In the race for presidential endorsements, Mike Huckabee has the kitschy pop culture celebrity vote on lockdown.
First it was martial arts hero and "Walker, Texas Ranger" star Chuck Norris, who appears with Huckabee in his first TV ad.
Then hard-rocking hunting enthusiast Ted Nugent jumped on the Huckabee bandwagon, citing the Republican's support for second amendment rights.
Now, Huckabee is getting ready to rumble: wrestler Ric Flair, a.k.a. The Nature Boy, is supporting the former Arkansas governor in his bid for the White House.
In all honesty looking at Huckabee now and before. One has to wonder if he's not takin' too much on by getting these D list celebrities to endorse him. Weight loss notwithstanding . Isn't that his greatest claim to date ? If nothing else until you hear something substantiative come out of his mouth. What's one suppose to think ? Don't tell me if you don't vote for him he'll get either Norris or Flair to kick your as$ or Nugent to take you out with his bow and arrow. Or just shoot you straight between the eyes.
14Falcons
Not one of the candidates on either side of the aisle impress me one bit. They're all spinning a tale at the moment as to things that they want us all to hear. And as for the real issues facing this country they've got no ideas as to what they really are. Experience and wherewithall counts for a lot. But all I've heard is a bunch of hot air so far. And that's the way it becomes at this time of the political season.
Candidates engratiate themselves with the public without ever really ever saying that matters.
You and I both know that but many of us are blinded by loyalty along partisan lines and just go along for the ride.
Apathy if nothing else is a boon for the electorate.
Huckabee is fighting Giuliani as the worst Presidential candidate out there.
The guy's views are so against reality and the common good.
He's anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion, anti-gun control, pro-death penalty, pro-creationism, pro-War in Iraq, pro-troop surge, and pro-Guantanamo Bay detention center.
And you're telling me I should vote for this guy because he got a few D-list celebrities to endorse him?
Chuck Norris may be able to kick the #### out of you with his pinky, but he doesn't use his brain for anything except knowing where to get to the studio for his Mountain Dew commercial.
Ted Nugent hasn't been relevant in a long time, maybe the early '90's at the latest.
And, well, you just expect fans of Ric Flair to be back woods, flag-waving Republicans.
Falcs...I agree on the pro-life stand. Not many candidates are really willing to make a stand. (we actually agree on something?)
I think I saw this guy on O'Reilly's The Factor show recently. While I may not agree that everything he stands for is good for the ENTIRE country, it's refreshing that he makes his stands known rather than flip-flop his way through the next two months like most of the other candidates. Nice job here! :)
I don't expect us to favor the same candidate. I posted this here because of the sports tie-ins. I am willing to discuss a little politics with you. But I have no intention of turning this into a thread where people are bashing people.
I am for Mike because he is the best pro-life candidate in my opinion. I may be wrong on that even. The National Right to Life group disagrees with me. They endorsed Fred Thompson.
I can agree that Guliani may be the worst Republican candidate, because he is too moderate for me. However, he beats any of the Democrats in my book.
Huck's views are real and best for the common good in my opinion. They just aren't your reality.
I simply believe a Christian based church and family oriented system leads to the common good and you believe something else.
I believe the homosexual lifestyle is wrong but had two homosexuals over to my house for a pre-Thanksgiving feast on Wednesday the 14th because my friends parents wouldn't let him bring his boyfriend to their house for Thanksgiving.
I personally am not against some gun control. However, I think it is a damn shame Sean Taylor did not have a gun next to his bed instead of a machete. And the irony is he was probably obeying a restriction placed on him having a gun resulting from his previous charges for brandishing a gun while confronting persons that probably did have stolen atv's of his. I strongly support Castle Laws and am glad to see them increasing in number.
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However, I do not see a need for any automatic weapons. I don't know anybody that hunts with those or needs them for self defense.
I am against the death penalty, mostly because it is too costly too enforce, but also because it lets me be consistent in my pro-life stance.
