The No-Bias, No-Hate, No-BS, All-Fun Zone
by: DownsA529
My List: All-Time Team, Los Angeles Lakers
Jun 30, 2008 | 10:33AM | report this

As I sit at home more often than not, I am usually consumed by sports. As my recent blogs have stated (vividly), though, there's nothing going on right now that would qualify as exciting. So, I decided, for the month of July (but starting today), to run a My List special. Every list in this marathon will be devoted to choosing the best players in the history of each qualified NBA franchise.

This is not a new concept for me; I tried a similar concept in a group for this site, but I abandoned it because, well, having only one active member doesn't a group make. And when I tried to bring it to the main blog pages, I was met with questions like "I'm confused. Is it just the best players, or is it single-season teams?". Let me use this space to explain what this concept is:

I have taken 29 of the NBA teams (except Charlotte, who was too new to be ranked), and chosen the best players from each position. That means that players who were never teammates would be, hypothetically, through this.

I have chosen the teams according to what a potential starting lineup would be. That could (and probably will) mean that certain greats on one team are backups, and weaker players on others starters.

Achievements with the team are paramount, obviously, but in cases where the talent pool is weak, and a player with a good career made a cameo on the team, they are included.

I then ranked the teams 1-29 according to how strong (I felt) their lineup was. So, it's not ranked based on titles.

Here are the rankings of the teams:

1. Lakers, 2. Celtics, 3. 76ers, 4. Rockets, 5. Knicks, 6. Bucks, 7. Spurs, 8. Bulls, 9. Hawks, 10. Pistons, 11. Warriors, 12. Suns, 13. Sonics, 14. Nuggets, 15. Kings, 16. Wizards, 17. Blazers, 18. Jazz, 19. Pacers, 20. Nets, 21. Cavaliers, 22. Magic, 23. Hornets, 24. Heat, 25. Mavericks, 26. Clippers, 27. Timberwolves, 28. Raptors, 29. Grizzlies

Now then, we begin the countdown with my #1 ranked team, the Los Angeles Lakers. Here is the lineup:

Starters:

PG: Magic Johnson: If I recently ranked him as the best NBA player ever (certainly open to debate, but still), he has to start here. To run a Cliff's Notes version of his career, he led the Lakers to five NBA titles and nine appearences in the Finals, won three regular season and Finals MVPs, was the all-time assists leader at the time of his first retirement, and helped reignite the NBA in the 1980s. This was the easiest position to pick here.

SG: Kobe Bryant: And now, for the hardest position to rank a starter. Both Bryant and the Logo, Jerry West, would have been great picks. In the end, Kobe wins narrowly (though I have a hunch he would allow West to start if problems arose). The reigning MVP has won multiple socring titles, helped the Lakers reach five NBA Finals, and has won three of them (we won't go into how or why, but he has three rings).

C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Kareem was already on his way to a HOF career when he was acquired by the Lakers in a blockbuster trade in 1975. He added three regular season MVPs to the three he won in Milwaukee (for a record six overall), and helped L.A. to five titles during his 15 years there. He also set the all-time scoring mark as a Laker in 1984. He now currently works for the Lakers as a special assistant.

SF: Elgin Baylor: Baylor's biggest black mark as a player (let's not discuss his tenure with the Clippers) was that he never won an NBA title, but Baylor was a legendary player who was among the first to take it airborne. He won ROY with the Minneapolis Lakers in 1959 and took the upstarts to the Finals that year. He went on to be named first team All-NBA ten times and be an 11-time All-Star. He also set an NBA Finals record (still stands) with 61 points against Boston in game 5 of the 1962 Finals. He helped Minneapolis/L.A. to eight NBA Finals overall.

PF: Wilt Chamberlain: Before you say "He's not a PF!"; there were so many great C's and fewer great PF, that I've included the C's at the PF position. Anyhow, Chamberlain wasn;t the magnificent scoring machine of his prime, but the Lakers didn't need him to be. Chamberlain showed how far he came in 1971-72, when he led the league in rebound and FG% and helped the team win 33 straight games en route to a then-record 69 victories. Overall, he led L.A. to four Finals (winning the 1972 Finals MVP).

