Tamerlin - How does the financing of the Champions League and UEFA Cup work? I've heard that the CL pays each club for everything (hotel, travel, etc.), whereas UEFA Cup requires the clubs to pay. Therefore a club needs to get to the Semi-finals in the UEFA Cup to actually make any money.
- Where do you place the ref's call that ejected Shanon Boxx among the worst World Cup calls? The Brazilian fouled her!
Bobby – UEFA controls both competitions and generally owns the media (TV etc) and sponsorship rights. I say generally because my understanding is that the clubs are able to sell the rights to qualifying round games in the Champions League but all rights revert to UEFA once the group stage starts.
The home team gets to keep their gate money but I have no idea who pays for hotel, travel etc. I would be surprised if UEFA paid for hotel, travel etc as it would be easily abused. The prize money is allocated based on qualification for the group stage, points collected in the group stage plus how far the club progresses in the knock out rounds. The prize money is a combination of money from a general rights pool (sponsorship and TV) and money allocated based on the TV money generated domestically and paid out based on how all clubs from that country do. That’s why we get situations where Champions League runner up (or even beaten semi finalist) can be awarded more prize money than the actual winner.
There are also payments made to teams that are knocked out in the three rounds of qualifying. Here is a UEFA article that outlines the process with pay out amounts for 2006/07 for both competitions.
I stand to be corrected but I believe UEFA only sells TV rights from the last eight of the UEFA Cup on and before that the home club owns the rights. Sponsorship is limited compared to the Champions League. Clubs also keep the home gate so I think the stories of having to reach the semis to make money are far-fetched – after all if that was the case why would teams bother competing?
I didn’t watch the WWC so I can’t comment on the referee’s decision.
Yohann - Are you confident about Chelsea (in Champions League)? I feel like the Blues will have trouble finding the net, especially if Drogba isn't on fire like last year... They tied Rosenborg and are in a group that includes Schalke and Valencia, a team that has an extra motivation against Chelsea.
Bobby – I stand by my prediction. There are six games and a home draw against Rosenborg is not the end of the world. Schalke is average at best. Valencia are a good team with solid European credentials.
Ringo - Either Duncan Castles is now part of the inner workings at the Bridge, or he`s auditioning for a job with the Sun.
Bobby – I was a bit cautious on some stuff he wrote earlier as I was thinking the same as you. But based on the stuff he has generated lately and after listening to him on the GU podcast I would say that someone (or a couple of people) are feeding him a lot of inside stuff. Or someone who has now left was feeding him information!
MDMcAuley - Maybe you've been asked this before; but as the wise seer of all things Scottish and most things soccer, do you think Celtic and Rangers would consistently compete and stay clear of relegation if they were in the English Premier League? If so, roughly where would you put them in the table? Is there any serious interest in their managements in joining the EPL for financial reasons?
Bobby – Without a doubt over an extended period they would compete and would both be strong teams. Celtic and Rangers enjoy massive global support and with the money generated from playing in the Premiership they would both comfortably be in top ten after they settled in. The most difficult period would be the first year. Both clubs would jump at the chance to join the Premiership but it will not happen. Not because of UEFA or FIFA but because they would be taking the place of two English teams and you don’t find turkeys voting for Christmas too often.
Just a general comment about a UK side. Anyone who suggests such a possibility has no idea of history, culture and pride. There are more important things than winning. As for the Republic of Ireland taking part as well – a history lesson is badly needed.
Henry14 - q1 What do you make of the Flamster's impact at Arsenal, what have you made of him? l have to say l am changing my opinion q2 You predicted Chelsea as the champs at the end of the season are you ready to throw the towel that they will not retain? q3 Do you see Kaka staying at Milan if they keep not taking anything serious other than with a Champions League athem (sic)? q4 Spurs or Man City who is your pick now for fifth?
