A whole series of questions relating to Makelele foul on Angel as he broke free and Zokora’s blatant dive.
bliss_street - Makelele's tackle on Angel would have earned him an unnecessary roughness penalty in the NFL. I wondered whether referee Graham Poll was going to give him a straight red card or let him off with a yellow. Imagine how flabbergasted I was when he made no call at all!
henry14 - I have to say they is a tendency for Chelsea to go away with the most decisions, on all their games l have seen they have been given fair decisions on penalties, but the officials were not consistent when they are guilty, l felt Makelele deserved a straight red card. The most outrageous decision to me was the way Zokora sunk so low to fall to the ground, it is one thing to make the most of a tackle but to fall to the ground is tacking cheating to unprecedented levels. I think the FA should ban players who do so for games if they go unpunished in the game, because it is so unprofessional
AlexMorph - I'll probably be immensely unpopular for suggesting this, but I think that Angel played Makelele for the foul because he knew that he couldn't outrun him. The Frenchman was right on his tail, running off to the side a bit, and Angel showed him his back without bringing the ball. He went across the direction of the ball and Make ran into him (ok, he didn't have to use his arms), so the ref probably saw it as obstruction from the Villa striker.
travel_coach - Since the ref. made no call on Zokora's dive in the Pompey game, cannot the FA review the incident and penalize Zokora with some time off and a fine for unsportsmanlike conduct?
Ducky_Jones - I've read comments from Glenn Hoddle & Tony Adams about the Zokora phantom penalty; they're calling him a cheater and that if he wants to stay in the EPL he can't do that sort of thing. Is there a double standard in how they treat foreign players compared to English ones? I've seen Rooney dive in the area and get the penalty call. I'm sure that I've seen other English players do the same thing. What gives?
bigdavedisaster - As a Spurs supporter in the EPL I can not defend Didier Zokora’s dive. There is no place for it in football except for apparently the EPL, La Liga, Serie A Champions league (Giggs) the world cup and just about all the other leagues and competitions until something is done it will only get worse! As long as diving continues to produce results it is here to stay in today’s big dollar global football world were wins mean so much....oh and with all those dollars come all those cameras so we can see the dive from all angles as to be sure not to miss one
Bobby – I have watched the challenge by Makelele on Angel and in my opinion Makelele was very lucky to stay on the park let alone get away without even a foul being given against him. Angel is not the quickest forward in the Premiership but he was in front of the Chelsea player, heading for the goal with the ball under his control. I can agree that Angel played for the foul but the ball was always within his playing distance so an obstruction call couldn’t be given by Graham Poll. Makelele was all over Angel – Chelsea was very fortunate in that situation.
In terms of Zokora the FA’s position would be that the referee made his decision and so calling Zokora to account for the dive would be undermining the ref’s decision. If Zokora had punched Mendes off the ball without an official seeing it then video evidence could be used as the referee did not make a decision.
However in the case of the elbow Thatcher threw at Mendes – and connected with – the referee gave a yellow card but the FS still used video evidence. Although I can see the difference – the Thatcher decision involved further punishment of a foul correctly called by the referee versus what would essentially be the retroactive overturning of a referee decision – it does not seem to me to be that great a leap to make sure that dives such as the one by Zokora are punished using video evidence. Bringing the game into disrepute is a pretty good catch-all for something like this I would think.
And yes – there is a double standard in terms of diving. Foreign players are singled out. Diving may not have been so prominent before foreign players became more prevalent but it was definitely there.
davard - Could you please explain the Makelele/France situation to me? Can a player not retire internationally but still play in a domestic league? Does this mean McClaren could, within his rights, declare Paul Scholes onto the nat’l team, with or without his consent? In fact, he should, just to see Fergie's reaction.
Bobby – We went over this one a couple of weeks back if I remember correctly. I don’t believe FIFA anticipated their rule that a player can be suspended if he doesn’t report for international duty would used to force a player into reporting when he had already announced his international tournament. The rule was imposed to try and deal with situations where players were being pressured into calling off “injured” after being named to a national team. Your point is well taken. McClaren could name Scoles to the squad and force a suspension if he didn’t turn up. The obvious solution is for FIFA to create a register of retired international players. Then the likes of Makelele would register his retirement and would not have to bother with the antics of Domenech.
neophyte - Great pieces on the Yanks at Reading. We have been following them in our household. They are everyone’s favorite 2nd team. Question: Why doesn't USSOCCER promote the Americans abroad? I would think they would be the poster kids for the up and coming generation.
