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Euro 2008 - Day 6
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Day 7

Croatia 2-1 Germany

For Croatia a performance that just about encompassed everything that the Sunday game against Austria was not. Comfortable, composed and confident Croatia was well organized and prepared to largely stifle the Germans attacking options.

Germany may have had the edge in play but it was Croatia that had the definite advantage in clear chances. With Kranjcar moving into a more central role Germany had trouble dealing with the numerical advantage that Croatia held in midfield.

Marcell Jansen underwent a torrid time at left back and his failure to deal with Pranjic’s cross (a reminder of how very few crosses we have seen so far in this tournament) saw Srna turning the ball in at the back post for the first goal. Not long after Kranjcar had another great chance but Lehmann pulled of####reat reaction save.

Not surprisingly Jansen was substituted at half time with Fritz dropping back to right back and Lahm switching sides. Impact player Odonkor came on ............but failed to make any impact. Croatia’s second goal (from Olic) seemed to have put the game well beyond Germany reach only for Podolski to score a cracker. The effect of the goal may have clouded how good a goal it actually was.

But with ten minutes left and their lead halved rather than panicking Croatians moved into what was their most impressive spell of the game. Playing in three and fours with one touch passing Croatia killed off the game and left only enough time for Bastian Schweinsteiger to get himself sent off.

Croatia within a hairs breadth of qualification and Germany now has to beat Austria and even then they may still have to keep fingers crossed.


Man of the match – Given a free role by Slaven Bilic Niko Kranjcar proved impossible for Germany to control.


Austria 1-1 Poland

It was a match that delivered much more in the way of incident and excitement than might have been expected. Austria came away with a share of the points after it looked as if their pressure – particularly in the first half – was again destined to deliver nothing. A point each keeps both countries in with a chance to advance but Austria could have had this one wrapped up in bows before thirty minutes was on the clock.

The Austrians streamed forward in waves with Korkmaz and Harnik raiding almost at will down the flanks. As the Polish defence went AWOL it was Artur Boruc vs. Austria. The Celtic keeper stymied Austria at least four times and he was the reason Poland was still in the game by the time they took the lead.

The goal came completely against the run of play as it so often does and it came from a Southampton-Brazil combo accompanied by a hint of offside. Southampton’s Marek Saganowski saw his “shot” find Brazilian import Roger Guerreiro who had no trouble from close in.

The goal took the sting out of Austria’s attack in as much as they stopped creating chances although still enjoyed the edge in possession. The second half lacked the cut and thrust from Austria as the Polish defence reasserted their position. Then with stoppage time minutes ticking down and a second Polish goal on the break looking more likely than goal from the co-hosts – finally a goal for Austria and from the penalty spot.

The old man of the tournament Ivica Vastic put his foot through the shot and the valiant Boruc went the wrong way.

Update – No group B tie breaker is possible. Croatia qualify as group winners and will play Turkey or the Czech Republic. Germany will join them with a win or a draw against Austria. An Austrian win combined with Poland not beating Croatia will put the co-hosts into the last eight. However, in order to finish second Poland needs to beat Croatia by a goal more than Austria beats Germany by. So Germany or Austria or Poland will play a rested Portugal.

Comment of the Day

"People often think coaches can predict results. Coaches are like you, they are very bad at giving predictions.” - Arsène Wenger


Tie Breaker

There seems to be a fair bit of confusion regarding the tie breaker rule for the group stage.

Excerpt Competition Regulations – 7.07 and 7.08
If two or more teams finish equal on points after all the group matches have been played, the following criteria will be applied to determine the ranking :

(a) Greater number of points obtained in the matches between the teams in question.

(b) Goal difference resulting from the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).

(c) Greater number of goals scored in the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).

(d) Goal difference in all the group matches.

(e) Greater number of goals scored in all the group matches.

(f) Coefficient of points from the last two qualifying competitions for the final rounds of the 2006 World Cup and Euro 2008 (points gained and divided by the number of matches played).

