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Euro 2008 - Day 8
Jun 14, 2008 | 8:55AM | report this

Spain 2-1 Sweden

During the qualifying stage these two teams shared the spoils with a win each and it seemed that we were heading for a stalemate as the seconds ticked down. The difference, in the end, came down to a long clearance downfield from Capdevilla (?), tiring Swedish legs and the spirit of David Villa that inspired him to chase the ball down, compose himself and to side foot the winner past Isaksson.

Based on share of the play it was a deserved winner but Sweden provided much stiffer opposition than a Russian side that almost presented goals to Spain last Tuesday. Thoughts that another avalanche of Spanish goals might be in the offing received some encouragement when Torres showed his goal poacher instincts after only fifteen minutes. The Liverpool striker stretched for a ball played diagonally towards the six-yard box at midriff height. His studs made contact and Spain led.

As it often does, going a goal behind provides the impetuous to go forward and so it was for Sweden. The Spanish defence started to creak and the loss of Puyol only added to the problem. Ibrahimovic worked hard to create his shooting chance but the Spanish defenders and goalkeeper Iker Casillas were guilty of some very slack play.

The Swedish goalscorer did not come out for second half and with his absence Sweden was relegated to increasingly infrequent counter attacks. With no one to hold the ball up and to occupy the Spanish defenders almost every clearance was pinning its way back towards the Swedes penalty area in super quick time.

But just as it looked as if Sweden would leave with a point Villa’s fourth goal of the tournament gave Spain three points.   


Greece 0-1 Russia

The result was more important than the performances in this one. Greece loses and can go home early. Russia may also be catching an early flight but at least they will go into the final game against Sweden with a chance to progress. Sweden only needs a draw but Russia will look to the return of Andrei Arshavin after suspension as a major boost ahead of Wednesday’s decider.


Comment of the Day

“The Dutch have dared to identify and promote new talents, while the French, like the Italians, are paying a price for clinging to players of a certain vintage. Yes, Lilian Thuram and Thierry Henry have been to the top of the world, but neither has been a regular starter with their club, Barcelona, and Henry's sinews are not the reliable carriers of his refined skills that we grew to admire.


By contrast, although the Netherlands' coach, Marco van Basten, has recalled Ruud van Nistelrooy to lead his attack, he has trusted in the engine power, the youth, and the ability of Sneijder and the creative touches of Rafael van der Vaart. The coach also, with a nudge from providence, has Dirk Kuyt on his right wing.” – Rob Hughes writing for the International Tribune.


Tip for the Day

Instantly distrust any article or commentator that describes the current Dutch team as playing Total Football ala Cruyff, Ajax and Netherlands in the seventies. They either did not see the Dutch play at their peak or they have a very poor grasp of the concept.

At this tournament Marco van Basten has the Dutch playing a system that makes the most of the talent and abilities that he has available – basically what all coaches are expected to do. So far the back four has held up well and the two deeper sitting midfield players (mostly Engelaar and De Jong) have covered space and offered effective defensive cover.

They defensive six have provided a platform from which the likes of Sneijder and van der Vaart can display their attacking talents. Up front operating as a lone striker Ruud Van Nistelrooy has shown that old horses can learn new tricks. The ability to break at speed has made the Dutch counter attacks spectacular and lethal but they owe little to the concept of total football.

So far van Basten has his team playing a very effective but relatively rigid 4-2-3-1 system that is markedly different from the free flowing changing-position-almost-at-will philosophy we saw from teams inspired by Rinus Michels. Michels required his players to be masters of technique and to be tactically aware. Everyone should be able to play anywhere was the basic idea but it needed almost perfect players to achieve it.

The 1974 Dutch team was pretty close. Suurbier, Ruud Krol, Rijsbergen and Haan were all accomplished players that could fit into almost any role asked of them. The midfield did not have relatively static defensive midfielders but had Jansen, Neeskens and the beautiful left foot of Wim Van Hanegem. Then we had Cruyff, Johnny Rep and Rob Rensenbrink in attack.


Even goalkeeper Jan Jongbloed – considered by many to be the weak link – made up for many of his short comings by playing at times as sweeper as the Dutch back four pushed forward. What is more is that there were superb players on the bench that could fit the Michels system without a step being missed.

