Ruud van Nistelrooy looks set to start the new season at the Bernabeu and not Old Trafford. Manchester United and Real Madrid have agreed a fee and a medical seems to be the only thing between the Dutchman and a move to La Liga.
RVN becomes the latest in a long line of either clubs or players that Sir Alex Ferguson has fallen out with. And to think he once accused Dennis Wise as being able to cause a fight in an empty house.
His playing days in Scotland were marked by recurring friction - St. Johnstone, Dunfermline, Rangers and Falkirk.
His second managerial appointment - at St. Mirren - finished with him being fired and then suing for unfair dismissal through an Industrial Tribunal.
Players who have eventually fallen foul of Fergie include Gordon Strachan, Paul Ince, Paul McGrath, Jim Leighton, Jaap Stam, Roy Keane, David Beckham to name a few. RVN was added to that list in the spring.
For United the question is who replaces the Dutchman? Rooney, Solksjaer (fitness question), and Saha are not going to be enough. Fernando Torres looks set to stay with Athletico Madrid for the forseeable future. It seems unlikely that another Premiership side will sell United a striker even if one was considered good enough and there doesn't at the moment.
Klose at Werder Bremen is an option. Ronaldo's name crops up on the rumour mill but it is hard to understand why United would take such a risk and if they were it surely would have been part of a swop deal. The lack of top class goal scorers was reinforced at the recent World Cup Finals.
As for Real Madrid they have another forward which seems to be a clear indication that Fabio Capello is far from happy with the choice he inherated. So out of Raul, Robinho, Baptista, Ronaldo, and Cassano who will be forced out?
As a fan of football I think a successful Real Madrid is essential. Like anyone else I love Cinderella stories, but I do like to see quality teams produce exciting, flowing, passionate football.
To produce this, they certainly need to bounce Raul. He was emblematic of Real in the past, but so was Fernando Morientes. Perhaps Raul could do with a change of scenery and find his form elsewhere, much like Morientes went to Monaco and went on a tear, lighting up the Champions League before missing the final, which, unfortunately, they might have won with his inclusion in the squad.
Capello, who would not be swayed by Raul's sentimental value, could be the man to make this happen. If he is swayed and decides to keep him, this could be a tell tale sign that things still haven't changed much. However, he seems like an excellent manager, and the time has come for fresh blood. Here's hoping Cassano finds his touch again, and Ronaldo as well. With RVN, wow, what a lineup.
If you are happy to let Raul go, why not Ronaldo? His form has not been so consistent either. The remaining four should be fine. The thing about strikers is, they need to play consistently. Real need to decide who they are going to rely on, and play those two, or one, with two second strikers, with one in reserve. They can't maintain five and keep them in form. In my opinion, SAF made a HUGE mistake letting RVN leave. Until last year, RVN had a better goals-to-matches scoring record than Henry. This one is going to bite SAF you-know-where.
What can you say about SAF? He wins, but he's grouchy. I like RVN alot, but he's getting up there in age, and if they plan on keeping C.Ronaldo, RVN had to move. They just don't like each other.
By the way, C.Ronaldo was already greatly disliked by many fans in England because of the way he plays and the way he carries himself. All that nonsense about fans in England running him out of England is ####. He likes being the bad guy, you can tell when he plays.
Bobby, are they going to play Alan Smith upfront if they sign a couple of midfielders? Do you think they will give Rossi a chance or loan him out?
If they do sign a striker, they need to grab someone like Jefferson Farfan. Lots of talent, but still young and full of potential. Not too expensive. I'm not a fan of Dirk Kuyt. Let him go to Newcastle. Of course Klose would be a good signing, but after his good WC, he will be a little expensive.
Cassano, Julio Baptista and Robinho offer different options so I suspect either Raul or Ronaldo (the more likely candidate) will leave the Bernabeu. They'd be crazy to let go of Robinho, who can also play wide. Julio Baptista can play in the middle of the park. Capello has successfully worked with Cassano, who can provide excellent link-up play with the midfield (much like Raul). Raul and Ronaldo are older and more expensive than the other three -- expect to see one or both of them gone.
