This article, regarding the proposal to build a track on Staton Island in New York, was from Nov 2006. Though old news, I was curious if the track is built who and what would race there. If its a Cup race, who would lose their present race?
ISC
values the total project at $700 million. That includes about $358
million for thousands of construction jobs, Printup said. Three race
weekends per year, the maximum allowed under the present proposal,
would attract 82,500 fans per day, for a total of around three-quarters
of a million visits.
No man, I understood what you were saying. New York is not going to happen, but they will continue to build tracks in other areas. My question is which races they gonna dump? California, Michigan or will they hit the Southern tracks?
CCR:
Not every one speaks hyphenate. Brickhouse is you know sorta southern. HE HE
Brickhouse:
Personnaly they can drop a California race and run a race at Sparta, Ky. And no, they don't need to build any more frigging tracks. Spart is a centrally located area with great aminities and location plus there is one of the largest NASCAR fan base in the country with in 150 mile radius
Of course , NASCAR doesn't own the track so I think that has a bearing why NASCAR says never any Cup races there. Figures.
Brick - The issue is fairly complicated, as the Kentucky suit and the Texas fan lawsuit proved. However, I would worry if I see ISC or Bruton Smith offering to buy a track that currently hosts races.
I think Pocono, Cali, Martinsville and Dover could be on the short list to lose a race. Darlington is perennially on the short list, but the sellouts the last few years have helped it tremendously.
Factor in that Vegas wants another one and there are several track and areas that want a date (Denver, Seattle/Portland, NYC). Charlotte has 3 races -2 points and one non-point, as does Daytona.
I say lose the California Labor Day weekend race and give it to Darlington. Move Darlington's current date to that weekend for the Southern 500. Make the Southern 500 one of NASCAR'S crown jewels again. Then plug in the new track on Darlington's current date.
I been to Sparta, that place does not need nor can it handle a cup race. It is a nice facility but it is one of too many identical tracks in a market no one cares about. Plus the traffic and parking is a completely awefully terrible fiasco. I pray the next track to lose a date is either Pocono or New Hampshire, hell even Dover. Here is to the Southern 500 on Labor Day where it belongs, in S.C.
Kentucky does deserve a race period. The owner has already said he can put in seating all the way around the track and can make all the necessary improvments needed. Kentucky will draw people from many states: Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, West Virgina, Virginia, Tennessee, Illinois and several others. Tell me of any other track besides Daytona and Talledega that does this? California needs to go! Vegas does not need another date, and I think Pheonix can be cut down to one. I agree that they need to have the Southern 500 back on Labor Day weekend. FRANCE: it's all about roots baby!
Nacar wont add to the 36 we have now. So the question is should we be looking to Canada, Mexico, China? Nascar looks at $ from attendance and historical roots means nothing in big business. I do see a road race being moved into the final 10.
I say loose both Fontana dates. Give one to Darlington or Kentucky. The other one keep in California for us west coast people, but make it another road course; Laguna Seca!
Forget NY, Cali, Chicago and all those other new tracks. Run N. Wilkesboro and Rockingham again. Give the Southern 500 back to the people in Darlington. They want it not some overated Cali cookie cutter track. Why not make a 3 mile track banked backwards (the other way) by about 20 degrees. Big track racing with slower speeds since all the motor will be under the hood and not restricted it would probably be fun for the drivers and surely fun for the fans. Nascar need something to bring the fans back.
I currently drive from ND to NH twice a year for the race and it has always sold out. I have been going since 1993, even when I lived in Texas, California or New York. NH shouldn't lose a race as they are the only New England track on the schedule. They already have too many races in the south, they need to spread out so other race fans can attend races, also. This isn't a Southern sport anymore, thank goodness, now others can enjoy attending races as wel. With most of the drivers coming from areas not located in the south, their fan base is also as diverse a group. I sure hope NASCAR wins the lawsuit with Kentucky. They should never get a race, crybabies.
Kentucky get a race? HAHA what a joke!!! I live in Kentucky and have been to every race since the beginning. That is the sorriest excuse for traffic control/parking that I have ever seen. I've been to several other tracks and have never ran into the problems I have at this track. They can't handle the truck and Busch crowds, how are they ever going to host a cup event. Goof ball DW wasted his time and money on this one!!!!
Ha! We havn't even begun picking up trash from other leagues! I don't think it's road courses that's attracting them though. It's the whole "diversity" gig from NASCAR.
I don't know where the negative comments regarding KY speedway traffic issues are coming from. I've attended every race at the speedway, and can honestly say that other than the opening night, traffic isn't or hasn't been an issue ever.
I park in the preferred parking area and within a half hour, I am on I-71 heading toward Cincinnati.
I live approximately an hour east of Cincinnati, and 2 and half hours from Sparta. I am consistently home in under 4 hours.
Personally, I wouldn't like to see a Cup race at KY. The speedway is a great venue for Busch/Truck/ARCA. But it would be another cookie cutter Cup track.