The Dutch have been a revelation so far in this tournament but it is not because of any adherence to the philosophy of Total Football.

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JayAlves
Jun 14, 2008
9:29 AM
RIO DE JANEIRO, June 14 (National Team) - Former Brazil star Zico has admitted that he would be tempted by an offer to take over from Luiz Felipe Scolari as Portugal coach.

2010 WC here we come. Don't know his entire coaching resume but he did damn well with Fener this year.

LetsGoBuffalo
Jun 14, 2008
9:35 AM
The two big strikers have scored so far...

Wouldn't this team be perfect for Jose Mourinho and the system he likes to implement?

I think he is stupid for waiting before being national team manager.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
9:40 AM
I am not familiar with Rob Hughes, but I don't understand what's daring about the Dutch lineup. Van der Vaart, Sneijder, Robben, etc are all young players, but not new talents by any stretch, and obvious choices for their National team, regardless of the manager.

The Italians fielded their best eleven available against Romania. In fact they would be more competitive if they had a few more older players, namely Cannavaro, Nesta and Totti. I can't think of any young players who deserve to play for Italy who are not already. Holland have a crop of excellent young players who are rightfully playing, that's all.

JayAlves
Jun 14, 2008
9:58 AM
which team do you mean by 'this' LGB? Portugal?

Mourinho will one day but considering the pool of players Portugal has especially the player of the year its become a very attractive post. The fans expectations are usually modest and the media can be hard but I'm not sure if you could compare their level of lunacy to the other big countries out there.

I would of loved if they cooked up some crazy system where Mourinho and the FA agreed to install one of his assistants to handle the qualifying and he would jump in for the summer of 2010 but Zico full time doesn't sound so bad either.

gongatore
Jun 14, 2008
9:59 AM
VVV-

Have to agree with you re: Hughes. Consider the source.

Another horrible call on Silva in the box. If this tournament has shown us anything it's time for instant replay for Fifa.

Last edited by gongatore on June 14th at 10:02 AM.

ZUCO2
Jun 14, 2008
10:04 AM
Spain's first half goal was extremely lucky!

Halftime : Spain 1-1 Sweden

Fernando Torres for Spain and Zlatan Ibrahimovic for Sweden.

redfan4ever
Jun 14, 2008
10:19 AM
That Dutch side was almost the same as 4 years later in the 1978 WC in Argentina. Notable changes being Cruyff and Van Hanegam from the 74 side. Those Dutch sides simply played the best football I have ever seen and I still remember that 78 final where they (the best team of the tournament) were beaten by 14 men.

I do think Aragones got the tactics wrong against Sweden. Scrappy and mostly route 1 stuff with little width and few quality crosses. Makes yesterday's feast seem all the better. I taped the Netherlands vs France game last night. You are right bobby it's a keeper and destined to be uploaded to the pc and burned to a disc.

Last edited by redfan4ever on June 14th at 10:58 AM.

ZUCO2
Jun 14, 2008
10:53 AM
The referee really favored Spain in this game. Except that contreversial handball from Erik Edman, Spain was favored on many fouls and decisions.

Shame on the referee! :(

LetsGoBuffalo
Jun 14, 2008
10:55 AM
Oh how I would love seeing Villa in a red shirt!

gongatore
Jun 14, 2008
10:58 AM
Terrific finish to a very tactical and enjoyable match.

Sweden had a go but in the end thanks to a uncharacteristically long ball out of the back and Torres sacrificing himself, getting mugged in the process and a smart run and finish by Villa.
Hansson got beat bad. Can't fault Issakson.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
11:12 AM
Spain were a bit too methodical today for the most part. There are one team which is very solid throughout their lineup - like a few other top teams their weakest spot is central defense, even if Marchena and Puyol are as good as any. Spain is a team that could go all the way, but they will have a challenging road past the Group C teams.

Ron_W
Jun 14, 2008
11:42 AM
Bobby, excellent piece with your Tip of the Day about Holland, Ajax and Total Football. You nailed it with your succinct description of Total Football. The 1974 Dutch team is my favorite international team of all time, slightly ahead of Brazil 1970

Today's game, Sweden vs Spain was the first game I've been able to watch all week and it was utter boring shyte.