Reserves:

PG: Gail Goodrich: Goodrich was the key scorer for the Lakers of the early 1970s, and actually helped his team land Magic when he signed with the New Orleans Jazz in 1976 (the Jazz gave up the pick that L.A. would later use on Earvin). But Goodrich was a solid player in his era. After being a bit player for the Lakers from 1965-68 and then emerging in Phoenix, Goodrich returned to L.A. in 1970, and in the Lakers' brilliant 1972 season, he led the team in PPG (25.9). He went on to average over 20 PPG in four straight seasons.

SG: Jerry West: I kinda alluded to this earlier, but West wasn't called Mr. Clutch for nothing. West personified grace and fire on the court, and was consistently brilliant for the Lakers in the 60s and early 70s. West won the first ever Finals MVP in 1969, and in doing so, is the only player from the losing team to win the award. He also won the scoring title in 1970 (the first year it was awarded on PPG average and not total points). He averaged at least 20 PPG in every season after his rookie year, and led the Lakers to nine NBA Finals and the elusive brass ring in 1972.

C: George Mikan: People today tend to forget Mikan, but in his era, he was the player of the NBA. His star was so big, Madison Square Garden famously put up "Geo Mikan vs Knicks" before one game there. Mikan was the Bill Russell of his day; he won an NBL title with the Chicago Gears, then after joining the Lakers, led them to an NBL title, and after they moved to the BAA/NBA, they won five titles in six years. Mikan won three scoring titles, and was the first player for whom the rules were changed to counter him (they widened the foul lane). That personifies dominance.

SF: James Worthy: Worthy was the spark plug for the Showtime Lakers of the 1980s. His swoops to the rack fired up the Forum crowds and his team, and Worthy always saved his very best for when it mattered the most; the playoffs. Drafted #1 overall in 1982, fresh off an NCAA crown, Worthy missed all of the 1983 playoffs with an injury. The next year, he bursted on the scene, and his zentih occured in 1988, when he won Finals MVP (he also got his only career triple-double in game 7 of that series, with 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists). For his career, he averaged 17.6 PPG and 5.1 RPG.

PF: Shaquille O'Neal: For all he has done recently to look foolish, O'Neal did have a great run with Kobe and the Lakers early in this decade. After coming from Orlando as a free agent in 1996, Shaq won his first (and only) league MVP in 2000 after Phil Jackson took over. Shaq also won the scoring title that year (going with one won in Orlando). Shaq was the unstoppable force (unless he took free throws) of those Lakers as they won three straight titles from 2000-02.

Coaches:

Head Coach: Pat Riley: Riles may have sullied his rep a bit in Miami, but as the coach of the Showtime Lakers, Riley was dominant. He won no fewer than 54 games in every full season with the team, won four titles and made eight Finals during his run. He also won COY in his final season there in 1989-90.

Assistants: John Kundla, Phil Jackson: Jackson is pretty obvious; three titles with the Lakers, five Finals berths, and nine overall titles. But Kundla was a great coach with Minneapolis, winning five titles in six years. He also is in the HOF (though it took him nearly 40 years after retiring in 1959 to get there).

Honorable Mentions:

PG Slater Martin: He did win five titles with the Minneapolis team,  but wasn't a key figure despite his HOF selection.

PF Vern Mikkelsen: Another HOFer, and a true PF, but which of the C's can you leave out here?

any Lakers from the 1990s except Shaq and Kobe: They didn't win consistently enough to get here.

There are the Lakers. Tomorrow, I'll unveil their archrivals, the Celtics.

23 Comments | Add a comment   categories: NBA, Other, Los Angeles Lakers
 
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kellyscott
Jun 30, 2008
11:18 AM
i forgot that, geo mikan vs the knicks.... hey nothing would have changed this year!!!!! only the year!!!! how bad NY was this year

Hoffman
Jun 30, 2008
11:24 AM
Downs,

Overall, I like your all-time Lakers team.

Looks like you have a lot of guys playing out of position (Wilt at PF, Shaq at PF).

If that's the case, I would have done ONE thing differently. I would have moved Kobe to shooting forward and started West at shooting guard.

Cheers.

Hoffman
Jun 30, 2008
11:25 AM
Oh, and I would have started Shaq over Wilt.

But that's all based upon guys playing out of position...

QCisco
Jun 30, 2008
12:54 PM
Boston can win more championships, but LA fans will still be in denial as to which franchise is truly the greatest.

The Celtics are the #1 franchise in NBA history.

dangerousfatman
Jun 30, 2008
12:59 PM
Downs

I can believe you left Silky off the list.