As for ManYoo, they might have to wait until January to make their move given Torres rejection and the more pressing priority of finding a topnotch midfielder (Diarra, Gattuso, etc.). Going in with their present strikefroce is a bit o####amble given the dodgy fitness of OGS and Alan Smith, but Saha and Rooney combined well together last year and are an excellent starting duo. If the Red Devils can make it through the Champions League group stages (which is no sure thing), they'll probably be able to woo and win another striker. If they crash out of Europe early again, expect Govan's finest to leave Old Trafford in May.
I think the strikers that Real should get rid of is Raul and Baptista. Overweight, a little older, but still a scorer, Ronaldo showed this in the WC. I think you would get the best out of him if Capello had some type of rotation with Cassano, Ronaldo, RVN, and Robinho. Raul just hasnt showed anything in such a long time, and I havent see any signs of a realistic comeback to the days of old. With the type of player he is I would only consider keeping Baptista if he only played in the midfield on the left, just doenst seem like a natural striker.
Why do people feel like its okay for Arsenal, Chelsea, Inter and others to have 6 forwards on their roster and its NOT okay for Real Madrid? Just sounds so strange. Besides, Julio Baptista is originally a midfielder converted to a striker so his playing behind the two strikers makes sense - especially now that we have Emerson. It is just that he can be used as a striker if we need him there. Cassano also can play that spot behind the two strikers or on the wing where I think he should be put with Robinho on the other side (if we are not able to get Robben). So that technically leaves us with just Ronaldo, Ruud, and Raul as true strikers - please do not tell me Robinho is a striker - anyone who has seen him play since he was a kid (he still is) at Santos knows that Robinho does his damage from the flanks - or at least straight up running at folks -why are people so obsessed with Ronaldo's weight? Its like that is all everyone thinks about when talking about him - feels so strange given nobody talks about Barry Bonds and his weight and I am yet to see folks outpacing Ronaldo once he has a 50-50 ball ahead of him - please do not tell me we need Ronaldo to be skinny like Robinho to be effective - look at how easily Raul and Robinho and even Cassano are bumped off the ball - Adriano and Ronaldo are true strikers who are difficult to push off the ball up front. No, Real Madrid only has to dump Pedro Garcia, Helguero, Pavon (he is surpus now) Raul Bravo, perhaps even Roberto Carlos and Diogo (cant see what use we have for him) - We keep Graveson to play behind Emerson - Guti
Bobby,
Thanks to you Sir for taking time to blog for us;
Klose will not be an option for Man Utd. as he will be signed by Newcastle soon, I hope, cross my fingers, pray, whatever it takes...c'mon Bobby, give us Toon Supporters some hope of a true striker/cf being signed before we have to go into the season with 'bad hipped' Ameobi, and two makeshift wingers in Luque and Milner as our strikeforce until GoldenBoy makes it back! C'mon Bobby!
Slainte'
Mike
Mike - There just doesn't seem tobe a lot of good strikers around. It amkes you wonder waht came first a lack of strikers leading to teams playing one up front or teams playing one up front leading to a lack of strikers. Has Newcastle put a bid in for Klose yet?
DvdItly – I have heard nothing more about the Van Basten – RVN benching than I heard during the WC. If I remember it rightly they had a bust up at training, Van Basten insisted RVN apologize in front of the players, he did and Van Basten still didn’t play him. Perhaps the more interesting aspect is that as far as I could see the Dutch didn’t get overly concerned and Van Basten has been retained as the national team coach.
Mr. Red Devil – The latest I heard was Alan Smith back to training around October \ November. The problem with playing Smith up front is he isn’t all that quick and he will never be a top class midfield player from what I have seen. He is probably at his best playing just behind a quick striker but that is where Rooney is at his best as well.
The Spectre of St.James', AKA Mr. Roeder says he, (paraphrasing here) is keeping an eye on him. The early word from the BBC, 2 Sundays ago, was NUFC bid 7m for him...seems low for the top goalgetter in the WC...but x-fer prices have been low all around...unless it's Mr. Ambramovich buying, not selling. Thankfully!(re; Duffer @ 5m)
Bobby maybe you, in the future, can do a tv segment on FSWR, or a blog, the movement to 4-5-1...as it appears more and more EP teams are headed this way, including Newcastle and Mr. Roeder as we did in Lillestrom with some outstanding results!