Did you see Villarreal against Zaragoza? Riquelme put on a show! Note to the rest of La Liga, do not make him mad. You won't like him when he's angry. I think the press in Argentina pushed too far and now they (the Argentines) will be looking even more troubled against their South American competition.
Bobby – I guess the question is better put to the USSF. However, what would they promote – that Reading has two US players? I think US soccer fans know that so they would really be preaching to the choir. I didn’t see the Zaragoza – Villarreal match but I have noticed that Villarreal’s performances have improved over the last couple of weeks and they are moving up La Liga – to my relief seeing that I picked them to finish third!
spike24 - What do you think about Reading's Ibrahima Sonko? It seems he must be considered one of the surprising standouts of the new season. The only games Reading has failed to get a result were the ones he missed from his red card. And in the games he has played, he's been a dominating force - neutralizing Rooney against Man Utd, and coming up with tackles and deflections to preserve 1-0 wins against West Ham and Man City.
Will we see him playing as a French International any time soon? I understand that since he's never played for the top squad, his time at Senegal does not invalidate him from playing for France.
Bobby – I am holding judgment just a little bit longer on individual performances from Reading. As a team I think they are an entertaining team to watch and their goalscorers will get enough goals to keep them out of relegation trouble. However, after so few games we will have to wait and see who is playing above their normal level. I understand he was ready to join Senegal for an African Cup of Nations qualifier this weekend but called off through injury.
gregz – What’s the deal with Shevchenko? He is a much more lethal striker than Drogba and yet Drogba has been totally outshining him. I wonder though is it a case of Sheva making Drogba look good because he attracts so much attention from defenders which leaves Drogba open to score goals. And what of Tevez is it too early to expect anything good from him.
Bobby – I think generally fans have unrealistic expectations when big signings move to another club and sometimes another country. I am convinced that Shevchenko will come good. At the moment Drogba is carrying the load in fine style. As for Tevez and Mascherano – it far too early to tell.
wickedzoot - Regarding the West Ham meltdown. I saw a not on the rumors page that at least one of the Argentines is already bucking for a transfer. I kinda lost track after that. Was that smoke? I haven't seen much reporting on WH lately so I wonder if I've missed something. Will they get a chance to turn things around or are we just waiting for the next window to see where they go?
Bobby – It is a normal type of rumour when a player has moved in a high profile transfer and success hasn’t been immediate. There was the ridiculous story earlier this week that Shevchenko was heading back to Milan in January. At the moment the Argentine pair have not made an impression and so what other European teams would be looking to step in anyway? I find it interesting the Chelsea conspiracy theorists have gone strangely quiet since the pair arrived and WH has not won a game since.
MeanSucka - Becks' work rate seems to have greatly increased since being brought off the bench, most notably against Dinamo Kiev. Think he was gunning for inclusion on the England squad? Or trying to get back in Capello's starting 11? Or both?
The shot of he and Ronaldo sitting on the bench at the beginning of the game was interesting. I guess they're discussing the best places to live in the states! Now if we could only get an MLS franchise here in Miami - especially since we recently lost our only draw - Romario.
Bobby – I think the chances of a Beckham recall to the England national team is very low. But one thing is for sure – he will not be called up by Steve McClaren if he is not a first choice for Fabio Capello.
Venti-vidi-vici – Many people (Jose Mourinho included) seem to think that Inter Milan is, ON PAPER, one of, if not, the best club teams in the world. Crespo-Ibrahimovic-Adriano is arguably the best trio of strikers anywhere, along with Figo, Vieira, Cambiasso, Solari and Stankovic in midfield and a very experienced back-four, Inter should amount to a formidable force. I guess, like Real Madrid teams of recent years, it’s not always about the sum of the parts. Unfortunately, most of the Inter team is (or at least acts) semi-retired !!!!