I definitely believe that it takes less faith to believe in Intelligent Design than the huge leaps of faith that are required to believe in Darwinism, which actually is simply a religion for atheists.
I think we have to do the best we can with Iraq. we can't simply leave. I prefer bringing the 75,000 troops home from Germany, where they are not needed, before we worry about bringing any home from Iraq, where they are needed.
Guantanomo is sticky isn't it. While we needed it in my opinion, I am not sure we have handled that situation very well at all.
Chuck, Ted and Ric are definitely B-listers. But that's partly why I posted this. This is an entertainment site after all.
My message is this, if you are a conservative evangelical, vote for Mike. He is your candidate. Or if you are a huge fan of any of these B-listers, you might want to vote for Mike. However, the real reasons for these three to be involved in Mike's campaign are; Chuck helped make a great commercial, Ted is big on defending the second ammendment as the right to own guns, and Ric is big in South Carolina where Mike is attempting to pull off a huge upset.
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Now, I know you and I are not going to agree. But tell me who you are for and why. I suspect you are for a Democrat. Who is your candidate? Tell me something your positive about instead of always being so negative.
14Falcons
As I'm not yet entitled to vote within this fair country. And the fact that I've not attained citizenship or renounced my British citizenry. Even if I had a vote I still wouldn't vote for any of 'em out there. It's like I've said many of 'em are just saying the things they think they want the electorate to hear. And at the same time not many of 'em have one idea or original thought on a thing.
They're all just engratiating themselves with the pundits and electorate.
However, he beats any of the Democrats in my book.
Anyone with a D or an R next to their name is a horrible candidate, at least in this election. It's simply scum. What's sad is that Ron Paul is probably the best bet for the Republicans, and he's nuts.
I simply believe a Christian based church and family oriented system leads to the common good and you believe something else.
I'd just like to point out that this is the exact opposite of what our founding fathers intended.
I believe the homosexual lifestyle is wrong but had two homosexuals over to my house for a pre-Thanksgiving feast
Thank you for being open-minded and tolerant.
And the irony is he was probably obeying a restriction placed on him having a gun resulting from his previous charges for brandishing a gun
This is twisted logic. If guns hadn't been around in the first place, Taylor never would have died!
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I definitely believe that it takes less faith to believe in Intelligent Design than the huge leaps of faith that are required to believe in Darwinism, which actually is simply a religion for atheists.
First of all, faith is belief in the absence of facts. So, God-belief entirely hinges on faith. There are plenty of facts supporting evolution, so it takes no faith to believe in it.
Secondly, God-belief and evolution aren't condtradictory. You can believe both. I'm not saying you're wrong if you don't, I'm just pointing that out as a possibility.
we can't simply leave.
I agree. A gradual withdrawal, not an immediate withdrawal, is what is needed.
While we needed it in my opinion, I am not sure we have handled that situation very well at all.
Try completely botching it. Isn't it sad that we harshly criticized the Japanese for water-boarding during World War II, and now we turn around and are trying to legalize it as a viable method of interrogation?
If you actually read the Second Amendment directly from the Constitution, you'll find out that it actually doesn't give us the right to bear arms -- you know, to have with us for protection either in our pockets, cars, houses, what have you, or to use for hunting. The Second Amendment simply gives us the right to bear arms for a militia, and a militia is a group of citizens banded together to overthrow a government.
The Second Amendment gives us the right to use guns if we're overthrowing our government. Actually, that doesn't sound too bad right about now.
I, once again, will be sitting on my couch on Election Day, not wasting my time voting for this batch of worthless Presidential candidates. I suspect the 4 -- maybe 8 -- years after Bush leaves are going to be just as arduous to get through.
I thought Ron was a L. He has a nutty group following him but I don't know if he is nuts or not. I like the fact that he is a pro-life ob-gyn that never saw a case where an abortion had to be performed to save a mother's life.
I think the founding fathers intended the church and family to be the basic structure for the country and that aside from that a government was needed to take care of things that only a government could, such as provide a military.
