Hopefully Congress Will Take Its Sweet Time Investigating Clemens so That Bush, The Other Texas Con Man, Won't Have The Ability To pardon him for perjury....
W#### cares that Roger Clemens is an ####, he has always been a bit of a buffoon...remember Terry Cooney, the bat throwing incident, the defiant staring at the Press Box in Fenway...the old Texas Con Man as the late Great Will McDonough used to call him has done it again...The pampered athlete is looking a bit unsure of himself right about now.....Roger Clemens cannot be telling the truth for the following reasons:
1. In Clemens last two years in Boston his innings, strikeouts, wins and pitch counts were all way down, he had gained a lot of weight and appeared tired and pretty much past his prime. Now I know that the popularized version is that Roger, ever the fierce competitor, sucked it up while motivated by the slight of Dan Duquette, and rejunevated himself into a repeat Cy Young winner and World Series Champ....of course all of that is #### because we know that he became leaner, more flexible and stronger because of a workout regimine aided by the illegal use of Human Growth Hormone (HGH). PLEASE DO NOT BE FOOLED...THE USE OF ANY PRESCRIBED SUBSTANCE WHETHER BANNED BY BASEBALL OR NOT IS ILLEGAL.....So as if the Baseball Gods had shined approvingly upon the "greatest pitcher of all time" and made him young again....Halleleuiah...a miracle right in front of mine own eyes.... His innings went up, he strike out legions of American League hitters, he was returned to the top of his game as if by magic...well at the time he pointed to Mr. McNamee and credited him for the legendary workout he'd devised. Whatever the reason, though, he became effective beyond anyone's wildest dreams and man he showed the Red Sox...hell it is likely that his departure caused the early demise of Duquette's once bright future as a young and forward thinking GM....Duquette simply acknowledged what everyone in the world knew....when Roger left Boston he was a shell of the Roger of '86-93....that was not a debatable point. Buy hey miracles do happen...right?
2. If the fact of the new and improved Roger isn't enough (ask yourself first if it was enough for Barry Bonds, why not the Rocket)...let's examine the claims of his trainer. The Mitchell investigators were not specifically asking about Clemens, McNamey volunteered that information. If he lied, naming Roger or not, he was subjected to a Federal indictment and almsot sure incarceration. So why name Roger if it wasn't true....But how can we measure the "he said ....she said" on this one? Well let's go to the pudding, they say the proof is always in there. Was he right about Knoblauch? Petite? Debbie Clemens? Yes, yes and yes...He described the times, the dates and the manner of the injections which is far far more than what anyone knows about Bonds and yet everyone is screaming for Barry's head on a platter (myself included). He gave specific information ALL of which has been admitted to by the others he named, all of it including the revelation that he injected Mrs. Clemens...gotta admit she was ripped on the SI cover don't you? Not too many moms look like that after the litter of kids these folks had....but I digress, Roger's wife is allowing Roger's trainer to inject her in Roger's bedroom and we are supposed to believe that she must have just assumed that McNamee just so happened to have HGH on him...How did Debbie Clemens even know that McNamee had this stuff to begin with? Must have just come up in casual conversation I guess. Laughable how idiotic this guy's defense has been, even those tired old guys on Capitol Hill saw right through it. Roger cheated and he got caught. Imagine what you would have said to one of your closest friends on the phone after you learned that the guy fingered you to the authorities for something you did not do...You would have ripped the guy a new one, you would have called him a lying piece of #### and you would not have equivocated about that...well what did Clemens say..."hey buddy, what's up?" HA,,,,what a load of horseshit. Clemens, that weasel, called his so-called buddy and said nothing, called him no names, didn't challenge him one time and all the while this so-called hero was secretly taping the guy.....a REAL hero would have taken a very different approach and it might have landed him in the can for a few weeks but Mr. McNamey would need the services o####ood dentist....Clemens did not challenge McNammey on the tape because Clemens knew what he was going to hear in return..."I DID tell the truth Rog...."
3. Clemens would have you believe that he NEVER heard from his wife that she was injected? Are you kidding me? That is laughable and completely idiotic.
4. Andy Pettite remembers all of it and he has testified that Roger DID it, that he bragged about it and that he reccomended it to others.
5. Chuck Knoblauch also remembers that Roger reccomended the stuff to him.
6. There are items of physical evidence like the syringes and cotton swabs that purportedly contain Clemen's DNA.
7. McNamee told Mitchell that he caused a subcutaneous abcess...uh oh...guess what sport's fans Roger was treated for that abcess in Tampa right where and when McNamee said he #### up an injection.