Bobby–1. Flamini has played very well and looks to have come of age. 2. No. I don't normally change predictions. 3. I must have missed the press release that said Milan was only taking the Champions League seriously. 4. I picked City to finish 12th and Spurs 5th. Two seasons ago after 7 games City had 11 points and Stuart Pearce was the saviour. They finished 15th. Two seasons on they have two more points and this time SGE is the saviour. The problem with a team having an unexpected good or bad start to the season is that we tend to project the trend as upwards and onwards.
However, there is not a lot of evidence to support that view and over time things average out. Yes, City have recruited some players who have made an initial impact but the rest of the Premiership isn’t sitting around in awe. They are looking at City matches and they are looking at ways to blunt their strengths and to take advantage of their weaknesses.
Craigyf - How long has it been since the top two in Scotland were both managed by Scots?
Bobby – Not very long given that both Smith and Strachan are Scots and with the exception of a brief French interlude it was McLeish and Strachan.
Craigyf - Marcotti on Super Pippo! – Really Gabrielle, how many games of Pippo have you actually watched? Saying that Pippo doesn’t fit in with Milan is akin to saying that Antipasti doesn’t fit in with an Italian meal. The article is basically tosh; Marcotti really doesn’t know what he is talking about. He scores goals for a living and does it with immense passion, obviously a dullard such as Marcotti doesn’t get football. Interesting choice of articles this week, some good and some are just awful, how do you pick them?
Bobby – Did you read the article? How anyone could interpret the article as anything but complimentary to Inzaghi beats me. The articles are chosen based on what I think readers might find interesting, or perhaps a contrary view that is worth considering. Based on your interpretation of Marcotti’s article on Inzaghi I can’t even attempt to guess which ones you think are good and which are awful.
popculturejon - This is a bit off topic Bobby, but stay with me. Would it be possible for a company like Nike to buy a small EPL club (Like Derby for example) before a WC (so 2009). Then sign a lot of American players and an American coach to try to get a squad together that plays every week and trains as a unit over a season? Granted, not all players would have to come from this project team, but it would give the US an advantage as far as team chemistry and EPL experience.
Bobby – Well Spons46 makes a very good and valid point – there are work permit restrictions to overcome. But beyond that you may (or may not) be surprised that such a notion has actually been put into practice a couple of times.
In the late 70s (?), Dynamo Kiev became the defacto Soviet Union national team. The experiment was abandoned after a couple of seasons. The same could be said for a large number of eastern-bloc countries before the Berlin wall came down. The sports ministries often used their power to allocate large numbers of national caliber team players to one or maybe two club teams. The great Hungarian national team of the 50s had a significant number of players from Honved.
However, the most relevant example is much closer to home. A Team America was fielded in the NASL around 1982 or 83 with the same logic as you sugested. I believe they played as Washington (maybe a NASL fan can confirm) and it was a disaster. Canada was ready to undertake the same experiment in Montreal but baulked after the USA plan bombed.
Ulsterson - Last night you talked about Kasper Schmeichel’s youth and experience affecting his performance on crosses and I think you mentioned his height (at 6'0", a good 4 inches shorter than his old man) on Friday. I agree, and there is, in my view, another issue of his game where his stature is also detrimental. This one more directly related to his father. The young Dane mimics a distinctive technique his father was famous for called the "starfish". Just as it sounds, the arms and legs splay out like an open jumping jack to try to make as big a target as possible. Peter used the maneuver if the ball was off the ground and he was too close to the anticipated shot to react, jumping before he had any real idea where the ball would go. It was quite successful for Sr., in part, because of his massive size, but because it required the size of Peter’s XXXL frame and of the risk involved in leaving the feet before the shot I don’t think it is often taught. From what I have seen, Kasper seems to rely on the "starfish" more than he should (it almost seems to be his default save, even when he is too far away from the shot for it to be prudent or even when the ball is on the ground) and his smaller stature leaves too much room for balls to get by. Watch the goals scored on him by Fulham and tell me what you think.
