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Speakers' Corner week 10 responses
Oct 25, 2006 | 8:26AM | report this

Mr. Red Devil - What do you think of those yellow kits that Liverpool wore yesterday while getting soundly beaten by Man Utd? Those have to be worse than Bolton's away kit.

Bobby – I am not a particular fan of the yellow Liverpool kits but they are still better than the Bolton away set. I was surprised to find out on Friday that certain members of the FSWR office actually like the Bolton kit and I was taken to task for my comments.

Bmax 14 - It seems to be common where good teams cannot duplicate good league form in the CL or vice-versa. Is this an accurate statement, and if so, has it been this way for a long time?

Bobby – I wrote a column on this just before the Champions League Final in May. As you can see it has never been particularly easy to compete at the top level in Europe and domestically. The article focused on any differences between the old European Cup format and the relatively new Champions League version.

Excerpt - “There is also a long tradition of teams doing well in Europe but not doing the business in domestic competition. If we assume the European Cup format to have run for 36 seasons and the Champions League for 14 seasons it is difficult to make a case that there has been much difference in the number of “surprises” or an increase in the number of poor home performers. Over 50 competitions the European Champion has also won their domestic league 19 times in the same season. The break down is14 times under the EC format and 5 times under CL. A percentage comparison 38% to 36% is a miniscule difference. At the other end of the spectrum the three worst domestic performances by a European Champion all came under the EC format. Aston Villa finished 11th in the English First Division when they won the European Cup in 1982; Bayern Munich 10th in the Bundesliga in 1975; and Juventus 6th in 1985”.

MeanSucka - On Barca: you've highlighted, as well as others, that the loss of Eto'o is bigger than realized and it is more than clear after losses to Chelsea and Real Madrid. What I want to know is whether Saviola can look for more time and why Lilian Thuram was in the starting lineup? Also - Would Gudjohnsson be more appropriate as a striker/midfielder to bring on when the team is ahead? He seems very allergic to taking scoring chances when they present themselves.

Bobby – Rijkaard has never been a big fan of Saviola – either that or he has been trying to hide it by loaning him out the last two seasons – but I think he will have to use him. He is far closer to the Eto’o style of play than Eidur Gudjohnsen. Gudjohnsen is a very gifted player but he is at his best playing behind the striker and he doesn’t have the kind of pace of finishing touch that Barcelona has become used to. He is a bit like Hernan Crespo (not the quickest player) so he is forced to play right on the shoulder of the last defender in an attempt to get any advantage possible. Unfortunately – unlike Crespo – he is not the most clinical of finishers.

Wickedzoot - I was su####ious when I saw David James on your list again. I thought it was a typo (obviously didn't read last week). But wow this guy's the real deal. That was one fine article he wrote. Too bad he got so hard done against Chelsea. I thought he was brilliant. Does he have a chance to regain his England spot or is that bridge well and truly burned?

TheIdiot - I noticed you’re putting David James in the list of top GKs in the Prem - on current form, I must agree. Do you think he deserves an England recall? Or with his long record of gaffes, does he need to show a longer run of continued mistake-free keeping?

Bobby – McClaren will stick by Robinson unless he goes down injured. If that happens and James maintains his current form then James will get another chance. The media will forget how they hammered James over the years – many of the times justifiably so – and will call for his recall on a wave of nostalgia induced emotion. 

USAenglandfan - 3 questions, two somewhat off topic:
(1) Do you see Daniel Carvalho breaking into the first team in Brazil within the next year or two? (2) What players' jerseys/kits do you own, if any? (3) What is your favorite ever kit, aesthetically?

Bobby – (1) I cannot say I have seen too much of Carvalho but from what I have seen he is an impressive young player. Dunga sent a very clear message when he picked his first squad that he is ready to look at younger players and that they do not have to necessarily be playing in one of the top leagues. I could see Carvalho moving to Italy or Spain for a very large fee in the next 18 months. (2) I started collecting jerseys from Mexican teams while on holiday so I have 4 or 5 in the cupboard. I also have a jersey from Tayport the last team I played for in Scotland. It was a “special” when they made it to the Scottish Junior Cup final a couple of years ago. The first jersey I have received was a v-necked Dundee top in the early 60’s (same style as the Man Utd one this season) followed by the crew neck a couple of years later. I got a Chelsea top after Charlie Cooke moved from Dundee to Chelsea in the mid sixties. Since then I can remember an assortment of Scotland, QPR (Guinness), and Liverpool tops. (3) Real Madrid – all white from the 50’s.

Gongatore - In your mind, who do you think is the best choice for USMNT gaffer?

Bobby – I still think Klinsmann would be a great choice.

