Update - the deal is done and has been announced. For those who can't be bothered hitting a link here is the article.
The Dutch Royal Family, through the lineage of the House of Orange, can trace its roots back to the 1500s to a man called William of Orange - aka William the Silent. He was called the Silent as he rarely spoke out on controversial matters.
However that trait didn’t stop him from instigating a rebellion against Spain that lasted eighty years before independence for the United Provinces was achieved nearly a century after his birth.
William the Silent is still known in the Netherlands as the “Father of the Fatherland” although sometime in the last five hundred years the Dutch decided that they liked the independence bit but silence was just not for them.
Just take a look at the in-fighting and public feuding that has been part of most Dutch national teams for good parts of the last thirty odd years. Some may speculate that a calmer more reasonable demeanor might have brought more success to a country that twice lost to home nations in the World Cup Final while flaming out in numerous European Championships and World Cups.
After all, a single European Championship win in 1988 seems scant reward for a nation that has not only produced some of the world’s greatest players over the last four decades but also some of the most entertaining teams.
However, it might also be argued – and what is wrong the Dutch would argue with a good argument – that it may be the Dutch characteristic of single-mindedness and an appetite to discuss and debate controversial issues that has actually allowed the Dutch game to grow and prosper not only nationally but internationally.
It is easy to forget that less than half a century ago Dutch football was an irrelevance. The country may have made it to the 1934 and 1938 World Cup Finals in Italy and France but the amateur footballers of Holland were there to make up the numbers rather than to compete for the trophy.
The turning point came in the mid-fifties as professional teams were sanctioned followed two years later by the creation of a national league. Even then there was no sudden improvement. In the early sixties the Netherlands lost at home to Luxembourg in the European Championship qualifiers – as it happens the last time the Netherlands lost at home in a European qualifying game.
Success came when the authoritative coaching skills of Rinus Michels crossed paths with the fabulous footballing skills of a young Johan Cruyff. Domestic dominance quickly morphed into European success as Ajax won three successive European Cups between 1971 and 1973. Michels became the first top class Dutch coaching export when he left to coach Barcelona after the first European win. Two years later Cruyff also arrived at the Nou Camp.
Both men joined the Los Angeles Aztecs of the NASL for the 1979 season although the spell was largely without success. After the North American sojourn Michels split his time between the Dutch national team and a couple of Bundesliga teams while Cruyff headed home to Holland after a brief spell with Levante in Spain.
Cruyff’s return was fortuitous as it coincided with the emergence of three players who would go on to become part of one of the late 20th century’s great teams – AC Milan. While Marco Van Basten and Frank Rijkaard came under Cruyff’s influence upon his return to Ajax it was not the same for Ruud Gullit.
Gullit had been approached by Ajax as a youngster but the deal was never done. Instead he joined Haarlem before moving to Feyenoord as a 20-year-old in 1982. A year later Dutch football was shocked when Cruyff turned down a contract extension at Ajax and instead opted to join their great rivals Feyenoord. At Feyenoord Gullit was to learn from the master-craftsman.
Later that decade, Van Basten, Rijkaard and Gullit played under Michels in the 1988 European Championship wining side and were signed by Milan’s ambitious owner Silvio Berlusconi.
Berlusconi saw in the three Dutch players a way by which Milan could again dominate Italy and Europe. It worked like a charm and the Milan side with the Dutch trio remains the last team to win back to back European titles. Before their arrival at the San Siro Milan had not won Serie A for almost a decade and the European Cup for nearly 20 years.
But as a player Gullit was never backward about coming forward and was never on Christmas card terms with Fabio Capello or for that matter #### Advocaat. In 1994 Gullit walked out on Advocaat’s Dutch squad just days before the World Cup finals in the USA in 1994.
Injuries took their toll on Gullit and he bounced from Milan to Sampdoria then back to Milan before finally arriving at Stamford Bridge in July 1995. It was a move that reinvigorated the Dutchman and at 33-years-old he was still good enough to finish as runner-up to Eric Cantona as the Premiership Player of the Year.
Glenn Hoddle, the man who signed Gullit, resigned to take the England job in 1996 and the Dutchman was appointed as player-manager to replace him.
The first season in charge brought Chelsea a FA Cup and Gullit became the first non-British manager to win a major English trophy. The year after with his side sitting second in the league and in the last eight of two cup competitions “cuddly” Ken Bates sensationally fired the man who had brought silverware to Stamford Bridge for the first time in 26 years.