Slainte'
Mike
Well this probably makes SAF think back to when Owen was avalible, as you can guarantee that he would have chosen Man U over Newcastle. Had they had him they would be fine, although Saha isint world renound or anything, he does have talent and i like his style of play, he is capable of playing at that level.
they have also been linked with Viera but that dosent seem likley as he is rumored to be joining inter. With ruud being sold, I think they really have to use that money to get players now, they cant risk it and wait for january.
as for 6 strikers....I dont think its that odd, The reason people jump on real madrids case is because of the strikers they have. Sure arsenal has alot of strikers, but they arent all world class athletes, their only real star is Henry. Where as for Real Madrid and Chelsea, they have 3 or 4 strikers of that calibure that are just sitting there. When you have players that good, they expect to start, makes you wonder why ruud would leave man u because of playtime issues, yet want to join real madrid...
As a stark follower of Real for a while, I more than know this situation. Too many 30yr+ players is always a problem. It's great to have stars, but having stars in their prime is a different story. Letting Owen go in the first place was a mistake. R9 is almost useless...most goals are fed to him on a silver platter. RVN...again another player who will sit in the box waiting for a goal??? And a ton of attitude....mistake,mistake,mistake . Real should be trying to clean up their image and moral, instead of bringing in more garbage. They need young fresh strikers heading into their prime with veterens in the midfield...not over-the-hill strikers with young players in defense....they keep getting it backwards.....Cannarvaro great addition. RVN will just stir the pot some more....beleive me. I met all the Real team last year, here in LA at a party in a restaurant...you dont sense a team unity and I dont think RVN will help with this problem.......
Bobby, you are a bit wrong here. Van Basten had to apologize to RVN after Van indicated to the press that RVN was not good enough or similar. A clash of ego's happened and the same happened in OT.
SAF is the winner in all cases where feuds arise with players and that's the way it should be. If the manager is not upto the task, let the board fire him. What's your point in comparing SAF's playing career with RVN???
Maybe Fergie realizes that the entire system needs to go back to pre-99 days of 4-4-2 and RVN does not fit that system at all.
yeah your righ truud dosent fiit the 4-4-2, i think that if a team could properly incorporate it, ruud would work best with a 4-5-1, which i dont ever see happening at real madrid. Seems liek a pointless move by them, but oh well, more money to the glazers right.
Man U is gonna struggle without RVN and the other dramas unfolding up there. With Corinthians at the bottom of the table, and their fans assaulting his SUV this past weekend, look for Tevez to be a target, hell be an expensive one though.
So what, let Real have Ruud, I still dont see them winning the champions league or evne the spanish title.
Man. U. on the other side needs to bring another quality striker into the mix, or otherwise the premiership is going to be a distaster for United this season.
In terms of comparing SAF's playing career with RVN – I wasn’t. I was noting that SAF has always had a bristly side to him throughout his footballing career and it is not something that he has just grown into the last few years.
As a long time Bayern fan, I was never happier to read a story than this one. I was worried Ruud would end up in Muenchen and ruin a great team, as he did in Manchester. With Makaay, Poldo and Pizza, we (FCB) have enough quality strikers, no need to waste cash on RvN. Let Madrid squander their cash.
I think one thing to think about for Man Utd is when is Fergie going to bust up with Rooney.?Rooney obviously has a bit of an inflated ego based on some of the comments he has supposedly made about David Moyes in his book. Add to that Fergie's temper and it could be a future recipe for disaster...
As for RVN, he obviously thinks he should be a starter in any team in the world and so I don't think Real is the best place for him. If Capello keeps all his strikers and uses a rotation system Ruud won't be happy, and if Capello allows one or two to leave then he could face a problem in the future should anyone get injured or lose form the way Raul seems to have done. I haven't followed this whole saga very well, but wouldn't it make sense for Ruud to have joined a Champions League or UEFA Cup team that was in desperate need of a top quality first team striker? A team such as Roma, Schalke or Newcastle where he would be guananteed his high wages and a regular starting spot?