You would have to have no mind not to believe that Clemens is a liar, his lawyers obviously have no control over him because whether he is indicted or not is not the issue, he has certainly exposed himself to indictment and would not have done so had he simply denied the claims and then said no more.
Clemens should be disgraced and his records should be asterisked the same way that white America has suggested that Barry Bonds' records should be tarnished. Anything short of the same treatment for the same crime legitimizes all of the claims that Bonds is being treated as a demon for only one reason...his skin color. Indeed, Bonds has been cast as a villain for the past decade and while he almost certainly has used these substances, he has been constantly dogged about it and I was first to laugh when he suggested that rascism was at the heart of the matter. I did not believe that BS, another black man living almost exclusively with white people screaming that he has been the victim of rascism...nah I didn't buy it when OJ tried and I wasn't buying when Barry said it....but now we can test that hypothesis can't we. If Roger Clemens is pardoned, if he is simply not prosecuted or if the media start to proclaim that he is still a lock for Cooperstown...then add my voice to those who believe that race is the determining factor in American life. The only difference here is that Clemens is white and is connected to a President with equally questionable moral fiber (remember Scooter Libby and the whole WMD scam????)...unfortunately he may end up beating this...I hope that he is fully prosecuted for any crimes he may have committed of he has in fact done so....and I say that because I think that he lied to Congress and I hope that he serves as an example for people coming up. But most of all I really hope that The Rocket will NEVER be in the Hall of Fame......
Cammatt
It's alll well and good that we ought to be lauding that Clemens' records ought to be stricken from the books. But you ought to remember that we're dealing with baseball here. And so far Sleig and his cronies haven't done an effin' thing of merit with regard to the overall situation. The drug policy that's in place can be said to be laughable at best. And you expect these as*sholes to do something of merit ? You're asking way too much of Selig as he ain't that bright nor any of the members of the MLB hierarchy.
You're expecting way too much of 'em from the outset.
Are you kidding me? The Feds would like nothing better than to get the biggest names in baseball, black or white. And now they have one of each to prove they are unbiased. Nope, if Clemens is not charged, it will be because of the evidence, not because he is white.
And Clinton pardoned people who committed a whole lot worse crimes than lying under oath about using steriods, just before the left the White House. If Bush pardons one of them, he will most likely abd should pardon both.
By the way, just how are Bush and Clemens connected. Just curious.
Last edited by Spurcse on February 19th at 1:05 PM.
Clemens and the elder Bush, a huge baseball fan as is his son, have been friends for a while. Clemens has been a guest of Bush at the White House. Clemens visited the White House as a member of the Yankees and gave the Bush the younger a baseball. During his testimony, Clemens, to show how easy he is to reach, told the committee that he had gotten a phone call from Bush the elder while sitting a blind in southern Texas.
First off, I agree with your take and your post that Clemens is guilty as the day is long. He willfully, knowingly and illegally broke federal laws by taking perscription drugs without the guidance and supervision of a Medical Doctor and without a legal perscription. Clemens was and IS guilty regardless of the drug policy in place by MLB at the time. It is also a federal law that one may not steal or commit murder but those stipulations are not in the MLB by-laws either.
A business does not have to stipulate federal law in their rules and by-laws because...THOSE RULES ALREADY EXIST!!! MLB does in fact have a code of conduct that covers the use, sale and knowledge of any such infractions of the use of illegal substances.
Where I tend to disagree with you is your speculation that our President would pardon Clemens based on an acquaintance based friendship. I have a problem with any person who flippantly refers to President Bush as a con man or Selig as an ####. Keep in mind that the MLBPA is a UNION and they are protected by a CBA that restricts the involovement of teams and the Commissioners office. THAT is why Selig and MLB turned to an independant investigator, Sen. Mitchell, to look into the dopping problems in MLB.
He will get a pardon when he!l freezes over--I dont like the whinning punk and Im white! It dont matter whether you are black or white--Stand up and be a man when you are wrong--I dont like the snitches either, but I guess they are a necessary evil when the "heros" have to pump up with steroids. These "trainers" should have to suffer the same as the users...
Here's the deal... we will discuss sports in a fair and reasonable manner....rem ember one criticallly important point....YOU ARE A DOPE AND A MASSIVE ####.... .I, ON THE OTHER HAND, AM FAR SUPERIOR IN TERMS OF KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLECT....
