Gongatore - If warranted is there a side in Europe that you could see Altidore going to in the next transfer window? How do you rate Cruz and Zlatan at Inter?
Bobby – Moving clubs is an individual decision but from my point of view I think the rush to have Jozy Altidore move to Europe is ill-advised. He’s better off in MLS where he can play regularly for the next season or two. If he really makes an impact then when he moves he will be on his terms.
Cruz has scored goals throughout his career and continues to do so – a reliable goal scorer but well short of being one of the best. Zlatan on his day can be one of the world’s best players. It depends on whether or not it is his day!
Albertagooner - I'm trying to figure out how Patrick Barclay has managed to spot Arsenal's aerial weakness. Neither of United's goals involved a high ball hoofed into the box. In any event, both Gallas and Toure have a wonderful spring. I'd rather have them than taller defenders who have difficult marking strikers, such as Jamie Carragher or John Terry.
Bobby – I think Barclay is identifying a more traditional weakness rather than one that showed up on Saturday. The problem use to show up when Sol Campbell was missing and there is still a doubt in my mind about how well Arsenal deal with crosses.
It seems to me one of the things that they have improved on this year is not allowing so many crosses to reach the penalty box. I don’t have the stats to prove that and it could just be a case of Arsenal retaining more possession. I never considered Jamie Carragher to have had any trouble marking strikers. The only issue with Terry is that sometimes he can be caught out by a quick forward one-on-one but his anticipation and the way he plays the angles makes it a rare occurrence.
gabemar - Would you rate the chances of the three teams (Villarreal, Fiorentina and Man. City), who seem to be challenging the status quo on the three big leagues, at contending for at least CL spot until the end of the season? Also the last few weeks you have not been wearing your glasses at FSR. Are you wearing contacts or did you have lasik surgery? How do you like not wearing them?
Bobby – Villarreal and Fiorentina, Champions League spots yes. Manchester City – the jury is still out. Apart from a very poor start last season Villarreal has been a consistent performer in Liga for a few seasons now and it would not be a surprise to see them finish in the top four.
Fiorentina has an outstanding manger in Cesare Prandelli did a great job with Parma and it was unfortunate that he could not stick with Roma when he was appointed. Fiorentina’s Sporting Director Pantaleo Corvino has a great reputation and the two of them seem to putting together a very good team – even though they regularly lose players. Mutu is playing great again and Pazzini could become a very good player. There are lots of others as well.
City has a habit of starting well and fading and it might turn out to be different under SGE. However, it was interesting to note that Eriksson commented last week that he felt that other clubs might be preparing better when facing City. I think what he really meant was other teams were looking for ways to shut down Elano. Against Sunderland yesterday City collected three points but it was brutal performance by both sides.
I had laser surgery a few weeks ago and it has been great. No problems and I have my distance sight back again. Still need readers for close work in poor light but that was expected.
Flashman - How much longer can AC Milan resist the urge to pull the trigger and bring in a new manager? Huh? And how much longer can AC Milan resist the urge to make that new manager the former manager at Chelski? Yeah, the Portuguese bloke, Mourinho. That's the one.
And how long will we have to endure the myth that this year's edition of the Arsene Wenger Slight of Hand Show is the New Invincibles? Coz it ain't. It simply has to be said, because no one elsewhere has bothered to note this, that Arsenal, thus far, have played one of the softest league schedules imaginable. They've been outside of London proper only once in league play this year and coughed up an away draw to nasty Bla-hack-ahack-aburn Rovers.
Bobby – Ancelotti’s now served six years at the San Siro and his time has to be up soon. One way of coaxing the last possible piece of talent out of an older squad is to change the manager.
In terms of Arsenal’s schedule so far you are right but it is a bit of a red herring. London teams are all going to be in a similar position given that if you include Reading there are six London teams. That means that this season Arsenal will play nearly 2/3rds of their games in the London area. The counter to your argument has been put forward by a number of London clubs. The suggestion is that because of the high number of derby games London clubs actually have a tougher time of it.