Your welcome. I like that you used the word tolerant correctly. Tolerance is treating people with respect even if you disagree with them on personal views. It is not being forced to agree with something you choose not to agree with. Therefore, tolerance can not be forced.
I don't think my gun logic is twisted because I do not believe society will ever be able to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Therefore law respecting citizens may need them for self defense.
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Faith is believing in something that you have enough evidence in and facts backing it to believe it is true. I believe the evidence and facts point toward Intelligent Design. While microevolution is scientific fact (changes within species) macro evolution certainly is not. There is virtually no scientific evidence indicating changes from one species to another.
Admittedly, we have to find a palatable way out of Iraq. We are hamstrung everywhere else until we do.
I do not understand the waterboarding issue. I hope the Repuclican stand represents one of not wanting to go down a slippery slope interrogation method by method and not a defense for waterboarding.
You may be right on the second ammendment, but I can't fathom that the fathers could have imagined a day when there right to own a gun of their choice might be questioned.
As I said to top, thanks for letting me cast your vote for Mike.
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14Falcons
It's been 14 years and counting and it's not been all that great in that time. I've endured a divorce and the loss of several loved one's in that time. As of that time I've not really thought of renouncing my citizenship.
And as I've said at this time I've not been impressed with any of the candidates on either side of the political aisle.
And I've got no affinity with either party.
They're as much blow hards as the political pundits that's supposedly telling us who's the best candidate out there.
Besides none of them have no orginal ideas with the regard to the outside world.
As of this moment in time it's all xenophobic riddle angst coming out with regard to issues that have no validity or merit to it.
14 you should see the hornets nest that erupted on PackerFanGirl's blog when she brought up politics.
All I did was comment on a political reference and the aftermath got way out of hand.
You should visit her page (it made it to most interesting blog today) before posting political stuff here. Even the most civil discussions end up with name calling. (not on my part)
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Faith is believing in something that you have enough evidence in and facts backing it to believe it is true.
From the dictionary: "belief that is not based on proof."
I believe the evidence and facts point toward Intelligent Design.
There are no facts and evidence that favor I.D.
There is virtually no scientific evidence indicating changes from one species to another.
If you mean macro-evolution in the sense that a #### turned into a human in one fell swoop, then no, and I don't think that's what any proponents of evolution are claiming. It's a gradual process.
Since I brought it up, I'd just like to dispel the popular notion that evolution says that we evolved from####. We didn't, we just share a common ancestor.
Oh yeah, just realized I never refuted your claim that the founding fathers were pro-religion.
Thomas Jefferson: Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson: Question with boldness even the existence o####od; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Paine: All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Thomas Paine: [The Word of God] is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
There are plenty more quotes from our founding fathers expressing anti-religious sentiment (and most of them believed in God, but not a Christian one).
I posted this because the B list of sports related fugures is certainly an interesting one. Mainly I was thinking of manrub and his interest in wrestling.
Of course I knew a little political discussion might break out too and that is O.K.,. But I do not intend for this thread to turn into a hornet's nest. I have been involved in those and they really aren't that much fun. Towards that end I plan to respond to each person fairly and a few times if the discussion goes on some. However, I do not intend to belabor any points.
You skipped to the second definition to try to make your point. The first definition is the most commonly acepted one and that definition, from your source, is "confidence or trust in a person or thing"
There is more evidence for a designer than evolution from a cosmic soup in my opinion. We witness irreducibly complex systems that could not have evolved. The human eye is a commonly used example since it is one Darwin had no real explanation for himself. The language of DNA is not something that could have just evolved. The odds of the earth being in the correct place in the galaxy for human life to survive and the only such place is 1 x 10 to the -26th which is zero and indicates intelligent design.
Darwin thought that the missing links in evolution would be found after him. But they haven't. I think he would have given up himself by now if he were still here. He stated that if these links did not show up that his theory would have to be abandoned and it is passed time to do so.