Bobby, did you see the headline on the Sun website about Kenny Miller returning to Rangers? "Miller: I never kissed Bhoys!"

Last edited by Ron_W on June 14th at 11:53 AM.

Ron_W
Jun 14, 2008
11:57 AM
RedFan2K: Talking about 1978 World Cup, how about the home team Argentina needing to beat Peru by four clear goals to qualify ahead of Brazil in the Group Stage ... they won 6-0 ... wink wink

Last edited by Ron_W on June 14th at 12:01 PM.

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
11:57 AM
Still can't get over Toni's goal being disallowed yesterday. But according to UEFA, Del Piero was adjudged to be in an active offsides position and was close to Toni...

I think the only certainty that will come from this tournament is a more clearly redefined definition of the offsides rule...

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
12:06 PM
UEFA issued a statement that Del Piero was in an active offside position.

The referee said that it was the wrong decision and apologized for the mistake.

On another note the refs have failed to award 15 penalties so far today, and still counting.

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
12:09 PM
VVV- At least the referee admitted to getting it wrong, but UEFA seems too much in a CYA mood to do the same. Which is why I think they made the statement they did regarding Van Nistelrooy's goal...

Although France getting drubbed by the Dutch made up for the draw with Romania... As long as France don't go through, I'll be happy

atleti
Jun 14, 2008
12:39 PM
Possible lineup for Argentina against Ecuador:

Abbondanzieri
Burdisso-Demichelis-Heinze
Maxi-Zanetti-Mascherano-Verón
Riquelme
Messi-Agüero

gongatore
Jun 14, 2008
12:44 PM
Even w/o the bad call on Toni's deserved goal, Italy still had more than enough chances to win yesterday. They didn't and now as usual they have a lot of variables to contend with in getting out of the first round of a major tournament.


Bring instant replay into world football even MLB is giving it a trial beginning August 1.

Should be a corker second half between Russia and Greece.

Last edited by gongatore on June 14th at 12:45 PM.

ZUCO2
Jun 14, 2008
12:56 PM
I think this tournament will be remembered as a contreversial one. Especially because of the officials mistakes, so far.

Ursusarctos
Jun 14, 2008
1:01 PM
Bobby, quoting Rob Hughes of the International Tribune for the "Comment of the Day":

"... the Netherlands' coach, Marco van Basten ... also, with a nudge from providence, has Dirk Kuyt on his right wing."


Dutch fans and the Royal Netherlands Football Association may address royalty payments to "providence" c/o R. Benitez, Liverpool ... ;)

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
1:11 PM
With the exception of one or two matches, the first half on this tournament has been excellent; some very entertaining football.

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
1:30 PM
At the start of the tournament I liked the idea of having the head to head result be the first tie breaker for when teams are tied on points, but now seeing that teams are in their second game knowing if they lose they are done, because of it, I think it's going to take a lot away from what would have been in the third round.

They should go back to GD being the first tie breaker, regardless of head to head result, just to keep the third games of the group stage more relevant.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
1:53 PM
The loss for Sweden is not a disaster for them. Other than not being able to win the group, they are still in essentially the same position. They are through with a win or a draw against Russia, and will face Holland.

Last edited by Venti_vidi_vici on June 14th at 2:06 PM.

ZUCO2
Jun 14, 2008
1:55 PM
Greece was eliminated by Russia.

This means we will have new Euro champions!!!!!!!

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
2:05 PM
VVV- Not true. If Sweden and Russia draw, Sweden are through and Russia are out. They only go to penalties if they're level on goal differential, but Sweden beat Greece 2-0 to Russia's 1-0 and lost by less, 2-1, vs 4-1 for Russia, against Spain... Sweden have a +3 goal differential over Russia, so Russia needs to take all 3 points to advance to play the Dutch...

Quick question, I know I could probably look elsewhere to get this answer, but tomorrow's games (and the rest of the group stage) will be played at the same time, correct?

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
2:07 PM
leche:
I did wrong match - you're right. I was just fixing it.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
2:08 PM
It really didn't matter that Sweden lost today. They are alsost in the same position as if they drew with Spain, other than they can't win the group.

