The US team was more balanced than against the Czech Republic – particularly when they had 11 men on the park. Dempsey looked comfortable on the right and Donovan and Convey settled quickly.
It was a typical Italian start. Absorb pressure, bend but do not break and then take the first chance on offer. I thought the American defense was too high on the free kick and gave Gilardino far too much room to move into.
The momentum switched for a third time with the Zaccardo own goal. A poor piece of work from the Italian defender. Then seconds later De Rossi got a straight red card for something that you would be arrested for if you did it in public. Absolutely deserved.
My thoughts as we approached half time was that Mastroeni was going to be a key player in the 2nd half to make sure that the Italians didn’t catch the US on the break.
The red card he got was the worst decision of the day by far. Yellow yes – red, no way. A slide tackle no lunge, not over the ball – a very poor decision.
The third red card of the day saw Pope sent off. It should have been a yellow card, which meant he was going to go anyway. It certainly did not warrant a straight red.
Arena did a good job of shuffling his players and Conrad plugged a big hole at centre back. At the time, I thought it a bit odd going with a back four when you only had another four outfield players but it worked out.
Beasley’s disallowed goal I would have to say the referee got right. It looked from the TV angle as if McBride was blocking Buffon’s view.
The US players ran themselves into the ground and they achieved a glorious result.
Man of the Match – It could have been one on five or six players but I am going for Carlos Bocanegra. He won tackles; he got up and down the wing and had a thoroughly good game.
Added thought - I have tried to avoid mentioning the announcers but…….there was 20 minutes left with tension rising by the second and we heard about Lippi’s son and the Italian scandal. If you cannot convey something about the game at that stage in a game can you please just be quite? It was such an absolutely pointless piece of information.
I read your comments twice, as they were posted twice, and i thought the US brought respect back to the team that they desperatly needed after the czech game.
Arean was obviously more prepared as he should be. The people we were sitting with were caling for pope to be substituted at the half, one because hewas sitting on a ellow already, and two hi head did not appear in the game. The goal he allowed was just the most glaring mistakes in a bad game prior to getting booked. BTW i saw the yellow come out so i dont think it was a straight red.
Im surprised you didnt take BA more to task. The Italians in my view were ripe for the pickin at the 75th minute. He had his best and one of the fastest players on the bench in eddie johnson. He chooses to play with 9 for a ful 45 and has a sub to play and doesnt. I thought he blew it right there.
At the end of the day, with the goal differential that the us is saddled with, even has the us won this match they more than likely would have needed to beat ghana anyway, so to me there is little difference from an advancing point between a win and a tie in this one.
I found it interesting that today ABC showed both National anthems being played without commercial interference. That is a first time since I routinely compare the coverage of the introductions between ABC/ESPN vs Univision.
I know that early on the foul score was totally lopsided against the US ( "war " mentality) which left the referee very little choice unless the game would get out of hand and we have seen that before.
I agree but I think it's just Dave O'Brien. I think JP Delacamra and John Harkes do allright. Dave O'Brien seems to be trying too hard to give us the News which Soccer fans can easily find on the Internet.
However, I didn't even Notice Either Commentators except for Marcelo Balboa when he commented on the Horriable Calls and his reaction to the Main points of the game. I was just pacing in front of my TV set sooo Entrenched with the Game. I didn't even notice Dave O'Briens comment. I was Too into the game to notice,, Lol. I couldn't tell you half of what the commentators Said. This game was so exciting.
I'm absolutely gutted, as you would say. When Beasley's goal wen tin, I was jumping for joy. Watching the game in a bar, I missed the off-side. In retrospect, it was the correct decision, but it is still hard to take.
MOM, I'll go with Gooch instead of Carlos, but a case can be made for several players. The fact that Toni was non-existent, and Gooch saved at least one-goal puts him at the top of the heap for me, all without picking up a card that would see him out of the (now all-important) Ghana game. I think he'd look better in Gunners red than Boro.
I think Pablo got that card because he went in with two feet, and the ref was just looking to even things up. It was a reckless challenge that was a crd waiting to happen and you know refs are always looking to even things up. The ref was really poor.