Bobby – Good point. If I remember correctly Schmeichel senior borrowed the move from playing in goal at handball or at least watching the sport. Before I heard that I was in Atlanta for the 1996 Olympics and took in a handball game one day. I was surprised to see (what I thought to be) the goalkeepers pulling off Peter Schmeichel style saves! I guess I got it the wrong way round.
Chelsea have suddenly become an interesting case study. If they lose today then I will be expecting them to finish 2nd, which would leave them a tough match in the first knock out round. They could mess this years CL comp up totally and wind up in the UEFA cup.
Not in this speaker's corner Bobby so perhaps for the next one, one of my sons watches Watford's progress from a distance and so I wonder what you think will happen over the season at the top of the Championship?
The other team I am keeping an eye on is Leeds in Lge 1. I think it is 6 wins and a draw out of 7, as they look to overcome the 15 point deduction and I am watching to see where they will finish the season. Dennis Wise is keeping very quiet which seems quite out of character to his on-pitch nature. Thoughts?
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My friends and I just purchased a last minute, amazing deal to go to Ireland for a week in February. (Yeah, I know it'll be cold - I'm from New England originally, so I can deal with it.)
Anyways, instead of jaunting across the pond to England or Scotland to catch some games, I want to check out some Irish football. I know absolutely nothing about it - is there a first division league there? I know Roy Keane played for Cork city, or something like that, but that's probably the only bit of info I know about the country's sports scene, besides the International team.
Basically, I would appreciate any information/web site/suggestions/books/whatever you can give me so I can be an educated traveler and better enjoy my journey, and have a background to better appreciate the football.
Also, anyone who's reading this has any suggestions, chime in!
davard - if you want to see some football in February you`ll have to go Northern Ireland , Irish League.
I`d go to Windsor Park ,Belfast for a Lingfield game. Went there a couple times for N.Ireland/England games ,great atmosphere ,but it was over 20 years ago.
Davard - ferry links from Belfast and Dublin are very quick and slick (unless the Irish sea is brewing) to North West England. Manchester and Liverpool area are easily reached, with many Irish fans routinely commuting to games.
Not knowing your allegiances makes it tough to suggest any one team but there are a cluster of Premier League clubs up there you can choose from.
Be warned the weather will be damp and cold so take wet gear and plenty of layers. Enjoy your trip!
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Ringo - Thanks for the info. Bummer about the summer schedule for the League of Ireland, but I may have to get up to Belfast. I will have a rental car, and we will be based in Dublin. Is driving between Ireland/N. Ireland very difficult, borderwise? (I regularly cross Tijuana/San Diego, which can be quite painful if you go at the wrong time)
Redfan - I just looked at a map and realized the Dublin to Holyhead ferry is right next to Liverpool, and I would love to catch a Prem game. Allegiance wise, I really just like good football (I tend toward Manchester City, but I do like Liverpool quite a bit) and would relish a chance to see the Kop. I'll have to check the schedule to see what's happening around my departure time.
Crouch is starting and so is Leto, very surprising especially the latter. But the biggest surprise is that Cisse is left on the bench for the visitors....
Good Paul Tomkins column that isn't biased...I swear:
LGB, Cisse is on the bench because he suffered a minor injury setback recently and returned to training this Monday. It makes better sense to use him as a sub.
thank you for your thoughts on chelsea bobby. I must also admit that my stuttgart fairytale has come to an early end thanks to rangers and barca...hehe! I still have doubts over chelsea, because this team is a mess. I'm concerned also about their midfield and their defense... I think that a couple of players at chelsea are overated and are living on their reputation. A guy like shevchenko, who plays terrible soccer in the premiership, should be on the bench. The thing is that nobody can afford him and he isn't playing well anyways... so they are stuck with him... and Abramovic wants him o the field... if thats where soccer in england is going, its very sad. Long live Arsene Wenger.