The third matches are played simultaneously.

Ursusarctos
Jun 14, 2008
2:09 PM
LGB:

"Oh how I would love seeing Villa in a red shirt!"


You would like to see Villa at Toronto FC?

Flashie for one will love you for that wish, but I suspect Villa might be a little rich for TFC's transfer budget ...

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
2:10 PM
Only tomorrow's game between Turkey-Czech Rep could go to penalties.

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
2:27 PM
VVV- Correct, I was trying to figure out France-Italy if they were to draw and Romania lose... But it appears it would come down to, first, if Italy-France play to a scoreless draw or a draw that contians goals... The latter would push Italy through by virtue of having the most goals scored in games between the tied teams in question taking 1 from Romania and X from France... To Romania's 1 from Italy, and France's X from Italy... But if the former, it would then come down to how many goals the Dutch were to beat Romania by, if more than 3, then Italy would go through, if less than 3, then Romania would go through, if 3, then it gets too complicated for me to bother trying to figure out...

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
2:50 PM
You are correct. If Romania lose then Italy qualify with a draw with goals.

If Romania lose and Italy-France finish 0-0 then it will come down to how Romania fair against Holland, and whether they do better than the 0-3 Italy suffered (goal difference then goals scored).

In the unlikely coincidence that Italy finish 0-0 and Romania lose 0-3, Italy qualify on a better results coefficient. (average points gained per match in previous qualifying tournaments for Euro 08 and WC 06).

Italy, basically, have to score to qualify.
France have to win to qualify.

Last edited by Venti_vidi_vici on June 14th at 2:53 PM.

gongatore
Jun 14, 2008
3:25 PM
VVV-

Italy has to go for a win as do France.
Should make for a cracking match.

RINGO
Jun 14, 2008
4:15 PM
Holland '78 were a shadow of the '74 team ,the best team never to win the WC ,and were also better than Brazil '70 ,as pointed out by ron.

Dirk Kuyt ,the new Ray Kennedy?
As pointed out by the Euro 08 MVP Andy Gray.

This has been bothering me for a while.
When the ball crosses the line for a goal but is cleared before hitting the net ,does it still count as a bulge in the back of the old onion bag?

BobbyMcMahon
Jun 14, 2008
4:23 PM
Dirk Kuyt/Ray Kennedy - both converted strikers but I can't think of much a resemblance apart from that. Kennedy as a striker was the consumate big English target man so favoured in the 70s. However, he became a very elegant midfield player. Kuyt is all running and effort and I just can't see the word elegant being used to describe him!

Last edited by BobbyMcMahon on June 15th at 7:57 AM.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
4:26 PM
I agree.

I don't know if I'd rather see Van Basten rest key players or not. I think the reserves would play hard to try and earn a regular place. The regulars may take it easy so as no to get hurt.

I don't think Holland will lose, they don't want to let up too much going into the QF, a draw however is likely. Italy and France will probably both start cautiously, but then will have to go forward.

In the other groups is very straight forward. We have decider tomorrow. Germany will not falter against Austria. Russia-Sweden is the decider in Group D. The Group of Death has a few twists and turns in store.

Thierry_Henry
Jun 14, 2008
5:08 PM
I don't think Holland will lose, they don't want to let up too much going into the QF, a draw however is likely. Italy and France will probably both start cautiously, but then will have to go forward.

Again VVV, stop!

I don't think the Dutch want to see italy in the 1/2 final. so, THEY WILL LOSE!

MOHAMMADMATEEN
Jun 14, 2008
5:45 PM
Bobby, You didnt watch RUS-GRE match, did you?

BobbyMcMahon
Jun 14, 2008
6:34 PM
Fair cop!
I caught the last 10 minutes live (with the audio off so I did not catch the Spain score) then after I watched the Spain match I went back to the start of the Russia game. After a few minutes I opted for DC United against NYRB. DC picking it up now. Still have Toronto - Colorado to watch.

Last edited by BobbyMcMahon on June 14th at 6:35 PM.

