What I hear so often to describe Barry Bonds is not how amazing he is, or how he would have blown away pitching back when Babe Ruth played, but how he must have cheated to become this good.
When people talk about the end of Roger Clemens' career, all I hear is how he must have had help doing what he has done.
Enough already.
One thing the people who actually played in the last 20 years with these two men would know is how amazing their feats have been. Forget the cheating stuff because it's all nonsense anyway. It's never been proven that taking anything, whether it be steroids or vitamins, can make you into a Hall of Famer. If it were, more players and non-players would be lining up to #### every pill on the planet.
What we should be doing instead of bashing greatness, is appreciating it for what it is. When Barry is gone and Roger throws his last pitch, two of the greatest players that ever played will be gone.
Let me just tell you from listening to the critics what they haven't really said: To play today, you have to face the world's best every day. Do you think the Babe, smoking and drinking the way he did back in the day, would've survived today's best? Have you ever seen Barry and Roger work out? I have, and that's why today's ballplayers should get way more respect then they do.
Pills don't make the players. Hard work, passion and a huge gift from God make the players. Let's just love the game in 2006. Stop the hating.
I would second that, but my crusade against Clemens and others is to prove a point which is that people hate Bonds but give other players with similar feats a free pass. The players will tell you what Barry does is nothing short of phenomenal and they know it. YOu are right on that point!
Roger is also a phenom with God given talent. Until either man has a positive test for steroids, which neither do, they will both go into the HOF and without an asterisk.
And Babe hit HR's to a very short RF, 295 feet to be exact. Bonds would have 80 in a season with that foul line.
I assume Dibble is your favorite player.
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Rob..... You are right, Right now I would put Barry Bonds in the top 5 All Time category. Though the reason everyone is down on him and he is not in my top 3 category is 2 reasons.....Attitude.....and....... Mouth ! God rest his soul his father was almost the same way, They both acted like they were bigger then the game. As a Young child in 1981 I once was looking at the back of a Bobby Bonds Baseball card and I asked my Dad, " Why has he played for so many teams ? My dad said, " Because his teamates dont like his attitude". It had to be pretty bad to pass up on a guy who hits 35 hrs and steals 50 bases. Look, Barry just needs to treat this game like a privlige, not a burden. I just got back from Cooperstown for the first time, For me it was just a privlige to be there in the presence and honor of those Baseball greats.
Hey, I'm with socal on this. People get a pass, people get thrown under the buss. Whais the criteria for who survives the steroids black eye and who doesn't ? Giambi got a pass, Raffy got hung out to dry. And as I posted in my Curt Schilling Was on 'Roids blog, pitchers weren't trying to bulk. Pitchers were using steroids more for muscle recovery, fatigue and to help remedy injury. There is more than one kind of steroid. It's silly to think just b/c someone isn't ripped, they aren't on the juice-- exhibit 1-9 of the guys that got busted last year were all tiny, save Raffy.
Maybe you should look at your icon, Double Dibble Dribble, look at his temper, mood swings and dome size back in the 80's and 90's... You tell me he wasn't on the juice ?
Dibble, I see you are still a complete ####. Praising Barry Bonds? One of the most infamous cheats and biggest bags of foul air the game has ever seen? Please, spare us. The sooner he leaves the better. And to even compare what he's doing to the Rocket and his acheivements is just flat wrong. Last time I checked, Roger has never been accused of being anything other than a work-out freak.
Rob, you are still showing the same contrary, insecurity you showed as a Red. Remember getting into a fight with Lou P. and the ball you launched into the left-center field seats, hurting someone in the process? Makes a guy wonder whether or not you know a little TOO much about juicing to A. pull a stunt like that and B. stick up for the cancer, aka Barry Bonds. Get a grip Dibble!