On the other hand, Milan is simply trying to get used to life without Sheva. Gilardino had an excellent first season at the club, and if Oliveira can find the form which saw him claim the La Liga scoring title, the two can form a lethal partnership for many years. In the mean time Sheva is very sorely missed. The midfield of Gattuso, Pirlo Kaka’, Seedorf, now in their fourth or fifth year together, can play from memory, and Gourcuff (incredible potential) will fit in nicely. The back four with Nesta, Simic, Jankulovski and Kaladze, along with the elder statesmen of the game, is one of the stingiest in Europe. Do you think it will all come together for the rossoneri?
Speaking of Milan’s defense what do you think of the careers of Milan’s aging defenders, Cafu, Costacurta and, in particular, Maldini? Paolo represented Italy 126 times, including 23 consecutive World Cup finals games (all starts), losing a final, a semi and a quarter all on penalties, and losing the final of Euro 2000. He has played in seven Champions League/Champions Cup finals (winning four), and holds the record for the fastest goal ever scored in a UCL final. He is in his 23rd season with Milan’s senior squad and has now played over 800 games in all competitions for Milan. He is the first and only defender (excluding goalies) ever to win the World Player of the Year Award (1994). When he retires at the end of this season, where will he rank among the all time greats of the game?
Note: When Maldini made his debut for Milan, he played alongside Ray Wilkins and Mark Hateley, and a couple of his current teammates were not yet born!
And who are your top 5 midfields?
Bobby – I was surprised that Milan did not make more moves in the summer. The Milan midfield looks to be a solid unit once again but they have relied on the full backs to give them width. When the full backs fail to get forward Milan tends to become a bit predictable. Maldini has been the greatest defender of his generation and history will consider him one of the greatest ever – right up there with Franco Baresi. The World Player of the Year title he won was from the publication “World Soccer” rather than thee FIFA award. If FIFA has any sense at all they should present Maldini with a special award for services to the game and to recognize his outstanding play over 20 years at the end of this year.
Top 5 midfields? I am assuming current midfields. In no particular order I would have Milan in the top group and Chelsea – more on potential than current form though. Barcelona has to be included. If Alonso could find his form again then Liverpool would be another. Valencia would have to come into the reckoning especially if Vicente can stay fit and once Joaquin settles in. Given that Lyon have lost two excellent midfield players over the last two seasons and they are still producing great football then they would also be up for consideration.
buffytvs - You missed listing another atrocious call -- the blatant handball on Paul Scholes' shot by a Newcastle defender (whose name I've blotted out I think) was ignored. The Richard Dunne block I've never seen a good enough angle on, but it looked really su####ious too.
Bobby – I am surprised that there is not more debate over handballs. The appropriate section of law 12 states “A direct free kick is … awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following ….offences: handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)”.
Liverpool fans will find the bracketed section ironic I am sure. It is what constitutes deliberately that is the problem. It seems to me that for many referees the rule is flexible and has much to do with where the “offence” occurs on the field.
Richard Dunne did very well to save the ball and not with his hand either.
Bobby:
Thank you for answering all the questions.
Milan had seemed to have the option on several Juve players this summer, especially because the two clubs have always had a good relationship. In the midst of the scandal, Milan suddenly sold Abbiati to Torino, after several reports of an agreement with Juve of an exchange for Buffon (plus cash obviously). Milan had obligingly loaned Abbiati to Juve last season when Buffon was injured. The rumored Zambrotta transfer seemed to fall through as well, even after the player had stated his willingness to join Milan.
Missing out on these players was most upsetting, and may explain the lack of other transfer activity.
What do think of the two "big" group B Euro qualifiers this Saturday? There is the top of the table clash Scotland-France and the WC QF rematch Italy-Ukraine. Is is too early to call it a 'must win' for Italy? Sweden-Spain should be interesting as well.
I was struck last weekend by several yellow cards for time wasting. Usually happening at a dead ball kick or throw-in, it would seem appropriate the offending player should also be penalized with an indirect free kick for the offense. As it stands they get to waste even more time replacing and taking the throw or kick again after the booking. Being penalized as well would stop goalkeepers taking forever at end-of-game goal kicks rather than risk an indirect free kick on their own 10 yard box!
Alexmorph, a player in control of the ball is allowed to use his body to shield the defender. It is the responsibility of the defender to avoid contact, even if the offensive player changes position, deliberate or not. It's his ball to do with as he pleases and the defender has to take it from him cleanly.