To this day it is still unclear as the reasons behind Bates’ actions.
A brief and largely unhappy stint at Newcastle ended after he benched local legend Alan Shearer. Even so Newcastle still made it to the FA Cup Final during his time there only to lose 2-0 to the treble winning Manchester side of 1999.
A period of five years then lapsed before Gullit again took the managerial reins, this time he returned to Feyenoord for the 2004/05 season but a fourth place finish was much below expectations.
So what can the LA Galaxy and fans of MLS teams expect from Ruud Gullit. First of all they are getting a man with the sort of instant credibility that comes from being one of the great players of his generation. His strength, speed, power, skill and tactical acumen made him the consummate modern player. As a player he was recognized around the world.
Some may describe his managerial record as poor or mediocre but that would be harsh. He won the FA Cup with Chelsea (in the days when Chelsea never won anything) and they were well positioned when he was fired. When put in the context of the time his spell time at Chelsea was a success.
The Newcastle job chewed him up and spat him out. The halcyon days of Kevin Keegan had given way to a brief spell under Kenny Dalglish that finished acrimoniously. Under Gullit Newcastle still reached the FA Cup Final (the only team to reach two consecutive finals and lose both times to teams that completed domestic doubles) but a poor start the following season combined with issues in his private life brought his time to an end after only a year. Although Newcastle could not be considered a success it might be more accurate to describe it as a work in progress prematurely terminated.
Certainly the return of the prodigal son to Feyenoord failed to achieve instant success. The Galaxy will be getting a coach that has had some short sharp managerial lessons administered but by now they should have sunk in.
They’re getting a man who can relate to the Beckham circus having been regarded as a god by Milan fans during his playing days and one that is media savvy.
Probably most importantly they are getting a manager who will not be distracted by the media focus on the Galaxy’s most important investment and who understands that no matter how much media attention, the Galaxy, like every other professional sports team, is in the results business.
It will also have not escaped Gullit’s notice that he will be following in the footsteps of two giants of the game who have also been two of his greatest influences - Michels and Cruyff.
Twenty-eight years ago the Dutch duo joined a league that was hemorrhaging money and was destined for extinction. Even though Michels was a pioneer who showed the world what Dutch coaching could offer, nothing registered in North America.
But the rest of the globe took notice and you have only to look at the 2006 World Cup in which Leo Beenhakker, Guus Hiddink and #### Advocaat all coached other countries to understand how highly valued and appreciated Dutch coaching is.
But with the exception of Thomas Rongen, MLS has to date not fallen under Dutch influence. Now Gullit, a Dutch football Crown Prince, has been presented with a chance to resurrect his managerial career and to perhaps leave a mark on the game in North America in a way that his royal footballing forefathers could not.
The Ruud Gullit File Born Sept 1, 1962, in Amsterdam.
Club Career Haarlem 1978-1982 Feyenoord 1982-1985 PSV Eindhoven 1985-1987 Milan 1987-1993 Sampdoria 1993-1994 Milan 1994-1995 Sampdoria 1995 Chelsea 1995-98
471 games, 174 goals.
International Career Netherlands, 66 caps, 16 goals.
Honours Dutch Second Division 1981 Eredivisie 1984, 1986, 1987 Dutch Cup 1984 Serie A 1988, 1992, 1993 Coppa Italia 1994 Italian Super Cup 1988, 1992, 1994 Champions League 1989, 1990 European Super Cup 1990 Intercontinental Cup 1990 FA Cup 1997 European Championship 1988
Managerial Career Chelsea 1996-1998 1997 Won FA Cup; 6th in Premiership. Newcastle United 1998-1999 1999 FA Cup Runners Up; 13th in Premiership Feyenoord 2004-2005 Finished 4th in Eredivisie
Good article Bobby. So what do you think his chances of success are? What would constitute success? Nothing less than winning it all in style I guess. It's LA after all.
BTW, where did your glasses go? I noticed you no longer wear them on FSR. Contacts or laser surgery?
Haha! He actually mentioned it on the show! That's where I first heard about it.
Has anyone seen Nasri play yet? Great playmaker that will most likely leave Marseille at the end of this season.
"Right now, I only want to think of Marseille. But in future, I do want to try other leagues. I love the football that's played abroad, especially in Spain and Italy."