You think Roger is a work out freak, you should watch Barry sometime. Now I have never seen Roger work out so I cannot really comment on his work outs but I have been blessed with the opportunity to watch Barry work out and it's extremely hard for me to think that anyone could work out harder than him. I got the chance to see him work out while I was visiting a friend who played for San Mateo JC, which is where Barry (Sheff also joined him that year) works out in the offseason. I got there at 9 AM and he was already there out on the field running. After he got his conditioning in, about 45 minutes or so, he hit the batting cages. He spent about an hour in the cage then went out to the field for live BP, which lasted for about another hour or so. He then went in to eat lunch for a little over an hour. After lunch he hit the weights. Steroids or not, Barry loves the weight room and spent an easy 2 and half hours lifting. All the while Sheff is working along side him. After they were done lifting, they went back onto the field for some agility drills and a cool down jog. Now I only worked out with my friend that one day but I didn't leave that day until Bonds and Sheff left at about 4 PM and my friend said thats how long they work out, everyday. So I know Roger is the one with the great workout rep but try watching Barry for a day and you can't help but be impressed.
Defending Barry Bonds? This man has single-handedly killed the game of baseball. Not only is he a cheat, but he is a pompous #### too. The quicker this man leaves the game, the faster it can heal.
Anyone who says juicing does not make you a Hall of Famer is naive. Juicing won't get you in outright It sure doesn't hurt. Take a man that can hit a ball 350 feet and then give him some steroids and then see how far he can hit it. He's a cheat, right along side McGwire and Sosa. Except they are at least humble to a point. Bonds doesnt have a humble bone in his body.
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It will only take time for ALL people to realize the true greatness of Barry Bonds. Maybe five years, maybe ten, maybe twenty years.
Numbers don't lie! Barry Bonds has the best offensive numbers ever. AND what if he was pitched to the past five years? What would his numbers of been then?
Everyone has to remember that MLB stopped pitching to Barry since 2001. How many at-bats has Bonds lost to intentional walks? What would his numbers of been then? Its a scary thought to ponder.
All in all, Barry Bonds is the greatest offensive force to have ever played the game of baseball. The numbers dont lie!
As usual Dibble has managed to overlook any wrongdoing a "player" may do in order to legitimize the "sanctity" of the pro athlete. Well you know what Rob, I won't miss Barry when he's gone and I hope he dosen't have the record. However, I say let him have it with a great big asterisk next to it because if juicing up is so irrelevant to power than why do these athletes risk so much to take them. Go sell your blow to somebody who buys it!! Nobody needs to prove what can be deduced by common sense, I suggest you try to use some.
Nobody is questioning his work ethic. Fact is, if your stupid enough to take the physical risk of using roids your a fool not to work very hard to maximize there effect!
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Pretty sharp comments - Good thing the game is bigger than the individual - as much as some don't want to acknowledge or haven't known what true love of the game is... I think if you left a negative comment you totally missed the point of Dib's post. Lets love the game huh - Props Rob
Mr. Dibble's article is a breath of fresh air.
Rob like most athletes knows something that the sports gossips and members of congress don't. There is nothing you can put on or in your body whether it's a pill a cream or an injection that will make you hit major league pitching. Big muscles do not equal big homerun totals or Ted Kluezewski and Frank Howard would have homered more than Willy Mays. Barry Bonds may be cocky and arrogant and you may hate him for that but he is also the best baseball player of the last two decades and one of the best of all time. People have got to get over the Babe Ruth myth. The guy played 80 years ago. There isn't any other major sport that doesn't acknowledge that todays athletes are bigger, faster, stronger and better than those of the past except baseball. Lets be honest we aren't worried about young peoples health
or congress would have gone after the muscle magazine publishers and the WWE. This is all about the homerun records. That's why pitchers are not included in the steroid witch hunt. Anyone who wants to put an asterisk next to Bonds accomplishments should put an asterisk next to Ruth's stats and note that they were compiled in an all-white league.
All the people who go around bashing Barry Bonds are nothing but jealous, ignorant pricks who don't know what the hell they're talking about. Barry Bonds has never tested positive for steroids and until he does, instead of criticizing him, you sould praise him because he's the greatest player EVER. The numbers speak for themselves, 7 MVPs, 500/500 club, etc. For all of you claiming that Babe Ruth was the best? Let me ask you this? How many of you have actually SEEN Babe Ruth play? You honestly think Ruth can go around hitting the pitchers today any better than Bonds? I highly doubt it. And for those of you who say that steroids is cheating? What about taking 'greenies' which is a much bigger problem in baseball then steroids. So how is one illegal drug considered cheating while another illegal drug isn't? If 'greenies' weren't performance enhancing, then why do so many major leaguers take them? For all you haters, you ask how many of his homeruns are steroid induced? Maybe the better question is how many homeruns has he hit against PITCHERS using steroids?