Arsenal’s schedule is out of sync but that is down to the Champions League third round qualifying game that bumped an early season trip to Newcastle. As for being an easy schedule there are always going to be easy and more difficult runs. But if you compare to Tottenham’s schedule you will find that both clubs have played Sunderland, Derby, Manchester United, Fulham, Bolton, Liverpool and Blackburn Rovers. Spurs have faced five away games to Arsenal’s three. Of the remaining games Spurs have played Villa, Newcastle, Boro and Everton. Arsenal have played Manchester City, Portsmouth, and West Ham. Overall – probably about even.
PS – you missed Arsenal’s visit to Anfield of two weeks ago.
CIAO - When players and managers move to other clubs for large sums of money, you always hear them say "it wasn't about the money." The move usually is to a club that has a greater opportunity to win trophies.
That said, Ramos' move to Spurs puzzles me. He essentially built a good side that has been winning trophies. He quits too move to the Spurs. A club that placed 5th in the EPL for the past two seasons and has not won trophies. Does not play in the CL and potentially may not even qualify to play the CL next season...
It just doesn't add up. Do you by chance see some other reason (other than large sums of money) that would make Ramos' move an attractive one?
Bobby – Well the first thing I would point out is that Ramos did not build that Sevilla team – he has only been there for a little more than two seasons. He certainly turned them into trophy winners but the foundation was put in place for him – he took them over the top.
Sporting Director Ramon Rodriguez Verdejo appears to have played a more important role in turning Sevilla into a top club than Ramos. I don’t think Ramos tried to hide the fact that the money was too good to turn down.
Aldoray - What do you think about Peter Crouch as a player and his situation at Liverpool. I believe he is seriously being overlooked too often and he might be hitting the exit door at Anfield very soon along with Kewell.
Bobby – Here we go again. As I said on Monday night’s FSR a lot of people seem to think that because he is awkward to play against that it makes him a great player. When you hear Steven Gerrard suggest that Crouch has a great chance to break Jimmy Greaves England scoring record then you have to shake your head in disbelief.
The “Crouch is Great” lobby seems to base their views on his scoring record to minutes played as opposed to games appeared in. The argument goes something like this. He has an impact when he comes on and scores lots of goals so he should be on more often or earlier or even from the beginning. So let’s see if the statistics actually back up the view that Crouch is an underappreciated talent by Rafa Benitez and others.
I would suggest that the best statistics to use are from the Premiership. Reason – it gives a comparison to other strikers plus it shows the longer term effectiveness of a player against sides that are better prepared to play against the player having scouted strengths, weaknesses etc. more thoroughly.
Over the last two seasons and a bit Peter Crouch has appeared in 70 Premiership games for Liverpool – he has started in 47 and come on as a substitute in 23. He has scored 15 Premiership goals. Only four of these goals have been clutch goals – goals that either turned a potential draw into a win or a loss into a draw.
His average scoring rate is one goal every 4.66 appearances. That rate doesn’t get him in the top 100 Premiership scorers. Comparison examples - Henri Camara 3.41, James Beattie 3.99, Jan-Aage Fjortoff 3.36, Marian Pahars 3.07, Dion Dublin 2.81.
But, the Crouch lobby would argue, that goals per appearance are not a reliable indicator because although Crouch may appear many of his appearances are relatively short and have to be adjusted for. So in the interest of fairness I went back over the minutes actually played and converted into the equivalent of full ninety minute games.
This substantially improves Crouch’s average – it translates to a goal every 2.81 games, equal to Dion Dublin’s but Dublin’s average has not been adjusted to minutes played. I must have missed the “Dublin for England” lobby a few years ago.
So how does Crouch’s record stack up against some of his contemporaries? I looked at two younger players over the last two and a bit seasons – Robin van Persie and Bobby Zamora. Based on goals per minutes played RVP clocks in at an average o####oal every 2.08 Premiership games - Bobby Zamora a goal every 2.64 Premiership games. Both substantially better than Crouch.
The next point that is normally argued is that Crouch is good in the air. Given that he is five inches short of seven foot tall he should be. Well what do the statistics show? Four of his 15 Premiership goals at Liverpool have come from headers (midfielder Tim Cahill in two and a bit seasons has scored from five headers for Everton).
An interesting stat that sticks out is how few games Crouch actually completes – only 19 full Premiership games in 47 starts. And it is not just a case of being substituted in the last five minutes. His average stint in a Premiership game for Liverpool (based on him starting) when substituted, is just a few seconds short of 65 minutes.