Success will be defined by the Galaxy playing some proper Sexy Football, and maybe attracting a few other Euro stars to the Galaxy and the league. Who cares about winning, nothing matters in the MLS, the table isn't important and the cup is a #### shoot.
I love the French National team so when I get the chance I try to see Nasri hearing so much good of him. I have seen 3-4 times and he has done nothing, I have been dissappointed.
Ruud may well bring sexy football to the Galaxy but how is he going to resolve the shiite that LA have had in defense this year?
A good appointment for LA and the MLS at first glance . I just ask the question is Gullit's primary philophy going to be
'improve the Galaxy through better coaching'
or
'buy in talent and make it work'
Yet again Alexi Lalas has more vision and balls than pretty much everyone else in the MLS organizations.
This will be a tough job for Gullitt.
He can work with Beckham, sure but look at some of the dross he's got on the cuurent roster.
Donovan is the class of the MLS.
Cannon is good enough. Harmse is OK, Klein is a good prospect, Vagenas is good, Glinton shows promise, Buddle has some good attributes and Martino is a grafter.
The others? They probably wouldn't look out of place in League One.
When is the MLS tranfer window (or is it swapsies window)?
Again great piece. Why do you think Klinsmann has fallen out of favor as a coach? It sounded like he was way up there on a lot of teams list, just wondering. Or was it just speculation?
Craigyf-
Alexi Lalas has vision! When did he get lasik surgery? You must be taking the ####. That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
Quite a few of Gullit's teammates on the Milan squad of the late 80's are now very successful coaches.
Ancelotti - Milan head coach
(Tassotti and Costacurta are assistants)
Baresi - Milan youth coach
Van Basten - Holland national team manager
Donadoni - Italy national team manager
Rijkaard - Barcelona coach
The Galaxy are now officially an elite international club.
AEG brought DB in as Simon Fuller sent him here. As far as Gullit? AEG.
I know several print and tv journos in this country as well as people that played with Lalas throughout the years.
Off the record, it's a hearty laugh that Lalas is in the position he's in.
I'd say you, Bobby, Alberta, Ringo and some others on this blog that escape me have more right being a GM than he does.
As far as the Galaxy being an elite club? What? Remember they could not even make the playoffs this season.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a GM in place to be the person who selects players and does thw dealinbg to get them?
But even if it isn't in his job description Lalas does a job of being the face of the Galaxy.
AEG Paid for Beckham, I couldn't really find anything that said Anshutz actually chose Beckham. Wasn't that initial contact made In Europe in the spring of 07?
I'm not being funny, I'd just like to know the details so I can neatly slot Lalas into some sort of mental pigeonhole :)
Yes, a GM in a traditional sense has that role. But Lalas
having such knowledge and insight to get DB and RG? I don't buy it.
He is certainly a mouthpiece for the team and one with hyperbolic tendencies. He is living off his goatee inspired years up until WC'94. I give him credit for playing in Italy for 2 years but I just don't agree that he has the best vision in the MLS. His team could not even make the playoffs in this league.
How he is the GM of the Galaxy is a wonder in the world of American sport.
Last edited by gongatore on November 8th at 7:10 PM.
So where is the article(s) that says - ***** initiated the deal to bring Gullitt or Beckham to the MLS.
None of the the stuff I've dredged up is that specific.
Bobby , can you clarify this?
Here's maybe a better explanation of what I mean by vision, in this context.
Lalas (or whomever) is in the can...
"lets bring the biggest name in football to the MLS - who is that? he has to be old enough to come here but young enough to have the legs for a season or two. He doesn't even have to be the best footballer." Ronaldo, too fat! Ronaldinho - too horsey. Zidane too French, Gotta be an English speaker!"
"Yallop's gone, good riddance the guy was just too dull for the Galaxy. Wy not make Beckham player/manager, naah! Klinsmann - very California! Capello, too Italian. Mourinho - too grumpy! McClaren, his red face wouldn't fit in SoCal! Someone sexy! Someone Holywood.!"
I think you follow the money and you will find out where the "vision" came from. When I say floow the money money I mean either who is paying it or receiving it.
Craigy I was at that game, it was so friggin cold, and hot chocolate cost 8 dollars!!! That goal looked like a dangerous kick on Taylor, am I wrong? Bobby. . . anyone for that matter.
Bobby l just read somewhere were benitez wants kenwin jones in a swap with crouch.how would you rate that transfer given that he has produced people like kuyt who are an abortion
Rico-I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. Twellman got his foot in a dangerous area but also that was some poor defending as Craigy pointed out..I was also wondering if you were there. Thats ridiculous how much hot chocolate was!