JayAlves
Jun 14, 2008
6:50 PM
Still think its hilarious that people are talking like the outcome of the Romania Holland game is whatever Holland decides. Romania have held their own so far in the tournament and I think they might be up for a must win game.

BobbyMcMahon
Jun 14, 2008
6:56 PM
It is pretty much accepted Piturca outcoached van Basten in the two qualifying games. Something that Donadoni and Domenech failed to do.

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
7:38 PM
Jay- It's more primative than that... With the way Holland have been playing, if they show up to play, and play like that, Holland wins...

The thing of it is, If Holland decide to play their scrubs, sure, Romania could still be held to a draw, or even lose... But Romania playing to win vs Holland playing to play favors Romania...

Could Romania beat Holland if both teams come out to play? Absolutely... But Holland can make it MUCH easier on them...

I guess I'll be pissed if Holland intentionally lose, and Italy beat France... If Italy wins and Romania beats Holland and Holland plays their best 11 and plays to win, then all the power to Romania, I'll have no complaints (other than Toni's goal not being allowed)

leche010
Jun 14, 2008
7:39 PM
Bobby- With all due respect, it appears Van Basten has figured out that less is more with the players he has... Unleash them and let them do their thing and they're fine...

How many people would have guessed that any team could have beaten both teams in the WC Final 2 years ago, by a combined 7-1 margin in back to back games?

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
8:27 PM
TH:
So you think that Italy will beat France, then beat Spain, and then have Holland scared to play them in the semi final? You are a bigger Italy fan than me!! Besides, isn't it past your bed time!?

Thierry_Henry
Jun 14, 2008
8:34 PM
So you think that Italy will beat France, then beat Spain, and then have Holland scared to play them in the semi final? You are a bigger Italy fan than me!! Besides, isn't it past your bed time!?

VVV, I was trying to save you from your own emotional bankruptcy on Tuesday. So, if you want to hold on to your subprime emotional mortgage, go ahead! :)

Holland will BEAT russia in 1/4 and they don't want to face ITALY or FRANCE in the 1/2. do you know about something called VENDETTA or VEGENCE?

Last edited by Thierry_Henry on June 14th at 8:51 PM.

LetsGoBuffalo
Jun 14, 2008
8:35 PM
Italy and France are so 2006, this is a Holland and Spain tourney... :)

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 14, 2008
9:05 PM
Never heard of vegence - is like vegging? I would rather have hope than not. All but one team in this tournament will get eliminated, but until then, can play to win and advance.

So Holland would rather avoid Italy because they are afraid of revenge, and would prefer to play Spain? I always thought teams like to play opponents they can and have beaten.

Feel free to cut and paste as needed.

Ursusarctos
Jun 14, 2008
9:25 PM

Bobby:

"Ray Kennedy ... became a very elegant midfield player."

Indeed!

Number 28 on the list of "Players Who Shook the Kop"-- and could have been a little higher up the list:



Last edited by Ursusarctos on June 14th at 9:26 PM.

Ron_W
Jun 14, 2008
9:26 PM
Allez le vieux bleu! Allez le vieux bleu! Allez!

Of course this is conditional on Mystic Gigi giving Domenech a favorable horoscope on Tuesday.

Last edited by Ron_W on June 14th at 9:28 PM.

Ursusarctos
Jun 14, 2008
9:42 PM
RINGO:

"This has been bothering me for a while.
When the ball crosses the line for a goal but is cleared before hitting the net ,does it still count as a bulge in the back of the old onion bag?
"

You are clearly not aware that when Tommy-boy took up commentating, he dropped a promising physics career researching fluid dynamics ...

He knows very well that the wave propagation in the air caused by the motion of the ball would indeed slightly "bulge ... the back of the old onion bag", even if the ball itself is cleared before actually touching the net.

And there you were thinking his commentary was just an endless repetition of meaningless clichés ...

Ursusarctos
Jun 14, 2008
10:05 PM
Bobby:

"Dirk Kuyt ... Kuty is all running and effort and I just can't see the word elegant being used to describe him!"

He may not exactly be a vision of elegance, but I'm not sure I would go so far as to call him "Kuty". It seems to be a bit over the top, don't you think? Besides, everyone knows Ruud is THE pin-up on that Dutch team ...

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