I really like the balance of the team with Clint on the right. He certainly showed he is ready for the big stage. Too bad we can't seem to find space for both DeMarcus and Bobby. You think England would trade us a right winger for a left sided one?
One thing that is still bugging me, why didn't we see EJ? If only for the last 5-10 minutes to show something different? A bit more pace to chase a long ball...
I'm proud of our guys, but still bitterly disappointed.
Arena finally got his tactics right for this match. By playing the 4-5-1, he stifled the Italian midfield and Bocanegra was MOM in my opinion keeping the Azzuri at bay.
Let's hope Eddie Johnson gets the start on Thursday.
I thought DeMarcus had one good touch the entire game - the shot that went in. Otherwise he played poorly. He looks like he is too afraid of making a mistake. Playing 9 for the second half and not bringing in another sub w/ fresh legs (EJ) amazed me. Give the team as a whole an A (except Pope who should know better), and Arena a B. High enough to give him credit for the vastly improved performance and hanging tough, but a poor sub in Beasley and not using one kept us from winning this game - even down to 9 men.
I just got done watching the game. The referee was absolutely amazing, its almost like der Kaiser and Blatter (sitting in the stands) put the worst ref in the world in that game in order to stir things up for the USA! Apparently that ref has been thrown out of leagues for "inconsistency" problems. With all of the corruption surrounding Blatter and the Italians you would almost think big money was changing hands!!
Arena notting bringing on the third sub was incredible. McBride played a good game and didn't stop running, but c'mon already, why not give Eddie a run (especially as he was the only player to show up against the Czech's) - its all a bit mysterious.
Anyway, the USA team did fall on their swords, they gave it all they had, and it was nearly enough.
As for the Italians, classic display of boring footie, and dumb move by Lippi to bring on the old guy Del Piero - when they needed young and fast legs.
Great job Team USA, you really did restore some pride, against all odds.
After the show we talked to the Fox Sports Espanol folks and one of them raised an interesting possibly regarding Eddie Johnston. He speculated that the media reaction to the "war" comment might have affected him and he might not have been in the right frame of mind. You can imagine the follow up to the "war" comment if he had gone out there arnd clogged someone. It's specualtion but an interesting take on the matter. Having said that he could have also thrown Ching on for the last 10 minutes as McBride had run himself dry.
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Hey great job team USA. I am so proud of the team right now. I am an Argentinian fan but I also support the USA since i live and work here.
I thought that Dempsey and Bocanegra were great. Reyna could have been much better but anyways the collective effort was amazing, just a completely different level of performance when compared to the Czech game. Bruce Arena has done a great job.
PS: The commentators on ESPN/ABC really suck. I think JP, Tommy Smith and John Harkes are good.
The others just keep on saying "WOW" and "oh Baby".
Also there have been some games where they have tried to provide analogies to basketball and baseball(This was a game in which USA was not even involved). I think ESPN shud do more research on their viewer profile.
Call me crazy but I don't think Balboa and the other announcer were that bad. I can't stand Tommy Smith, the worst IMO. Like everyone else I don't understand why EJ didn't see any playing time. A real mystery given the way the game unfolded. As for the officiating, it hasn't been good in many of the games I've seen with far to many cards. It's going to be a tackleless cup from here on out.
Murfman---Maybe you didn't watch the other Games Dave O'Brien and Marcelo Called. This game they didn't bother me too much and I though they were allright, but as I said before I was too Excited and screaming at my TV to notice them. But I think they are Dave is improving. In the first opening game I believe he was WAY too nervous or something because he totally didn't call the game and just gave interesting but annoying Factoids. I think he's improving and maybe by the end of the tournament he'll be Allright. Dave you do have potential. And I hope you continue to progress for all of our sakes. But honestly this game wasn't as bad as the first and I didn't notice him as much.
I think Bruce was Afraid that if he put Eddie on and one of the US players got hurt then they'd be down to 8 Men. Maybe he was being too cautious BUT the team that was out there Didn't give up a Goal, and they still were taking their chances in the early 80th minutes.
One thing that bothered me was when Kasey Keller kept kicking the Ball LONG. I understand he wanted to waste time but really wouldn't passing it to one of our back player and letting them slowly move the ball up the field be a little better then just booting it to Buffon and letting the Italians constantly attack our goal.