14Falcons - interesting report. But I can tell you from experience that Chuck Norris hasn't been able to kick anyone's butt for years. He's got doubles to do that for him. And somehow I think that is an appropriate person to endorse Huckabee who seems to stand for what I consider low-priority issues but says nothing about how we should end the war in Iraq, stop the oil companies from bleeding us dry and focus on improving the lives of Americans. Haven't 8 years of voting for "anti-####, anti-abortion" candidates taught you anything? It's all a smoke screen for ripping off the American people. Chuck Norris, you're wanted on the Republican set!
Jefferson was chief among eighteenth - centry secularists. Some of his statements are often in line with today's humanist views and people agreeing with those beliefs often quote them. However, he was a far cry from todays secularists. For example he wrote; "Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion."
Probably the most honored Founding Fathers is George Washington. Washington, a lifetime Anglican, wrote, "It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being."
The second most honored Founding Father may be Benjamin Franklin. Franklin wrote, "Here is my creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by His Providence."
You and I could go on and on but I choose to end my comments to you on this thread at this point in order to not go on and on about these topics at this time. I look forward to another friendly discussion with you on these topics on another thread at another time. Carry on my friend with differing views.
1hip? What happened to the other one? Did you break it?
I am not a huge Chuck fan. I did think it was cool when I lived in Shreveport, Louisiana and they filmed an episode of Walker close by.
In my opinion Huckabee stands for the main issue. The abortion issues stand heads above all others. Our blindness to abortion, the holocaust of our time, is very sad in my opinion.
Any presidential candidate is wise not to say "how he would end the war in Iraq". It could be very detrimental to our efforts for one thing. I believe he has made it very clear that he supports the current efforts and would work to come to a peaceful long term solution.
Actually, Huck has said we are being bled dry by mid-east oil and I am convinced he would probably try to do more than other Republican to invest in American oil while looking for long term alternatives. Personally, I believe there is plenty of oil and am happy to use up all of it that is in the mid east first while it is cheap saving American oil for later.
I am very thankful for the U.S. Supreme Court judges appointed under Busch and believe that will be his longest living legacy. I am proud that he fought terrorism abroad because he felt it necessary and support him in that effort. I am also very proud that he vetoed unnecessary unethical stem cell research bills twice.
So, who are you for and why? Can you be positive instead of negative?
The human eye is a commonly used example since it is one Darwin had no real explanation for himself.
Just because Darwin couldn't explain it doesn't mean that A) it is unexplainable and B) that God did it. Plugging in the unknown with "God did it" is unscientific and anti-progress.
Richard Dawkins explained the evolution of the human eye fairly well in his book "The Blind Watchmaker."
Phillip Klebba shows the absurdity of irreducible complexity:
Hence, irreducible complexity is more appropriately called “human ignorance,” which has retarded the progress of this particular scientific field for over a hundred years.
No biologist or biochemist argues we understand all the mechanisms of nature.
Clearly we don’t.
However, we need not look to intelligent design for the explanation of these puzzles, but rather await the stepwise progress of human technology and knowledge.
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The language of DNA is not something that could have just evolved.
Why not?
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The odds of the earth being in the correct place in the galaxy for human life to survive and the only such place is 1 x 10 to the -26th which is zero and indicates intelligent design.
No. You're playing Monday morning quarterback with this. By the way, 1x10 to the -26th isn't zero. It's a small number, but when you compare it to the billions of planets in the universe, one is bound to pop up, and guess what? We're one of them. We have to be -- we're alive and thinking about it.
Darwin thought that the missing links in evolution would be found after him. But they haven't.
Again, A) that doesn't mean we'll never find the missing links (we've found a good amount, though) and B) that doesn't mean that God did it.
However, he was a far cry from todays secularists.
Don't confuse secularism with belief in God. You can have the staunchest belief in God and still believe that church and state need to be separated.
Jefferson believed in God, but not the Christian one. He was a deist.
Your quotes just show that these people believed in God (Washington and Franklin were also deists, not Christians), not in the mixing of church and state.