Jose Canseco admits that he wouldn't have had a career if he didn't do steroids. Of course people on steroids work out like monsters, that goes hand in hand. Ask Governor Arnold. I say all athletes should submit a sample of blood, and it should be tested 5 - 10 years down the road when the tests catch up with todays cheaters. The cheaters are always ahead of the game. Barry Bonds does not deserve to hold Babe Ruths or Hank Aarons jock. Babe Ruth , may not have been in shape, but he was a better pitcher then Dibble ever was, and a better player then Balco Bonds is, and the Babe was a winner ... I say no to the HOF for Balco Barry, no to other cheaters like McGuire, Plmiero, and let's not forget Mr. Corked bat himself Sammy So So ... If Pete can't in because he bet on his team to win, these guys should all be left out too !
No it hasn't been proven that Bonds used steroids. But this isn't a court of law. There's a classic test of common sense that most people apply when they look at these ballooning major leaguers with their ballooning stats. Douglas Adams said it best, "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." Believe me, Bonds, McGwire and Palmiero are quacking up a storm.
Then why would MLB (and the IOC, and the NBA, and the NFL, and...) test for steroids? And why would players juice...to look good in the locker room? Take your head out of the sand, Robby. You're trying to tell us that steroids can't improve a players bat speed? Increased bat speed turns a foul ball (when the batter is .00002 seconds late on a pitch) into a long drive (when the batter is right on the pitch).
Bottom line, steroids enhance athletic performance...whether it's the great Barry Bonds or the not-so-great Alex Sanchez. This article is lunk-headed, former-jock, player-apologist nonsense. And your argument is the kind I expect from some drunk SF Giants fan at the end of a long night of listening to Barroid Bonds bashing.
"[If steroids enhanced performance] more players would be lining up to #### every pill on the planet." - Classic garbage. Next time, get somebody else to ghostwrite your column, Dibbs.
the concept of common sense is a misnomer. its extremely subjective depends on personal experience and prejudice. there is no collective consciousness out there feeding all of us the same information. at one time it was common sense that women werent smart enough to vote and thats blacks were only 3/4's human. so pardon me if i dont buy your 'common sense' theory. the fact is that you cant prove anything and so youre common sense is actually just empty conjecture. even if he did utilize an enhancement - it wasnt illegal at the time. everything they can detect is listed by name and made illegal. they make laws as such. it is then "common sense" that anything undetectable at the time of the test is then legal.
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The reason a player KEEPS using steroids is to heal in half the time ( Skeletal-muscular)and to promote longevity so....
If the pompuss, bigmouthed, horses #### used steroids then HE CHEATED! Period!( The Babe might have been a fat drunk but I never heard about Him using illegal drugs!and anyway most of My Friends are fat drunks!So I would have enjoyed tipping a few with the Babe but I'd end up punching out Barry.)
Any drug that can keep You playing long after a normal person wears out is flat out wrong and is cheating some college-level player out of a chance
to come up to the big show.
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Just because it is chemically altered to make it undetectable does not mean it is not an illegal steroid. If you don't detect cocaine being smuggled into the US, it's still illegal to do so. Not getting caught is not the same as not breaking the law.
By the way DaVaal--McGwire and Palmiero are just as guilty, so don't compare me to racists of the past. Those things were never common sense because there was never even circumstantial evidence that they were true. People said they were true because it was convenient, advanced their goals and made them money. Who said these racist statements were true? The weathly and powerful. Ask yourself, who are the wealthy and powerful in this situation, me or baseball (I'll give you a hint: it's not me)
Steroid use in baseball has been an equal opportunity drug. This is not a court of law, I wouldn't want to put the guy in jail even if he shot up on TV. But if you hang out with BALCO, put the drugs on your body (even if you didn't "know" you were doing so) and balloon to Pro-Wrestler status, I think you're guilty. Quack, quack.