(g) Fair Play conduct of the teams (final tournament).

(h) A drawing of lots by the Organizing Committee.

Criteria (a) to (h) above are not applicable under these circumstances :
If two teams meeting in one of the last group matches have the same number of points, the same goal difference and the same number of goals, and if this match stands at a draw at the end of normal time, then the ranking of these two teams will be determined by kicks from the penalty spot, provided no other teams within the group have the same number of points on completion of all group matches.

Coefficients and Ranking

Group A

No longer applicable - penalties if tied.

Group B

Croatia

Germany

Poland

Austria

Group C

Holland

Italy

Romania

France

Group D

Sweden

Spain

Greece

Russia

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atleti
Jun 12, 2008
7:21 AM
You people are mad. Utterly, utterly mad.

I've been wanting to say that for the longest time.

Danielgregg: "Cronaldo"

Hilarious!!

atleti
Jun 12, 2008
7:31 AM
If Atlético sign Nasri, I'll eat my hat, by the way.

BobbyMcMahon
Jun 12, 2008
7:55 AM
For Canadian fans - Brian Budd former Toronto Blizzard, Canadian national team member and most recently The Score soccer analyst passed away suddenly at the age of 56 today.

Sympathy and condolences to his family.

Last edited by BobbyMcMahon on June 12th at 8:06 AM.

JayAlves
Jun 12, 2008
8:41 AM
Big game for the Croats.

Lose and they potentially face a final game against Poland winner takes all assuming the Polish can finish Austria.

verbal97
Jun 12, 2008
8:54 AM
10 minutes until the Klose show starts...get excited!

Bhoysfan
Jun 12, 2008
9:34 AM
Reading like a good game to start the day. sOrry catching the webcast version. unfortunately I will be watching a replay. Golf fans Tiger stinking after 3 holes at US Open.

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
9:40 AM
Good, I'm glad the rule is the way it is... I'd rather see Turkey and the Czech Republic go to PK's instead of deciding one team is through and one team is done based on coefficient...

Granted, I'd rather they just play golden goal as long as necessary, but PK's are at least a part of the game...

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
9:45 AM
This looks like a completely different Croatia team. Against Austria, they were down right pitiful, but today they look like contenders. Granted Germany hasn't looked that great. Still, promising signs from Croatia.

terrapin_turtle
Jun 12, 2008
10:21 AM
Germany looks terrible, why is Gomez still on the field?

Nevermind, I'm not sure why it took 65 minutes to take him off though, he didn't do one useful thing.

Last edited by terrapin_turtle on June 12th at 10:23 AM.

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
10:51 AM
Mario Gomez has been aweful this entire tournament, Low needs to recognize this, and go with Klose and Podolski on top and Schweinsteiger on the left from here on out.

On another note, does Luka Modric ever take a touch with his left foot? In 2 games I can honestly say I've only seen him take one or two... That's definitely something that's going to have to change.

Sleeper000
Jun 12, 2008
10:54 AM
Let me have somebody dare to say anything against Croatia again.
As I have said many times before, we are better against the good teams.
Bad refeering based on what I read, losing control?
I will make an analysis after I watch the game later tonight.

Gunner44
Jun 12, 2008
11:00 AM
Crotia were simply the better team and deserved to win.

Germany were horrible until the last 15mins.

In both goals the scorers were quicker to the ball as the Germans def. seemed to become complacant.

A great goal from Podoski.

danielgregg
Jun 12, 2008
11:03 AM
atleti, re "Cronaldo" -- :-) LOL!

I simply can't call him "Ronaldo." It just doesn't feel right. He's not Ronaldo. I can't get used to everyone calling that pretty boy Portuguese kid Ronaldo. To me, he's Cristiano. For me, the only Ronaldo is and always will be the guy from Rio with that space between his teeth, genetically bad knees, seriously bad taste in hairstyles and a baffling problem with transvestites.

If anyone wanted more proof that you can't make any serious judgments or predictions about the quality and outcome of any teams in tournaments like this, look at what just happened with Croatia and Germany. Don't write anyone off, esp. after one game.