H14-Don't believe everything you read.
Craigy-You won't see Ruud bringing in sexy football because the MLS lacks the pace and verve its European counterpart has.
Watching the game last night, a guy like Blanco who has talent, shouldn't be one who is dictating terms of the match. You could see he couldn't run up and down the pitch yet he was probably the most influential player on the pitch behind Joseph of the Revs.
If Gullit can bring in some talent then that could change the MLS but until then we are just going to be watching a stale version of what we could see over in Europe's "smaller" leagues.
For you gambling addicts out there-300-1 on Liverpool repeating the feat of Tuesday night against Fulham at the weekend.
mclaren seems to think that russia have a difficult game in israel and croatia have a difficult game in macedonia but thinks that they will easily beat croatia.the truth of the matter is that as a team croatia are the best team in that group and could easily beat england
Pretty sure the Commonwealth games gets coverage on our national carrier CBC as for caring guess it depends how much you are interested in track and field and whatever else they do. Canada also participates in the Franco games when it was in Ottawa many years ago I had the pleasure of seeing a bunch of Soccer games but couldn't tell you otherwise of what was going on.
hmmm...how can a player be out of form when they were injured and scored a hat trick shortly before the injury. awfully harsh if you ask me.
anyway, how will Rooney's injury affect England's chances? and will it be detrimental to ManU considering the form that he on and the partnership with Tevez is on? (I feel like the narrator of the show "Soap")
Serbia NT wants to select Bojan Krkic for their EURO '08 campaign. His father is Serb, his mother is Catalan/Spanish. He has until the age of 21 to make an official decision on where he would like to play international football. He has said he would prefer to play for Spain (he's already played for the U-17 team).
The Serbian FA have been sending him literature & DVDs on why he should choose them over Spain.
"Does anyone in Canada pay any attention to the games?"
They do in Edmonton, Ringo. My hometown hosted the 1978 games and received a great stadium as a legacy that our national football team uses for big games. I saw Canada draw Brazil there in a packed house of 60,000+ just before Romario, Bebeto, Dunga, Cafu and co. won the 1994 World Cup. It was also used for the recent world U-20 championships and as a host for the 2001 World Track and Field Championships.
UEFA CL Fantasy League Standing after match day 4:
Team / Matchday Score / Total Score
Gabemen / 61 / 204
CIAO / 77 / 198
Ulsterson / 64 / 184
Royal Arse (MasMaz) / 44 / 175
verbal97 / 48 / 173
Arsenal FC / 27 / 171
Reggare Gunners / 27 / 170
Hardly Athletic FC (Atleti) / 51 / 130
If I recall correctly gabemen, Ulsterson and I were in 4th, 5th and 6th place before this week. So all three of us climbed up the later and pushed MasMaz, verbal and Arsenal FC down the table. Meanwhile Atleti silently and slowly attempt at closing the gap has began to show the fruits of her labor... ;)
I think Sleeper would agree with you regarding Croatia..
-Lol. Absolutely true. I couldn't have said it better myself, H14.
It's a shame that Rooney is hurt, because if England lose to Croatia at home, they will use Rooney being out as an excuse.
Question: What did Rooney to do the last time England played Croatia?
Last edited by Sleeper000 on November 9th at 10:45 AM.
I don't recall if he played but Croatia won 2-0 thanks to one by Eduardo and an own goal by Neville.
Rooney normally scores against minnows as does Gerrard.
I don't think it matters at all that he's injured, play Crouch as he's a nightmare to mark. I still think England will qualify. Israel is no pushover certainly against a side as inconsistant as Russia.
I agree that Croatia is the best side in this group but they'll have their hands full against an England "playing for the Queen" and "fighting for the Empire", you know all that fleet street rubbish.
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Unfortunately, Gary Neville isn't around to score for Croatia, although it was Robinson's fault. Seeing England's squad list makes me laugh that anyone would think that they are one of the world's top teams (ok, there's a couple injured players, but still). There's a whole lot of above average players, a couple legit world-class players and a dunce for a manager (and keeper). It's strange but perhaps Sven OVER-achieved with this bunch.
FYI CIAO, I actually moved UP the standings from 7th to 5th. It should be noted that gabemar is in last place this month in the channel 4 league...just saying.
Well, I already had a prediction about 2 weeks ago.