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Man you guys hating on Barry Bonds are worse than the Fox media crew covering the Katrina Evacuees. Those media people and you haters have the same blood in your body. Its not your fault, its in your genetic makeup to be natural born blood suckers. No matter what the situation is you guys will find a way to discredit a man. And that is outright wrong. For someone to be as succesful and do something that no one has ever done is great in my book and deserves recognition. But it amazes me to hear people say that he is the worse thing to ever happen to baseball. If you ask me he is the best thing that happend to baseball. Some people arguing that he is the best ever, and some people arguing that he is the worst ever is strange to me. Whoever is wrong on this subject is dead wrong. And I know for sure that I am not dead wrong. The proof is in the pudding. The worst thing that happened to baseball if you ask me is RACISM. Thats why this country will never prosper or reach its full potential. Because the people with the real attitude problems are in charge, and have the nerve to point their crooked fingers.
Crab, agree with you to a point. but we're putting the cart before the horse here. Circumstantial evidence can incriminate him, but it shouldnt be used to condemn him. that takes real proof. Until we have real proof that he did something illegal, we should leave the man alone. Common sense depends on the experience of the observer - who may or may not have his own issuues. his judgement shouldnt be trusted wholly.
until he's proven to be juiced, he shouldnt be called juiced. everyone month our court system lets someone off who was proven beyond a 'reasonable doubt' to be guilty. surely, we can extend the same privelege to Mr Bonds.
You are an accuser of Barry Bonds. Remember that what you are saying are accusations not facts. And Hank Aaron only stands as an example that the feat can be accomplished without steroids. Don't hate the player hate the game. If the game is crooked the players just might get a little crooked. You guys should start hating Balco or Victor Conte, the man who went to prison for issuing this drug to top athletes in a variety of sports. Lets talk about Marion Jones, a woman that has done amazing things in the olympics. Balco claimed that they gave her the juice (performance enhancer) but she never failed a test ( she took about 180 tests ). Why did they say that about her. Well to make a long story short, she did the right thing and took a lie detector test to prove that she was not lying. The test proved that she was not lying. She offered the same test to the person that said they gave her the juice and they declined. In fact she set up a $25 million dollar lawsuit against Victor Conte and Balco and they recently settled out of court. Who won that case? Marion Jones did. By the way Victor Conte went to jail and it was known that he conspired to give his drug to a long list of top athletes. Marion Jones went on record to say that she did not want to deal with the man Victor Conte, But this man Victor Conte Tryed rigoursly to deal with Marion Jones. He was on a mission to discredit someone that has acheived greatness through skill. Sickening.
Yea, DrCrab, it was only a matter of time, when you have no other insight it's easy to throw in the race card!! Dibbs, are you saying we should respect these "men" because of their workout habits. The problem I have with any number of players that "allegedly" used steroids, McGuire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Bonds etc... is that they "disrespected" the game, the competition that didn't "juice" and history itself, for what reason? Money? Fame? Did they not all already achieve that by simply getting to the position they're in. MLB is the ultimate culprit here because they stuck their collective heads in the sand and thought nobody would notice or care that the game was tainted! Obviously, people did notice and do care, enough so that the government had to get involved. Nice going "boys"!
DaVaal, on the common sense issue, was OJ really not guilty! The make up of common sense is that the "whole" given the facts at hand, can make a judgement!
DaVaal--I know what you mean by accusing somebody of being juiced. But since this is a sports blog site I kind of went by the "I'll say whatever I'd say in a bar" rule, which might not be fair to Bonds or other major leaguers. I'll still probably say it though, even though it's not fair (let's be honest.)
Foozle--gotta agree about MLB. These owners are the most desperate underhanded group of weasels in the country. And speaking of racism, isn't it convenient that everybody turned a blind eye when McGwire was breaking records? The whole thing sucks, and baseball is the most messed up of the three majors.
The racism argument is a tired and lazy attempt to try and legitimize Barry Bonds' career post 1998. Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were celebrated in 1998 (coincidence that Bonds got bulkier after the McGwire/Sosa show?) because America wanted to love baseball again. The strike of 94/95 still resonated, and we needed to feel good about baseball again. McGwire even caught #### for copping to taking Andro that season, and now he's a punch-line after his pathetic display in front of Congress.