I appreciate that you go out an select articles for the blog, I get to look at stuff that I haven't read. Some of the stuff I like some I don't some just sparks some thoughts that I put down.
Read Marcotti's article, thankyou, he is wrong and uncomplementary is many of his points.
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the other facets of his athletic ability are so pedestrian
-wrong/uncomplementary
Inzaghi is not especially fast either
- maybe not over 40 yards but he's pretty sharp over the first five, especially for a 34yo
Thin and spindly, with limbs that seemingly move independently of the rest of his body, he just doesn't look like a modern professional footballer. He looks more like the runt of the litter
- not complementary, quite blinkered but I haven't read the book about how a modern pro is supposed to look, I'll look on Amazon maybe
Where great players make difficult things look easy, he does the opposite. His actions are exaggerated and, often uncoordinated, as if he just barely manages to keep things together
-not complementary and wrong
He looks like a hyperactive 12-year-old who hasn't taken his Ritalin
-not complementary (although I don't have experiences of a 12yo on Ritalin so maybe he has a point)
He still doesn't really fit into Milan's ethos and their silky, short-passing game which demands technique, creativity and selflessness.
-Dead wrong and Super Pippo is a very selfish player when he gets the merest sniff of goal
As great as those guys are, they were born with tremendous athletic and technical gifts. Inzaghi wasn't
-wrong and uncomplimentary
If Marcotti had talked about David Villa I wouldn't have thought; and written; the article to be so much guff. I may have seen the odd clip of Villa but am not too familiar with him.
I've watched Super Pippo since he made he played for Parma and have even seen him live on a few occasions.
Oh wait maybe Marcotti was getting him and his brother mixed up!
This article is a much better description of SuperPippo
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/featur e?id=378931&cc=5901
If I recall correctly, were there not some games played in Europe invloving Leagues rather than countries, Ie the team reperesenting the English league was made up of any player in that league no matter his nationality.
gongatore - Rene Higuita also comes in second; behind Carlos Valderama for Best Footballing Hairstyle, O'Brien would have a field day.
Davard - see if you can watch some Gaelic football or Hurling, both sports are good to watch.
LGB - Crouch can't seem to pick up the runs Torres keeps, making
Every team has a bad day but this is getting to be too much. Seldom have I seen such codswallop from so many so called professionals. I hope they are force-fed the morning papers!
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Liverpool don't start attacking until its too late...Benitez surely has to see it.
When the draw was made I would've called it shocking but after today's game Marseille was definitely the better team and it would've been shocking if Liverpool had won.
It's shocking in that for most of the 2nd half, Liverpool had three strikers, plus Gerrard and Benayoun on the pitch and they didn't score a single goal.
Congrats to Marseille with a terrific tactical performance. Liverpool were outcoached and outplayed.
Captain Gerrard was subpar and very disappointing. They lost control of midfield in the first half.
The good sign is that at present there's no clear dominant side in the CL.
Should make for some cracking matches in a few weeks.
Despite the start and a couple of strange selections, Chelsea played some good football and deserved the win. The return of Carvalho was the biggest plus. Drogba showed he's a great stiker - my bogey man, Kalou, showed he isn't.
Considering they dropped the points at home to boot is going to make this interesting. The next game is away to Besiktas and Turkey is never fun for English teams.
edit: Hopefully the game isn't too chippy as Liverpool play Arsenal 4 days later. ;D
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Re: Gerrard, If anyone watched the broadcast, the announce team (btw, pro liverpool) ostensibly reiterated the same line. It's a very fair criticism. He's the captain, it's a home match in the CL. You expect a better performance from him.
Sissoko is not Pool's attacking mid. Yes, he got beat on the goal but Gerrard was just not in form. He looked knackered
and was just off today. His passing and shotmaking were subpar. It happens.
Does anyone honestly believe that Shaktar or Rangers are a threat?