It’s also something that shows up in his England appearances. Add it all up and a reasonable conclusion is that Crouch finds it difficult to play ninety minutes hence the reason that Benitez starts him on bench so often. Rather than playing him against fresh players it would make more sense to have him come on late when defences are tired. And guess what - he looks impressive.
But the “Crouch is Great” group then jump to Crouch’s goals in the Champions League and for England. On the basis of goals scored his numbers are impressive…….but. His goals for England have come against Estonia, Macedonia, Andorra, Greece, Trinidad & Tobago, Jamaica, Hungary and Uruguay - clutch goals two. In addition he has only completed nine games although he has collected 22 caps.
In Champions League last season he scored all seven goals against group opponents (although PSV were also opponents in the first knock out phase). It strongly suggests that again Crouch’s value is in his awkwardness to play against and uniqueness. Teams facing him for the first time have difficulty dealing with him but over time they solve the problem.
So if you are looking for a striker who is tall but not necessarily good in the air, isn’t up to playing ninety minutes, and has trouble scoring clutch goals then I guess Peter Crouch is your man.
As for heading out of the door – could happen but he will not be joining a team better than Liverpool that is going to give him any more playing time.
Syncrew - 1 Now that Avram Grant has had 10 or so matches in charge ,what do you see as the big difference between Jose's and Avram's Chelsea ? 2 Since it’s up on the blog I may as well ask who you think is the most underrated and overrated striker in Europe? 3 How do you rate Alex? He seems to be doing well in place of Terry and is keeping Ben-Haim out of the team. (Ignore that foul against Schalke.)
Bobby – 1. It’s quieter around Stamford Bridge and Sir Alex Ferguson is aiming shots exclusively at the Emirates again.
2. You will have to define underrated and overrated. As I’ve pointed out before just because a player is considered “overrated” it doesn’t mean that he is not better than an “underrated” player. If I had to sign one striker in the world it would be a fit Samuel Eto’o.
3. Alex - Good player although I’m not sure keeping Ben-Haim out of the team should be the measure of him. I think his potential is well beyond a competent journeyman such as Ben-Haim.
Gunner44 - Is it Healthy for the game that 3 or is 4 managers have already lost their jobs and it's only been 2 1/2 months in the league. Is it the managers that are to blame or the Board? I read somewhere that someone said if Spurs don't improve the whole board should be fired.
Don't managers deserve more time to prove themselves? Very few managers have the ability to turn a team into a winning side in their first season. Like Jol should have been given at least till Jan before they left them go. He had been in top 5 for 2 straight seasons and almost took Arsenal out of top 4. Taking ManUre, Chelski, Liverfools and Arse out of top 4 won't be an easy thing to do and Jol came very close to doing it.
Bobby – It is a merry-go-round and I think the managers are wise to it. Sign a three year deal for a lot of money – if you get fired you get a huge pay out. What astonishes me are the choices that some owners make – Sammy Lee and Chris Hutchings stand out. The cost of relegation is huge (even after parachute payments) and if the club’s finances are stretched with longer term player contracts involving Premiership wages even if the side is relegated then the a financial meltdown is possible.
Djnima -1. What do you think is the reason of Lampard's turnaround in form? 2. Have you heard anything of McLaren's visit to LA? A little bird told me that he may become the manager of the Galaxy after England doesn’t qualify. Becks has been recalled. Do you think he will make 100 caps?
Bobby – 1. The form of all players comes and goes and isn’t necessarily based on scoring goals. Lampard has spent the games prior to the one against Leicester in the Carling Cup shooting from almost anyplace. Just because they have started going in doesn’t mean that his form has necessarily turned around.
2. McClaren’s visit to LA appears to be pointless and beyond the ridiculous rumour that he is shopping himself to LA Galaxy I have not heard a reasonable explanation. If McClaren was looking to move then surely he would not be as stupid as this.
At least when SGE met with Abramovich he at least tried to keep it undercover. Has Becks been recalled? You are ahead of me on that one. How about another explanation – McClaren came over in person to tell Beckham that he has not been recalled?
Wiegs9 – I have a silly question that maybe somebody can answer. What are the large, reddish #### lapel pins that you, Jeremy and Mitch were wearing last night and the ones that the Sky Sports presenters (and some Premiership managers) are wearing? Unfortunately, I must have missed the show where this was mentioned. Thanks!
