This is Torry Holt's first Rams training camp without Marhsall Faulk in eight seasons with the team. "We miss him now," Holt said Sunday. "But we really won't know how much until we go through camp and get into the season. Marshall was so intelligent. He passed on so much knowledge to the other backs, on how to set up a defender, how to run a certain play. As a player, he played hurt. He was a such great back."

Faulk, the league's MVP in 2000, is now dealing with the possibility of retirement. "I can't imagine how tough that is," Holt said.

The Rams have placed Faulk on the PUP (physically unable to play) list and believe he will start the season on the reserve PUP. They recently also reduced his base salary from $2 million to $1 million for this season, meaning they don't believe Faulk will be playing this year.

Giant expectations

LaVar Arrington made some tabloid headlines his first day in training camp, defending his play with the Washington Redskins, but the best news out of Giants training camp was Tiki Barber talking Super Bowl or bust. Barber believes the Giants have all the pieces in place to make a serious run. He said he also settled things with coach Tom Coughlin quickly after he had criticized his play-calling in the 23-0 playoff loss to Carolina.

"Tom and I settled it the next day," Barber said. "I criticized everyone, not just him. Afterwards, I asked him, 'Tom, do you think I don't have the same ideals, the same beliefs, the same direction that you have?' He said we did. I said, 'Well, we don't have a problem. There's no argument. We're seeing exactly the same thing.

"I know he's getting old as a coach and I'm getting old as a player (31). He doesn't have a Super Bowl ring and I don't have one either. That's why I want to win it now."