DF

tnjay
Jun 30, 2008
2:34 PM
And what about 'Doo?

banmeplease
Jun 30, 2008
5:36 PM
I think this list is supsect unless you clarify that you are ranking teams and players against their real life competition, or just statistics. I believe this is how they justified the top fifty lists, because a player like George Mikan was great during his era, I doubt he would be able to do much of anything against players of the modern era probably wouldnt even be able to make a squad. I dont think Shaq would work as a power forward either, and also do players get to be on more than one team. Kareem was a pretty damn good player for the Bucks as well.

banmeplease
Jun 30, 2008
5:43 PM
Good points Hoffman, the things is neither Shaq nor Wilt could play PF, definately not Shaq however Kareem could.

My starting five would be:

C-Kareem
PG-Magic
SG-Byron Scott (Scott made Magic better)
SF-Kobe Bryant
PF=James Worthy (undersized but we would be fine)

6th-Jerry West
7th-Wilt
8th-Michael Cooper
9th-Orlando Woolridge
10th-Travis Knight (just kidding)Elgin Baylor

Shaq doesnt make it because he will end his career playing at least half of it for other teams. Not a laker at heart.

Last edited by banmeplease on June 30th at 5:44 PM.

SKCUBOG
Jun 30, 2008
5:45 PM
DownsA, fun blog about my favorite NBA team. My picks would be a bit different, not much, but a bit.
Point Guards:
1) Magic, you are 100% right. First pick.
2) West, great shooter,great defender
West was actually a pg with Goodrich at sg.

Shooting Guards:
1)Bryant, great athlete, needs the ball
2)Goodrich, great scorer, smallish

Center:
1)Wilt, Defense and Rebounding
2)Jabbar, Ultimate scoring machine
Opted for the D and rebounding. Lack of All Star pf means Wilt must carry the load.

Shooting forward:
1)Worthy, Wilt boards, Worthy closes
2)Baylor, One on one scoring, needs the ball

Power Forward:
1)Kurt Rambis, great defender, good rebounder
2)Happy Hairston, great rebounder, good defender
True power forwards. Both were workhorses on their respective championship teams. Not showy but would be key role players. Wilts two championships came when he had strong pfs to assist on the boards.

I had the same problem you did in finding a power foward vs using one of the Lakers 4 NBA all time great centers. I mean, how do you leave Shaq or Mikan off the list??? That said, if the objective was to get the best team on the court I had to opt for two true power forwards. None of the 4 centers were capable of playing at pf effectively. Note my comments on Bryant and Baylor needing the ball. I wouldn't see them both being in the game at the same time too often.

Again, thanks for reminding me of the great players and teams of Lakers past.

Last edited by SKCUBOG on June 30th at 5:57 PM.

WrZlt
Jun 30, 2008
11:46 PM
Why didnt you put Kareem as the power forward, and Wilt as the Center? It makes more sense that way.

bromes
Jul 1, 2008
7:25 AM
Point Guard : Magic Johnson, no debate

Shooting Guard : Jerry West, Kobe needs to play at this level for AT LEAST 2-3 more years before he passes the logo

Small Forward : Kobe, more than tall enough to play the 3

Power Forward : Abdul Jabbar, out of position, sure, but id still rather have him as my power forward than kurt rambis, lets be serious

Center : Shaq, amazing how underappreciated this man is by kobe-loving laker fans... all he did was CARRY the organization to 3 straight titles, submitting 3 of the greatest finals performances ever

Bench:

Byron Scott
Michael Cooper
Wilt
Orlando Woolridge
George Mikan
Worthy

Last edited by bromes on July 1st at 7:59 AM.

Hoffman
Jul 1, 2008
8:59 AM
My final lineup:

PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: James Worthy
PF: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
C: Shaquille O'Neal (MVP Shaq, not 400 pound Shaq)

Last edited by Hoffman on July 1st at 9:00 AM.

HAVINPHUN247
Jul 1, 2008
9:04 AM
Wow, Banmeplease I can see you have very little knowledge of the game of Basketball. B scott made magig better? NEVER!!!! LOL Everybody knows that Magic made all his teammates better. The Logo backing up B scoot?? biggest mistake ever. Logo IS A STARTER FOR LIFE. I'm not even going to talk about you putting Worthy at power forward.

Ubershorty
Jul 1, 2008
9:08 AM
I would switch Mikan to PF and Shaq to C on the reserves, but otherwise it is good. I wouldn't disagree with moving Kobe to SF and West into the starting lineup. The Celtics got 11 of their championships when the league wasn't very good. The Lakers have had the greatest players ever.