Bobby – They are red poppies that are worn in Commonwealth countries in honour of the people who gave their lives during the wars. Remembrance Day is November 11 and the poppy is worn as a symbol and a mark of respect. The poppy flower was chosen as they grow in Flanders where some of the most brutal battles of WW1 were fought.
JayAlves - "Fergie support for Blatter stance on imports Sir Alex Ferguson believes clubs should be seen to have 'a proportion of home-based players' - and feels rivals Arsenal would 'protest the loudest' at such a rule.”
Bobby – It is a sure sign that Ferguson is more concerned about Arsenal than the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool. I understand the full article quotes him as saying that all that would need to happen is for the Premiership clubs to agree to such a proposal. He is wrong.
Unless UEFA/FIFA are given full autonomy over soccer in Europe (and it is clear that will not happen) it would need the European Union to repeal the commitment to the free movement of labour within member countries (as it applies to soccer player) or at the very least agree to the exception under the terms of the "Lisbon Treaty" of a few weeeks ago which regards sport as special. It cannot be done unilaterally just because a few rich owners decide that they would like to.
Although I’m sure that the United owners would be happy to see the value of their investment erode as worldwide television money would shrink and the price of “home-grown” players rocket.
In a perverted way United are to blame for this. Before Matt Busby took over the manager’s job at United teams never groomed young players as a way to build a team. They signed local players who played at lower levels or proven professional players from other clubs.
It was United’s then chairman James Gibson and Busby who came up with the idea of signing the best young players and developing them. The initial focus was on Manchester youngsters but as the pool dried up United cast a much wider net to cover the rest of England as well as Scotland, Wales and both parts of Ireland.
That is why the Busby Babes came from so many different parts of the British Isles. Other clubs would complain about United poaching “their” local products. Arsenal is using the same philosophy except now scouting is done on a global basis.
MasMaz -I agree and disagree with your numbers on people watching Football worldwide. They are not anywhere as high as they claim but they are higher than you say. Especially for the WC final and the Champs league final. Did you ever see that movie about the child buddhist monk and his buddies trying to catch the '02 final?
Impossible to verify but I would guess that 200 million people watched the '02 final in Europe and South America between the 2 continents alone, adding the rest of the world I would say at least 300 million, maybe even 400.
Bobby – Television viewership of sporting events in 2006 - articles including numbers.
Great analysis on Crouch and before the bean pole loving fan club come running waving todays result it fits exactly the bill of what Bobby said.
Besiktas walked out saw Crouch and said what the hell is that thing and how do we mark it. I still remember one of Crouches first games against Chelsea where Liverpool were able to dominate large portions of the game because every time Carvalho tried to mark him they ended up in a pretzel of arms and legs. On that day Liverpool were lucky as the ref felt obliged that it was Carvalho's fault that a gust of wind can topple the lanky striker. Funny part is I also remember a later game where the opposite was the result as Carvalho had learned how to deal with the striker and the ref that day didn't feel sympathetic to blow every call one way.
Sorry to dredge up a topic from the previous entry, but I just wanted to comment on something mentioned: I couldn't imagine NOT having 7 subs on the bench on the club level. It gives managers in Spain (and the other places they do this) more choices, which might include B team players who have been playing well in the lower division team.
A typical Atleti bench looks like this:
GK, centre-back, right-back, central mid, Jurado (winger), Reyes (winger/striker), & Simao (winger/striker)
So did anyone have Yossi Benayoun on their fantasy champs league team? From what i saw he had 3 goals, and what appeared to be at least two assists. Might have been more but not sure.
Holy Mackeral! I knew I was clever but I didn't know my faculties of observation could pinpoint nearly the exact same figures that the statisticians came up with in the first article.
Just to keep things in perspective, Fabio Aurelio:
"We have confidence in our team," Aurelio told Liverpoolfc.tv. "But we know that we're not all of a sudden the best team in the world, just as we knew when we were criticised that we weren't the worst.
"It was a good step forward but we still have a lot to do against Porto and Marseille. Everyone can still get through but we know it depends on us whether or not we do it.
"We know we are very strong at Anfield and the other teams will have seen this result. All we have to do is keep working hard and believing."