Bobby I agree with you about Smith. I wasn't sure on his timetable to come back, but I agree that he is better just behind a quick forward. I'd rather see Rossi get a chance at striker than Smith.
Also, what do you think of Jefferson Farfan? He seems a little selfish to me sometimes, but he is quick and seems to be able to create goals on his own. A good fit for Man U? Would PSV be willing to let him go just yet?
One thing your forgetting is that right now SAF needs Rooney and Ronaldo especially after the no show from forwards at the cup. I think SAF will suck it up for a while now just like with RVN when he was on top of his game he was god and now his name is dirt to SAF... funny how the wheel turns
I think you're right about RVN. It would've made sense for him to go a good club that needs him to start all the time, like Schalke. But I get the feeling that he wants to be at a glamour club, and probably fancies himself a little too much. He is probably blinded by the glamour at the moment, and doesn't see that he'll be in a rotation at Real Madrid. I still can't believe they left Michael Owen on the bench all the time, and then let him go. Unbelievable.
Last edited by MrRedDevil on July 27th at 5:24 PM.
Bobby, the biggest deficiency which Fergie has in his setup is his coaching staff and scouts. They have completely let him down (coupled with some SAF blunders) over the years.
SAF's success all through has been based on his back room staff and scouts...Aberdeen and the early ManU years as an example. SAF's too old too fight in the transfer market and yet keep an eye on prospects plus there is no Kenyon available.
It's not just the team which needs to be realigned. The whole setup needs to be revamped. Until then, we will see moments of brilliance from United...but no consistency.
Is it just me or does it seem like every ManU recap I've read so far this pre-season mentions at least one chance that Rossi should have put away?
Seems like the best option would be to loan Rossi out, get him experience finishing with the ball, and look for a proven striker. Now, the question is who is willing to play for SAF at this point?
We knew Rudd wasn't gonna stay at old trafford. Despite the SAF-RVN bust up, I think most ManU fans will respect Ruud for the goals he scored. I think he will do fine at the Bernabue because RVN is one of the best predatory strikers in the game, speed and pace come from other strikers. Saha showed he has bounced back from his injury problems with his good form at the end of last season. He may not be world class, but Rooney is and they play well together. I think at the end of the day, Real will be fine regardless of who they drop and the absence of Ruud will not overshadow the shortcomings in the ManU midfield.
stevie, rooney has a temper, but its not the same as ruud did. Rooney has a temper because he is so passionate, ruud got annoyed because he thought he was better than everyone else. I think rooney will be more like keane as he gets older than anything, although i doubt he will be as outspoken as keane was. If you notice that no team is ever linked with rooney? i dont think he is ever going to leave the club, its going to be like gerrard and anfield.
Bobby,
As the end of the transfer window looms nearer, I am getting a little worried about ManU's midfield options. Forget about Ruud, the real problem we have is the gaping hole left by keaneo. Have you been hearing any rumors? If we don't solve this problem now, we won't realistically be able to challenge Chelsea. Even if paul scholes can find his form(its good to see him get over his injury), we still have a problem in the midfield.
Manchester United will suffer from van Nistelrooij's departure. Neither Rooney, nor Saha, nor Rossi for that matter can replace him, and it is only to Man U's detriment that Van the Man is gone. As an ardent Arsenal fan, however, it's pretty good news.
Arsenal111, how much did Arsenal suffer after Paddy Viera was gone.
Players come and go, but the club moves on. RVN and Roy Keane were key to the 4-5-1 system. With Rooney and Saha, United will go back to 4-4-2 (or 4-1-3-2). Rooney will thrive on that system. Add a couple of good midfielders, and United are back in business.
It will be interesting to see what fee has been agreed between the Clubs.Bayern,two days ago,said they increased their bid to 15 million Euros but understood they were still short of UTD's asking price by some 3.4 million pounds,which by my reckoning says they bid 11.6 million pounds.Today the BBC is saying Ruud is going for 10.3 million pounds.If this so it makes UTD and Ferguson look fools;what do think Bobby?