Bobby if you go to the top part of speaker's corner7 l asked you if you thought rooney was any better than AJ or Bent only that he plays for man u being the only difference l also gave updated stats on the story and l am really waiting for a response
There was a rule in a few seasons ago when the ref could add 10 yards to the freekick if the defending team did not retreat quickly enough. This is a rugby union rule that works very well in rugby. I beleive that this rule was rejected very quickly but I would like to see it back in as I am sure strict enforcement would drastically reduce the time wasting at free kicks. I would appreciate your comments Bobby
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What Happenned to James Beattie? A few years ago he looked to me to be a rising star and a great goal scorer. He livin on the fat of the hog? Since he left the southcoast its like he is a shell of what he used to be like
Bobby l disagree rooney is going to be just like those overrated english player, l omce thot darrius vassel was ging to be world class but l think we all know how england overhypes a player
henry14 - you may have thought Darius Vassell was going to be a world class talent but I am not sure there were too many people looking to join you in that assessment.
Bobby:
Why is everyone making so much fuss about Sheva not yet scoring many goals?
I think it is very normal for a player in a new team in a new country where he barely even speaks the language to start slow. Besides over at Barca Ronaldinho has also only scored 2 goals (a penalty in La Liga, and a meaningless goal in their 5-0 rout of Sofia), and nobody makes a mention of his struggles.
Sheva has attained his incredible success mainly due to his professionalism and his incredible work ethic. I'm sure he is unphased by the pressure and immense expectations, and will have a very successful final chapter of his career at Stamford Bridge.
Bobby, I saw and agreed with your comments on Shevchenko (yours too VVV). I thought he already started to come to life in the 2nd half of the Villa game, appreciated the encouragement from the crowd and I suspect he'll build on that in the next game.
You need to check your Fact before speaking, the criticism of Dinho has been 3X has much has that of sheva in Spain. Guess you’re only exposed to English and Italian press
Bobby- I agree with you on the Rooney issue. Who else has the intensity of Rooney? What other striker in the world tracks back to win balls like Rooney and then runs all the way back to the attacking third to pressure the defense? He can do it all--defend, cross (did you happen to see the cross to Ronaldo in the first game? beauty!)and poower the ball through the net. Ask any manager in the EPL if they could have any of the three Henry14 has mentioned and hands down they choose Rooney.
Question: Does Ronaldinho have to score? (maybe now that Eto'o is down)Look at the line up. Let the man play the playmaker role and score when he has to. Barca plays some of the most beautiful attacking soccer. All of those critics must not understand the difference between "midfielders" and "strikers".---Or maybe just maybe I don't understand?!
TBG:
I have read several articles in the English press saying that Sheva should be benched. In fact Mourinho felt compelled to address the issue stating that he will do no such thing. While I only browse Marca a couple of times a week, and there have been constant mentions of Ronaldinho's current lack of form, I haven't heard anyone calling for him to be benched or sold. It is the Italian press which has pointed out that Sheva is receiving an unfair amount of stick, compared to the likes of Ronaldinho.
Both play most matches against teams whose main objective is to contain them individually. It is no secret that to beat Barca, you first have to contain Ronaldinho, and his individual performances have declined as a result.
To single out Zokora for his "dive" is a joke. let's take a close look at Messers Gerrard, Joe Cole, Owen, Shearer, Drogba(self confessed) Ashley Cole ( I actually was there the day he got Simon davis of Spurs sent off by "cheating", and many more besides. I love the ignorance of the commentators in the Spurs Portsmouth game who were "shocked" to see a player, no let me correct that "A Foriegn Player" take a dive, and cheat his way to a penalty. These idiots should be taken off the air, they have a responsibility to the fans to be as unbiased as possible, they basically hung Zokoara before a trial had even begun. They told the world how "he needs to know that we do not do these things in England" Idiots.
I am not in anyway condoning Zokora, and if I was his Manager I would fine him, but as a collective the FA, indeed FIFA has to bring in video replay for certain decisions. Use a system simalar to the NFL in the USA, let the Managers have one challenge per half, if they feel they have been wronged let them use a challenge, it really will not slow the game too much. Let's face it, with freekicks around the box taking more time than I can run a marathon, does a 1 minute stoppage really change anything? and that can be added to the end of the game anyway.
We can only hope,
Oh, on another note, please lets get Tommy Smith off the TV, anyone agree, start a blog
regards
Steve
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