Remember 1961. Roger Maris was booed AT HOME while charging to 61 homers. Partly because he was the "wrong guy" to break the record (Mickey Mantle being the "right guy") and partly because the 8 games added to the season gave an advantage to Maris over Ruth. Baseball has always been a game where stats and legends are revered...more so than any other sport. If the fans feel that you are tarnishing either one of those, regardless of what race you are, prepare to feel their wrath.
Well we all know that Barry Bonds took steroids based on the leaked grand jury testimony. Whether he knew what he was taking is a whole seperate issue, although I find it hard to believe that someone that works out as rigorously as Bonds doesn't know what is going into his body.
Steroids or not, Bonds' greatness is undeniable. He was the best hitter of his generation. Period. He is among the greatest pure hitters of all time. His monster shot off of a 97 mph high and tight fastball by Troy Percival in the 2002 World Series was one of the most impressive home runs that I've ever seen.
Despite this greatness, his numbers are helped by steroids. Saying there's no proof that steroids don't help statistics in baseball is downright naive. Bonds hit 73 home runs, McGwire hit 70 and Sosa hit 66 during the peak of the steroids era. With the crack down of home runs, only Andruw Jones topped 50 home runs, with 51. Nobody topped 50 in 2004 or 2003. In 2001, 4 players topped 50 home runs. Come on, don't play us for fools.
Steroids have inflated his statistics. They have allowed him to play a number of extra seasons at his continued high level of play longer than he would have without them. The most revered records in sports were 61 (or 60, depending on who you ask) and 755. Barry Bonds has obliterated 73 and is on his way to passing 755. These numbers are tainted and the relevance of home run records has gone from the most important record in sports to the most controversial records in sports. That is why we hate Barry Bonds.
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Saying there's no proof that steroids don't help statistics in baseball is downright naive.
There is no proof. What you're doing is speculating, or using educated guesses. But, just like when people claim that there is a God or Gods, there is no tangible evidence that steroids by themselves improve performance 100% of the time. They are, after all, made by humans who are imperfect by nature.
A lot of things have to go right for steroid use to even work the way it's intended to. Physical activity, nutrition, and the body's response to those two must be carefully monitored. There's no guarantee that a player popping 'roids will go from a .250 hitter to a .300 hitter, or from a 15 HR hitter to a 50 HR hitter. You can speculate all you want, but until you connect Point A to Point B, it's all conjecture. And that's not being naive, that's a need to associate evidence with claims, just like in the court of law.
I agree. I grew up watching guys like Steve Garvey, Dave Parker, Mike Schmidt, Ken Griffey Sr., Pete Rose, etc. I loved baseball then and I love it today. Barry Bonds is a great player and should be remembered for his hits, stolen bases, and jacks out of the park. He was walked more times in one season than anyone in history. Give him his day in Cooperstown, which is where he belongs.
A true fan of the game, Steve Gilbert.
Barry's best friend and former trainer (Gym rat)was/is Greg Anderson. Anderson's car license plate read; 'W8 GURU'
What's up with that tag? Essential fats & vitamin sales?
When the the IRS and DEA searched Greg's residence they discovered anabolic steroids, Growth Hormones, cash and athlete doping records.
Doping & game fixing are the worst forms of sporting fraud. They are secret, zealously denied, and never fully disclosed to the public--or even amongst the players.
The entire sporting process has become a lotto outcome. The biggest doper, with the best drugs and/or best lifescience firm, may be the greatest record holder. That is not a level field.
From my post of a week or so ago, a small cottage industry has grown. What has been lost on all the ninnies prattling on around here is the fact my post wasn't as much about the steroids as it was that Bonds is a pompous #### for his comments concerning Ruth.
Add to that the asinine posts from socalsportsfan that heralded Bonds as the greatest player ever and you get to where this site is today.
That poser socal claimed that Bonds’ 7 gold gloves proved part of Bonds’ greatness while he righteously claimed Ruth didn’t have any. When in fact, that award wasn’t even created until 1957, 20 years after Ruth’s exit from the game. That same #### touted Bonds intentional walks, when that to wasn’t tracked until 1955. You have far too many charlatans masquerading as knowledgeable sports enthusiasts around here.
