ARKANSAS,GA,BAMA,-it s not even close like OSU was with big ILLINOIS! and UM with ball state!
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