I thought the red card for Schweinsteiger was excessive. He raised his hand, yes, but it was so weak and wimpy. A yellow, yes, a red, no. If you're going to do something like that to get sent off, go for it and do the headbutt already.

danielgregg
Jun 12, 2008
11:04 AM
Question to everyone: was Jens at fault for either goal?

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
11:06 AM
Sleeper, since you dared me... Croatia are damn lucky to get all 3 points today... They took the lead off o####reat goal after BRILLIANT buildup... But that second goal was truely a lucky bounce... Germany deserved their goal...

Now the real question is... Which Croatia is the real one? The pathetic, offensively inept one that played Austria, or the one that played today? I guess we'll know for sure when they play the Czechs in the quarter finals...

Last edited by leche010 on June 12th at 11:21 AM.

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
11:07 AM
danielgregg- The first one, no, that was a great goal by Croatia and some sloppy defending by Germany... The second one was a poor play by Lens, a lucky bounce off the post, and some HORRENDOUS defending at the back by Metzelder and Mertesacker

JayAlves
Jun 12, 2008
11:08 AM
Damn straight! If your going to lash out in anger don't settle for a meek slap like Drogba or a push!

Do it in style like the best! Attempted head butt murder like Zidane!

danielgregg
Jun 12, 2008
11:12 AM
LOL, JayAlves, glad you see it like that too. :-D

leche, agree with your reply re Jens. I just feel sorry for Jens. I don't care how badly he mouthed off to the press last season, I still love the guy and wanted to see him do really well at this tournament.

Sleeper000
Jun 12, 2008
11:12 AM
leche,
I will eat my Davor S.u.k.e.r. jersey if we lose to the ordinary Czechs, that is of course if they make it to the QF.

gongatore
Jun 12, 2008
11:17 AM
Congrats to Croatia, they played Germany off the pitch!
Modric, Rakitic, Krancjar and Planjic were outstanding. So were the Kovacs.

Where were Ballack, Klose and Gomez all day?
Real smart move by Schweinsteiger in extra time in front of a linesman.

Lehmann was not at fault for either goal.

Keep underestimating this Croatian side at your peril.

Sleeper congrats your boys administered one heck of a beating.

Cheers

Last edited by gongatore on June 12th at 11:19 AM.

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
11:24 AM
Sleeper- this is the European championships... The Czechs beating Croatia is no less plausible than the Dutch routing the Italians 3-0, and Croatia beating Germany...

I wouldn't make such claims, it's very possible you could be eating crow before it's all said and done with.

Speaking of ordinary, Croatia is rather ordinary... The Germans didn't play very well today and Croatia played very well... And for Croatia to escape with a 2-1 win after Germany looked very poised to find the equalizer down the stretch is very flattering...

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
11:26 AM
Gong, I can agree you could say Lehman isn't at fault for either goal... But when you break it down... He himself had the power to keep that goal from happening, as did Mertesacker as did Metzelder, as did Podolski, as did the bounce of the ball... And for none of those things to go right for Germany is very unfortunate... It's hard for me to say Croatia deserved that goal... But just like with the Swiss yesterday, sometimes that's just the way the ball bounces...

aldoray
Jun 12, 2008
11:26 AM
Danielgregg

I agree with u there will always be only one Ronaldo thats y they call the buck toothed longhaired one Ronald-inho

Gunner44
Jun 12, 2008
11:33 AM
I don't think Jens was at fault for both goals I think it was the def. who slacked of and where beaten to the ball by the goal scores.

And while everyone is talking about Gomes where the hell was Ballack...

Is Sagna still injured or did he not get picked into the French team???