AlexMorph - Of the 30 short listed names for the Ballon D'Or, who would be your pick for the overall year?

Bobby – I think it is Thierry Henry’s year. He made it to the Champions League and World Cup Final and scored goals domestically. Samuel Eto’o is definitely worthy of consideration as is Fabio Cannavaro (who should have won the Golden Shoe). 

Neophyte - the term "gaffer" what are its origins and when should one use it and when should you avoid it. Do you call the manager "gaffer" to his face or is it a term you should only use when out of his presence etc...?

Bobby – The term “gaffer” comes from the factory floor and building site. It is the term for a front-line supervisor – the proper title would be “foreman”. There is nothing derogatory about the term unless you place a commonly used adjective beginning in “f” before it. 

bigdavedisaster - Here’s a great old video about the Old Firm. Gives a little bit of insight into where the rivalry comes from and into football in Glasgow. What a difference 30 or so years makes and doesn’t make. If you have time to watch it I’d love to know what you were up to then and what kind of a hair style you had. A snap shot of 1974

Bobby – That video brought back some bad memories!! In 1974 I was in College in Dundee and probably enjoying myself far too much. I was playing for a local team called Barnhill – with many of the mates I grew up with – so we trained, played, drank and did almost everything together. I also played in a Sunday morning league for the Dundee Press Club – they allowed me to play centre forward!!! – and sometimes on Sunday afternoon in another league. Training was Tuesday and Thursday while on Wednesdays I played for the College team. No one thought about rotation or rest back then – the pitches from October to March were mud heaps or skating rinks and we all loved it.
As for hair it was long and a headband was mandatory when playing – although they were just plain white in those days unlike Ronaldinho’s current effort that makes him look like a big girl’s blouse!

MeanSucka - How about the reports of Becks being out in January or Rijkaard trying to sell Deco to get Lampard?

Bobby – Having said for the last two years that Beckham will play out his career in MLS I think a compromise will be reached and he will eventually sign for another year for Real - that way both parties will save face. It is interesting that Beckham quotes and stories seem to have escalated in the last couple of weeks – a sure sign that he is trying to put pressure on Real Madrid. As for selling Deco to get Lampard – I don’t put a lot of credence in that one.

Mr. Red Devil - BigDave, I watched that Rangers-Celtic video. Very interesting.
Bobby, do you know of any good books that offer a neutral point of view on the history of Celtic & Rangers?

Bobby – I haven’t read the book myself but there was a book a few years back by Bill Murray that looked at both clubs - at what seperates them and what unites them (something many people forget - there is a reason they are called the Old Firm after all). Murray wrote a book about the global reach and history that I read and enjoyed, so I think his Old Firm book might be worth picking up.

Henry14 - l have been reading stories of huge losses in fans at club in the epl even f the price of tickets at some places like Blackburn is as low as 15 pounds, the only teams that have had an increase in fans to their ground are United and Arsenal, inevitably two clubs that play attacking and beautiful football, do you feel it is too big a task for clubs to try attacking football, l know you might need young quicker players and technically good but l feel it will affect the spending of these clubs in the long run like for instance Liverpool spend $60m during the summer hoping to cover it with gate earning , with the exception of Chelsea what do you see will be the solution if the stadiums are to be full again.

Bobby – “Falling attendance” has been a recurring story at the start of the last few Premiership seasons. Go back to the fall of 2004 and 2005 and you will find the same stories. I don’t agree that United and Arsenal have increased attendance because of the quality of their football this season – even though it has been attractive. The bottom line is that they have bigger stadiums and are reaping the reward of being popular, entertaining and most importantly successful over the last decade or so. There was a pent-up demand going into this season and we increased capacity you are seeing the results in an increase in the attendance for both clubs.

Finally thank you to all that take time to read the blog and to participate.

 

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wickedzoot
Oct 25, 2006
9:20 AM
Back to David James, I wonder if his form doesn't benefit from getting peppered week in and week out. It's a totally different skill that someone like Lehman (sp?) has to make only one or 2 difficult stops a game and still be sharp. If James comes back to England the gaffes could return as a result.

MrRedDevil
Oct 25, 2006
10:08 AM
Thanks Bobby.

I went on Amazon.com and it appears that Bill Murray has written 3 different books on Celtic and Rangers. Just wanted to let you know. See Below.