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Saw the CR game and announcing was ok. Not great but at least they were critical of team USA and not just ra ra were the USA. Balboa ain't bad to me but certainly not as good as most announcers in EPL matches.
I think Beasley was, after Pope, the weakest of all the US players. When your're out there against tired opposition and you have the pace and skill of Beasley you just have to run at people and move if you don't have the ball move all the time so you can run into open spaces etc. He hardly did any of this stuff.
And let me tell you all something:
I'm german and I can asure you that we have much worse commentators than the ones you can hear at ESPN/ABC. Well atleast they don't do the stuff that Shepp Messing does: "WOW" "ARE YOU KIDDIN ME BABY?"
The hardest thing for me though is the way especially Messing and whats the other guy's name pronounce names of the players. But it's entertaining sometimes. ;)
I'm gonna give you an example.
Rosicky is not Rosikky but RosiTZki like in NowiTZki. I know it seems really weird but in czech they also have town names with 15 letters and one vowel. :)
PS: I apologize for all the mistake I probably made writing this.
I think Beasley was ok. Not great but much better than CR. What about Donovan? Another very quiet match for him. No big european contrcat for him after this cup I'm afraid.
Has anyone noticed that the suspensions are actually going to help the US? It'll force BA to play John O'Brien, someone who'll definitely spark their attack, which was the one place that the U.S. failed to improve upon. Eddie Pope was playing shoddy football, so him having to sit is a blessing in disguise.
I say they should stay with the 4-5-1, but for God's sake, please, PLEASE SHOOT THE STINKING BALL! When will they learn that cross-and-head football is just not effective? Hopefully, BA will see that and let LD, Dempsey, and O'Brien dismantle the Ghana defence with some runs and shooting.
Man I agree.I think Team USA is better with O'Brien in than out. Dempsey may be the revelation that BA needs. I've been skeptical of him but he proved me wrong today. I thought he played well and definately not intimidated by pace of world cup soccer. PS. does anyone know when Donovan will join the team?
Right Donovan wasn't really present eighter, better than the played against the Czecs so. Well I have to admit thats not hard. Ever since he left Leverkusen, already when he only was on loane I've always felt about him as a very talented player who just doesn't has enough punch for the big stage, I think he's a sensible guy and there's to much pressure on him for his psyche.
To Beasly. Well he didn't play bad if you compare him to the other guys on the pitch. But they all were no subs!
I'd like to see Johson and McBride up front for the US against Ghana. The backline is the weakest point of their team I think. If BA stays with his 451 what I expect he should play the pacy guy who run at people I agree with who ever said this at this point. Actually I think a 433 would be the best way to play them. A battle in the centre of the Midfiel cannot be won so they have to find ways to get around it. Fast playing over the wings would be a proper way I think.
We definately need to pressure the goalkeepers more, no direct play through the center of the park. Saying that, that's pretty difficult against the Italians.
I thought Donovan had a few good momeents, but as others have said, far too anonymous yet again over the 90, and clubs wont be lining up for him after the WC.
Comms are poor in the ESPN pool except the guys that do the CL games (Tommy Smythe ?able).
As far as using the third sub, I think Arena played that well. Get a point, get out. Why risk another player getting injured, or carded? Take the point and save the other player (in most cases people are suggesting Johnson) for the Ghanain game.
I think they were definately happy to get the point, especially when two players wee sent off. But why not EJ for McBride in say 70th minute? It's not going to hurt you defensively and the fresh legs would have been helpful. Oh well, at least a point was salvaged and there is something to play for on Thursday.
Murfman, maybe it's my wording.
Here is my take on the cards that led to reds:
Italian - Had to go, end of story.
1st US red - yellow at worst, in the EPL, that early in the game probably would have been a final warning before a yellow.
2nd US red - Ref knows the guy is already booked, free kick, dont do it again or your off...
Did I post something that said I thought they were good calls? I said on one blog that they were *technically* correct, but that doesnt mean I agree with them, or condone them.
I thought the ref was "Colin Nish" and "Pants" today... Tried to ruin the game.