I am proud that he fought terrorism abroad because he felt it necessary
Depends on how you look at it. If you think he was 100% ignorant of the 9/11 attacks, then his invasion of Afghanistan was warranted (though completely botched). However, he got about 40 different intelligence reports well before 9/11 warning him of terrorist attakcks on the twin towers, the Pentagon, and the White House via airplanes, and he completely ignored them.
Osama bin Laden warned him multiple times to remove the troops from the Saudi Arabia military base and to stop supporting Israel, and Bush ignored him each time.
The Bush administration is the best thing that could have happened to the terrorists. They couldn't have scripted the Bush presidency any better.
My question is this: Doesn't Ric Flair's wrestling persona go against everything that Huckabee stands for? I realize that Flair isn't really a bad guy, that his real-life beliefs probably don't synch up with those of his "dirtiest player in the game" persona that he using in wrestling. However, many a voter will fail to make that distinction. Then again, many a voter also doesn't know a thing about wrestling, and has no idea what kind of character the Nature Boy really is.
America will never elect a mormon, Ed. Romney couldn't carry the south, key to a GOP win.
Besides, he looks very John Kerry during the debates. FLip/Flop, Flip/Flop
He is the GOP candidate most like Hillary in that he never gives a straight answer.
Ron Paul has the most conservative views, yet is looked at like the Kucinich of the GOP.
Tancredo is NOT ready for prime time, McCain is too big an ####.
Fred looks like he's going to fall over and die at any moment.
WHAT A MESS.
Duncan Hunter is the best GOP candidate, yet gets NO press. Huckabee could be the only one to bring over moderate Dems and win the general election, but is ignored.
I find it ironic that the likely GOP candidate will be a cross dressing, pro-choice adulterer.
Now, let's see, hmmm, why would you be for Romney?
:)
My neighbors down the street are big supporters of his too as was one of my best friends. I got his T-shirts, heard him speak at his stage and got a good pic of him getting on his bus at the straw pole.
Hey, glad you dropped by, thought this subject might drag you in.
Mike is an enigma isn't he? Mike's on personna seems to go against everything he stands for at times. My favorite was Sam Brownback but Mike stole his thunder at the straw pole so most of us Brownbackers have switched over to Mike since he is cut from similar cloth.
But Mike leads his own rock band. I heard him belting out Proud Mary at the straw pole. Proud Mary? Excuse me but isn't that song about marijuana? And the Baptist minister belts it out?
So Chuck, Ted and Ric make an interesting group in the wings.
Like I said, Chuck made a great commercial. I don't know how that came about.
Ted endorsed Mike and Mike accepted it. Ted and Mike are both against gun control so they have that in common. I think Mike's take is it will take a coalition to win. So if someone supports him, he will wisely take it.
The Flair connection is more politics related. Flair is big in politics in the Republican Party in South Carolina. Hence, Flair and Huckabee paraded around together at the Clemson - USC game recently.
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Wow! You don't mind saying what you think do you? However, I think you have a valid point. Christians are more comfortable with Christians. And I think that is why you see Huckabee gaining.
Did you see Romney almost get booed by the pretty much Republican audience at the debate last night regarding his position switch on "don't ask don't tell?"
Paul = Kucinich. Good call. Scary people.
Tancredo is the candidate most relying on fear and #### votes. Weird loooking crowd. But I would party with them. You would know you were going to hear Free Bird sooner of later. LOL.
Fred is a typical Tennessean. Tennessee was the last state to secede from the Union and the first to rejoin. Uhh, we are surrounded by states that have seceded, we better secede. Damn, we got our butt kicked, we better rejoin. Uh, I am surrounded by people running for president, people want me to run too, so I guess I'll run.
I heard Duncan at the straw poll make his main speach and he was pretty impressive. It's just a House Rep from California is not going to get elected. He should probably drop out, unless, hmm, think he is positioning himself for a VP bid?
I can't support Guliani at this juncture. In fact, I will strongly consider voting for a third conservative candidate should one run as an independent to make that point to the Republican party if Guliani gets the nod. Yes, I might risk Hillary winning. I could then hope to turn her out in four years and replace her with a strong pro-life Republican.
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