If KY wins the lawsuit currently in litigation, I would expect the DW statue to be removed....
very simple solution. Get that ####, DR Mateola, (whatever his stupid name is) to sell that HOLE called Pocono and turn that track into something better than a garbage dump.. Turn 2, the tunnel turn, no other turn on the circuit like it - how stupid does someone have to be to not stick 10,000 seats out there..Nascar call me when u do that and ill stick 180,000 fans their the first year..WE in central PA dont even bother to go to that race.
At some point Nascar is going to have to limit one trip a year to each "Mile and a half" track. Then there will be time to add a track and still have a Fall off weekend.
bat15, they ran at Suzuka in Japan several years ago after the season. Rusty Wallace won that race (that I know) and Jeff Gordon finished second (I think). Correct me if I'm wrong on the 1-2 finish.
NO MORE COOKIE CUTTER 1 1/2 MILE TRACKS!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!!!
NY does not want you, well the city and long island that is, we have you at this end of the state.
Why not better take a track that does want you and has tried for a very long time to get a race. I say try Kentucky!!
I would much rather go to Kentucky than New York City area!
Then this is not about Racing or The Fans, it is about Money because you do not own Kentucky so the revenues would not be the same, but if you own the track in NY, then you would get the whole shot all to yourselves!
Dover. It's almost always a boring race. It tends to rain for the spring race. Getting out of Dover is a nightmare. There's one way in and one way out. Besides the powers that be have made it clear they don't like NASCAR there.
I just saw a report on how the Chinese government controls internet access to its people. If France sends a race over there, he's nothing but a pimp, and NASCAR is the ####. Which makes me a john...right?
Hey heres anouther thing, did you here about the new 1 mile track being built in idaho? oh yes its true. they think they can get NASCR TO RACE HERE IN IDAHO WHAT A JOKE. NOW what if Nascar says yes then what?
The New York track won't happen because of local opposition, the fact it is a poor racing demographic, and because the tracks that are getting jobbed by NASCAR are fighting back and winning.
Why do they have to lose a Race to NY When Kentucky Speedway Has been TRYING to GET A RACE for the LAST 5 YEARS!!!!!! I think it is unfar that some of the track give u[p a race but i think they should race one race at all the track that are are in the running along with the one we already have
Well Nascar wants to lure new people to the sport, so I am inclined to believe, instead of those in rural area's which are the base that nascar used to get where they are now, they are abandoning them to try and bring in the more sophisticated city folk, why sophistication abounds in these people. Just look at that Hollyweird pictures, ohh theres Jeffy gordon and his wife, who's that blond, ohh talk about sophistication and someone too good for the rest of us, it's none other than Paris (Jailbird) Hilton!
Now these are the Sophistication and the Class of people that Seemingly this new Generation of Nascar Owners wants! Not the hard working people from the burbs, but rather the people from the fast moving cities!
Unfortunatly, they may never understand they are instead alienating many many fans who have supported them for so long!
I dont think NY should get a track, I think that other than Daytona and Charlotte no track should have 2 races, I think they should bring back the Southern 500, open up some tracks in the midwest...bring one to some place like Des Moines Iowa, and call it the #### 500. All I really want to see is them letting these guys race. No "debris caution", no points for telling another driver f*** off, no points off for slapping another driver upside the head, let them race. Nascar seems to forget The Allison boys and Cale Yarborough slapping the #### out of each other got them lots of fans back in the 80's. Put a stop to cookie cutter tracks and cookie cutter races.
Brickhouse, yes she did, and in fact she blamed not knowing she did anything wrong when she was stopped again, she blamed that on someone else, and how fitting for her to be in the same picture with Jeffy Gordon who rarely accept responsibility himself.
What about the other Kennedy in Congress, They could name a race after him, and when you wreck you don't go to the infield care center, you go to rehab instead....rofl
Conn. has been trying to get a track for the past 10 years and has the land and population draw for it. I'd go there instead of NH, Pocono, Dover anytime! Forget KY, their obviously not wanted by Nascar
First, I think we can all agree that the races should be run at tracks where people WANT to watch the race either in person or on TV. As such, the tracks that fall short right now are Pocono(2 races per year), Fontana (2 races per year) Atlanta (2 races per year, though exciting, they never fill the seats) and Michigan (2 races per year) Now people want to move races from NH (my home track, not super-exciting on TV, but its ALWAYS packed) or Dover. These won't happen because these are NASCAR's 2 "outposts" in the NE and the fan support is awesome.
First Fontana should get 1 race per year. Nobody watches or goes to 2. Bump the schedual so Las Vegas and Cali are spaced out and give Vegas a chase race at the expense of Atlanta. give Darlington the So 500 back where it belongs, and give Kentucky the Mother's day race.
Last drop both Pocosnore races. Michigan keeps 1, and gives 1 to Iowa. The future in NASCAR is sub 1 mile tracks anyway. Last, cut the schedual by 1 race and add the last Pocosnore race to whatever new track. All the races should be well watched and attended.
My ultimate dream of creating excitemnt is a NCAA Fall Madness Idea. Start the chase with 12 drivers. Want pressure? Whoever finishes last out of the chasers at NHIS is OUT of the chase. No points per face, just don't finish last. At dover the same, finish last, your out. By Homestead you're down to a final 3, and whoever finishes first wins the title, period. I know this puts the title up for grabs in a winner take all race, but isn't that what Nascar wants?