Other teams like Barcelona, Arsenal, Inter Milan, etc. have about six strikers on there books and I hear nothing but anytime Madrid signs a striker people criticize them. I believe that Real has made an excellent move in signing RVN and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
If you are an avid Madrid fan you would know that Baptista has been converted to an attacking midfielder and has performed superbly at this position especially in the latter part of the season. Robinho also was converted to a wing forward of sorts and shined here also and with the loss of Zidane it looks certain he will be starting at this position from now on. Raul has lossed his former glory and hs been in a slump for going on three seasons now. Ronaldo is terribly inconsistent, lacks stamina and at times plays terribly lazy lacking that aggression for the ball present in strikers like Wayne Rooney.Finally Cassano is a class striker and can play as a second striker, an attacking midfielder or even a winger. Also Madrid has transfered the young star Soldado to Osasuna. So the advent of RVN is well welcomed and needed.
Also Capello is quite aware of Raul's slump and has had his assistant Galbiati working specifically with Raul to assist him in regaining his former glory (so Raul looks set on staying). If any player should or probably would be sold it would most likely be Ronaldo as the other strikers are more diverse and can contribute in other ways besides goals and because Ronaldo is the most costly player to maintain.
One thing for sure, ManU will miss RVN, no matter what the official comments are. Saha may be a temporary solution but, if history is any guide, soon now he will be injured again. It seems that "Once a year Fergie" has struck again and you wonder how long his new bosses are going to put up with him getting rid of talented players like that.
recognise, nobody is saying that madrid is making a bad signing, but rather an unnexessary one, just like chelsea often do, when they signed swp last year, is that a bad signing? no he is an amazing player, but why spend 20mil+ on someone who dosent start? which will probably be the same scenario with ruud
Just a quick pat on the back for you, Bobby, for the fine job that you do.
As for RVN leaving, Man U, the only people who should be pleased are the die hard Chelsea fans. Man U had a real shot at knocking down Chelsea a peg or two, but the loss of a world class player like my fellow Dutchman, RVN, is a real blow.
Arsenal is in a downward slide, and Liverpool and Tottenham are close, but not close enough to dethroning Chelsea.
Maybe Ferguson should leave before all the good players get fed up and leave Man U.
On a side note, Bobby, do you think Canada will ever qualify for the World Cup? It hurts every four years having to cheer for the Netherlands, my parents homeland, when I really want to see our Canadian players represent us.
Bobby or anyone. Does anyone know if tomorrow's(Friday) Chelsea training session is open to the public. FSC show them playing somewhere on the UCLA campus. Joe Cole said they're training twice a day and apparently they're signing autographs on Sunday in Santa Monica... but no details of when or exactly where. Anyone know any details?
Some of you are forgetting that RVN is 30 years old. He is a great goal scorer, but strikers tend to fall of the cliff when they get past 30. Plus, he doesn't get along with Cristiano Ronaldo, and Ronaldo ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE for now. He has a 4 year contract he just signed. So who do you keep, the young star or the aging star? RVN had to go.
I don't care what the English press says, it doesn't matter if opposing fans hate him. Ronaldo doesn't care about being disliked, as he already was by most fans of other clubs before the WC. He likes being hated, otherwise he wouldn't take off his shirt and pound his chest after every other goal he scores. Someday he will go to Madrid or Barca, but not now. RVN had to go.
Bobby, the problem is not that there aren't good strikers, teams have taken to the somewhat boring European play of one strker on top and hope he scores and then defend and defend like crazy. How else would you explain Milan's Christmas tree formation when they have all those stikers? or Chelsea? Or all those World cup teams like France or England etc. That is why I love teams like Rijkaard's Barcelona - I can not remember him starting a game with just one striker.
I think RVN will be good for Real however with all the ball hogs there he should not expect the same number of goals and if he is not careful he might turn inot an Owen - cooling his heals on the bench.
AT the same time I do not see Emerson's move that helpful - he has lost pace and it is painful to watch him lumbering in the midfield. Cannavaro on the other hand if he plays even half as well as during the Cup - is a good find. He reminded me of my all time favorite Italian player - Baresi.
When all is said and done though - Barca will be lifting their 3rd. straight cup.
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ManU can get a striker - I trust SAF will figure it out.