Sleeper000
Jun 12, 2008
11:38 AM
leche, I went a bit over the top due to euphoria and me thinking about nothing else but getting home and celebrating with beer.
Having said that, unlike you, I have never claimed the Czechs were not good enough or that any of their players could not make the Spanish team. That's unfair and really hard to assess as a lot of it has to do with coach's tactics.
Yes the Czechs can beat the Croats with some luck just like anyone else on a good day, but to me it would not be a surprise just luck it was not a surprise that we won today.
We are talented enough to go all the way.
What does deserving have to do with anything? Oh they should've done this or that? Who cares. What matters is that the goals stand, and that Croatia have deservedly won the game.
It bothers me that people labeled Croatia as average after one game. How many ordianary games did Italy play, and yet they ended up winning all those trophies. You have to be objective and look at many different aspects of the game. I doubt Croatia will play as bad as they played their first game against the hosts.

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
11:39 AM
Gunner- Gomez was just plain aweful the past 2 games, Ballack was invisible today...

As for Sagna, I believe the correct answer is both... But I'm not sure about his injury situation, but he didn't get picked, either way...

gongatore
Jun 12, 2008
11:42 AM
Leche-
If you have a personal beef with Sleeper let it lie for a minute and give credit to Croatia, they mostly dominated the match and in particular Germany's midfield.
It's a disservice to a brilliant tactical game plan by Bilic and execution by his side.

Again where was Captain Ballack all day? In Modric's and Krancjar's back pocket.

If you are a Spuds fan you have to like the talent of Luka Modric.

I find Sleeper's "homerism" refreshing as opposed to the incessant EPL homerism on this blog.

Last edited by gongatore on June 12th at 12:03 PM.

leche010
Jun 12, 2008
11:43 AM
Sleeper- I find it comical that to you Croatia won today because they are talented enough to win, and it showed, but if the Czechs were to beat Croatia, it's due to luck...

Come on dude, this is the Euro's... Other than Austria, every team in this tournament is talented enough to beat anyone else on any given day... Today that showed with Croatia over Germany... But mark my words, the Czechs and Turks (I'll throw them in there too because it could be them) are both more than talented enough to beat Croatia on any day. As far as surprises go... Other than the actual number of goals scored in a victory (3-0 by the Dutch over Italy-esque)... No results from this tournament are actually "surprises"...

For a second, get off your high horse homerism, and try to look at the rest of the tournament through the same pair of glasses...

danielgregg
Jun 12, 2008
12:02 PM
Gunner, I read an article in the French press while in France last month with Domenech saying he didn't pick Sagna because he's not yet fully fit from his injury. It's the same reason he didn't pick Mexes (a terrific defender), who had a horrible knee injury at the Copa Italia final just a few weeks ago. He probably wouldn't have chosen Sagna either, Domenech prefers experience, stability and continuity over youth. He's not a risk taker, he's very conservative. (something millions of Frenchmen and women rant and rave about, he's not at all popular). He's right to try to seek a good balance between youth and experience but his choices leave a lot to be desired.

Right now, he needs to take risks and he knows it -- he's actually talking about rotating in 4 positions. And if you know Domenech, that's a pretty amazing admission. He practically admitted in an article on eufa.com that he knows Evra is better than Abidal but has to weigh the risks of giving up stability offered by the longstanding Abidal and going with Evra's superior movement and attacking skills.

Over on eurosport.fr their reporting that his admission that he's considering rotation against the Dutch came as a result of Gallas' public comments that were criticisms of Domenech's instructions to the team. Gallas caused a stir in the French press. He said that Domenech gave instructions to play too cautiously against Romania and that the team had wanted to be more ambitious. This embarrassed Domenech, who countered with "Gallas makes me laugh" and that Gallas "never gets up before noon."

As with

danielgregg
Jun 12, 2008
12:03 PM
As with the wc in 2006, it's going to have to be the veterans who grab the team by the scruff of the neck and force them to advance, despite Domenech.

verbal97
Jun 12, 2008
12:12 PM
Well, I'm bummed!

While Schweinsteiger deserved to be sent off, the Croatian deserves to have his man card taken away. Pushed in the shoulder and acting like you got shot in the face is an embarrassment!

