Bread and Circuses
by: Dudski
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Mar 15, 2008 | 4:21PM | report this
“There were years Jeter would get hit every day, it seemed, for no reason — and certainly A-Rod would be in that same position — and nothing was ever done about it,”-Hank Steinbrenner

We're getting to know Hank Steinbrenner and hopefully someday we'll dislike him the way we disliked his dad. Which is to say, oddly enough, that we'll enjoy and even come to like him as a character in the great play that is baseball.

In the last few years something has been missing in the Bronx. Listening to Hank talk I realize what it was. "The Godfather" attitude. From "the boys (re consigliaris) in Tampa", to "Torpedo Joe" Girardi, to clueless Shelley Duncan ("You want I should spike him, boss?") the arrogance is returning.

Which brings us to Joe Girardi, but more pointedly to Joe Torre. Steinbrenner's quote about Yankee batters getting hit without retaliation is the clearest single expression of why a four time world championship manager no longer has a place in the Yankee dugout.

Forget about any public discussion of wanting to bring Torre back. Steinbrenner wanted him gone. "Big time".

So what about the chin music? Casey Stengel, another long running Yankee manager, used to say "You can look it up." So I did.

Over the last four years, when the Yankees failed to get to the World Series, they had 40 more hit batsmen than Yankee pitchers hit. Outside of Randy Johnson and Javier Vazquez, no Yankee pitchers hit as many as 10 batters in a season. And yes, Derek Jeter usually got hit about a dozen times a season.

Does this mean Torre took the cannoli and left the gun?

Some things you must consider. Alex Rodriquez and Derek Jeter are new school hitters. Strap on the body armor and lean over the plate. Between them, they will get hit 40 times a season. In the bygone days of Billy Martin that Hank Steinbrenner often references as the rationale for Joe Girardi taking over the family operation, they would have been hit even more.

If you're playing CSI HBP you'll also have a hard time proving motive with Randy Johnson. This is a guy who once killed a bird with a pitch. Was Johnson backing up Yankee hitters or just throwing very hard with movement?

Flip side of this arguement is the Messina-Pettitte corollary. In 17 years Mussina has hit only 52 batters, Pettitte 37 in 13. If the HBP deficit makes Torre a milquetoast then what about Mussina and Pettitte? When they took the mound after seeing Yankee hitters knocked down why didn't they do something about it? And will they now under Girardi?

When Torre won three world championships and five pennants in six seasons, Yankee batters got hit 52 more times than their opponents. Roger Clemens was good for double digit retribution and David Cone before him. But their were many unpaid debts during the glory days.

I don't think Joe Torre is lacking in nerve. Then again, he was never exactly Mr. Excitement. Torre had the horses to phone in a division championship and he managed that way. When the RedSox arrived on the scene the AL East changed. Torre didn't and now he's a Dodger.

So what does it all mean? Will there be war in the Bronx?

The easy thing to do is be rational and think this is all just talk. But the "New" York Yankees under Hank Steinbrenner and Joe Girardi have a chip on their shoulder. When Derek Jeter or ARod goes down, someone will pay. And when the RedSox come to town they may pay twice.

Like the movie title says "There will be blood".
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slshusker
Mar 15, 2008
4:56 PM
One can only ask, "Where did Dudski come up with the idea of HBP being a Yankee win determination."
That's deep, man.
I'm sure you and Cuzzifer thought of this whilst ice fishing and sipping Yukon Jack with purple Kool Aid.

Torre's chair hadn't been wiped to remove the Rogaine residue before the team and management started throwing barbs at him. Oh well, that happens with every sports team.

ian2813
Mar 15, 2008
4:58 PM
I think the Yankees' blood rival may become the Devil Rays rather than the Red Sox the way things are going.

Dudski
Mar 15, 2008
5:13 PM
Husker-"Torre's chair hadn't been wiped to remove the Rogaine residue before the team and management started throwing barbs at him."

I've got to spend more time reading your blog and less time writing mine. That's a great line!

Dudski
Mar 15, 2008
5:13 PM
Ian-I like the Rays. They finally seem to have some direction.

blue@orange
Mar 15, 2008
5:19 PM
hit batsmen huh? im thinkin free agents like bobby abreu and jonny damon and randy johnson who left there best with there old teams. im thinkin arods anual trip to his personal abys we like to call the post season, im thinkin hitters finaly figuring out mariano rivera. never thought of the retaliation pitch. but i hate the yankees so any excuse is cool as long as their losen in the post season

ian2813
Mar 15, 2008
5:29 PM
The Rays, that's right. I keep forgetting they dropped the "Devil" from their name.

JoshQPublic
Mar 15, 2008
7:13 PM
i think hank should concentrate on winning ballgames. this yankees team will be lucky to take third.

jon_464
Mar 15, 2008
7:49 PM
You heard this here first. AL East predictions:

1. Red Sox
2. Rays 7 GB
3. Yankees 8 GB
4. Blue Jays 10 GB
5. Orioles 32 GB

The Rays will overachieve and be in the race until they fade late in the season.

Dudski
Mar 16, 2008
5:58 AM
jon_464 Speaking as an Orioles fan, I think you're being a little too optimistic.

Dudski
Mar 16, 2008
5:58 AM
Josh-I'm the only one who thinks this, but I believe letting Sheffield go was the biggest mistake the Yankees could have made. Abreu is no replacement.

Dudski
Mar 16, 2008
5:59 AM
Ian-It confuses me, too. Are they the Tampa Bay Rays (which doesn't sound right) or the Tampa Rays?

Dudski
Mar 16, 2008
6:00 AM
blue@orange-Question-who hates the Yankees more, Mets fans or RedSox fans?

blue@orange
Mar 16, 2008
6:18 AM
hmm? i get all the games of both teams, if the yankees are getting beat real bad ill watch that rather than the met game, even if the mets are in a close one. i got a lot of yankee hate. let me ask Qpublic and get back to this. GREAT question!

can i blog that? i hate to steal ideas without askin.


and as for sheffield? who you been talkin to? i think everyone agrees with you on sheffield/abreu

Last edited by blue@orange on March 16th at 6:39 AM.

Dudski
Mar 16, 2008
7:44 AM
blue@orange-Let me know when you blog that. I think that's a fun idea. I wouldn't know where to start because I'm a (gulp) Oriole fan.

blue@orange
Mar 16, 2008
7:57 AM
just posted it...........

edclinch
Mar 16, 2008
5:40 PM
Ahhh. I love baseball.

Thanks for your thoughts.

And what of Kansas?

largesisy
Mar 17, 2008
1:48 AM
I keep forgetting they dropped the "Devil" from their name. thanks for sharing! i will paste this at my forum on "LargeMingle.com". and i am happy to be called BBW=big beautiful woman by my friends on hot big people meeting club LargeMingle.com

jmoriello
Mar 17, 2008
5:00 AM
Great work on this. I spent two days trying to develop and angle on the Rays-Yanks thing for my Bottom 10 blog and drew complete blanks (had to settle for making vasectomies No. 1 on the list). Never thought of raising the Torre question.

Good research and riting, as usual.

Dudski
Mar 17, 2008
3:46 PM
Ed-"And what of Kansas?" Sounds like a question from just before the Civil War.

Dudski
Mar 17, 2008
3:48 PM
Jmoriello-Thanks. Hank Steinbrenner makes blogging easy!

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