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Interesting points Ibrox. To both Ibrox and Q_18: though I agree that the US has to attack about 10 times better than they did today, I don't think changing the formation will help necessarily. The US need to be able to dictate the pace, and therefore need adequate numbers in the middle third. Playing a 4-3-3 could leave them strained in the middle, and the midfielders will have to challenge for the ball hard and precisely.
Therefore, I say that they should stay with a 4-5-1 or a 4-4-2. Their problem attacking was, yet again, that no one wanted the ball. They just kept passing it until it was on the wing, and then they crossed (shudder). There were moments when it was working beautifully...and then Reyna or LD would get claustrophobic and check it out to the wing, or get inside the penalty area and try to get that last unneeded pass in. Bottom line, SHOOT THE BALL! HOW DO YOU THINK IT GETS IN THE STUPID GOAL? Sometimes being selfish, childish, and an outright jerk is what needs to happen, especially on the pitch.
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I agree with your comments and think the Ghanaians showed more tenacity and desire to attck the goal than Team USA!! It seemed like Ghana kept the ball at midfield or on the Czech side for most of that match. If the US is going to be that timid,the Ghanaians will win the next match. They're down two of their best players due to red cards,so they'll probably be fired up from the get go. Hopefully the US will be also or it will be a repeat of the Ghana-Czech game. by the way,I'm watching Univision because of the "style" employed by ESPN comms in the US and ABC is just as bad if not worse.
One reason they attack wide is because LD has been silent inthe middle of the pitch. Frankly he looks intimated at this level IMO. Maybe he should be playing wide. I hate to put all of team USA's woes at his doorstep but he has not provided any insiration in the two games played thus far IMO. Reyna just isn't the man to attack defenders with the ball. We are weak attacking through the middle because LD has been nowhere to be found.
Ghana will be dificult because Essien may really controll midfield. We may need numbers there to offset his quality.
Well I think the wing play is actually key to the US style of playing soccer right now. It just needs to be executed well. They have to go all the way through the line, get behind the defender and play the ball in. If they don't do that there's no pint in having McBride on the pitch, for pure a pure passing and 1v1 situation game Johnson would be a much better choice.
I think they need a mix of runnig at people and crossing, if you play one dimensional you'll never score a lot of goals against a good oponent.
So, I'm really disappointed by how ITALY played today. I think USA played a better game honestly. More physical than skilled but defenetely deserved the draw. I think the tension built up pre-game affected negatively the game. USA showed more determination since the beginning, pressuring ITALY in their half.
Referee:
Pope's first yellow card was correct. He stopped Gilardino irregularly. De Rossi's red card was totally deserved. As Italian I'm disgusted by his behavior. I wouldn't let him play anymore for the rest of the tournament. Pope's second yellow card was correct. He was late on Gilardino and automatic red card. Totti's yellow card was correct for foul on Depmsey from behind. Mastroeni entering on Pirlo's ankles was bad but I think he could get yellow on this.
On free kick for Italy Bocanegra almost scored autogol. He got the bar. Iaquinta got stopped for off-side which was difficult to call but it wasn't there. Beasley gol was not regular. It's offside. Even if the player doesn't touch the ball he's obstructing the goalie's visual. That's not passive off-side!! He's part of the action.
Keller made few very good saves that kept the score on 1-1.
So, i think Italy really didn't run many risks. I wouldn't say it was boring but they could
defenetely show better football, since we are capable of, unlike few of you who think the opposite. At the end of the day, next week we need a draw to go through and WE ARE THE ONES in front.
so if many of you think that USA got robbed today. well, go back and watch the match again.
I watched the game twice, but you didn't read my post though!!! Who said that Pope didn't get the second yellow card? He got it and it was automatic red.
BTW, few people brought up "match-fixing" refered to the scandal going on in Italy. Well, I'm ok talking about it, but I think it has nothing to do with the world cup and this match. Actually it's kind of arrogant and idiotic even bringing it up. I also think if you are on national tv commenting a world cup match, you should really leave your
personal feeling and nationalistic comments home!!