It goes like this:
Croatia : Macedonia: 1:1 (Tradionaly push Croatia to the limit).
Russia : Israel: 1:1
Croatia : England 2:2 (providing both teams chose to play their strongest squads available).
If Soccer were a popularity contest in terms of winning tropheys, England would be the undisputed champion. Sadly for England, it is not. Let the good 'ole mediocrity days begin.
Verbal - I concur re: England's perpetual lofty status and you are right Sven did overachieve. Obviously they have some very good players but as a side, I just don't see it.
I wonder what the opposition thinks that DB is back in the squad.
He'll get as much respect as he did in the MLS.
I still think they'll qualify.
England might still qualify if Russia were to lose. In that case they would theoretically only need a point against Croatia. They are a plus seven on gd's against Russia. Granted, Russia play Andorra next, but the Croats are the only team that were able to truly thump Andorra.
On the side note: If England does not qualify who are they going to root for? Scotland (if they make it)....lol, France.....Germany....hmmm.
That'd be interesting.
Looking at the qualifier standings... Most of the groups still are tight.
Group A
Poland 24
Portugal 23
Serbia 20
Finland 20
Group B
France 25
Scotland 24
Italy 23 (has a game in hand)
Group C
Greece 25
Norway 20
Turkey 18
Group E
Croatia 26 (has a game in hand)
England 23
Russia 21 (has a game in hand)
Group G
Romania 26
Netherlands 23
Bulgaria 19
Group D (Czech Rep. and Germany both at 23) and Group F (Sweden 23 and Spain 22) are pretty much sealed.
If I am not mistaken after the 14 teams are identified, four teams that placed third with the highest points will playoff for two more bonus spots. Currently Groups A, B, E and G have the highest points for the third place teams (Serbia 20, Italy 23, Russia 21 and Bulgaria 19). Which is somewhat unfair to the likes of Finland with 20 points in fourth place gets beat out by Bulgaria that has 19 points but as mentioned is in third place.
If Turkey beat Norway next week, they will leap frog into 2nd place. If so, they will qualify.
England on the other hand have their hands tied and have to wait on other games results to fall in their favor. I'm sorry to say that I don't think it will go Englands way...
The same for Scots... Italy and France will go through while they will have to compete in the bonus rounds. However, I think the Scots will play England in the bonus playoff and book their way to the finals doing no favors to the Queen. Let someone else save the Queen...
I think Group C's 3rd place team will have more points than Group G. Which will mean probably Norway playing Serbia for the bonus qualification. Norway will make it through for my final spot prediction.
The 16 teams:
Poland, Portugal, France, Italy, Scotland, Greece, Turkey, Norway, Czech Republic, Germany, Croatia, Russia, Sweden, Spain, Romania and Netherlands.
This time Greece will not make it out of the EURO 2008 group stages. I hope they get paired up with either the Czech Rep. or Portugal in the group stages.
I thought it was going to be 14 teams plus the two host nations. They're really going to hold 3rd place playoffs?
They would have mentioned something about it by now.
Last edited by Sleeper000 on November 9th at 12:48 PM.
Adriano said he wants to leave Inter in January for playing as he wants to regain his spot on the NT.
According to the club website he has played in four league games (252 minutes) and scored 1 goal. He was subbed out once and subbed in twice. He also has on the bench twice without being brought on. He has not taken part with the team for the CL or the Coppa.
To all -considering the above, Adriano is an eligible player for any CL team. Do you foresee him moving? And if so, to which club? If this differs from a club you think would be best suited for him, please share your opinion.
I personally think Inter might try to swap him with Shevchenko. Even though Shevchenko would not be able to take part in the CL, he is a proven talent in the Serie A and could make a large impact if he can play with Ibra. Plus Inter would get even with Milan for Ronaldo.
Another possible destination is Istanbul. Fenerbahce could pretty much guarantee him first team football. They are well placed to move on in the CL too. The team is coach by a Brazilian and he would have 4-5 Brazilian team-mates.
Roma is a possability. However, on only a swap. Inter has been interested in Perrota, DeRossi and Mancini. One of the three would have to move to Inter. So I doubt this would happen.
Even after all the talk, I doubt Real will make a move for him. They have enough strikers that do not get enough playing time.
My opinion is that a loan move to Istanbul, with the option of making the move permanent at the end of the season would be the best way to go. Fenerbahce would be able to provide him minutes. And if they purchase him and he regains form they could turn around some profit.
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