Bobby, you can torture the statistics until they surrender all you want, but Crouch is more than just goals. He creates space for others, a team is able to play through him via the air or the ground in build-up play and has the ability to score awesome goals (see Galatasaray and Bolton for proof). Now nobody is touting him as one of the top strikers (at least I'm not), but he is very good. I just can't understand why anyone would take the time to so vociferously say he's not. What did he do, date and dump a niece of yours or something?
Cesc has played in every game but the Carling cup ones I'm pretty sure. It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to play today... and thats why C.Ronaldo is my captain today ;P
Here's an honest question...With teams like Slavia Prague and Besiktas getting absolutely housed by the 4th and 3rd place English teams from last year, how can Platini have any case for opening more spaces for the smaller teams. Shouldn't the Champions' League be a showcase for European football's best teams? I do know that Platini's plan has no chance, but it seems excessively silly in light of the recent results.
Bobby, did you forget to answer my questions or you just didn't think they were worth answering?
I guess Rakitic answered one of my questions with yesterday's performance.
Sleeper000 - Sorry but I missed them. There were so may comments this week I am sure that I also missed others - and I apologize. In terms of Portsmouth you nailed it pretty well. Before yesterday I had only seen Rakitic once and he impresses as he did again yesterday.
No worries Bobby.
There are a few issues with Rakitic which I feel will be resolved with experience. I think he needs to be stronger on one-on-ones, and try to get the ball back after losing it. The one clear flaw that can never be taught is speed. He is not one of the faster guys out there. Everything else about this player looks impressive though.
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Thanks, Bobby. But for me the people need to stop looking only at the coaches and start looking at the board also because they are the ones who bring in the coaches.
Has anyone read the top 100 list compiled by Association of Football Statisticians it's on Soccernet. It the damest list ever made. Maradona is 6, Ronaldo (not C.) is 2, Cruffy is not even in the top 10, Wiltord is in the list, only one African player is good enough to make the list and thats Kanu, while the Abedi Pele, George Weah, R. Song, S. Eto, Hadji and many more didn't even make the list. Who ever made the list should be banned from reporting anything to do with soccer.
If Platini plan to change the C.L goes through we will be seeing alot of what we have seen this year from Liverfools 8-0 win and Arsenal 7-0 not only in the group stages but in the 2nd round to.
Nick Webster is trying to compare two players that you just can't compare. C. Ronaldo will always be famous because he has more flair and is more entertaining to even people who don't watch soccer, Cesc on the other hand is a player loved and respected by people who follow and understand soccer.
You know, Gunner44, I saw that list and it's a point based system using stats, etc. So it's mathematical, not opinion based. Which, of course, doesn't justify it, but I would like to know what kind of system they used.
That said, the "best all time 4-4-2" it picked based on best ranking at each position in said formation, seems ok to me:
GK - Peter Schmeichel
• LB - Roberto Carlos
• CB - Lothar Matthaus
• CB - Franz Beckenbauer
• RB - Cafu
• LM - Johan Cruyff
• CM - Zinedine Zidane
• CM - Michel Platini
• RM - Luis Figo
• ST - Ronaldo
• ST - Pele
Although there's that Maradona fellow gone missing.
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Eduardo and Bendtner up front, Walcott on the right. Could this be the lineup of the future for Arsenal? Those three looked good together in the Carling Cup match. I honestly think that Eduardo would pair up better with Bendtner than with Ade. We'll see.
Sleeper oh my god, I got nothing against Eduardo, but can we hold out on the talk about him until he actually plays?
I mean you might want to get help for that, a man crush is one thing, but I don't want to read an article in 3 months time about a stalker camping outside of this guys house!
The only reason I mentioned Eduardo because he was playing in that lineup. Please leave your homosexual fantasies to yourself alrico....
Do you even know who's playing today?
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Sleeper is excused: that's what happens when you're a supporter of a club. You talk about particular players constantly.I shamelessly & endlessly write about Atletico players on my blog.
Gullit to LA!!!
Help ma bob…
Should the article be proven true it’ll be trendy haircuts all around.
The Fox Sports web article by Robert Burns (a Scot dae ye think?) makes reference to Gullit being a product and a proponent of the Dutch “Total Football” system.
For those of us less will informed could you please provide a brief overview of that system, its pro’s/con’s etc…
What will it bring to LA Galaxy football and the MLS?