Gunner44
Jun 12, 2008
12:14 PM
Yeah coz I just feel as if Sagna was healthy coz Wenger even said he could have played the last couple of games at the end of the season. He was the best RB before he went down shocked that he didn't even get picked. I think Evra and Clichy both deserve to start over Abidal they both had better seasons than he did. Yeah I also dislike Domenech for his decision making especially after he refused to pick Pires time after time when Pires was still ata Arsenal.

Austria can't score for their lives gosh. But they are playing with purpose and putting on a show for us. Poland seem stunned by how well Austria is playing and the crowed.

aldoray
Jun 12, 2008
12:17 PM
how do u insert a picture into your post

Anybody?

Sleeper000
Jun 12, 2008
12:21 PM
leche,

I'd say the same thing about you and the Czechs. Don't be a hypocrite.
For your information, I did not pick Croatia to win the whole tournament, but I feel they are good enough to do some damage.
Whatever, think however you want. My team can do all the talking for me with their results which is the only thing that matters to me.
By the way, this blog is about objective reasoning which you clearly lack.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 12, 2008
12:22 PM
In football if a team beats another team they are not better than their opponents or better than everyteam their opponents have recently beaten. It doesn't work that way.

The trophy goes to the team that wins the final, not the best team in the tournament.

Italy were not the best team at the WC, and Greece were definately not the best team four years ago.

I don't care if Italy are the best team in the tournament, or play the most attractive football or deserve to win. In fact I'd rather if some other team 'deserves' to win.

Thierry_Henry
Jun 12, 2008
12:28 PM
Aldo, it's annoying that this blog does not provide mechanism. but you do like:

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and replace XXXXXXXXX with the picture URL or LINK.

for instance this picture show as:
<IMG src=http://soccernet-assets.espn.go
.com/design05/images/domr/serna412.
jpg>

danielgregg
Jun 12, 2008
12:30 PM
Wise words from Venti. Almost any team can beat any other team on their day. I say "almost" because I can't quite imagine the Faroe Islands beating Italy or Brazil...but hey, you never know. :-) The Brazil squad could get sick from food poisoning on the day of the game....or they could just be in a rotten mood... or a generous one... :-)

For one game a team can be absolutely brilliant (and lose), the next game, they're quite poor (and still win anyway). Portugal are doing very well but they could flop -- lose key players, get tired, etc. Esp. given the fact that several players at this tournament are coming off the back end of a long season where they played in every major competition.

That's football. You just never know.

Thierry_Henry
Jun 12, 2008
12:31 PM
I recommend reducing the width or the image if it's too long. therefore you would do:

<IMG width=350 src=XXXXXXXX>

350 is the best that fits in this blog without stretching.

flashman
Jun 12, 2008
1:02 PM
Bobby: Just back from watching the first game at a house full of despondent German fans. And despite becoming a vicarious Hrvatska fan through Spurs signing Modric, I've managed to exit with my skin on. Not unlike the real Flashman in The Holstein-Schlessweig Question.

As for Brian Budd, well, I guess from reading all the other comments, I'm all you've got to work with in expressing sadness about his very premature departure.

Love him or hate him, he provided an entertaining and opinionated take on the game each week on Canada's weak-sister sports network, The Score.

But he was a fine player who enjoyed a productive spell as a professional player during the NASL's fledgling years and featured on Canada's national team many times.

His greatest claim to fame was winning three World Superstars challenges, a made for ABC-TV event that pitted top atheletes from various sports against one another to determine each year's 'World's Greatest Athlete.' Budd won it from 1977 to 1979 and was banned from participating in any others since a soccer player winning a U.S. athletic competition was an absolute ratings killer.

Here's a link to a very entertaining interview with another Canadian icon, CBC's Peter Gsowski. Brian Budd, in his prime.

http://archives.cbc.ca/sports/socce
r/topics/2273-13466/

aldoray
Jun 12, 2008
1:09 PM
Thanks alot Thierry Henry

VVV- Isnt the point of the tournaments to find out who the best team is. If the tournament does not produce the best team then whats the use of the tournament. In that case lets get rid of the fifa rankings as well I truly believe Brazil were the best team in 2002 and italy were the best team in 2006(although very boring). If the tournaments do not prove who the best team is then how do u propose we find out who the best is? Any way i guess its all a matter of opinion because there is no tournament or formula u can use to find out who the best player in the world is its all a matter of opinion.