I have to say that the announcers are horrible and have to go, with the exception of tommy smith who is doing a good job. the rest of the announcers are ruining the games. the "ohh baby's" and mispronunciations of player's names are (barely) tolerable but the constant stream of news and facts (which any soccer fan has been hearing about for months so its not even "news") combined with an obvious lack of even a basic understanding of the game is simply unacceptable. cancer0275 noted the tendency of announcers to reference basketball and baseball in their commentary. riquelme is a playmaker, not a pointguard! sepp blatter and his brilliant idea enforcing new rules just for the world cup may be the only thing worse than abc/espn's announcers who are ruining the beautiful game.
cheers to the US and BA for their efforts today. i think it goes without saying but i never want to see this ref again.
If you watch ESPN sports highlights and hear the comms and their analysis of those other two sports,you'll see the problem. They have an American viewpoint and not a global viewpoint. Football(soccer) is a truly global game and American comms don't grasp that concept easily.
Thats the bottom line. Forget the 442 351 or 433, how do we get enough goals against Angola to take us through? Not withstanding, Angola have already beaten the tean we got gubbed by.
Bobby, did any of you guys discuss Keller's play at the end. I was thinking, "why is he taking 5, 10 seconds here and there holding the ball and then kicking it long to nobody. The last ten minutes of the match saw Keller giving the ball back to the Italians and then the USA burning the rest of the game off on defense.
I can't believe Arena did not use the last subsitiute. It is so frustrating. I was yelling at my TV pleading to put Johnson or someone else fast in the final minutes. /Shrug
Also, I agree totaly with you Robo, SHOOT THE BALL!
USA was doing great at pressure and control in the midfield. Then they always seemed to make a few passes to the edge of the box and then they would pull up a bit. You have to take chances, be extremley fast and force plays to happen.
If you guys watched the Ivory Coast vs Netherlands yesterday, and I am sure you did, Ivory Coast was just murdering the Dutch with their pace and quick one touch passing. Look how many shots they had in that game with that style vs. how many crossing headers the tried. I know they lost the game but they outplayed the Netherlands IMO.
USA is still too unsure of themselves around the box. They need more instinct and vision along with faster one touches.
Bobby, I fortunately living here in Winnipeg Canada, dont have to put up with the U.S announcers. So I did not hear those comments about the Italian Scanal and Lippi's son. Personally ESPN needs to get better announcers for the next world cup
My first emotional gut reaction during the game was like that of everyone else. The ref had a horrible game and really hurt the Americans. However, upon reflection and more objective analysis of the match he wasn't as bad as everyone says. I have the game digitally recorded and I went over every controversial moment in slow motion many times today (after I've calmed down and stopped yelling like a total nut). Here's my verdict.
1. De Rossi's red card was well deserved as that was a brutal elbow on McBride. No questions there really.
2. Mastroeni challenge looked like a yellow rather than a straight red to me, but at the time Italy was a man down and that might have influenced the ref's decision. It really could have gone either way, as according to the new FIFA regulations, a two footed slide tackle with studs showing is an automatic red. I'm not completely convinced that what Pablo did constituted that kind of a slide tackle, but I concede that it could have been interpreted that way at full speed.
3. Pope's 2nd yellow was soft, as he got mostly ball and a bit of Gilardino. Still, he was very late with his challenge and was already on a card, so he should have been more careful. I also reviewed the play on which Pope got his first yellow and I just don't see a foul there. Both players are running side by side, the Italian just flops as soon as he feels some contact and sees that he won't make it to the ball first. A soft yellow, in my opinion, but it was hard for the ref to see as he was behind the play.
4. The disallowed goal made me go completely ballistic for about a minute, but upon looking at the replay it was a correct decision. McBride was definitely offside and interfering with the play because he was screening Buffon. In fact, had he not been screening the keeper Gianluigi might have made a save on Beasley's shot.
One more point regarding Arena. I really like him as a manager, but he's made some bone-headed decisions so far in this World Cup that need to be addressed. He should have taken a lot more responsibility for playing 3 of USA's best players out of position in game 1 instead of laying all the blame on the players (Donovan, Beasley and Lewis). You don't play a midfielder at outside back in the World Cup unless you have no other choice! Lewis is a very good crosser and had a great season for Leeds, but he was playign wing all season. You can't ask him to play an unfamiliar position at this level! Beasley just didn't look like himself on his off-wing and Donovan never got the ball much at forward. I thought LD actually did well vs. the Czechs when he did get the ball, but putting him at forward is a waste of his talent. Donovan is great at running at defenders and setting up teammates with quick, clever passes.