Rico, you're way off about the %. You obviosly haven't been reading my comments. Regardless, I'll write about whoever I want to and if you don't like it don't read it.
I think Wenger picked the wrong strategy today. Should've started Eduardo up front right away rather than on the wing. I guess, when you're pretty much qualified to the next round, it's ok to experiment. Everybody played horribly though.
Ciao - you've forgotten the other bloke who got the GERMAN FACIAL!
Rikjaard!
Sachhi was a footballing genius! That AC Milan side was damnably good! But was it better than the Napoli side with the fat cokehead in it?
Gullit did well at Chelsea. He'll be a shot in the arm for the MLS. But could he sort out the shiite that LA had at the back this season!
Almost every MLS game you see one schoolboy defensive error - Boswell in the DC game last week - is something not getting through to to the US kids about defending?
Anyone explain why MLS defending often just isn't very good?
Davard - that's a very modern looking best 11. Puskas, Dean, Moore, Stiles, Best, Trautmann.
I saw Sporting- Roma today.
Roma got a very luck break, but then again so did Empoli on sunday so what goes around comes around I guess.
As for inter today wow when they were 2-0 down i was so suprised but i was even more suprised when they equalized in 3 minutes.
Wenger plays people all over the place forcing them to learn and become more complete players. Henry was a winger before he was a striker and its very apparent in his game today where he can easily play from the wing or inside. The same can be said for Eboue as a current player. He was questionable at time as an out and out right back/wing back but looks great now when hes tracking back from midfield covering Sagna. Too bad he hasn't learned the going forward part 100% yet.
Wenger will pretty much continue to force Eduardo out on the left until he learns and adjusts to the position so its another tool in his game. The notion that players can only play in certain places is fairly bogus. Its like telling someone they cant learn a language or calculus with enough practice and repetition they will learn.
This brings up something I was thinking about the other day that Adebayor might be one of the strikers with the biggest ceilings of improvement. If you look at his physical tools he pretty much hit the genetic lottery and the only thing that is holding him back is consistency and his overall skill levels. If you compare him to a similar physical player like Drogba who also peaked later in his career who knows Ade might still become one of those players everyone has on their top 5 striker lists.
JayAlves - and look what Ferguson has done with Rooney, playing him deeper or out wide instead of as a pure centre forward has improved his game.
Vaughn and Anichebe both have that potential as well. It is plain to see the Nigerian's poor decision making in the area - the englishman (if he can stay fit) has the skills and touch to become very good.
Adebayor has done what a lot of Arsenal players; under Wenger; have done - grow into their roles.
Funny you should post a link to that as I saw some highlights for the first time of it and it was strange to say the least. The one thing I noticed it was like the players could score at will and the goalies were ghosts. I'm not sure if its the type of deflections the ball can take off the sand or how the ball on free kicks can be easily placed on a pyramid of sand to be struck but the goalies had almost no chance anytime a player decided to #### a shot.
First off sleeper relax, I was just giving you ####, and was joking around. I see that you can't take a joke and I will refrain in the future from making such jokes your way. Second I find it ironic that after you said you don't talk about Eduardo, you post the next one about a certain Croatian. But hey buddy, ignore me, you keep on spouting about Eduardo till your hearts delight.
Just got back from the Galaxy Whitecaps game. There were a lot of fans there prepared to cheer for Beckham and the Galaxy but when the Galaxy didn't put in a real effort, everyone was behind the caps. The Galaxy were lucky to get away with a draw.
The penalty shot could easily have been a DOGSO red card for the Galaxy keeper, and on another occasion he caught the ball outside the 18, but the linesman did not have the cajones to call it. If nothing else, it gave the local fans a chance to see that the Whitcaps can play some decent football.
hey bobby thanks for the long write up on my peter crouch question. and in all honesty I have to admit you are right the facts dont lie but u did forget about that stunning overhead kick goal agains galatasary last season that was quality.
But anyways what I want to ask u is what do u think about the 2 asian players at Man U #### Fang Zhou and J S Park. They dont seem to be getting playing time (Except for Park last season b4 he got injured played very well too)and there seems to be no transfer news about them. My theory is that Man U are keeping them just to appeal to the asian audience. seeing as they are trying to break into that market. Whats your opinion
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