Bobby, the problem is not that there aren't good strikers, teams have taken to the somewhat boring European play of one strker on top and hope he scores and then defend and defend like crazy. How else would you explain Milan's Christmas tree formation when they have all those stikers? or Chelsea? Or all those World cup teams like France or England etc. That is why I love teams like Rijkaard's Barcelona - I can not remember him starting a game with just one striker.
I think RVN will be good for Real however with all the ball hogs there he should not expect the same number of goals and if he is not careful he might turn inot an Owen - cooling his heals on the bench.
AT the same time I do not see Emerson's move that helpful - he has lost pace and it is painful to watch him lumbering in the midfield. Cannavaro on the other hand if he plays even half as well as during the Cup - is a good find. He reminded me of my all time favorite Italian player - Baresi.
When all is said and done though - Barca will be lifting their 3rd. straight cup.
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ManU can get a striker - I trust SAF will figure it out.
Eseger22- Your comment about SWP's career at Chelsea is somewhat true but in any regard you cannot compare that 20 million pound deal to Madrid signing VanNistelrooy for 15 million pounds (at most).
SWP got plenty of starting opportunities at Chelsea and although he was a great player at Manchester City he failed to live up to his hype.
Anyways Madrid are in desperate need of a potent goal scorer as Barcelona and Valencia both have strikers who scored well over twenty goals last season (Eto'o & Villa respectively). If Madrid are to win the title in the coming season they need a clinical finisher who can get goals for the team. At the moment the strikers from last season did not accomplish this, hopefully with the extra training Raul is undergoing he will be able to score many more goals but in case this does not work out another goal scorer is a must.
Bobby do you know of any progress being made with Robben by Madrid? Also do you know of any other players Madrid are attempting to lure to the Bernabeau?
I'm afraid that you're facts on Shawn Wright-Phillips while at Chelsea, are completely wrong.
Go to http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player s/stats?id=5030&cc=5901
Chelsea played a total of 54 matches in all competitions last season, including the Comm. Shield. SWP started in 15 matches for Chelsea, and only 10 were in the EPL. He was a sub 24 times, and 17 were in the EPL. He only started in a little over 25% of their matches.
He hasn't got a fair shot at all. That's why his step-father, Ian Wright said that SWP could leave Chelsea this upcoming season.
Go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo tball/teams/c/chelsea/4931338.stm
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OK so if I'm not going to get an answer to my pressing Chelsea in LA question, I'm going to have to pretend that RVN is going to make a difference to the ManUfactory. Having watched the Christmas Tree Cup in Germany I'm totally convinced that it's not reputation but speed of thought beween key players is what wins games. Roszicky playing one touch football sounds with more compelling that watching Ronaldo playing "doodlebug" with himself or watching 90 minuts of Rooney whinging to the Ref, instead of speeding around the pitch. At Stamford Bridge Robben and Cole have now been "found out" by most EPL defenders. Ballack, Lampard will be irrelevant as I can reveal that Gallas, Maka and Carvalho have a secret pact not to pass to either of them but get the ball on to JT's head as part of his "England Skipper" strategy.
Now we sorted that out let's get back to the main topic.
I can't believe that Chelsea Management didn't call me first before they came to LA. As soon as I got wind of it ( I was in Vancouver this morning) I scuttled back to LA and marked out a 1/16th size pitch in my back yard and took two of my new ugly Addidas Chelsea shirts printed up with "No, I'm the midfield General" and purchased a bunch of surplus world cup 3rd place medals for the winners of the training game. Then It turned out they were on the UCLA campus. Presumably, Roman thought he'd booked the Rose Bowl, but went in too close in on "Google Earth" Either that or Roman wanted to see wht a $1.5m college basketball coach looked like.
Anyway my back yard's still available
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thanks Red. SWP is definitely short on starts and needs to get his head above the the trenches. (pun intended) Compare SWP with Crespo. Crespo plays the Italian game and plays like a world class player. Play on the edge of the offside line, get 3 or 4 chances, use great skill to convert one of them. In Italy this would create a 1-0 win. No wonder he wants to go back. SWP has not converted a single opportunity. I can't recall more than a few good crosses, even after his speed and smarts took him round/passed defenders. If he doesn't start converting on the few chances he'll get then won't make the bench and he'll be SWaPped.
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