Now to this game. I don't understand why Arena didn't sub Eddie Pope at halftime. You don't need to be a pro manager to see that he was a red card waiting to happen. He was already on a yellow and with the ref was calling the game very tight. I've read a few live game transcripts on different sites and almost all of them mentioned that Pope was playing with fire. I'm not sure why Arena didn't see what was obvious to everyone else.
It was also beyond me why Bruce didn't use the last sub to bring on Eddie Johnson for an exhausted McBride. Eddie had a good cameo vs. the Czechs and with his speed and dribbling could have posed a real problem for the tired Italian defenders. Not using your 3rd sub when your team is down to 9 men is ridiculous! Like I said I like Arena, but he really does get a free ride from the press. He has made a lot of tactical errors in the two games so far and they need to be brought to attention.
Murfman - I'm sorry, I know it's fashionable to rag on Donovan, but what game were you watching?! He was absolutely amazing in this match and did a ton of great work. He was everywhere! Coming back on DD and making great runs at Italian defenders one of which resulted in McBride's chance that he should have scored on. His passing was superb and so was his dribbling. If you have the game recorded watch it again.
I think it's incredibly unfair to say that LD didn't show up in this one when, in fact, he was the best US field player and ran his socks off.
BTW, my opinion is backed up by Arena and Italy's Andrea Pirlo who said in his comments after the game "Landon Donovan has a great game. He was everywhere today".
Also, in the first match I thought he did well when he got the ball. He just didn't get it very much because Arena played him out of position for the first half.
mas_1 - Correction. A draw is not really that great for Italy in the 3rd match because if Ghana beats the US they will have 6 points which would mean that Italy would finish 2nd and have to play Brazil in the first knockout game. Also, the Czechs can't play for a draw either because they don't know how the US - Ghana game will go. I think both teams will play for a win. I wish Italy luck as the win will put US thru as well if they beat Ghana.
I know that a win would put Italy first and that's it, not matter what others do. However, after yesterday, either Italy plays well or I'm not sure it makes even sense to go through to the next round and stress even more!! Even if we loose we might make it to the next round. In that case it would be the difference in scores that would count.
As for the game, as I already said in my previous post/analysis, it was a very physical game. I'm glad you took the time to review it and understand how really the game evolved. Too many people just draw conclusions and with prejudices post their comments. At the end of the day, what seemed to be bad decisions against USA turned out to be correct.
Only 1 thing I don't agree with you. The first yellow for Pope was correct. 1- When you are running towards the goalie at that speed, even a little push would make you loose the balance. Trust me, Gilardino would gone away with that ball. 2-
Pope was lucky then. If they were closer to the goalie it would been red card because he was last man.
For De Rossi, we all agree. I support Roma as club, and he has done this before. As much as I like him as player, he must change this behavior, because we will be paying the consequences.
Finally, one more thing. Anyone can play one bad match. Brazil, France, England, Netherland, Portugal... As long as we have the potential to do well, I can handle one bad game. But from now on it has to be perfect...
Don't agree with you on the red cards. All red cards were deserved. Did you really the the vicious tackle of Mastroeni? He hit nothing but the leg of the Italian player. It's a miracle that no bone was broken. The referee was positioned very close to the where it happened and had a perfect view. Poor judgment by the player to commit such an unnecessary and rude foul so close to half time and with no apparent danger for the US team. Lastly, any quality manager would have substituted Pope at half time. One yellow card and a bunch of fouls against him, two players sent off with straight red cards. It was only a matter of time that Ope would be ejected. Poor management by Bruce Arena!
Can you tell me why Bruce Arena did not use his last sub,,,especially Eddie Johnson. If not for anything else, to kill sometime in stoppage time.
McBride was beat literally and figureatively and Eddie upfront by himself could have been pretty interesting and given the USA more of a chance to have another chance or two at the goal against a tired Italy side
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