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Its too bad the monetary differences are so large that getting out of the CL group stage and getting run over in the next 1 or 2 rounds is much more appealing then a UEFA cup run.
These teams can play spoiler in the group stage but honestly were not seeing Monaco vs Porto type final again. But thats just my opinion.
edit: I wish teams in the first two rounds (before the quarters?) would parachute down to the UEFA cup . I really cant see Rangers getting past the elite teams in the head to head match ups but you would have to rate them if they got dropped to the UEFA cup.
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Well, after some time to write reasonably my questions relate to tactics once more. If a player is playing badly you substitute him. Sissoko off Mascherano on. Mascherano is better defensively and right now in better form.
Second point is why put a striker (Veronin) on in midfield? Torres was not playing well and neither was Crouch though that was largely due to a poor service. Torres or Crouch should have come off and for sure I would have played Kuyt before Veronin.
For me the subs made little sense and came too late. 30 minutes of tonights bleep should have been enough for Rafa to switch things.
Next game Spurs. If Mascherano does not start Robby Keen and co will have some fun, going on our present form. I hope Stevie goes to the beach for a week and we play with out him........yeah shock horror!..... if he plays badly drop him.
Now I am off to find some Cricket!
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If you watched the telecast Gerrard had a man on him at all times. Sissoko is not only a defensive midfield, although that is his strong suit, but he can get forward in attack as well.
Gerrard just didn't get much of the ball...I can see a little criticism because as you said hes the captain but it wasn't his fault they lost.
The Shaktar and Rangers comment was a joke...Did everyone else not get that?
LGB - c'mon!
On the one hand you often spout about how Gerrard is one of the best midfielders in the world
then after he played a pretty mediocre to average game you trot out excuses.
Gerrard didn't play particularly well (ar least in the second half - i dodn't see the first half).
We should just hear what BS the Fat Spaniard comes up with to explain a home defeat at Fortress Anfield.
:P
Since when doesn't Gerrard have a man or two on him all match.
It's in the job posting.
There was never any mention that it was Gerrard's fault Pool lost. I singled him out as did others because he was disappointing. It's that elementary.
Maybe too much is expected of him?
Read redfan's post. He even stated that perhaps Gerrard should sit next match.
Is he wrong.
I saw the match and thought both Sissoko and Gerrard were very poor, especially for a midweek evening at Anfield. Marseilles bossed the centre of the park.
Edit -- Totally agree, gongatore, special players are singled out and need to rise above that kind of treatment. Gerrard disappeared.
Rangers and Shaktar will have a tough time not making it through to the knockout rounds.
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He offered no excuses, he was candid about his team playing poorly but wouldn't single out any one player.
Pleasantly unexpected considering the whine he often employs.
One stupid fan and some poor brazilian acting - could land Celtic in a whole load of trouble.
Still never mind - US OPEN CUP action tonight - a bigger statement about the state of the MLS and US football couldn't be made, the CUP FINAL (pretty much a US version of the FA Cup) being played on a Wednesday night - something really needs to be done about that Mr Garber!
What a victory for the bhoys i know that milan are in a bit of a spell right know but 3 points on the champs ill take any day......As for the fan running on the field im sure UEFA will through the book and i really hope im wrong..... for a big man Dida goes down fairly easily and after he takes 3 running steps strange maybe he learned from Gilardino
1. What a #### shot... Pepe Reina had NO CHANCE at it... Just beautiful... Almost as much so Olympaco's second goal...
2. Dude's got an awesome name... Mathieu Valbuena
3. Liverpool have got to get something figured out... They just haven't been on top of anything this season...
4. Marseille has to get something figured out too... How to replicate their Champion's League form into their domestic season...
Chelsea beat Valencia playing a very Mourinho-esque 4-3-3 with Drogba up front by himself and Schevchenko on the bench. Do you think Abramovich will eventually realize that he's made a couple of really big mistakes?
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