Last edited by aldoray on June 12th at 1:17 PM.

aldoray
Jun 12, 2008
1:13 PM


Do u think he can cut it in la liga and pick up for americans where McBride left off in England.

Last edited by aldoray on June 12th at 1:15 PM.

jstlouis
Jun 12, 2008
1:46 PM
Bobby - were we not talking about the shirt-tugging rules just before the show Wednesday night?

Sometimes your info is just too timely - freaky!

Thierry_Henry
Jun 12, 2008
1:59 PM
Do u think he can cut it in la liga and pick up for americans where McBride left off in England.

Not a chance :)

mucsc01
Jun 12, 2008
2:00 PM
So the old 2008 (real?) Ballack is back -- playing the way he did all year until April. After today, I wish I could retract my call for Germany to win it. This really is wide open though -- if the Netherlands can do to France what they did to Italy (and as presently constituted, this is not a good French team) they will probably be favorites, although I agree with Bobby that they're very suspect at the back. Go for Portugal or Spain...

Question Bobby: why wasn't the Polish goal offside? Unless there was a player offscreen on the wing, I see only one defender between Guerrero and the goal -- the GK is in front of him!

flashman
Jun 12, 2008
2:47 PM
Let's bring up something Bobby wouldn't dare bring up on air.

UEFA wanted the Austrians to get the tie because if Poland won today, and if Croatia deliberately tanked in the last group game against Poland, Croatia and Poland would both go through and Germany would be eliminated.

Would Croatia be willing to give up first place to eliminate a team they profoundly hate? Absolutely, and the Poles would be willing accomplices.

If France and Italy were also eliminated, you would see the teams representing UEFA's most lucrative audiences out of the event and the ad salesmen for the next event in Ukraine-Poland would have their work cut out for them.

Which is why Howard Webb will enjoy a lifetime of free, luxury holidays in the Tirol.

And now, back to a series of meaningless statistics and inoffensive comments from our studio hosts.

ZUCO2
Jun 12, 2008
3:03 PM
All my respect and best wishes to Croatia!

BobbyMcMahon
Jun 12, 2008
3:32 PM
If you are going to try and bait people then at least put together a better effort than that. That is the most pathetic conspiracy theory that I have ever come across. Conspiracies need to have at least a plausible element to them. Considering the tie breaker rules it doesn't even hold together.

Last edited by BobbyMcMahon on June 12th at 3:48 PM.

Miro
Jun 12, 2008
3:34 PM
Thank you Croatia!!!!Thank you Austria...!!!!!!!

Both games are helping the Czechs...first Germany loss puts Croatia vs. the winner of the Czech vs. Turkey game on Sunday in the Q-final and Germany doesn't even have the 2nd spot quaranteed due to the Austrian tie...to play Porugal in their Q-final.

That penalty{against Poland} though was a give away by the ref...

There was so much mutual shirt grabbing that to single out this for a penalty in 93rd minute is good refing.

Venti_vidi_vici
Jun 12, 2008
3:52 PM
I'm already looking forward to the quarter final between Germany and Portugal, as well as Spain against either France or Italy.

amenina
Jun 12, 2008
4:02 PM
Yup, Bobby's right. Even if there's no late penalty by Austria, Germany will definitely go through if they beat Austria in the final match. In case of a 3-way tie among Croatia, Germany, and Poland, Germany cannot finish third because of their positive goal difference (2-0 vs Poland, 1-2 vs Croatia). So Croatia losing to Poland could potentially eliminate themselves (if they lose by two goals or more).

And thanks to the mention by Derek yesterday on FSR of my "little" stat. Much appreciated! :-)

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