Last edited by Ubershorty on July 1st at 9:12 AM.

edelway
Jul 1, 2008
1:15 PM
WELL SINCE IT IS BEST PLAYERS EVER AND CLEARLY NOT ALL ARE BY POSITION I WOULD HAVE
PG MAGIC HANDS DOWN
SG KOBE HANDS DOWN IMAGINE MAGIC DISHING TO KOBE WOW
SF KAREEM I KNOW BUT SHAG AND WILT WERE BIGGER IN STATURE
PF WILT
C SHAG OPPOSING TEAMS WOULD NOT GET A REBOUND AND WOULD HAVE TO SHOOT FROM OUTSIDE ALL DAY WHO IS GOING TO BRING IT TO THE HOLE WITH SHAG WILT AND KAREEM DOWN LOW LOL

Mo Malone
Jul 1, 2008
1:39 PM
Shaq and O'neal aren't powerforwards ####. James Worthy was a powerforward and Shaq would be on the all-time first team although it would be incredibly close between Kareem and Chamberlain. Who cares about Mikan. Sure he could score on 6'6" guys that weigh 195.

RJCWA13
Jul 1, 2008
1:40 PM
Shaq would dominate Kareem in their primes. Wilt would be my starting Power forward. If I could, I would play Kareem at Small Forward. Kobe hands down at Shooting Guard and Magic at the point. But, I would probably play James Worthy at the Small forward instead of Kareem. Kareem would be coming off the bench for me and he would play a lot especialy when Shaq picks up those quick silly offensive fouls in the 1st quarter.

Peace!

RJC

BushwoodCountryClub
Jul 1, 2008
6:24 PM
Starting Five:

PG Magic Johnson - Greatest PG of all time. Could do anything needed (includng playing defense) that was nessesary to win.

SG Kobe Bryant - Closest thing to Jordan the Lakers have ever had.

C Kareem Abdul Jabbar - By far the most complete center to ever put on a Laker jersey.

PF Karl Malone - Although he only played one season, in his prime, he is by far the greatest PF if we are to list those that have worn purple & gold.

SF James Worthy - Big Game James was lightning quick and nobody finished the fast break better. Ask Larry Bird and the rest of the Celtics.

Reserves:
C Wilt Chamberlain - Hall of Famer, enough said.

C Shaq Oneal - Very dominating in his prime.

C/F Mychal Thompson - Played better defense then Wilt and Shaq. Ability to guard players like McHale make him nessesary.

F Elgin Baylor - Hall of Famer, enough said.

F Jamal Wilkes - Silk was deadly from the outside and was a much better defender then people gave him credit for.

G Michael Cooper - Mr Lock Down back in the 80s when defense was not the style of play. Above average 3-point shooter and of course the Coop a Loop.

G Jerry West - The Logo. One of the greatest shooters to ever play.

This team has no weakness and I welcome any Celtic, Piston, 76er, or Spur fan to create a team that could beat these guys.

Head Coach - Pat Riley. Jackson has more jewerly but Riles is the greatest Lakers coach.

BushwoodCountryClub
Jul 1, 2008
6:27 PM
Shaq would not dominate Jabbar. Kareem would have Shaq in foul trouble and Shaq could nver run the floor with the Captain. Shaq might push Kareem around under the basket but Jabbar's sky hook would punish Oneal.

ginjerry
Jul 1, 2008
8:01 PM
ok how bout a sixers team of chamberlain, moses, barkley, dr. j & iverson....deal with that

SKCUBOG
Jul 2, 2008
7:20 AM
I note a lot of comments on putting one of the 4 centers at power forward. The problem is getting any of them to alter their game enough to make that effective. On paper I would love to have Wilt and Jabbar on the the court at the same time. Problem is that both were relatively traditional, back to basket, centers. I just think they would be getting in each others way.

SKCUBOG
Jul 2, 2008
7:21 AM
I note a lot of comments on putting one of the 4 centers at power forward. The problem is getting any of them to alter their game enough to make that effective. On paper I would love to have Wilt and Jabbar on the the court at the same time. Problem is that both were relatively traditional, back to basket, centers. I just think they would be getting in each others way.

canyondave
Jul 2, 2008
2:12 PM
Isn't it amazing that a team has had so much talent that Jerry West, a first ballot Hall of Famer is on the second String unit!

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