According to the socal dolt, Ruth’s .342 lifetime average wasn’t as good as Bond’s .300! Bonds, to him, was still the better batter. He holds this “opinion” even though Bonds has 400 fewer RBIs, 130 fewer hits and 100 fewer runs scored. This imbecile is actually claiming to be a teacher! His rationale; Yankee stadium’s short porch.
Pitching not as good as today? Go ask Koufax who got to see most of them.
The point is Bonds may well pass Ruth and Aaron in home runs. He will NEVER be a better player. Steroids, just adds to his tattered image.
Baf, I agreed with you then, and I agree with you now. Bonds may well have the most HR's when all is said and done, but the greatest player??? Hey, do they have a Bonds league out there? Says here, the fact we continue to put all the games greats up against Ruth and they come up short, shows how remarkable a player he was.
re: Barry being Barry and his wacky comments about the Babe.
Barry is certainly no worse than Ron Dibble is with his jerky doping apologies on behalf of MLB and his full-time shill work for the general sports industry.
While these remarks certainly do not qualify Bonds as a truth teller, when compared with athletes such as Lance Armstrong, and his drug convicted personal physician, Michele Ferrari, and his alumni USPO teammates (Tyler Hamilton, Roberto Heras, Benoit Joachim) all five cheats are now confirmed dopers, Barry appears quite likeable.
Barry DOES NOT deny using illegal drugs. Instead, he choses not to discuss his personal use or that of his longtime friend and now convicted drug dealer, Greg Anderson (W8 GURU)
Not true with Lance & Tyler (both also Nike endorsed athletes) Despite tremendous evidence of blood doping and steroids, lab tests, certified documents, sealed coded samples, and the understanding of numerous warnings and 'free doping passes' by both the UCI cycling federation and TDF promoters and the IOC, these cheaters continue to publicly lie on behalf of their corporate sponsors--and at the expense of consumers and sports fans alike. Even the Cancer community (Drug Market) is tricked by lack of full disclosures.
Winning, deception and corporate profits all seem linked at this level. btw: Nike seems to sponsor all the cheats
hey rob i loved this straight from the heart article about bonds and clemens. two of the greatest talents to grace a diamond. people should view their accomplishments as special not boosted by something other than natural. what they've accomplished hasn't been because of anything but pure determination to be the best. i love both players and your article.
Though I doubt you actually read your comments, congratulations to you and everyone else on Best Damn on the 1,000th show. Certainly an accomplishment.
I'm sick and tired of the bonds bashing and people asking if whether barry would get in the hof when he retires. Newsflash, before he was the slugger, let's also remeber he was also a speedster, the lone member of the 500-500 club.
as for clemens, your exactly right, and the reason clemens has been in great shape, is until this offseason he was constanly working out, alot like ryan did.
Also i would like to add, of next year that ripken and gwynn don't get in unamiously, the bwaa should be dismanteled as ripekn and gwynn were ambassodors for mlb, and before the summer of mcgwire and sosa, ripken kept baseball in the forefront with his games played streak.
Ripken, Jr. and Gwynn will be first-ballot Hall of Famers. They have done nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to prove otherwise, so I will be completely floored if either of them doesn't get in on the first try.
I'm pretty sure that in the last 20 years that every sports star has used some sort of enhancing drug. If you look at the medications sold over the counter some of these contain banned substances. Look at the Olympian who failed drug testing for Rogaine!
With advances in nutrition, health care, and technology of course the human race is going to be stronger, faster, and live longer.
In the military you get tested for anything yet there are guys who would put Mark, Barry, Roger, Jose all to shame with what they can do after age 40. It's called training and doing it every day for over 20 years!
I know it's a hard concept to follow for the common couch potato but it really does work!
Rob I agree with you. and to all of you who think Barry has "ruined the game" SHUT UP give the greatest hitter of all time a break. and yes I said the greatest hitter of all time. there are not many players that change a teams defense like bonds. When Barry leaves baseball will never recover. and when he breaks the homerun record this year I will cheer for him and be glad.