- The Old Firm: Sectarianism, Sport and Society in Scotland

- Bhoys, Bears and Bigotry: Rangers, Celtic and the Old Firm in the New Age

- The Old Firm in the New Age: Rangers and Celtic since the Souness Revolution

bigdavedisaster
Oct 25, 2006
3:38 PM
MrRedDevil
I have read the first and the last of the three books that you posted and they are both really great reading. I would recommend the first however. Murray really looks at the old firm from an interesting angle. In truth they are both enourmous clubs and have used sectarianism to there advantage. Simply, In the late 1800s a large influx of Irish catholics moved into glasgow where anti catholic sentiment was already high and became even greater with these immagrants taking jobs that werent there to take. They started a football club bc the other one in town wouldnt let them play and some not all on both sides have used those clubs as a vehicle for sectarian hatred since. I know that most opinions in this debate seem to be biased toward on side or the other but for a reference from the Celtic bias in 1974 when that video was shot Jock Stein a protestant was the manager of Celtic while rangeres would not even have a catholic play for them until 1989. In the end I hope that it will all fade away and all that will be left is football. If your interested read his books and draw your own conclusions.

Last edited by bigdavedisaster on October 25th at 3:44 PM.

MrRedDevil
Oct 25, 2006
5:29 PM
Thanks Big Dave.

AlexMorph
Oct 25, 2006
11:48 PM
The Old Firm derby... that's in the Conference North right?

USAenglandfan
Oct 26, 2006
9:39 AM
No need to thank us Bobby. We take a lot from this blog and your views enhance our knowledge and general perspective on the sport. The thanks should go your way.

Speaking of which, I just notice that the main site (foxsoccerchannel.com) just removed the last link to this blog from the home page (the "Blogs" tab in the top menu). I have this page bookmarked but I think future visitors to the site should be able to get to the blogs from the main site. I know this has been mentioned before so forgive me for being redundant. They are ignoring one of the best features of the site! I'm not sure what you can do about it but I thought it couldn't hurt to bring it up.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's under the "Community" tab now, but still... a direct link to the writers' blogs is in order

PS: I loved your snapshot of the 70's. Correct me if I'm wrong: You played on FOUR teams?! Good lord you must have been an ox. Have you ever considered bringing back the long hair/headband of old? :)

Last edited by USAenglandfan on October 26th at 10:35 AM.

neophyte
Oct 26, 2006
12:18 PM
Bobby--Thanks for having the best blog out there! Your participation makes it a daily ritual. Thank you. Please tell the powers that be to bring back the tab. I couldn't get here from the community tab.

So back in the day were you playing the 3-5-2 or the 4-3-3? Were you the target man or the pocher?

henry14
Oct 27, 2006
5:54 AM
Bobby l have to say that l was shocked about reading moyes talking about champions leauge this early, as l feel it is one of those, things a club like everton can not say at this point in the season, l think beating liverpool in the derby made them go ahead of themselves, how would you respond to such claims by moyes?

BobbyMcMahon
Oct 27, 2006
8:58 AM
USAEnglandfan – I think if you speak to anyone who played around that time it wasn’t unusual to play for a few teams – in fact it was very common to play for at least two teams. For all I know it might still be the case. I think the way the leagues were organized and structured it allowed for multiple registrations – if there was such a thing. For example Sunday Leagues were clearly restricted to Sunday play and nothing else.

On occasion I remember some local professional players appearing although not under their real names. We once had two Dundee (when they were a very good team) players – one an international – play for us on a cold Sunday morning after they had been talked into turning up over a few aperitifs the previous evening.

I think that looking back on it the strangest thing was that no one who finished up facing any of the pro’s ever complained about a “ringer” being fielded. They just put it down as an opportunity to play against a better player and to see how they stalked up.

I don’t know how long grey hair with a white hairband would look but I am guessing it would not be too appealing. Now if you want to move on to the late 70’s we can talk perms!!

BobbyMcMahon
Oct 27, 2006
8:59 AM
Neophyte – On Saturdays I normally played sweeper, right back or for a couple of seasons in midfield. On Sunday’s they allowed me to indulge myself as a penalty box preditor! Wednesdays it was back to defending.

BobbyMcMahon
Oct 27, 2006
8:59 AM
Henry14 – I haven’t read Moyes’ comments but I am not surprised. Everton has made a good start but by identifying a Champions League spot as the ultimate goal Moyes has sent a message that the real hard work has yet to be done and that he will not tolerate complacency. There is research that shows that one of the key factors in achieving your goals in life is to tell someone. By doing this it pushes you harder to achieve the goal because you do not want to lose face.
It might be a very smart move by Moyes.

Last edited by BobbyMcMahon on October 27th at 9:00 AM.

BobbyMcMahon
Oct 27, 2006
11:58 AM
USAEnglandfan - There is still a link just above the Features section (four pictures and it normally includes Topic of the Week). It takes you another area that then lists the FSC bloogers.

Last edited by BobbyMcMahon on October 27th at 11:59 AM.

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