This is ridiculous! To suggest that Barry Bonds - like his other STEROID CASE buddy Mark McGuire - is anything other than a STEROID USER is absolutely unbelieveable! NOONE, and I mean NOONE, gains 30 pounds of muscle over a single winter without the use of an extensive quantity of STEROIDS!!! Have you people lost your minds or what? Check any bodybuilding stage and compare, those who use share the traits that Bonds demonstrates, from the paper-thin skin to the HGH-expanded shoulder width! You're a clown to suggest that the BIG FAT CHEATER is anything other than a STEROID CASE!!! Anyone who won't admit that he's a BIG FAT CHEATING STEROID CASE is nothing more than a blind fool, and this IS the voice of experience talking. Barry Bonds, STEROID CASE!!! Step up to the plate and be a man for a change and admit it Barry, you BIG FAT WHINING STEROID CASE!!!
At first, I thought this wasn't actually the real Rob Dibble. But the links prove that Rob Dibble has entered the blogging nation.
I look forward to reading your opinions...and hopefully engaging in some good discussions.
Rob, you have had opinions that I haven't always agreed with...but I give you credit for always speaking your mind. And kudos for entering this forum...I think it shows a lot of class on your part. There are many blogging bashers out here, I am interested to see how they react to the real Rob Dibble.
I have to say that Bafongu is first of all and above all a lier. He quotes statistics which are blatantly false. He does not quote complete statistics such as Babe had a short RF fence to pump all of his HR's into, and lastly he must not be able to read because my post in no way says Bonds was better than Ruth. Of course he would not know what a modern day baseball player is because he talks about Koufax as if he pitched to the Babe. Different eras ####. Bonds is the greatest hitter in the Modern Era, not the old time era when the tired arms pitched. IF you believe Koufax pitched to Babe Ruth, then I guess you will believe anything.
What a load of ####!- Barry Bonds is a proven cheater! Even if you beleive the B.S. line that he wasn't aware that he was taking steroids, the fact of the matter is that he did- I played B-Ball and football in college- and I played with guys who roided up- And I can tell you, from up close personal observation, that steroids definitely impact the individuals performance- Increased strength, faster recovery, (and often overlooked but very important)increased confidence/sense of invincibility change the playing field for the users, and puts non users at a disadvantage- I love the game(s), but don't tell me I have to accept/embrace the cheaters!!
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I see what you are saying Rob but as a former player you know how beat up and tired you get from a 162 game season from, traveling, exercising, hotels, etc. There is still a valid debate as to whether Steroids can help you hit a ball farther or harder but so I will grant you that argument, but there is no doubt that they can help you recover quickly from the daily grind, and that is the root of my problem, and I think most fans, with Barry and the other steroid users. That is considered cheating and having an unfair advantage is not permitted in sports. It is part of that sportmanship thing we have forgotten about.
Also, leaked court documents stated clearly that Barry used or ingested steroids provided by BALCO or one of his friends or trainers. The only question is whether or not he knew about it. That is what the argument should be.
I understand why you are defending him and I can appreciate that. As a former player and especially now as a journalist, you need to be careful and on good terms professionally and you probably like Barry personally.
But it is more important to be honest and admit the truth than to protect the guilty. I thought only politicians and lawyers did that.
Dibbs- Let me spell it out to you-----cheaters should be allowed to participate. This is true to Raffi, Bonds, Mark McGwire, lance armstronge. These men did not compete with natural ability but they gained so much more with the use of other resources. Ask your self this question, would these men have been able to attain the same performance levels without additional support. If not then its same as saying big over weight men should be allowed to wear bras's to support their specific body parts.
I agree with a portion of what you said. However, many professional athletes, are not paid to be athletes, but "performers". It also seems that many prefer the respect of big paychecks as opposed to the respect of the fans. Arrogance runs rampant.
Rob Dibble was named a full-time co-host of BEST DAMN SPORTS SHOW PERIOD in April 2005. The outspoken, all-star reliever is a perfect fit for the most irreverent sports show on television.
Dibble, who is best known as one of the Reds' hard throwing "Nasty Boys," along with Norm Charlton and Randy Myers, won a World Series with the Reds in 1990.
